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21st Mar '17 11:41:53 AM BeerBaron
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* ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' averts this by giving the weapons a Thrust, Hack and Slash damage. Halberds, for example, have almost no slash damage but a lot of thrust damage ([[http://www.knightsedge.com/images/Product/medium/european-knights-halberd.jpg which makes little sense]], shouldn't they be equal?), while claymores have a lot of slash damage, some hack damage, and almost no thrust damage. Also, you can choose between manually pressing a certain key to select the attack type, or letting the computer do the job for you.
** Halberds were given poor slash damage since all polearms in the game were classified as "spears".
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', on the other hand, only allows hacking and slashing, even with daggers. Stabbing is a power attack only available at higher skill levels, and can be done with all blade weapons regardless of type.
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'' thrust (upward mouse movement) is accurate but weak while hacks and chops are more powerful/less accurate the closer they get to down mouse movments. This is the same for all weapons (so you can thrust with a axe).

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** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'', thrust (upward mouse movement) is accurate but weak while hacks and chops are more powerful/less accurate the closer they get to down mouse movements. This is the same for all weapons (so you can thrust with a axe).
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''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' averts this by giving this, as the game gives different values to weapons a Thrust, Hack for Slashing, Hacking, and Slash Thrusting damage. Halberds, for For example, have almost no slash a spear has high Thrust damage but low Slash and Hack damage but a lot of thrust damage ([[http://www.knightsedge.com/images/Product/medium/european-knights-halberd.jpg which makes little sense]], shouldn't they be equal?), while claymores have a lot of slash claymore has high Slash damage, some hack mediocre Hack damage, and almost no thrust low Thrust damage, while an axe has high Hack damage, mediocre Slash damage, and low Thrust damage. Also, The method of attack you use depends on how you are moving when you strike, although you can choose between manually pressing a certain key to select the attack type, or letting the computer do the job for you.
** Halberds were given poor slash damage since all polearms
turn this off in the game were classified as "spears".
Settings in order to always use the weapon's most damaging style of attack.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', on the other hand, plays it straight, only allows hacking and slashing, even with daggers. Stabbing is a power attack only available at higher skill levels, and can be done with all blade weapons regardless of type.
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'' thrust (upward mouse movement) is accurate but weak while hacks and chops are more powerful/less accurate the closer they get to down mouse movments. This is the same for all weapons (so you can thrust with a axe).
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16th Jan '17 6:56:26 PM AuraXtreme
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** However, despite being ''technically'' averted, the attack patterns don't change, meaning that your hero will usually still be slashing about with his rapier anyway--it just won't do as much damaage as stabbing.

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** However, despite being ''technically'' averted, the attack patterns don't change, meaning that your hero will usually still be slashing about with his rapier anyway--it just won't do as much damaage damage as stabbing.stabbing... which makes the Tales series' use the most realistic possible rendition of this trope.
18th Dec '16 5:50:18 AM fanty
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* In ''Webcomic/BitsFair'', [[http://bitsfair.com/comic/3-54-59 at the end of chapter three]], Ananda's opponent dual wields punch daggers, but seems to use them more for slashing than for stabbing.

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* In ''Webcomic/BitsFair'', [[http://bitsfair.com/comic/3-54-59 spiderforest.com/comic/46 at the end of chapter three]], Ananda's opponent dual wields punch daggers, but seems to use them more for slashing than for stabbing.
8th Dec '16 7:12:34 AM Morgenthaler
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** Samurai Warriors is somewhat better about this, largely thanks to weapon design and not cloning move sets. [[TheHero Yukimura Sanada]] will thrust and slash with his spear, but as it has three blades set in a cross shape, this is forgiven. [[BadAss Tadakatsu Honda]] has a spear with no thrusting attacks, but given how it looks like [[http://images.wikia.com/dynastywarriors/images/f/fc/Tadakatsu-sw2weapon3.jpg this]] that may also be forgiven. More questionable is Nagamasa Azai. While using a lance, he does thrust with it, but many of his moves are wide, sweeping blows with the blunt length of the lance.

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** Samurai Warriors is somewhat better about this, largely thanks to weapon design and not cloning move sets. [[TheHero Yukimura Sanada]] will thrust and slash with his spear, but as it has three blades set in a cross shape, this is forgiven. [[BadAss Tadakatsu Honda]] Honda has a spear with no thrusting attacks, but given how it looks like [[http://images.wikia.com/dynastywarriors/images/f/fc/Tadakatsu-sw2weapon3.jpg this]] that may also be forgiven. More questionable is Nagamasa Azai. While using a lance, he does thrust with it, but many of his moves are wide, sweeping blows with the blunt length of the lance.
28th Oct '16 3:00:28 PM Morgenthaler
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* One episode of ''Series/{{Highlander}}: The Series'' featured Duncan lopping off a head while using a spear. It was, however, a heavy-bladed spear with a leaf-shaped blade, and the decapitation required a full 360-degree spin for momentum, with the spear being held near the base of the shaft.

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* One episode of ''Series/{{Highlander}}: The Series'' Series'':
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featured Duncan lopping off a head while using a spear. It was, however, a heavy-bladed spear with a leaf-shaped blade, and the decapitation required a full 360-degree spin for momentum, with the spear being held near the base of the shaft.
28th Oct '16 2:59:53 PM Morgenthaler
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* In ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' fics, Assassins' Guild School teacher Emmanuelle-Marie Lapoignard les Deux-Epées frequently makes this point to her students in sword-craft, bladed weapons and stabbing technique. The type of sword you use dictates the way you use it. Typical examples of her teaching would be in the fics ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8774066/6/There-s-nothing-like-a-fresh-pair-of-eyes-is-there Fresh Pair of Eyes]]'' and ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5598298/1/Il-se-passait-au-nuit-du-P%C3%A8re-Porcher La Nuit du Pere Porcher]]''.

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* In ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' fics, Assassins' Guild School teacher Emmanuelle-Marie Lapoignard les Deux-Epées frequently makes this point to her students in sword-craft, bladed weapons and stabbing technique. The type of sword you use dictates the way you use it. Typical examples of her teaching would be in the fics ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8774066/6/There-s-nothing-like-a-fresh-pair-of-eyes-is-there Fresh Pair of Eyes]]'' and ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5598298/1/Il-se-passait-au-nuit-du-P%C3%A8re-Porcher La Nuit du Pere Porcher]]''.

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28th Oct '16 1:18:46 PM Morgenthaler
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-->-- '''Syrio Forel''', ''ASongOfIceAndFire''

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-->-- '''Syrio Forel''', ''ASongOfIceAndFire''
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2nd Sep '16 2:46:31 PM thekeyofe
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Occasionally justified in RealLife. While rapiers were specialized for thrusting, and later smallswords, were specifically thrusting weapons, slashing to draw blood or distract was a valid disabling tactic. Spear wielders, with the right spear and outside of formation fighting, had to use their weapons to swing only seldomly stabbing.

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Occasionally justified in RealLife. While rapiers were specialized for thrusting, Rapiers, and later smallswords, were specifically specialized thrusting weapons, weapons but could still cut, and slashing to draw blood or distract was a valid disabling tactic. Spear wielders, with the right spear and Spears could also be used for swinging attacks, especially when outside of formation fighting, had to use their weapons to swing only seldomly stabbing.
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27th Aug '16 2:36:37 PM foxmccloud4387
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* [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] with Lancer in ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''. The game goes out of its way to point out that swinging a spear actually ''is'' a perfectly valid and effective technique.

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* [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] with Lancer in ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''. The game goes out of its way to point out that swinging a spear actually ''is'' a perfectly valid and effective technique.technique; it covers more area than a thrust and is therefore harder to avoid, and even if the tip of the spear doesn't draw blood the shaft is still swung with enough force to break a rib.
23rd Aug '16 4:42:11 AM Ambaryerno
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*** The pommel of the sword is a suitable enough weapon to punch through armor, but it's normally used on the helmet or to open a hole in someone's face.
*** As mentioned above, half-swording was another way to get around armor. This involved grabbing the sword by the blade (preferably a longsword with a dull blade) and allowing such tactics as using the hand on the blade to guide the thrust to chinks in the armor, and even putting both hands on the blade and turning the sword into an improvised mace/hammer for an attack known in English as the "Murder-Strike" ("Mordhau" or "Mordstreich" in its native German).

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*** The pommel of the sword is a suitable was heavy enough weapon to punch through armor, but it's normally used on the helmet or to open a hole in someone's face.
serve as an impromptu mace.
*** As mentioned above, half-swording was another way to get around armor. This involved grabbing the sword by the blade (preferably a longsword with a dull blade) and allowing such tactics as using the hand on the blade to guide the thrust to chinks in the armor, and even putting both hands on the blade and turning the sword into an improvised mace/hammer for an attack known in English as the "Murder-Strike" ("Mordhau" or "Mordstreich" in its native German).
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