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11th Sep '16 10:08:31 PM PaulA
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* ''Literature/TheTalesOfAlvinMaker'' by OrsonScottCard: A retelling of the story of Mormonism founder Joseph Smith in a North America MirrorUniverse where magic is real.

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* ''Literature/TheTalesOfAlvinMaker'' by OrsonScottCard: Creator/OrsonScottCard: A retelling of the story of Mormonism founder Joseph Smith in a North America MirrorUniverse where magic is real.
3rd Sep '16 7:00:46 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''CovertFront'' takes place in an alternate 1904 where WorldWarOne is already taking place. That's all we're given, and it's all we need for Mateusz Skutnik to tell a good spy story.

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* ''CovertFront'' ''VideoGame/CovertFront'' takes place in an alternate 1904 where WorldWarOne is already taking place. That's all we're given, and it's all we need for Mateusz Skutnik to tell a good spy story.
31st Aug '16 4:23:03 AM Morgenthaler
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* '''Type X - AlienSpaceBats and Fantastical AH:''' In contrast with Type IV, these works are '''deliberately''' designed as pure fantasy, typically following the RuleOfCool. Some sort of AppliedPhlebotinum or SufficientlyAdvancedAliens or NegativeSpaceWedgie or [[FunctionalMagic blatant magic]] causes a [=PoD=] that completely changes everything. WhatIf [[{{Worldwar}} aliens invade Earth during World War II]]? What if time traveling modern Cherokee give assault rifles to their distant ancestors in 1820? What if town from modern West Virginia was [[MassTeleportation time-ported]] to Germany in the middle of the 30 Years War? A sub-type of this rewrites actual history in fantastic terms: what if George Washington's army used nature magic to fight necromantic redcoats? Ironically, many Type X works can become very "Hard" following an initial fantastical [=PoD=], diligently using historical research and Butterflies to see what would logically happen if the Cherokees really did have Kalashnikov assault rifles in 1820. Type X works can be "steered" or "unsteered". '''Note to Tropers:''' when posting examples please make a note on how "Hard" the work is after the initial [=PoD=] if the [=PoD=] is the ASB element; for example "after the NegativeSpaceWedgie moves Manhattan, the rest of the work follows a more Type II or even Type I level of plausibility".

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* '''Type X - AlienSpaceBats and Fantastical AH:''' In contrast with Type IV, these works are '''deliberately''' designed as pure fantasy, typically following the RuleOfCool. Some sort of AppliedPhlebotinum or SufficientlyAdvancedAliens or NegativeSpaceWedgie or [[FunctionalMagic blatant magic]] causes a [=PoD=] that completely changes everything. WhatIf [[{{Worldwar}} [[Literature/{{Worldwar}} aliens invade Earth during World War II]]? What if time traveling modern Cherokee give assault rifles to their distant ancestors in 1820? What if town from modern West Virginia was [[MassTeleportation time-ported]] to Germany in the middle of the 30 Years War? A sub-type of this rewrites actual history in fantastic terms: what if George Washington's army used nature magic to fight necromantic redcoats? Ironically, many Type X works can become very "Hard" following an initial fantastical [=PoD=], diligently using historical research and Butterflies to see what would logically happen if the Cherokees really did have Kalashnikov assault rifles in 1820. Type X works can be "steered" or "unsteered". '''Note to Tropers:''' when posting examples please make a note on how "Hard" the work is after the initial [=PoD=] if the [=PoD=] is the ASB element; for example "after the NegativeSpaceWedgie moves Manhattan, the rest of the work follows a more Type II or even Type I level of plausibility".
14th Aug '16 5:11:04 AM Morgenthaler
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* While Fyodor Berezin's ''Red Stars'' duology involves travel between parallel worlds, a huge part of it is devoted to the divergence of the other world from ours, so those sections can rightly be called AlternateHistory. The author uses the common belief that Stalin had always planned to betray Hitler, but that Hitler simply beat him to the punch (i.e. both sides were ready to attack but were unprepared to defend). Thanks to British interference during Nazi Germany's invasion of Southern Europe, he delays Operation Barbarossa (the invasion of the Soviet Union) by a month, giving Stalin plenty of time to enact his own invasion plan. The USSR invades Germany in 1941. Germany holds out for almost two years but is ultimately beaten. The Red Army proceeds to take Italy and "liberate" France, stopping just short of crossing the English Channel. Realizing their new rival is the US, the Soviets make sure (through sabotage and covert aid to Japan) that America is tied up with the Pacific War. The Domino Theory then ensures that all of Europe, Asia, Africa, and, eventually, Australia go communist, leading to a Not So Cold War between USSR and US, with the former being the dominant power. Democracy doesn't exist anymore, as the constant red threat forces the US to institute martial law. While this may seem like a MarySuetopia, the author makes it abundantly clear that the other is a CrapsackWorld where the two superpowers no longer hold back on nuclear weapons and constantly engage in massive battles in the oceans. The ending, however, is highly controversial: [[spoiler:the American and Russian presidents in our world launch 500 [=ICBMs=] each at each other, then use the dimensional device to send the missiles to the other side to start a NuclearWar]]. The follow-up short story reveals that [[spoiler:the plan has backfired. The other world is not a smoking nuclear wasteland and is now aware of our world]].

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* While Fyodor Berezin's ''Red Stars'' duology involves travel between parallel worlds, a huge part of it is devoted to the divergence of the other world from ours, so those sections can rightly be called AlternateHistory. The author uses the common belief that Stalin had always planned to betray Hitler, but that Hitler simply beat him to the punch (i.e. both sides were ready to attack but were unprepared to defend). Thanks to British interference during Nazi Germany's invasion of Southern Europe, he delays Operation Barbarossa (the invasion of the Soviet Union) by a month, giving Stalin plenty of time to enact his own invasion plan. The USSR invades Germany in 1941. Germany holds out for almost two years but is ultimately beaten. The Red Army proceeds to take Italy and "liberate" France, stopping just short of crossing the English Channel. Realizing their new rival is the US, the Soviets make sure (through sabotage and covert aid to Japan) that America is tied up with the Pacific War. The Domino Theory then ensures that all of Europe, Asia, Africa, and, eventually, Australia go communist, leading to a Not So Cold War between USSR and US, with the former being the dominant power. Democracy doesn't exist anymore, as the constant red threat forces the US to institute martial law. While this may seem like a MarySuetopia, the author makes it abundantly clear that the other is a CrapsackWorld where the two superpowers no longer hold back on nuclear weapons and constantly engage in massive battles in the oceans. The ending, however, is highly controversial: [[spoiler:the American and Russian presidents in our world launch 500 [=ICBMs=] each at each other, then use the dimensional device to send the missiles to the other side to start a NuclearWar]].nuclear war]]. The follow-up short story reveals that [[spoiler:the plan has backfired. The other world is not a smoking nuclear wasteland and is now aware of our world]].
11th Aug '16 3:09:05 AM Morgenthaler
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* KaiserreichLegacyOfTheWeltkrieg is probably one of the most plausible alternate histories of World War I ever done. The way that Germany wins the war is not only plausible but quite possibly what would have happened if America had never entered the war, as this game postulates, and the overall handling of Europe is very well done. That being said, there are aspects of the alternate history that stretch the willing suspension of disbelief. America's Second Civil War has no basis in historical fact and is even a stretch for the timeline presented. The German intervention in China is also something that almost certainly would not have happened in this or any other plausible alternate history. That being said, the game's story is really well researched and even the more shaky aspects of the history work well within the story as a whole.

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* KaiserreichLegacyOfTheWeltkrieg ''VideoGame/KaiserreichLegacyOfTheWeltkrieg'' is probably one of the most plausible alternate histories of World War I ever done. The way that Germany wins the war is not only plausible but quite possibly what would have happened if America had never entered the war, as this game postulates, and the overall handling of Europe is very well done. That being said, there are aspects of the alternate history that stretch the willing suspension of disbelief. America's Second Civil War has no basis in historical fact and is even a stretch for the timeline presented. The German intervention in China is also something that almost certainly would not have happened in this or any other plausible alternate history. That being said, the game's story is really well researched and even the more shaky aspects of the history work well within the story as a whole.
9th Aug '16 4:06:44 PM nombretomado
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* Jared's ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes an expansionist slaveocracy. Most of the world adopts the "PoD, events follow" approach, although there is a steered approach to the U.S. in this timeline("Draka, done right"). Arguably some Type II elements such as the appearance of historical figures like Edmund Schulthess being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 PoD.

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* %%* Jared's ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes an expansionist slaveocracy. Most of the world adopts the "PoD, events follow" approach, although there is a steered approach to the U.S. in this timeline("Draka, done right"). Arguably some Type II elements such as the appearance of historical figures like Edmund Schulthess being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 PoD.



* Jared's ''DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes a hyper-expansionist slaveocracy. There is a somewhat loose overall direction to the timeline outside of the Americas, but this is decidedly secondary to the heavily steered approach that he took with the U.S. in this timeline("Draka, done right"). A Type II overall due to some far-fetched elements, such as the (possible) successful continued occupation of Peru, Bolivia, and Chile as of 1950, by WordOfGod. Figures like Edmund Schulthess and the Chevrolet brothers being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 PoD, may be considered two examples of Type III elements, as is the occupation of the three above-mentioned South American countries as of 1950, but the survival of slavery in the *1950's* is definitely at least this, and may possibly even count as a Type IV.

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* %%* Jared's ''DecadesOfDarkness'' ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes a hyper-expansionist slaveocracy. There is a somewhat loose overall direction to the timeline outside of the Americas, but this is decidedly secondary to the heavily steered approach that he took with the U.S. in this timeline("Draka, timeline ("Draka, done right"). A Type II overall due to some far-fetched elements, such as the (possible) successful continued occupation of Peru, Bolivia, and Chile as of 1950, by WordOfGod. Figures like Edmund Schulthess and the Chevrolet brothers being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 PoD, may be considered two examples of Type III elements, as is the occupation of the three above-mentioned South American countries as of 1950, but the survival of slavery in the *1950's* is definitely at least this, and may possibly even count as a Type IV.
9th Aug '16 4:04:50 PM nombretomado
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* Jared's ''DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes an expansionist slaveocracy. Most of the world adopts the "PoD, events follow" approach, although there is a steered approach to the U.S. in this timeline("Draka, done right"). Arguably some Type II elements such as the appearance of historical figures like Edmund Schulthess being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 PoD.

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* Jared's ''DecadesOfDarkness'' ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes an expansionist slaveocracy. Most of the world adopts the "PoD, events follow" approach, although there is a steered approach to the U.S. in this timeline("Draka, done right"). Arguably some Type II elements such as the appearance of historical figures like Edmund Schulthess being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 PoD.
8th Aug '16 9:17:41 PM Mr.Bubbles
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* ''Literature/TheAngloAmericanNaziWar'' has Hitler, it a rare moment of clarity, divert 250,000 troops away from what would be a doomed campaign in North Africa toward the Battle of Stalingrad. The Nazis ultimately win and the Soviet Union is defeated by 1943. The author willingly admits this victory is a bit of a stretch, even given Stalin's enraged purge of his generals for their loss. Still, the rest of the timeline manages to be a fairly solid (and ''[[CrapsackWorld horrifying]]'') Type I.
15th Jul '16 9:32:40 PM nombretomado
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* ''[[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries Command & Conquer: Red Alert]]'' seems to be Type X-IV. It ''starts'' with [[AlbertEinstein Einstein]] building a TimeMachine [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct and going back to kill Hitler]]. DirtyCommunists led by [[JosefStalin Stalin]] invade Europe with [[ShockAndAwe Tesla coils]] and [[TankGoodness superheavy tanks]]. The Europeans win the war - but some thirty years later, we have a Soviet invasion of the United States this time... ''with [[EverythingsSquishierWithCephalopods giant battlesquids]], {{Weather Control Machine}}s, tanks masquerading as trees, [[FrickinLaserBeams Frickin Prismatic Beams]], CloningBlues, TeleportersAndTransporters, ''' [[CoolAirship bomber blimps]], [[MindControl Mind-Controlling]] soldiers and psychic possession via telephone''''', all served with a side order of [[LargeHam Ham]] and [[{{Camp}} Cheese]]. And then, when it seemed it was over, [[SerialEscalation Red Alert 3 comes-a-knockin'...]]

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* ''[[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries Command & Conquer: Red Alert]]'' seems to be Type X-IV. It ''starts'' with [[AlbertEinstein [[UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein Einstein]] building a TimeMachine [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct and going back to kill Hitler]]. DirtyCommunists led by [[JosefStalin Stalin]] invade Europe with [[ShockAndAwe Tesla coils]] and [[TankGoodness superheavy tanks]]. The Europeans win the war - but some thirty years later, we have a Soviet invasion of the United States this time... ''with [[EverythingsSquishierWithCephalopods giant battlesquids]], {{Weather Control Machine}}s, tanks masquerading as trees, [[FrickinLaserBeams Frickin Prismatic Beams]], CloningBlues, TeleportersAndTransporters, ''' [[CoolAirship bomber blimps]], [[MindControl Mind-Controlling]] soldiers and psychic possession via telephone''''', all served with a side order of [[LargeHam Ham]] and [[{{Camp}} Cheese]]. And then, when it seemed it was over, [[SerialEscalation Red Alert 3 comes-a-knockin'...]]
11th Jul '16 12:33:58 PM MSK42
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* Turned into the game "Counterfactuals" in an episode of ''Series/TheBigBangTheory''. A single thing in history is changed, and the players are expected to answer a question about the future/history based on that. They must be prepared to defend their answer. Of course invented by Sheldon and Amy.
--> '''Amy''': In a world where rhinoceroses are domesticated pets, who wins the Second World War
--> '''Sheldon''': Uganda.
--> '''Amy''': Defend.
--> '''Sheldon''': Kenya rises to power on the export of rhinoceroses. A Central African power bloc is formed, colonizing North Africa and Europe. When war breaks out, no on ecan afford the luxury of a rhino. Kenya Withers, Uganda triumphs.
--> '''Amy''': Correct. My turn.




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* Turned into the game "Counterfactuals" in an episode of ''Series/TheBigBangTheory''. A single thing in history is changed, and the players are expected to answer a question about the future/history based on that. They must be prepared to defend their answer. Of course invented by Sheldon and Amy.
--> '''Amy''': In a world where rhinoceroses are domesticated pets, who wins the Second World War
--> '''Sheldon''': Uganda.
--> '''Amy''': Defend.
--> '''Sheldon''': Kenya rises to power on the export of rhinoceroses. A Central African power bloc is formed, colonizing North Africa and Europe. When war breaks out, no on ecan afford the luxury of a rhino. Kenya Withers, Uganda triumphs.
--> '''Amy''': Correct. My turn.
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