History Main / SlidingScaleOfAlternateHistoryPlausibility

11th Jan '17 6:04:25 PM nombretomado
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* Thande's ''LookToTheWest'' (though there is something of a background artistic 'theme' which sometimes leads it to dip into Type II).

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* Thande's ''LookToTheWest'' ''Literature/LookToTheWest'' (though there is something of a background artistic 'theme' which sometimes leads it to dip into Type II).
11th Jan '17 3:42:45 PM Morgenthaler
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%%* Jared's ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes an expansionist slaveocracy. Most of the world adopts the "PoD, events follow" approach, although there is a steered approach to the U.S. in this timeline("Draka, done right"). Arguably some Type II elements such as the appearance of historical figures like Edmund Schulthess being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 PoD.

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%%* Jared's ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes an expansionist slaveocracy. Most of the world adopts the "PoD, "[=PoD=], events follow" approach, although there is a steered approach to the U.S. in this timeline("Draka, done right"). Arguably some Type II elements such as the appearance of historical figures like Edmund Schulthess being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 PoD.[=PoD=].



%%* Jared's ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes a hyper-expansionist slaveocracy. There is a somewhat loose overall direction to the timeline outside of the Americas, but this is decidedly secondary to the heavily steered approach that he took with the U.S. in this timeline ("Draka, done right"). A Type II overall due to some far-fetched elements, such as the (possible) successful continued occupation of Peru, Bolivia, and Chile as of 1950, by WordOfGod. Figures like Edmund Schulthess and the Chevrolet brothers being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 PoD, may be considered two examples of Type III elements, as is the occupation of the three above-mentioned South American countries as of 1950, but the survival of slavery in the *1950's* is definitely at least this, and may possibly even count as a Type IV.

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%%* Jared's ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes a hyper-expansionist slaveocracy. There is a somewhat loose overall direction to the timeline outside of the Americas, but this is decidedly secondary to the heavily steered approach that he took with the U.S. in this timeline ("Draka, done right"). A Type II overall due to some far-fetched elements, such as the (possible) successful continued occupation of Peru, Bolivia, and Chile as of 1950, by WordOfGod. Figures like Edmund Schulthess and the Chevrolet brothers being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 PoD, [=PoD=], may be considered two examples of Type III elements, as is the occupation of the three above-mentioned South American countries as of 1950, but the survival of slavery in the *1950's* is definitely at least this, and may possibly even count as a Type IV.



* The entire Literature/SixteenThirtyTwo series is touched off by AlienSpaceBats transporting a West Virginia mining town in the year 2000 to central Germany in the 17th century. After the PoD, though, there's no other intervention and the entire series becomes rock-hard Type I, with a very realistic analysis of the effects of future technology and culture on this era, backed up with obsessive research into both the historical background of the time, and the resources such a town would be likely to have.

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* The entire Literature/SixteenThirtyTwo series is touched off by AlienSpaceBats transporting a West Virginia mining town in the year 2000 to central Germany in the 17th century. After the PoD, [=PoD=], though, there's no other intervention and the entire series becomes rock-hard Type I, with a very realistic analysis of the effects of future technology and culture on this era, backed up with obsessive research into both the historical background of the time, and the resources such a town would be likely to have.



* TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}} seems to be this. Its PoD is in 2011 (if I remember correctly), where something called [[TheMagicComesBack 'the Awakening']] happens. As humanity is dealing with this, new species emerge: elves and dwarves start being born, followed by orks and trolls. After that, cybernetics are developed, Mega Corps start ruling sections of the planet as new superpowers, and full-inmersion VR is developed. After the space bats, however, the game takes a somewhat realistic turn. This entry NeedsWikiMagicLove, badly.

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* TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}} seems to be this. Its PoD [=PoD=] is in 2011 (if I remember correctly), where something called [[TheMagicComesBack 'the Awakening']] happens. As humanity is dealing with this, new species emerge: elves and dwarves start being born, followed by orks and trolls. After that, cybernetics are developed, Mega Corps start ruling sections of the planet as new superpowers, and full-inmersion VR is developed. After the space bats, however, the game takes a somewhat realistic turn. This entry NeedsWikiMagicLove, badly.
4th Nov '16 9:01:45 AM TheSaintOfAllTropers
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*TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}} seems to be this. Its PoD is in 2011 (if I remember correctly), where something called [[TheMagicComesBack 'the Awakening']] happens. As humanity is dealing with this, new species emerge: elves and dwarves start being born, followed by orks and trolls. After that, cybernetics are developed, Mega Corps start ruling sections of the planet as new superpowers, and full-inmersion VR is developed. After the space bats, however, the game takes a somewhat realistic turn. This entry NeedsWikiMagicLove, badly.
2nd Nov '16 1:42:11 PM Mr.Bubbles
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* VideoGame/{{Resistance}} falls squarely in this category with the existence of [[AlienInvasion the Chimera.]] Even before then, it was either a type III or IV, with history moving implausibly close to our own despite huge changes (no Spanish-American war, Russia never goes communist, America stays out of World War I, Hitler never rises to power, etc.) For example, despite their being no incentive to, with America remaining isolationist throughout the early twentieth century, the country still creates and tests the world's first nuclear weapon. ''In June of 1944.'' Although it's done in central Alaska rather than Nevada.
30th Oct '16 10:51:44 AM nombretomado
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* ''{{GURPS}} Infinite Worlds'' offers the United States Of Lizardia - A world, very much like our own circa 1994, but populated by an evolved species of dinosaur rather than humanity. Beyond Type X, it's also very much Type IV which is heavily lampshade hung - The best guess for how it could possibly exist by the people who in the Infinite Worlds setting study alternate worlds is basically a God with a cruel sense of humor pranking people who study alternate worlds.

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* ''{{GURPS}} ''TabletopGame/{{GURPS}} Infinite Worlds'' offers the United States Of Lizardia - A world, very much like our own circa 1994, but populated by an evolved species of dinosaur rather than humanity. Beyond Type X, it's also very much Type IV which is heavily lampshade hung - The best guess for how it could possibly exist by the people who in the Infinite Worlds setting study alternate worlds is basically a God with a cruel sense of humor pranking people who study alternate worlds.
22nd Oct '16 4:34:04 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''[[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries Command & Conquer: Red Alert]]'' seems to be Type X-IV. It ''starts'' with [[UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein Einstein]] building a TimeMachine [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct and going back to kill Hitler]]. DirtyCommunists led by [[JosefStalin Stalin]] invade Europe with [[ShockAndAwe Tesla coils]] and [[TankGoodness superheavy tanks]]. The Europeans win the war - but some thirty years later, we have a Soviet invasion of the United States this time... ''with [[EverythingsSquishierWithCephalopods giant battlesquids]], {{Weather Control Machine}}s, tanks masquerading as trees, [[FrickinLaserBeams Frickin Prismatic Beams]], CloningBlues, TeleportersAndTransporters, ''' [[CoolAirship bomber blimps]], [[MindControl Mind-Controlling]] soldiers and psychic possession via telephone''''', all served with a side order of [[LargeHam Ham]] and [[{{Camp}} Cheese]]. And then, when it seemed it was over, [[SerialEscalation Red Alert 3 comes-a-knockin'...]]

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* ''[[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries Command & Conquer: Red Alert]]'' seems to be Type X-IV. It ''starts'' with [[UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein Einstein]] building a TimeMachine [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct and going back to kill Hitler]]. DirtyCommunists led by [[JosefStalin [[UsefulNotes/JosefStalin Stalin]] invade Europe with [[ShockAndAwe Tesla coils]] and [[TankGoodness superheavy tanks]]. The Europeans win the war - but some thirty years later, we have a Soviet invasion of the United States this time... ''with [[EverythingsSquishierWithCephalopods giant battlesquids]], {{Weather Control Machine}}s, tanks masquerading as trees, [[FrickinLaserBeams Frickin Prismatic Beams]], CloningBlues, TeleportersAndTransporters, ''' [[CoolAirship bomber blimps]], [[MindControl Mind-Controlling]] soldiers and psychic possession via telephone''''', all served with a side order of [[LargeHam Ham]] and [[{{Camp}} Cheese]]. And then, when it seemed it was over, [[SerialEscalation Red Alert 3 comes-a-knockin'...]]
21st Oct '16 10:47:48 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Children of the Revolution'', an Australian film about the hypothetical son of JosefStalin and his rise to political power very nearly resulting in a [[DirtyCommies communist revolution]] in Australia. RuleOfFunny is strictly in charge for most of the film.

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* ''Children of the Revolution'', an Australian film about the hypothetical son of JosefStalin UsefulNotes/JosefStalin and his rise to political power very nearly resulting in a [[DirtyCommies communist revolution]] in Australia. RuleOfFunny is strictly in charge for most of the film.



* The ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Star Trek: TOS]]'' episode "The City on the Edge of Forever," where Kirk and Spock going back in time and keeping one particular pacifist activist from dying somehow causes the Nazis to win WWII, because her activism keeps the U.S. out of the war until it's too late. That was ''really'' happening in real history; strong, organized pacifist and isolationist movements were very influential over the American public and many American politicians in the early years of WWII, which is why it took an Axis attack on American soil to get the U.S. to enter the war. While no amount of pacifist speeches in the world weren't going to make any difference after Pearl Harbor, sufficiently early POD would butterfly Pearl Harbor attack altogether. Japanese attacked due to American embargo starving Japan of Oil and other raw materials. Its possible that with USA pacifist movement sufficiently strong, there would be no embargo, or Japan would be confident that attacking Dutch Indonesia for alternate oil supply would not trigger American declaring war (USA wasn't going to war over Indonesia IOTL, but Japanese didn't knew that), and would see no need to "strike first".

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* The ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Star Trek: TOS]]'' ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' episode "The City on the Edge of Forever," where Kirk and Spock going back in time and keeping one particular pacifist activist from dying somehow causes the Nazis to win WWII, because her activism keeps the U.S. out of the war until it's too late. That was ''really'' happening in real history; strong, organized pacifist and isolationist movements were very influential over the American public and many American politicians in the early years of WWII, which is why it took an Axis attack on American soil to get the U.S. to enter the war. While no amount of pacifist speeches in the world weren't going to make any difference after Pearl Harbor, sufficiently early POD would butterfly Pearl Harbor attack altogether. Japanese attacked due to American embargo starving Japan of Oil and other raw materials. Its possible that with USA pacifist movement sufficiently strong, there would be no embargo, or Japan would be confident that attacking Dutch Indonesia for alternate oil supply would not trigger American declaring war (USA wasn't going to war over Indonesia IOTL, but Japanese didn't knew that), and would see no need to "strike first".
20th Oct '16 10:50:46 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* The CiemWebcomicSeries postulates that Boonville, Indiana is overtaken by aliens who are obsessed with [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke engineering]] [[HybridMonster monsters]] [[BioPunk for political gain]]. It is attacked by the National Guard and the town of Gerosha is built in its place -- so-named after [[RealitySubtext a seashell with a letter "G" carved into it that was found on a beach in Florida]]. After that, the [[FeudingFamilies growing feud]] between Gerosha's founding Flippo family and the Hebbleskin Crime Family results in more monsters, more explosions, and even a radioactive MacGuffin or two. Since it aims to become a comic book film, it's very steered and [[TheyJustDidntCare doesn't seem to care]] about how hard or soft the AH is.

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* The CiemWebcomicSeries postulates that Boonville, Indiana is overtaken by aliens who are obsessed with [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke engineering]] [[HybridMonster monsters]] [[BioPunk for political gain]]. It is attacked by the National Guard and the town of Gerosha is built in its place -- so-named after [[RealitySubtext a seashell with a letter "G" carved into it that was found on a beach in Florida]]. After that, the [[FeudingFamilies growing feud]] between Gerosha's founding Flippo family and the Hebbleskin Crime Family results in more monsters, more explosions, and even a radioactive MacGuffin or two. Since it aims to become a comic book film, it's very steered and [[TheyJustDidntCare doesn't seem to care]] care about how hard or soft the AH is.
11th Sep '16 10:08:31 PM PaulA
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* ''Literature/TheTalesOfAlvinMaker'' by OrsonScottCard: A retelling of the story of Mormonism founder Joseph Smith in a North America MirrorUniverse where magic is real.

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* ''Literature/TheTalesOfAlvinMaker'' by OrsonScottCard: Creator/OrsonScottCard: A retelling of the story of Mormonism founder Joseph Smith in a North America MirrorUniverse where magic is real.
3rd Sep '16 7:00:46 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''CovertFront'' takes place in an alternate 1904 where WorldWarOne is already taking place. That's all we're given, and it's all we need for Mateusz Skutnik to tell a good spy story.

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* ''CovertFront'' ''VideoGame/CovertFront'' takes place in an alternate 1904 where WorldWarOne is already taking place. That's all we're given, and it's all we need for Mateusz Skutnik to tell a good spy story.
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