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12th Feb '16 12:35:21 AM Inediblecake
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* You lose the ability to read enemy stats or find hidden items after beating ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'' because the character responsible for granting you that power leaves permanently for plot reasons. You'll have to find a robotic replacement in order to regain that power.
8th Feb '16 7:31:05 PM dotchan
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* ''VideoGame/MetroidOtherM'' decides to justify Samus' use (or lack of use) or her suit functions as her deferring to the orders of her former C.O. Adam Malkovich. Fans, particularly Western ones, thought this justification very thin from the get go, as they didn't think Samus should've been under orders from ''anyone'', and definitely not when obeying Adam's orders became actively detrimental to her survival. Eventually, Samus ''does'' ignore Adam's orders and self-authorizes suit functions, but to most fans, it was too little, too late.
5th Jan '16 3:22:47 PM ReyKenobi
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* A mild, but ''quite'' clever example comes in the DS remakes of the ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia'' games. So in ''Shadow Dragon'', you have to sacrifice one of your units to disguise as Marth and distract powerful enemies come to kill him. This unit is removed from gameplay the same way anyone who dies normally does; and it's stated that the unit died at the end of the chapter, so everyone figured that they were KilledOffForReal. WordOfGod has confirmed the fan theory that indeed, Frey is the canonical sacrifice due to his blue hair (making him mistakable for Marth at a distance), and how he was not in the original or even in the remake if one starts at Hard Mode. When the player gets the Aum staff much ''much'' later in the game, a lot of peoples' instinct was to use it to revive Frey, because he is the one unavoidable death in ''Shadow Dragon''. Except that you can't, for some reason. Yet the remake of ''Fire Emblem III'' on the DS shows Frey alive and well. And his dialogue with the player character states that he was indeed the sacrifice, but upon finding out that they were duped, his captors didn't kill him, they just beat him up and left him for dead and he was later rescued. So in actuality; you couldn't use the Aum staff to revive Frey, because Frey never actually ''died'' in the first place!
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* A mild, but ''quite'' clever example comes in the DS remakes of the ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia'' games. So in ''Shadow Dragon'', you have to sacrifice one of your units to disguise as Marth and distract powerful enemies who have come to kill him. This unit is removed from gameplay the same way anyone who dies normally does; and it's stated that the unit died at the end of the chapter, so everyone figured that they were KilledOffForReal. WordOfGod has confirmed the fan theory that indeed, Frey is the canonical sacrifice due to his blue hair (making him mistakable for Marth at a distance), and how he was not in the original or even in the remake if one starts at Hard Mode. When the player gets the Aum staff much ''much'' later in the game, a lot of peoples' instinct was to use it to revive Frey, because he is the one unavoidable death in ''Shadow Dragon''. Except that you can't, for some reason.reason, despite that other units who died during the prologue can be resurrected. Yet the remake of ''Fire Emblem III'' on the DS shows Frey alive and well. And his dialogue with the player character states that he was indeed the sacrifice, but upon finding out that they were duped, his captors didn't kill him, they just beat him up and left him for dead and he was later rescued. So in actuality; you couldn't use the Aum staff to revive Frey, because Frey never actually ''died'' in the first place!place! For an added bonus in integration, it still mentions that Frey is dead in the credits (if the prologue was not skipped) but in actuality, it's just ''assumed'' he's dead because he hadn't been found yet. ** Crossing over with [[DevelopersForesight foresight from the developers]], the Aum staff is an important plot point. Only a princess is capable of using it. You actually get several princesses in your party over the course of the story, and if they are reclassed into a class that can use staves, they are able to use it. Even Minerva. ** Nyna is an NPC in the first game, and in Mystery (and New Mystery), is PromotedToPlayable within the final chapter. When you actually ''do'' get her, her stats and growths are abysmal. Actually, this makes perfect sense - For one, she is the [[LastOfHisKind last member of her royal family]], (Ergo, you would ''not'' want her on the battlefield) and in ''Shadow Dragon'', relied on Marth, Hardin, Minerva, and their allies to do the fighting for her - naturally, she's no fighter. It also fits that her stats are so terrible in a somewhat [[TheWoobie Woobieish]] way for her character - her entire character is [[NiceJobBreakingItHero things going wrong for her and her attempts to make things better only makes things worse]] - so naturally, putting her into battle is just going to make things worse as she'll get killed. [[TheWoobie Ouch.]]
2nd Jan '16 11:54:41 AM nombretomado
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* In ''SonicAdventure,'' [[PetInterface Chao]] who are properly cared for are granted ResurrectiveImmortality and come back to life as babies at the end of their life cycle, out of sheer love for their owner. This crops up in the game itself when we see that [[spoiler: Chaos' Chao friends have been successfully resurrecting through the years since Chaos was sealed--and when Sonic returns him to his normal form, they finally get to play with their favorite caretaker again]].
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* In ''SonicAdventure,'' ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure,'' [[PetInterface Chao]] who are properly cared for are granted ResurrectiveImmortality and come back to life as babies at the end of their life cycle, out of sheer love for their owner. This crops up in the game itself when we see that [[spoiler: Chaos' Chao friends have been successfully resurrecting through the years since Chaos was sealed--and when Sonic returns him to his normal form, they finally get to play with their favorite caretaker again]].
20th Dec '15 5:58:26 AM followerofcake
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** Kratos loves to spam healing and support spells on Lloyd the most--and this isn't an issue of him being the tank; even if Colette is in melee range, he'll use it on Lloyd first. [[spoiler:Because it's actually an act of a father-looking out for his son]]. Meanwhile (though only tangentially related to gameplay) when Colette loses her voice for plot reasons, she stops [[CallingYourAttacks Calling Her Attacks]] in battle and the victory quotes for her aren't shown.
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** Kratos loves to spam healing and support spells on Lloyd the most--and this isn't an issue of him being the tank; even if Colette is in melee range, he'll use it on Lloyd first. [[spoiler:Because it's actually an act of a father-looking father looking out for his son]]. Meanwhile (though only tangentially related to gameplay) when Colette loses her voice for plot reasons, she stops [[CallingYourAttacks Calling Her Attacks]] in battle and the victory quotes for her aren't shown.

* ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'' has both Groudon and Kyogre changing the weather. For Alpha Sapphire, the heavy rainfall in a way changes it to nighttime(if you played it in the daytime) with heavy rain, while Omega Ruby's drought changes it to daytime(if you played at night), with the sky burning. The effect of both weather carries on in the overworld and battles until you defeat or catch either legendary.
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* ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'' has both Groudon and Kyogre changing the weather. For Alpha Sapphire, the heavy rainfall in a way changes it to nighttime(if nighttime (if you played it in the daytime) with heavy rain, while Omega Ruby's drought changes it to daytime(if daytime (if you played at night), with the sky burning. The effect of both weather carries on in the overworld and battles until you defeat or catch either legendary.
6th Dec '15 3:46:18 PM Nohbody
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* ''Franchise/BioShock'':
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29th Nov '15 2:07:38 PM JMQwilleran
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* In ''VideoGame/AtelierEschaAndLogyAlchemistsOfTheDuskSky'', it doesn't matter if you finish every task on your worksheet with over a month to spare: when you play as Escha, everyone will get on your case for your "irresponsible" behaviour. Such as taking a break. Or ''thinking'' about taking a break. It's kinda TruthInTelevision, though in that it's less that she takes a break, and more that she takes a break while she's ON THE CLOCK. Anyone who's worked retail can tell the difference. On the flip-side, Logy describes the cauldron process Escha uses for synthesizing items as inefficient compared to the methods in Central City. And, indeed, whereas it can take days to synthesize items using the cauldron, weapons or armor imbued by Logy always take only a day to complete, no matter how good they are. And the disassembler works immediately.
15th Nov '15 9:35:33 AM AnotherGamer
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** In a similar instance to the above, the rematch against [[spoiler:Black Waltz Number 3]] has similar stakes; they are tasked with returning Dagger to Brahne, and if they succeed in killing the rest of the party, instead of attacking, it will start hitting ''itself'' due to a combination of its mission (the only foe left is the one they're supposed to bring back alive) and some rather severe malfunctioning, by virtue of having their ass handed to them earlier. It's possible to win the fight by just letting your other members get killed, then wail on it with Dagger until it kills itself.
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** In a similar instance to the above, the rematch against [[spoiler:Black Waltz Number 3]] has similar stakes; they are tasked with returning Dagger to Brahne, and if they succeed in killing the rest of the party, instead of attacking, it will start hitting ''itself'' due to a combination of its mission (the only foe left is the one they're supposed to bring back alive) and some rather severe malfunctioning, by virtue of having their ass handed to them earlier. It's possible to win the fight by just letting your other members get killed, then wail on it with Dagger until it kills itself. This also doubles as a convenient [[AntiFrustrationFeatures anti-frustration feature]], since there's a lenghty several minute cutscene between the last savepoint and this bossfight which you'd have to watch every time you lost this fight, if it were possible.
14th Nov '15 10:54:22 AM Igaram
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** There is an option in-game to switch to first-person camera mode for any character you're controlling. For characters like the Exile, Handmaiden and Bao-Dur, this is just a basic camera swap. When you use it while playing as sightless characters Kreia or Visas, however, the camera becomes misty and blurred and people are signified by red or blue auras since both characters rely on The Force to "see."
18th Oct '15 9:09:43 AM Anddrix
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* In ''VideoGame/MarvelUltimateAlliance'', the player can avert the SadisticChoice at the end of the "[[FireAndBrimstoneHell Mephisto's Realm]]" level--which forces the player to choose whether to rescue Jean Grey or Nightcrawler--by selecting SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} for the main party. Because of his magnetic powers, Magneto can manipulate the metal in the cage that Mephisto keeps Jean and Kurt imprisoned in, allowing him to rescue both of them. If the player ''doesn't'' select Magneto for that level, the epilogue reveals that [[spoiler: [[MortonsFork either choice will ultimately result in]] [[DownerEnding the X-Men disbanding permanently]] [[note]] Failing to save Jean will lead to her coming back as the Dark Phoenix and slaughtering the whole team; failing to save Kurt will lead to his mother, Mystique, murdering Professor Xavier in retaliation.[[/note]]]].
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* In ''VideoGame/MarvelUltimateAlliance'', the player can avert the SadisticChoice at the end of the "[[FireAndBrimstoneHell Mephisto's Realm]]" level--which forces the player to choose whether to rescue Jean Grey or Nightcrawler--by selecting SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} ComicBook/{{Magneto}} for the main party. Because of his magnetic powers, Magneto can manipulate the metal in the cage that Mephisto keeps Jean and Kurt imprisoned in, allowing him to rescue both of them. If the player ''doesn't'' select Magneto for that level, the epilogue reveals that [[spoiler: [[MortonsFork either choice will ultimately result in]] [[DownerEnding the X-Men disbanding permanently]] [[note]] Failing to save Jean will lead to her coming back as the Dark Phoenix and slaughtering the whole team; failing to save Kurt will lead to his mother, Mystique, murdering Professor Xavier in retaliation.[[/note]]]].
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