History Main / SlidingScaleOfAlternateHistoryPlausibility

15th Oct '17 4:14:20 AM Mr.Bubbles
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* ''VisualNovel/RoseGunsDays'' is set in a world where Japan lost World War II due to a serious natural disaster that hit the country in 1944. America and China got involved with reconstruction, bringing in massive waves of immigrants with them. The Japanese became a minority in their own nation, their traditions cast aside, everyone in Tokyo adopting a second western name, and anyone who can't speak English or Chinese is unable to find work outside of prostitution or the mafia. While all of this is fairly unlikely, the most implausible aspect of the timeline is how ''fast'' it happens. Rather than this being a gradual transition over decades, all of this change occurs less than three years after the Disaster. Still, the author does try to portray more-or-less realistically how such a Japan would be ruled and how the Japanese and immigrants would live in it, as well as the impact it would have on US-China relationships. Perhaps the most realistic outcome of this timeline is that, by 2012, the American and Chinese cultural assimilation has nearly rendered the Japanese language extinct.
9th Oct '17 1:11:20 AM Mr.Bubbles
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* ''VideoGame/IronStorm'' set in a world where UsefulNotes/WorldWarI has dragged on for fifty years. Baron Ugenberg managed to unite UsefulNotes/TsaristRussia and the Siberian tribes together to create the Russo-Mongolian Empire, which has since annexed Eastern Europe. On the other side is the United States of Western Europe, the last few democracies left on the continent, who've fought the war to a stalemate after [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Germany was split in two]]. WarIsHell doesn't even begin to describe it.

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* ''VideoGame/IronStorm'' set in a world where UsefulNotes/WorldWarI has dragged on for fifty years. Baron Ugenberg managed to unite UsefulNotes/TsaristRussia and the Siberian tribes together to create the Russo-Mongolian Empire, which has since annexed Eastern Europe. On the other side is the United States of Western Europe, the last few democracies left on the continent, who've fought the war to a stalemate after [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Germany was split in two]]. WarIsHell doesn't even begin to describe it.
it, especially since the conflict is ''nowhere near'' as black and white as it seems...
9th Oct '17 1:10:20 AM Mr.Bubbles
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* ''VideoGame/IronStorm'' set in a world where UsefulNotes/WorldWarI has dragged on for fifty years. Baron Ugenberg managed to unite UsefulNotes/TsaristRussia and the Siberian tribes together to create the Russo-Mongolian Empire, which has since annexed Eastern Europe. On the other side is the United States of Western Europe, the last few democracies left on the continent, who've fought the war to a stalemate after [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Germany was split in two]]. WarIsHell doesn't even begin to describe it.
9th Jul '17 5:24:44 AM Mr.Bubbles
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* ''Literature/ForAllTime'' starts off with reasonable plausibility. FDR dies of a stroke just a few weeks after Pearl Harbor, leaving Henry Wallace in charge of the country. Far less competent than his predecessor, not to mention Anglophobic, Wallace ends up prolonging World War II with his poor decisions. The American forces have to make do without General Patton, the D-day landing starts a year earlier...and fails miserably, Japan is invaded and [[BalkanizeMe split in two]], the Nazis launch a suicide attack on New York city (which is [[MonumentalDamage mostly]] a failure), and the war ends with ''six'' nuclear bombings in both Germany and Japan.

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* ''Literature/ForAllTime'' starts off with reasonable plausibility. FDR dies of a stroke just a few weeks after Pearl Harbor, leaving Henry Wallace in charge of the country. Far less competent than his predecessor, not to mention Anglophobic, Wallace ends up prolonging World War II with his poor decisions. The American forces have to make do without General Patton, the D-day landing starts a year earlier...and fails miserably, Japan is invaded and [[BalkanizeMe split in two]], the Nazis launch a suicide attack on New York city (which is [[MonumentalDamage mostly]] a failure), and the war ends with ''six'' nuclear bombings in both Germany and Japan.
Japan. After that, things go [[CrapsackWorld completely insane.]]
27th Jun '17 8:10:04 PM Mr.Bubbles
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* ''Literature/ForAllTime'' starts off with reasonable plausibility. FDR dies of a stroke just a few weeks after Pearl Harbor, leaving Henry Wallace in charge of the country. Far less competent than his predecessor, not to mention Anglophobic, Wallace ends up prolonging World War II with his poor decisions. The American forces have to make do without General Patton, the D-day landing starts a year earlier...and fails miserably, Japan is invaded and [[BalkanizeMe split in two]], the Nazis launch a suicide attack on New York city (which is [[MonumentalDamage mostly]] a failure), and the war ends with ''six'' nuclear bombings in both Germany and Japan.
10th Jun '17 3:19:03 PM nombretomado
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* '''Type IV - Utterly Implausible AH:''' These are works that are so Soft that they melt. Works that are so implausible as to be effectively impossible and so Soft as to prove impossible to take as serious speculation. Works where research was so poor or ill-considered, [[AuthorFilibuster author politics so prevalent]], Butterflies so ignored, details (logistics, politics, etc.) so overlooked, often purposefully, that there's no way anyone with even a passing familiarity with the history can take it seriously. Infamously implausible scenarios like Operation Sealion [[note]]UsefulNotes/NaziGermany's plan to invade Britain during WorldWarII, which has been shown by the members of Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom (where it's become a MemeticMutation because of this) to be one of the worst military plans ever conceived -- it would have been a catastrophic defeat for Germany that would have effectively destroyed the Wehrmacht and allowed the Allies to win up to a year earlier.[[/note]] are often placed here, as are utterly implausible technology jumps, such as Aztecs developing breech loading rifles in 1420. Over-the-top ludicrous {{Alternate History Wank}}s are usually put here. One good "rule of thumb" is if a [=PoD=] necessary to make the outcome plausibly happen is so far in the past that Butterflies would negate the very events that created the setting (such as a [=PoD=] to give Hitler the fleet he needed to invade the UK would need to be before WWI, probably negating the rise of Nazism), then it may be a Type IV. ''Note:'' These works are often defined as AlienSpaceBats and in fact the original term "AlienSpaceBats" was coined to refer to these type of implausible works!

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* '''Type IV - Utterly Implausible AH:''' These are works that are so Soft that they melt. Works that are so implausible as to be effectively impossible and so Soft as to prove impossible to take as serious speculation. Works where research was so poor or ill-considered, [[AuthorFilibuster author politics so prevalent]], Butterflies so ignored, details (logistics, politics, etc.) so overlooked, often purposefully, that there's no way anyone with even a passing familiarity with the history can take it seriously. Infamously implausible scenarios like Operation Sealion [[note]]UsefulNotes/NaziGermany's plan to invade Britain during WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, which has been shown by the members of Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom (where it's become a MemeticMutation because of this) to be one of the worst military plans ever conceived -- it would have been a catastrophic defeat for Germany that would have effectively destroyed the Wehrmacht and allowed the Allies to win up to a year earlier.[[/note]] are often placed here, as are utterly implausible technology jumps, such as Aztecs developing breech loading rifles in 1420. Over-the-top ludicrous {{Alternate History Wank}}s are usually put here. One good "rule of thumb" is if a [=PoD=] necessary to make the outcome plausibly happen is so far in the past that Butterflies would negate the very events that created the setting (such as a [=PoD=] to give Hitler the fleet he needed to invade the UK would need to be before WWI, probably negating the rise of Nazism), then it may be a Type IV. ''Note:'' These works are often defined as AlienSpaceBats and in fact the original term "AlienSpaceBats" was coined to refer to these type of implausible works!



* ''The Moscow Option'' by David Downing started with Downing wanting to find a way to have the Axis come as close to winning [[WorldWarTwo the war]] as possible, but still lose. To have them outperform their counterparts he usually engages in very realistic Type I style events, all propogating from two changes, one relating to Germany (Hitler is incapacitated for a time and stops interfering with his generals) and one to Japan (they realize the US has broken their code and create a new plan for Midway that exploits this fact). However, the success of Germany in particular stretches their logistical capacity and reserves to unlikely amounts and devalues those of their opponents to levels well-below those actually available. For all that it's still enough to been possible even though it's an extremely unlikely outcome.

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* ''The Moscow Option'' by David Downing started with Downing wanting to find a way to have the Axis come as close to winning [[WorldWarTwo [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII the war]] as possible, but still lose. To have them outperform their counterparts he usually engages in very realistic Type I style events, all propogating from two changes, one relating to Germany (Hitler is incapacitated for a time and stops interfering with his generals) and one to Japan (they realize the US has broken their code and create a new plan for Midway that exploits this fact). However, the success of Germany in particular stretches their logistical capacity and reserves to unlikely amounts and devalues those of their opponents to levels well-below those actually available. For all that it's still enough to been possible even though it's an extremely unlikely outcome.



* The Literature/ChaosTimeline. The butterfly effect is handwaved ("after a certain point, the same individuals won't occur as in our history, but we may coincidentally get similar people anyway"), and while the writer does his research and homework, he often makes assumptions that get him where he wants to go. For example, he wants a world war to occur, but the Great Powers are headquartered in different parts of the world and any conflict between land powers would be laughably one-sided; thus, the naval development of the world is far in advance of our own WorldWarII, allowing for the naval movement of millions of men all around the globe.

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* The Literature/ChaosTimeline. The butterfly effect is handwaved ("after a certain point, the same individuals won't occur as in our history, but we may coincidentally get similar people anyway"), and while the writer does his research and homework, he often makes assumptions that get him where he wants to go. For example, he wants a world war to occur, but the Great Powers are headquartered in different parts of the world and any conflict between land powers would be laughably one-sided; thus, the naval development of the world is far in advance of our own WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, allowing for the naval movement of millions of men all around the globe.



* Creator/HarryHarrison's ''Stars and Stripes'' trilogy in which Britain allies with the Confederacy during the American Civil War. Begins as Type II but jumps into Type III territory when an accidental attack on a Confederate stronghold leads to Britain going to war with the Confederates and both North and South siding together against the common enemy: Britain. While the [=PoD=] is plausible enough (the Trent Affair could have ''possibly'' resulted in a war with Britain, although Harrison makes it seem like war was inevitable), the author then proceeds to indulge in pro-American fantasies. By the end of the trilogy, the re-unified nation has a WorldWarOne-level navy and ''tanks'' (powered by an engine that is impossible even by levels of technology long after the book was published).

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* Creator/HarryHarrison's ''Stars and Stripes'' trilogy in which Britain allies with the Confederacy during the American Civil War. Begins as Type II but jumps into Type III territory when an accidental attack on a Confederate stronghold leads to Britain going to war with the Confederates and both North and South siding together against the common enemy: Britain. While the [=PoD=] is plausible enough (the Trent Affair could have ''possibly'' resulted in a war with Britain, although Harrison makes it seem like war was inevitable), the author then proceeds to indulge in pro-American fantasies. By the end of the trilogy, the re-unified nation has a WorldWarOne-level UsefulNotes/WorldWarI-level navy and ''tanks'' (powered by an engine that is impossible even by levels of technology long after the book was published).



* ''VideoGame/CovertFront'' takes place in an alternate 1904 where WorldWarOne is already taking place. That's all we're given, and it's all we need for Mateusz Skutnik to tell a good spy story.

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* ''VideoGame/CovertFront'' takes place in an alternate 1904 where WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI is already taking place. That's all we're given, and it's all we need for Mateusz Skutnik to tell a good spy story.
18th Apr '17 7:14:21 PM nombretomado
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* ''Iskriget'' by Anders Blixt. This espionage adventure mixes hard sociology (by creating a credible alternative 20th century in which Britain had failed to reach ascendancy in the 18th century) by a RuleOfCool approach to technology (StudioGhibli-style cloudships and ice juggernauts) and geography (Antarctica and Australia are replaced by two more pulpish continents). However, the author's 1940s approach to racism and sexism is strictly Type I, TheProtagonist being a well-educated Euro-Indian man who encounters a lot of prejudice.

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* ''Iskriget'' by Anders Blixt. This espionage adventure mixes hard sociology (by creating a credible alternative 20th century in which Britain had failed to reach ascendancy in the 18th century) by a RuleOfCool approach to technology (StudioGhibli-style (Creator/StudioGhibli-style cloudships and ice juggernauts) and geography (Antarctica and Australia are replaced by two more pulpish continents). However, the author's 1940s approach to racism and sexism is strictly Type I, TheProtagonist being a well-educated Euro-Indian man who encounters a lot of prejudice.
10th Apr '17 8:29:33 PM Mr.Bubbles
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* ''Film/EscapeFromNewYork'': In 1988, after the crime rate in the United States shot up by 400%, New York City was sealed behind a 50-foot containment wall and transformed into the one maximum security prison for the entire country. Sometime between then and 1997, WorldWarIII broke out, though apparently wasn't (or not completely) nuclear in nature; Snake is a veteran of both the Battles of Leningrad and Siberia.
5th Apr '17 11:18:26 PM PaulA
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* EricFlint's ''Literature/TrailOfGlory'' series starts off with an arrow that hit Sam Houston being a minor injury instead of the [[GroinAttack major one]] it was in RealLife, and follows through from there.

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* EricFlint's Creator/EricFlint's ''Literature/TrailOfGlory'' series starts off with an arrow that hit Sam Houston being a minor injury instead of the [[GroinAttack major one]] it was in RealLife, and follows through from there.
2nd Apr '17 5:42:45 PM DustSnitch
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* The setting of Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''Literature/SeekersOfTheSky'' duology diverges from ours when {{Jesus}} is killed during the Massacre of the Innocents, resulting in a different Messiah with different powers and goals. Unlike Jesus, the Redeemer passes his one miracle to his disciples, and it spreads from them throughout the world. This miracle is the Word, allowing the user to place any inanimate object into another dimension known as the Cold to be retrieved later. Not only has the Word changed how many things are done in the world (those who possess it keep all their valuables in the Cold), but the Redeemer attempted to end war on Earth by removing all the iron he knew about when he left. Another key difference is Redeemer's version of "You shall not kill." -- "You can kill a dozen and still be forgiven." Thus, this setting is largely shaped by a major deficit of this very useful metal (e.g. iron replaces gold as currency and status symbol) and almost habitual violence. The duology mostly serves for the author to explore the dominant religion of this world, which is similar to Christianity in some respects but very different in others.

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* The setting of Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''Literature/SeekersOfTheSky'' duology diverges from ours when {{Jesus}} UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} is killed during the Massacre of the Innocents, resulting in a different Messiah with different powers and goals. Unlike Jesus, the Redeemer passes his one miracle to his disciples, and it spreads from them throughout the world. This miracle is the Word, allowing the user to place any inanimate object into another dimension known as the Cold to be retrieved later. Not only has the Word changed how many things are done in the world (those who possess it keep all their valuables in the Cold), but the Redeemer attempted to end war on Earth by removing all the iron he knew about when he left. Another key difference is Redeemer's version of "You shall not kill." -- "You can kill a dozen and still be forgiven." Thus, this setting is largely shaped by a major deficit of this very useful metal (e.g. iron replaces gold as currency and status symbol) and almost habitual violence. The duology mostly serves for the author to explore the dominant religion of this world, which is similar to Christianity in some respects but very different in others.
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