History Main / SlidingScaleOfAlternateHistoryPlausibility

9th Jul '17 5:24:44 AM Mr.Bubbles
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* ''Literature/ForAllTime'' starts off with reasonable plausibility. FDR dies of a stroke just a few weeks after Pearl Harbor, leaving Henry Wallace in charge of the country. Far less competent than his predecessor, not to mention Anglophobic, Wallace ends up prolonging World War II with his poor decisions. The American forces have to make do without General Patton, the D-day landing starts a year earlier...and fails miserably, Japan is invaded and [[BalkanizeMe split in two]], the Nazis launch a suicide attack on New York city (which is [[MonumentalDamage mostly]] a failure), and the war ends with ''six'' nuclear bombings in both Germany and Japan.

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* ''Literature/ForAllTime'' starts off with reasonable plausibility. FDR dies of a stroke just a few weeks after Pearl Harbor, leaving Henry Wallace in charge of the country. Far less competent than his predecessor, not to mention Anglophobic, Wallace ends up prolonging World War II with his poor decisions. The American forces have to make do without General Patton, the D-day landing starts a year earlier...and fails miserably, Japan is invaded and [[BalkanizeMe split in two]], the Nazis launch a suicide attack on New York city (which is [[MonumentalDamage mostly]] a failure), and the war ends with ''six'' nuclear bombings in both Germany and Japan.
Japan. After that, things go [[CrapsackWorld completely insane.]]
27th Jun '17 8:10:04 PM Mr.Bubbles
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* ''Literature/ForAllTime'' starts off with reasonable plausibility. FDR dies of a stroke just a few weeks after Pearl Harbor, leaving Henry Wallace in charge of the country. Far less competent than his predecessor, not to mention Anglophobic, Wallace ends up prolonging World War II with his poor decisions. The American forces have to make do without General Patton, the D-day landing starts a year earlier...and fails miserably, Japan is invaded and [[BalkanizeMe split in two]], the Nazis launch a suicide attack on New York city (which is [[MonumentalDamage mostly]] a failure), and the war ends with ''six'' nuclear bombings in both Germany and Japan.
10th Jun '17 3:19:03 PM nombretomado
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* '''Type IV - Utterly Implausible AH:''' These are works that are so Soft that they melt. Works that are so implausible as to be effectively impossible and so Soft as to prove impossible to take as serious speculation. Works where research was so poor or ill-considered, [[AuthorFilibuster author politics so prevalent]], Butterflies so ignored, details (logistics, politics, etc.) so overlooked, often purposefully, that there's no way anyone with even a passing familiarity with the history can take it seriously. Infamously implausible scenarios like Operation Sealion [[note]]UsefulNotes/NaziGermany's plan to invade Britain during WorldWarII, which has been shown by the members of Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom (where it's become a MemeticMutation because of this) to be one of the worst military plans ever conceived -- it would have been a catastrophic defeat for Germany that would have effectively destroyed the Wehrmacht and allowed the Allies to win up to a year earlier.[[/note]] are often placed here, as are utterly implausible technology jumps, such as Aztecs developing breech loading rifles in 1420. Over-the-top ludicrous {{Alternate History Wank}}s are usually put here. One good "rule of thumb" is if a [=PoD=] necessary to make the outcome plausibly happen is so far in the past that Butterflies would negate the very events that created the setting (such as a [=PoD=] to give Hitler the fleet he needed to invade the UK would need to be before WWI, probably negating the rise of Nazism), then it may be a Type IV. ''Note:'' These works are often defined as AlienSpaceBats and in fact the original term "AlienSpaceBats" was coined to refer to these type of implausible works!

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* '''Type IV - Utterly Implausible AH:''' These are works that are so Soft that they melt. Works that are so implausible as to be effectively impossible and so Soft as to prove impossible to take as serious speculation. Works where research was so poor or ill-considered, [[AuthorFilibuster author politics so prevalent]], Butterflies so ignored, details (logistics, politics, etc.) so overlooked, often purposefully, that there's no way anyone with even a passing familiarity with the history can take it seriously. Infamously implausible scenarios like Operation Sealion [[note]]UsefulNotes/NaziGermany's plan to invade Britain during WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, which has been shown by the members of Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom (where it's become a MemeticMutation because of this) to be one of the worst military plans ever conceived -- it would have been a catastrophic defeat for Germany that would have effectively destroyed the Wehrmacht and allowed the Allies to win up to a year earlier.[[/note]] are often placed here, as are utterly implausible technology jumps, such as Aztecs developing breech loading rifles in 1420. Over-the-top ludicrous {{Alternate History Wank}}s are usually put here. One good "rule of thumb" is if a [=PoD=] necessary to make the outcome plausibly happen is so far in the past that Butterflies would negate the very events that created the setting (such as a [=PoD=] to give Hitler the fleet he needed to invade the UK would need to be before WWI, probably negating the rise of Nazism), then it may be a Type IV. ''Note:'' These works are often defined as AlienSpaceBats and in fact the original term "AlienSpaceBats" was coined to refer to these type of implausible works!



* ''The Moscow Option'' by David Downing started with Downing wanting to find a way to have the Axis come as close to winning [[WorldWarTwo the war]] as possible, but still lose. To have them outperform their counterparts he usually engages in very realistic Type I style events, all propogating from two changes, one relating to Germany (Hitler is incapacitated for a time and stops interfering with his generals) and one to Japan (they realize the US has broken their code and create a new plan for Midway that exploits this fact). However, the success of Germany in particular stretches their logistical capacity and reserves to unlikely amounts and devalues those of their opponents to levels well-below those actually available. For all that it's still enough to been possible even though it's an extremely unlikely outcome.

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* ''The Moscow Option'' by David Downing started with Downing wanting to find a way to have the Axis come as close to winning [[WorldWarTwo [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII the war]] as possible, but still lose. To have them outperform their counterparts he usually engages in very realistic Type I style events, all propogating from two changes, one relating to Germany (Hitler is incapacitated for a time and stops interfering with his generals) and one to Japan (they realize the US has broken their code and create a new plan for Midway that exploits this fact). However, the success of Germany in particular stretches their logistical capacity and reserves to unlikely amounts and devalues those of their opponents to levels well-below those actually available. For all that it's still enough to been possible even though it's an extremely unlikely outcome.



* The Literature/ChaosTimeline. The butterfly effect is handwaved ("after a certain point, the same individuals won't occur as in our history, but we may coincidentally get similar people anyway"), and while the writer does his research and homework, he often makes assumptions that get him where he wants to go. For example, he wants a world war to occur, but the Great Powers are headquartered in different parts of the world and any conflict between land powers would be laughably one-sided; thus, the naval development of the world is far in advance of our own WorldWarII, allowing for the naval movement of millions of men all around the globe.

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* The Literature/ChaosTimeline. The butterfly effect is handwaved ("after a certain point, the same individuals won't occur as in our history, but we may coincidentally get similar people anyway"), and while the writer does his research and homework, he often makes assumptions that get him where he wants to go. For example, he wants a world war to occur, but the Great Powers are headquartered in different parts of the world and any conflict between land powers would be laughably one-sided; thus, the naval development of the world is far in advance of our own WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, allowing for the naval movement of millions of men all around the globe.



* Creator/HarryHarrison's ''Stars and Stripes'' trilogy in which Britain allies with the Confederacy during the American Civil War. Begins as Type II but jumps into Type III territory when an accidental attack on a Confederate stronghold leads to Britain going to war with the Confederates and both North and South siding together against the common enemy: Britain. While the [=PoD=] is plausible enough (the Trent Affair could have ''possibly'' resulted in a war with Britain, although Harrison makes it seem like war was inevitable), the author then proceeds to indulge in pro-American fantasies. By the end of the trilogy, the re-unified nation has a WorldWarOne-level navy and ''tanks'' (powered by an engine that is impossible even by levels of technology long after the book was published).

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* Creator/HarryHarrison's ''Stars and Stripes'' trilogy in which Britain allies with the Confederacy during the American Civil War. Begins as Type II but jumps into Type III territory when an accidental attack on a Confederate stronghold leads to Britain going to war with the Confederates and both North and South siding together against the common enemy: Britain. While the [=PoD=] is plausible enough (the Trent Affair could have ''possibly'' resulted in a war with Britain, although Harrison makes it seem like war was inevitable), the author then proceeds to indulge in pro-American fantasies. By the end of the trilogy, the re-unified nation has a WorldWarOne-level UsefulNotes/WorldWarI-level navy and ''tanks'' (powered by an engine that is impossible even by levels of technology long after the book was published).



* ''VideoGame/CovertFront'' takes place in an alternate 1904 where WorldWarOne is already taking place. That's all we're given, and it's all we need for Mateusz Skutnik to tell a good spy story.

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* ''VideoGame/CovertFront'' takes place in an alternate 1904 where WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI is already taking place. That's all we're given, and it's all we need for Mateusz Skutnik to tell a good spy story.
18th Apr '17 7:14:21 PM nombretomado
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* ''Iskriget'' by Anders Blixt. This espionage adventure mixes hard sociology (by creating a credible alternative 20th century in which Britain had failed to reach ascendancy in the 18th century) by a RuleOfCool approach to technology (StudioGhibli-style cloudships and ice juggernauts) and geography (Antarctica and Australia are replaced by two more pulpish continents). However, the author's 1940s approach to racism and sexism is strictly Type I, TheProtagonist being a well-educated Euro-Indian man who encounters a lot of prejudice.

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* ''Iskriget'' by Anders Blixt. This espionage adventure mixes hard sociology (by creating a credible alternative 20th century in which Britain had failed to reach ascendancy in the 18th century) by a RuleOfCool approach to technology (StudioGhibli-style (Creator/StudioGhibli-style cloudships and ice juggernauts) and geography (Antarctica and Australia are replaced by two more pulpish continents). However, the author's 1940s approach to racism and sexism is strictly Type I, TheProtagonist being a well-educated Euro-Indian man who encounters a lot of prejudice.
10th Apr '17 8:29:33 PM Mr.Bubbles
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* ''Film/EscapeFromNewYork'': In 1988, after the crime rate in the United States shot up by 400%, New York City was sealed behind a 50-foot containment wall and transformed into the one maximum security prison for the entire country. Sometime between then and 1997, WorldWarIII broke out, though apparently wasn't (or not completely) nuclear in nature; Snake is a veteran of both the Battles of Leningrad and Siberia.
5th Apr '17 11:18:26 PM PaulA
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* EricFlint's ''Literature/TrailOfGlory'' series starts off with an arrow that hit Sam Houston being a minor injury instead of the [[GroinAttack major one]] it was in RealLife, and follows through from there.

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* EricFlint's Creator/EricFlint's ''Literature/TrailOfGlory'' series starts off with an arrow that hit Sam Houston being a minor injury instead of the [[GroinAttack major one]] it was in RealLife, and follows through from there.
2nd Apr '17 5:42:45 PM DustSnitch
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* The setting of Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''Literature/SeekersOfTheSky'' duology diverges from ours when {{Jesus}} is killed during the Massacre of the Innocents, resulting in a different Messiah with different powers and goals. Unlike Jesus, the Redeemer passes his one miracle to his disciples, and it spreads from them throughout the world. This miracle is the Word, allowing the user to place any inanimate object into another dimension known as the Cold to be retrieved later. Not only has the Word changed how many things are done in the world (those who possess it keep all their valuables in the Cold), but the Redeemer attempted to end war on Earth by removing all the iron he knew about when he left. Another key difference is Redeemer's version of "You shall not kill." -- "You can kill a dozen and still be forgiven." Thus, this setting is largely shaped by a major deficit of this very useful metal (e.g. iron replaces gold as currency and status symbol) and almost habitual violence. The duology mostly serves for the author to explore the dominant religion of this world, which is similar to Christianity in some respects but very different in others.

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* The setting of Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''Literature/SeekersOfTheSky'' duology diverges from ours when {{Jesus}} UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} is killed during the Massacre of the Innocents, resulting in a different Messiah with different powers and goals. Unlike Jesus, the Redeemer passes his one miracle to his disciples, and it spreads from them throughout the world. This miracle is the Word, allowing the user to place any inanimate object into another dimension known as the Cold to be retrieved later. Not only has the Word changed how many things are done in the world (those who possess it keep all their valuables in the Cold), but the Redeemer attempted to end war on Earth by removing all the iron he knew about when he left. Another key difference is Redeemer's version of "You shall not kill." -- "You can kill a dozen and still be forgiven." Thus, this setting is largely shaped by a major deficit of this very useful metal (e.g. iron replaces gold as currency and status symbol) and almost habitual violence. The duology mostly serves for the author to explore the dominant religion of this world, which is similar to Christianity in some respects but very different in others.
1st Feb '17 10:44:14 PM RWG
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** ''Creator/ParadoxInteractive'' games in general usually qualify as Type II, since the studio tends to forsake balance in favor of hard, extensive research. This historical accuracy lasts up until the point that each game starts, then it's at the mercy of the player.
26th Jan '17 1:06:42 PM Antigone3
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[[AC:Anime and Manga]]
* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' takes place in an alternate early 20th century with working {{Magitek}} in the form of alchemy. However, it explicitly takes place in an alternate world separate from our own.

[[AC:Comic Books]]
* ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' becomes a type X because of the existence of [[PhysicalGod Dr. Manhattan]], but is a Type III otherwise (the non-super powered superheroes have some smaller impacts on the history of fashion and pop-culture of the 20. century). The primary goal is a {{deconstruction}} of the superhero genre, not exploring alternate histories.
* The [[http://www.bigheadpress.com/ Big Head Press]] comic [[http://www.bigheadpress.com/roswell Roswell, Texas]] had Santa Anna killed at the first battle of the Alamo and Texas remaining independent and becoming a libertarian paradise that expanded westward to at least New Mexico (as the title suggests). Discounting the aliens other offenses include the Nazis conquering all of Europe, the IRA working with Jewish physicists to nuke Berlin leading to a minor member of the British royal family becoming king of the Reich, Mexico is ruled by an emperor who secretly practices Aztec human sacrifices while hosting the French government in exile, and Walt Disney is President for life of California.
** BHP also published a graphic novel based on the first novel of the North American Confederacy series, [[http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn The Probability Broach]].
* In ''ComicBook/{{Uber}}'', the Third Reich develop the ability to create superhumans shortly before the Fall of Berlin. In a deconstruction of the StupidJetpackHitler trope, the consequences are then developed in a very big-picture, RealityEnsues and depressing way.

[[AC:Film]]
* ''Film/SkyCaptainAndTheWorldOfTomorrow'', a combination of {{Diesel Punk}} and {{Steam Punk}} in an alternate 1930's setting. Involves giant robots and intelligent flying machines.



* Eric Flint's ''[[Literature/SixteenThirtyTwo Ring Of Fire]]'' series where a West Virginia coal town is [[MassTeleportation time-and-space-ported]] to Germany in the middle of the 30 Years War. Very meticulously Hard after the [=PoD=] (Type I).

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* Eric Flint's ''[[Literature/SixteenThirtyTwo Ring Of Fire]]'' series where a West Virginia coal town is touched off by AlienSpaceBats [[MassTeleportation time-and-space-ported]] time-and-space-porting]] a West Virginia mining town from the year 2000 to Germany in the middle of the 30 Years War. Very meticulously Hard after War. Once the [=PoD=] (Type I).happens, the series turns into a rock-hard Type I, with a very realistic analysis of the effects of future technology and culture on this era, backed up with obsessive research into both the historical background of the time, and the resources such a town would be likely to have.




[[AC:Web Comics]]
* The Webcomic/CiemWebcomicSeries postulates that Boonville, Indiana is overtaken by aliens who are obsessed with [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke engineering]] [[HybridMonster monsters]] [[BioPunk for political gain]]. It is attacked by the National Guard and the town of Gerosha is built in its place -- so-named after [[RealitySubtext a seashell with a letter "G" carved into it that was found on a beach in Florida]]. After that, the [[FeudingFamilies growing feud]] between Gerosha's founding Flippo family and the Hebbleskin Crime Family results in more monsters, more explosions, and even a radioactive MacGuffin or two. Since it aims to become a comic book film, it's very steered and doesn't seem to care about how hard or soft the AH is.

[[AC:Web Original]]
* The ''Strangerverse'' on Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom is a loosely-tied saga, whose common tie being a time traveler returning to some point (and figure) in the past. To stop his crapsack-apocalyptic future from happening, the Stranger leaves behind tools to aid his "chosen." This generally results in epic nation-wanks. The stories themselves become Type II or III after the "event," depending on the author. Notables include ''Literature/TheBritwankEmpire'' and ''[[Literature/UnitedStatesOfAmeriwank The United States of Ameriwank]]''.


* ''[[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries Command & Conquer: Red Alert]]'' seems to be Type X-IV. It ''starts'' with [[UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein Einstein]] building a TimeMachine [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct and going back to kill Hitler]]. DirtyCommunists led by [[UsefulNotes/JosefStalin Stalin]] invade Europe with [[ShockAndAwe Tesla coils]] and [[TankGoodness superheavy tanks]]. The Europeans win the war - but some thirty years later, we have a Soviet invasion of the United States this time... ''with [[EverythingsSquishierWithCephalopods giant battlesquids]], {{Weather Control Machine}}s, tanks masquerading as trees, [[FrickinLaserBeams Frickin Prismatic Beams]], CloningBlues, TeleportersAndTransporters, ''' [[CoolAirship bomber blimps]], [[MindControl Mind-Controlling]] soldiers and psychic possession via telephone''''', all served with a side order of [[LargeHam Ham]] and [[{{Camp}} Cheese]]. And then, when it seemed it was over, [[SerialEscalation Red Alert 3 comes-a-knockin'...]]



* ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' becomes a type X because of the existence of [[PhysicalGod Dr. Manhattan]], but is a Type III otherwise (the non-super powered superheroes have some smaller impacts on the history of fashion and pop-culture of the 20. century). The primary goal is a {{deconstruction}} of the superhero genre, not exploring alternate histories.
* ''Film/SkyCaptainAndTheWorldOfTomorrow'', a combination of {{Diesel Punk}} and {{Steam Punk}} in an alternate 1930's setting. Involves giant robots and intelligent flying machines.
* ''TabletopGame/{{GURPS}} Infinite Worlds'' offers the United States Of Lizardia - A world, very much like our own circa 1994, but populated by an evolved species of dinosaur rather than humanity. Beyond Type X, it's also very much Type IV which is heavily lampshade hung - The best guess for how it could possibly exist by the people who in the Infinite Worlds setting study alternate worlds is basically a God with a cruel sense of humor pranking people who study alternate worlds.
* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' takes place in an alternate early 20th century with working {{Magitek}} in the form of alchemy. However, it explicitly takes place in an alternate world separate from our own.



* The [[http://www.bigheadpress.com/ Big Head Press]] comic [[http://www.bigheadpress.com/roswell Roswell, Texas]] had Santa Anna killed at the first battle of the Alamo and Texas remaining independent and becoming a libertarian paradise that expanded westward to at least New Mexico (as the title suggests). Discounting the aliens other offenses include the Nazis conquering all of Europe, the IRA working with Jewish physicists to nuke Berlin leading to a minor member of the British royal family becoming king of the Reich, Mexico is ruled by an emperor who secretly practices Aztec human sacrifices while hosting the French government in exile, and Walt Disney is President for life of California.
** BHP also published a graphic novel based on the first novel of the North American Confederacy series, [[http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn The Probability Broach]].
* In Videogame/BioshockInfinite, the Boxer Rebellion was put down by intervention of the floating, mobile city of Columbia, which had been constructed in part through funding provided by the United States Congress. Later, the city publicly secedes from the union and disappears, only remembered in archive news stories. [[spoiler: Then, at the end of 1983, it returns and bombs New York]]. In this case, not only is the game set in an AlternateUniverse, but the concept of alternate universes is explored directly, with the implication that an infinite number of universes with Columbia -- differing in some details but constant in others -- exist and also that an infinite number of universes [[spoiler: ''without'' Columbia]] also exist, and that [[spoiler: Columbia itself]] is the result of a single alternate decision between the realities with and without it; the protagonist and the primary supporting character [[spoiler: are eventually revealed to be from one of the realities where Columbia never existed, transplanted to Columbia for the specific purpose of eventually erasing all Columbia universes from existence.]]
* In ''ComicBook/{{Uber}}'', the Third Reich develop the ability to create superhumans shortly before the Fall of Berlin. In a deconstruction of the StupidJetpackHitler trope, the consequences are then developed in a very big-picture, RealityEnsues and depressing way.
* In Pinnacle Entertainment's award winning campaign setting, "Deadlands", an alternate history reality in which pretty much all aspects of the horror genre exist in some form in the Old West is created. While Butterflies are followed in some cases, they are abandoned at the drop of a hat for RuleOfCool. So you get a split US with a Union and Confederacy battling over the West, a Chinese-ruled California, a Mormon-ruled Utah ("Deseret"), several independent Native American states, all form of crazy monsters, witches and card-shark magicians, blessed crusaders of God, shape-shifting Shamans, and just to wrap it all together, SteamPunk mad scientists!



* The entire Literature/SixteenThirtyTwo series is touched off by AlienSpaceBats transporting a West Virginia mining town in the year 2000 to central Germany in the 17th century. After the [=PoD=], though, there's no other intervention and the entire series becomes rock-hard Type I, with a very realistic analysis of the effects of future technology and culture on this era, backed up with obsessive research into both the historical background of the time, and the resources such a town would be likely to have.

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[[AC:Tabletop Games]]
* ''TabletopGame/{{GURPS}} Infinite Worlds'' offers the United States Of Lizardia - A world, very much like our own circa 1994, but populated by an evolved species of dinosaur rather than humanity. Beyond Type X, it's also very much Type IV which is heavily lampshade hung - The entire Literature/SixteenThirtyTwo series is touched off best guess for how it could possibly exist by AlienSpaceBats transporting a West Virginia mining town the people who in the year 2000 to central Germany Infinite Worlds setting study alternate worlds is basically a God with a cruel sense of humor pranking people who study alternate worlds.
* In Pinnacle Entertainment's award winning campaign setting, "Deadlands", an alternate history reality in which pretty much all aspects of the horror genre exist in some form
in the 17th century. Old West is created. While Butterflies are followed in some cases, they are abandoned at the drop of a hat for RuleOfCool. So you get a split US with a Union and Confederacy battling over the West, a Chinese-ruled California, a Mormon-ruled Utah ("Deseret"), several independent Native American states, all form of crazy monsters, witches and card-shark magicians, blessed crusaders of God, shape-shifting Shamans, and just to wrap it all together, SteamPunk mad scientists!
%%* TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}} seems to be this. Its [=PoD=] is in 2011 (if I remember correctly), where something called [[TheMagicComesBack 'the Awakening']] happens. As humanity is dealing with this, new species emerge: elves and dwarves start being born, followed by orks and trolls. After that, cybernetics are developed, Mega Corps start ruling sections of the planet as new superpowers, and full-inmersion VR is developed.
After the [=PoD=], though, there's no other space bats, however, the game takes a somewhat realistic turn. This entry NeedsWikiMagicLove, badly.

[[AC:Video Games]]
* ''[[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries Command & Conquer: Red Alert]]'' seems to be Type X-IV. It ''starts'' with [[UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein Einstein]] building a TimeMachine [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct and going back to kill Hitler]]. DirtyCommunists led by [[UsefulNotes/JosefStalin Stalin]] invade Europe with [[ShockAndAwe Tesla coils]] and [[TankGoodness superheavy tanks]]. The Europeans win the war - but some thirty years later, we have a Soviet invasion of the United States this time... ''with [[EverythingsSquishierWithCephalopods giant battlesquids]], {{Weather Control Machine}}s, tanks masquerading as trees, [[FrickinLaserBeams Frickin Prismatic Beams]], CloningBlues, TeleportersAndTransporters, ''' [[CoolAirship bomber blimps]], [[MindControl Mind-Controlling]] soldiers and psychic possession via telephone''''', all served with a side order of [[LargeHam Ham]] and [[{{Camp}} Cheese]]. And then, when it seemed it was over, [[SerialEscalation Red Alert 3 comes-a-knockin'...]]
* In Videogame/BioshockInfinite, the Boxer Rebellion was put down by
intervention of the floating, mobile city of Columbia, which had been constructed in part through funding provided by the United States Congress. Later, the city publicly secedes from the union and disappears, only remembered in archive news stories. [[spoiler: Then, at the end of 1983, it returns and bombs New York]]. In this case, not only is the game set in an AlternateUniverse, but the concept of alternate universes is explored directly, with the implication that an infinite number of universes with Columbia -- differing in some details but constant in others -- exist and also that an infinite number of universes [[spoiler: ''without'' Columbia]] also exist, and that [[spoiler: Columbia itself]] is the result of a single alternate decision between the realities with and without it; the protagonist and the entire series becomes rock-hard Type I, with a very realistic analysis primary supporting character [[spoiler: are eventually revealed to be from one of the effects of future technology and culture on this era, backed up with obsessive research into both realities where Columbia never existed, transplanted to Columbia for the historical background specific purpose of the time, and the resources such a town would be likely to have.eventually erasing all Columbia universes from existence.]]



* TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}} seems to be this. Its [=PoD=] is in 2011 (if I remember correctly), where something called [[TheMagicComesBack 'the Awakening']] happens. As humanity is dealing with this, new species emerge: elves and dwarves start being born, followed by orks and trolls. After that, cybernetics are developed, Mega Corps start ruling sections of the planet as new superpowers, and full-inmersion VR is developed. After the space bats, however, the game takes a somewhat realistic turn. This entry NeedsWikiMagicLove, badly.

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[[AC:Web Comics]]
* TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}} seems to be this. Its [=PoD=] The Webcomic/CiemWebcomicSeries postulates that Boonville, Indiana is in 2011 (if I remember correctly), where something called [[TheMagicComesBack 'the Awakening']] happens. As humanity is dealing overtaken by aliens who are obsessed with this, new species emerge: elves [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke engineering]] [[HybridMonster monsters]] [[BioPunk for political gain]]. It is attacked by the National Guard and dwarves start being born, followed by orks and trolls. the town of Gerosha is built in its place -- so-named after [[RealitySubtext a seashell with a letter "G" carved into it that was found on a beach in Florida]]. After that, cybernetics are developed, Mega Corps start ruling sections of the planet as new superpowers, [[FeudingFamilies growing feud]] between Gerosha's founding Flippo family and full-inmersion VR is developed. After the space bats, however, Hebbleskin Crime Family results in more monsters, more explosions, and even a radioactive MacGuffin or two. Since it aims to become a comic book film, it's very steered and doesn't seem to care about how hard or soft the game takes AH is.

[[AC:Web Original]]
* The ''Strangerverse'' on Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom is
a somewhat realistic turn. loosely-tied saga, whose common tie being a time traveler returning to some point (and figure) in the past. To stop his crapsack-apocalyptic future from happening, the Stranger leaves behind tools to aid his "chosen." This entry NeedsWikiMagicLove, badly.generally results in epic nation-wanks. The stories themselves become Type II or III after the "event," depending on the author. Notables include ''Literature/TheBritwankEmpire'' and ''[[Literature/UnitedStatesOfAmeriwank The United States of Ameriwank]]''.
26th Jan '17 12:49:40 PM Antigone3
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%%* Jared's ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes an expansionist slaveocracy. Most of the world adopts the "[=PoD=], events follow" approach, although there is a steered approach to the U.S. in this timeline("Draka, done right"). Arguably some Type II elements such as the appearance of historical figures like Edmund Schulthess being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 [=PoD=].




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%%* Jared's ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes an expansionist slaveocracy. Most of the world adopts the "[=PoD=], events follow" approach, although there is a steered approach to the U.S. in this timeline("Draka, done right"). Arguably some Type II elements such as the appearance of historical figures like Edmund Schulthess being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 [=PoD=].



%%* Jared's ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes a hyper-expansionist slaveocracy. There is a somewhat loose overall direction to the timeline outside of the Americas, but this is decidedly secondary to the heavily steered approach that he took with the U.S. in this timeline ("Draka, done right"). A Type II overall due to some far-fetched elements, such as the (possible) successful continued occupation of Peru, Bolivia, and Chile as of 1950, by WordOfGod. Figures like Edmund Schulthess and the Chevrolet brothers being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 [=PoD=], may be considered two examples of Type III elements, as is the occupation of the three above-mentioned South American countries as of 1950, but the survival of slavery in the *1950's* is definitely at least this, and may possibly even count as a Type IV.



%%* Web Original: Jared's ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' hyper-detailed AH, which diverges due to Thomas Jefferson dying of a heart attack in 1808. New England secedes and the US becomes a hyper-expansionist slaveocracy. There is a somewhat loose overall direction to the timeline outside of the Americas, but this is decidedly secondary to the heavily steered approach that he took with the U.S. in this timeline ("Draka, done right"). A Type II overall due to some far-fetched elements, such as the (possible) successful continued occupation of Peru, Bolivia, and Chile as of 1950, by WordOfGod. Figures like Edmund Schulthess and the Chevrolet brothers being born as they were IOTL, some decades after the 1809 [=PoD=], may be considered two examples of Type III elements, as is the occupation of the three above-mentioned South American countries as of 1950, but the survival of slavery in the *1950's* is definitely at least this, and may possibly even count as a Type IV.



* Drew's ''Rumsfeldia'' timeline on AHDotCom is definitely at least an upper-end Type III overall.
* Napoleon53's ''What Madness Is This'', while certainly well-written, it, like Jared's Decades of Darkness, also plays fast and loose with plausibility, albeit in a rather different manner. The timeline actually starts in the early 1700s, but doesn't really diverge much until the Revolutionary Era. The real action starts when John Adams and Alexander Hamilton end up stealing not one, but *two* elections! The southern states secede after the 1800 elections, and the rump North starts to turn into something like a banana republic. As one might expect, things eventually do go pear-shaped at the end of the 19th century, when the "Manifest Destiny Party" takes over, and they retain total control of the country until the 1960s, at least, during which time they conquer almost all of the Americas. Apart from this and a stunning amount of convergences, this timeline may be best known for two endings: one in which the NUSA essentially tries to conquer the world, and another of which ends with a nuclear war on June 6, 2006.

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* Drew's ''Rumsfeldia'' timeline on AHDotCom ''Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom'' is definitely at least an upper-end Type III overall.
* Napoleon53's [=Napoleon53's=] ''What Madness Is This'', while certainly well-written, it, like Jared's Decades of Darkness, also plays fast and loose with plausibility, albeit in a rather different manner. The timeline actually starts in the early 1700s, but doesn't really diverge much until the Revolutionary Era. The real action starts when John Adams and Alexander Hamilton end up stealing not one, but *two* elections! The southern states secede after the 1800 elections, and the rump North starts to turn into something like a banana republic. As one might expect, things eventually do go pear-shaped at the end of the 19th century, when the "Manifest Destiny Party" takes over, and they retain total control of the country until the 1960s, at least, during which time they conquer almost all of the Americas. Apart from this and a stunning amount of convergences, this timeline may be best known for two endings: one in which the NUSA essentially tries to conquer the world, and another of which ends with a nuclear war on June 6, 2006.




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* The film version of ''Film/{{Fatherland}}'' is a Type IV, on account of the point of divergence. Germany defeats the Allies in the battle of Normandy in 1944. Then it (based on the map that is shown) directly takes over all of Europe (including the UK) except for the Soviet Union in its prewar borders. The best Germany could hope for at that point in the war is to keep onto Austria and the Sudetenland in exchange for abandoning its other conquests and a regime change. The book is somewhat harder.
* The 2006 mockumentary ''Film/CSATheConfederateStatesOfAmerica'', where the South not only wins but takes over the whole of the Union! Few take the history seriously, including the creator himself, since it was designed as a {{satire}} of race relations in the US rather than an accurate counter-factual representation of a southern victory world.

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* Creator/SpikeTV's "Alternate History" special. With a point of divergence that starts with a successful repelling of the Normandy invasion due to an unexplained influx of jet aircraft on the German side, Nazi Germany manages to completely turn the tide of the war, and conquer both the United Kingdom and the United States. The Soviet Union also doesn't seem to exist in this timeline.



* The film version of ''Film/{{Fatherland}}'' is a Type IV, on account of the point of divergence. Germany defeats the Allies in the battle of Normandy in 1944. Then it (based on the map that is shown) directly takes over all of Europe (including the UK) except for the Soviet Union in its prewar borders. The best Germany could hope for at that point in the war is to keep onto Austria and the Sudetenland in exchange for abandoning its other conquests and a regime change. The book is somewhat harder.

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* The film version of ''Film/{{Fatherland}}'' is Creator/SpikeTV's "Alternate History" special. With a Type IV, on account of the point of divergence. Germany defeats divergence that starts with a successful repelling of the Allies in the battle of Normandy in 1944. Then it (based invasion due to an unexplained influx of jet aircraft on the map that is shown) directly takes over all of Europe (including German side, Nazi Germany manages to completely turn the UK) except for tide of the war, and conquer both the United Kingdom and the United States. The Soviet Union also doesn't seem to exist in its prewar borders. The best Germany could hope for at that point in the war is to keep onto Austria and the Sudetenland in exchange for abandoning its other conquests and a regime change. The book is somewhat harder.this timeline.

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* The 2006 mockumentary ''Film/CSATheConfederateStatesOfAmerica'', where the South not only wins but takes over the whole of the Union! Few take the history seriously, including the creator himself, since it was designed as a {{satire}} of race relations in the US rather than an accurate counter-factual representation of a southern victory world.

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* The 2006 mockumentary ''Film/CSATheConfederateStatesOfAmerica'', where the South not only wins but takes over the whole of the Union! Few take the history seriously, including the creator himself, since it was designed as a {{satire}} of race relations in the US rather than an accurate counter-factual representation of a southern victory world.




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* The ''Strangerverse'' on Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom is a loosely-tied saga, whose common tie being a time traveler returning to some point (and figure) in the past. To stop his crapsack-apocalyptic future from happening, the Stranger leaves behind tools to aid his "chosen." This generally results in epic nation-wanks. The stories themselves become Type II or III after the "event," depending on the author. Notables include ''Literature/TheBritwankEmpire'' and ''[[Literature/UnitedStatesOfAmeriwank The United States of Ameriwank]]''.



* The CiemWebcomicSeries postulates that Boonville, Indiana is overtaken by aliens who are obsessed with [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke engineering]] [[HybridMonster monsters]] [[BioPunk for political gain]]. It is attacked by the National Guard and the town of Gerosha is built in its place -- so-named after [[RealitySubtext a seashell with a letter "G" carved into it that was found on a beach in Florida]]. After that, the [[FeudingFamilies growing feud]] between Gerosha's founding Flippo family and the Hebbleskin Crime Family results in more monsters, more explosions, and even a radioactive MacGuffin or two. Since it aims to become a comic book film, it's very steered and doesn't seem to care about how hard or soft the AH is.

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* The CiemWebcomicSeries Webcomic/CiemWebcomicSeries postulates that Boonville, Indiana is overtaken by aliens who are obsessed with [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke engineering]] [[HybridMonster monsters]] [[BioPunk for political gain]]. It is attacked by the National Guard and the town of Gerosha is built in its place -- so-named after [[RealitySubtext a seashell with a letter "G" carved into it that was found on a beach in Florida]]. After that, the [[FeudingFamilies growing feud]] between Gerosha's founding Flippo family and the Hebbleskin Crime Family results in more monsters, more explosions, and even a radioactive MacGuffin or two. Since it aims to become a comic book film, it's very steered and doesn't seem to care about how hard or soft the AH is.is.

[[AC:Web Original]]
* The ''Strangerverse'' on Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom is a loosely-tied saga, whose common tie being a time traveler returning to some point (and figure) in the past. To stop his crapsack-apocalyptic future from happening, the Stranger leaves behind tools to aid his "chosen." This generally results in epic nation-wanks. The stories themselves become Type II or III after the "event," depending on the author. Notables include ''Literature/TheBritwankEmpire'' and ''[[Literature/UnitedStatesOfAmeriwank The United States of Ameriwank]]''.

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