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17th Jun '17 9:12:11 AM nombretomado
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* Lampshaded in EpicBattleFantasy: Matt yells at a sword using enemy using SliceAndDiceSwordsmanship that he's holding a thrusting weapon.
** [[{{Hypocrite}} Despite]] him using both thrusting and slashing motions regardless of his weapon.

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* Lampshaded in EpicBattleFantasy: ''VideoGame/EpicBattleFantasy'': Matt yells at a sword using enemy using SliceAndDiceSwordsmanship that he's holding a thrusting weapon.
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weapon. [[{{Hypocrite}} Despite]] him using both thrusting and slashing motions regardless of his weapon.
6th May '17 5:15:17 PM Yozzy
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*** The pommel of the sword was heavy enough to serve as an impromptu mace.
*** As mentioned above, half-swording was another way to get around armor. This involved grabbing the sword by the blade and allowing such tactics as using the hand on the blade to guide the thrust to chinks in the armor, and even putting both hands on the blade and turning the sword into an improvised mace/hammer for an attack known in English as the "Murder-Strike" ("Mordhau" or "Mordstreich" in its native German).

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*** The pommel of the sword was heavy enough to serve as an impromptu mace.
mace or hammer, and some styles of fighting incorporated this as a finisher for armoured enemies known in English as the "Murder-Strike" ("Mordhau" or "Mordstreich" in its native German). It would be done by grabbing the sword by the tip of the blade with both hands and just swinging the thing to hit them with the guard or the hilt. Good thing they had armor [[SelfHarm on their hands]].
*** As mentioned above, half-swording was another way to get around armor. This involved grabbing the sword by the blade and allowing such tactics as using the hand on the blade to guide the thrust to chinks in the armor, and even putting both hands on the blade and turning armor. This could be used to stab, or if that was ineffective, to use the sword into an improvised mace/hammer for an attack known in English as the "Murder-Strike" ("Mordhau" or "Mordstreich" in its native German).
a lever to pry open sections of armor.
24th Apr '17 6:45:25 PM nombretomado
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* The ''TalesSeries'' has been averting this for years: ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'' introduced a system of giving each weapon a separate "slash" and "thrust" statistic. Normally, this applies only to the main lead, even if other characters use similar weapons. ''VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny'' gave the slash and thrust stats to ''anyone'' who could use a sword, which was most of the cast. ''VideoGame/TalesOfEternia'' went further, giving main character Rid separate ''experience'' for slashing and thrusting as well, which partly determined when he would learn his techs. Farah in the same game had separate stats and experience for her fists and her feet, but no one else in ''Eternia'' used swords.

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* The ''TalesSeries'' ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' has been averting this for years: ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'' introduced a system of giving each weapon a separate "slash" and "thrust" statistic. Normally, this applies only to the main lead, even if other characters use similar weapons. ''VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny'' gave the slash and thrust stats to ''anyone'' who could use a sword, which was most of the cast. ''VideoGame/TalesOfEternia'' went further, giving main character Rid separate ''experience'' for slashing and thrusting as well, which partly determined when he would learn his techs. Farah in the same game had separate stats and experience for her fists and her feet, but no one else in ''Eternia'' used swords.
17th Apr '17 10:34:38 AM Discar
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* ''Film/TheForceAwakens'': Inverted. Rey has a staff, and uses it correctly. The problem is when she ends up with a standard lightsaber. Since she has no training or experience outside the staff, she keeps trying to use the saber in the same way, resulting in a lot of weird stabbing motions when normal slashes would be more effective.
17th Apr '17 10:20:31 AM ExeloMinish
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* ''Series/KamenRiderGaim''[='=]s Kaito (aka Kamen Rider Baron) has a certain level of infamy for never wielding his weapons right. His usual weapon is a lance that he's always swinging around like a large, blunt sword. He only ever uses thrust attacks when using his Mango Arms... which replaces the lance with a ''mace''. Later he acquires the Lemon Energy Arms and its bladed EnergyBow... which he then proceeded to [[ReverseGrip wield backwards]], even when ''firing'' the damn thing.
2nd Apr '17 3:07:15 PM nombretomado
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* ''{{Persona 3}}'' has three physical damage types: slashing, piercing, and strike damage. Mitsuru uses rapiers but the rapiers deal slash damage, not piercing damage. Somewhat subverted, though, in that most of Mitsuru's attack ''animations'' are thrusts. However, the nameless protagonist can use her weapons too, and he tends to play the trope straight.
** the one handed sword class of weapon does include some slashing type swords, but the animations never change. Two handed swords (Dai-katanas) always slash, though.

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* ''{{Persona 3}}'' ''VideoGame/Persona3'' has three physical damage types: slashing, piercing, and strike damage. Mitsuru uses rapiers but the rapiers deal slash damage, not piercing damage. Somewhat subverted, though, in that most of Mitsuru's attack ''animations'' are thrusts. However, the nameless protagonist can use her weapons too, and he tends to play the trope straight.
** the The one handed sword class of weapon does include some slashing type swords, but the animations never change. Two handed swords (Dai-katanas) always slash, though.
21st Mar '17 11:41:53 AM BeerBaron
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* ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' averts this by giving the weapons a Thrust, Hack and Slash damage. Halberds, for example, have almost no slash damage but a lot of thrust damage ([[http://www.knightsedge.com/images/Product/medium/european-knights-halberd.jpg which makes little sense]], shouldn't they be equal?), while claymores have a lot of slash damage, some hack damage, and almost no thrust damage. Also, you can choose between manually pressing a certain key to select the attack type, or letting the computer do the job for you.
** Halberds were given poor slash damage since all polearms in the game were classified as "spears".
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', on the other hand, only allows hacking and slashing, even with daggers. Stabbing is a power attack only available at higher skill levels, and can be done with all blade weapons regardless of type.
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'' thrust (upward mouse movement) is accurate but weak while hacks and chops are more powerful/less accurate the closer they get to down mouse movments. This is the same for all weapons (so you can thrust with a axe).

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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'', thrust (upward mouse movement) is accurate but weak while hacks and chops are more powerful/less accurate the closer they get to down mouse movements. This is the same for all weapons (so you can thrust with a axe).
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''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' averts this by giving this, as the game gives different values to weapons a Thrust, Hack for Slashing, Hacking, and Slash Thrusting damage. Halberds, for For example, have almost no slash a spear has high Thrust damage but low Slash and Hack damage but a lot of thrust damage ([[http://www.knightsedge.com/images/Product/medium/european-knights-halberd.jpg which makes little sense]], shouldn't they be equal?), while claymores have a lot of slash claymore has high Slash damage, some hack mediocre Hack damage, and almost no thrust low Thrust damage, while an axe has high Hack damage, mediocre Slash damage, and low Thrust damage. Also, The method of attack you use depends on how you are moving when you strike, although you can choose between manually pressing a certain key to select the attack type, or letting the computer do the job for you.
** Halberds were given poor slash damage since all polearms
turn this off in the game were classified as "spears".
Settings in order to always use the weapon's most damaging style of attack.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', on the other hand, plays it straight, only allows hacking and slashing, even with daggers. Stabbing is a power attack only available at higher skill levels, and can be done with all blade weapons regardless of type.
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'' thrust (upward mouse movement) is accurate but weak while hacks and chops are more powerful/less accurate the closer they get to down mouse movments. This is the same for all weapons (so you can thrust with a axe).
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16th Jan '17 6:56:26 PM AuraXtreme
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** However, despite being ''technically'' averted, the attack patterns don't change, meaning that your hero will usually still be slashing about with his rapier anyway--it just won't do as much damaage as stabbing.

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** However, despite being ''technically'' averted, the attack patterns don't change, meaning that your hero will usually still be slashing about with his rapier anyway--it just won't do as much damaage damage as stabbing.stabbing... which makes the Tales series' use the most realistic possible rendition of this trope.
18th Dec '16 5:50:18 AM fanty
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* In ''Webcomic/BitsFair'', [[http://bitsfair.com/comic/3-54-59 at the end of chapter three]], Ananda's opponent dual wields punch daggers, but seems to use them more for slashing than for stabbing.

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* In ''Webcomic/BitsFair'', [[http://bitsfair.com/comic/3-54-59 spiderforest.com/comic/46 at the end of chapter three]], Ananda's opponent dual wields punch daggers, but seems to use them more for slashing than for stabbing.
8th Dec '16 7:12:34 AM Morgenthaler
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** Samurai Warriors is somewhat better about this, largely thanks to weapon design and not cloning move sets. [[TheHero Yukimura Sanada]] will thrust and slash with his spear, but as it has three blades set in a cross shape, this is forgiven. [[BadAss Tadakatsu Honda]] has a spear with no thrusting attacks, but given how it looks like [[http://images.wikia.com/dynastywarriors/images/f/fc/Tadakatsu-sw2weapon3.jpg this]] that may also be forgiven. More questionable is Nagamasa Azai. While using a lance, he does thrust with it, but many of his moves are wide, sweeping blows with the blunt length of the lance.

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** Samurai Warriors is somewhat better about this, largely thanks to weapon design and not cloning move sets. [[TheHero Yukimura Sanada]] will thrust and slash with his spear, but as it has three blades set in a cross shape, this is forgiven. [[BadAss Tadakatsu Honda]] Honda has a spear with no thrusting attacks, but given how it looks like [[http://images.wikia.com/dynastywarriors/images/f/fc/Tadakatsu-sw2weapon3.jpg this]] that may also be forgiven. More questionable is Nagamasa Azai. While using a lance, he does thrust with it, but many of his moves are wide, sweeping blows with the blunt length of the lance.
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