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19th Jan '17 11:18:02 AM StFan
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->'''Peter''': They're responsible for this...\\
'''Adam''': Parents sin, children suffer.

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->'''Peter''': ->'''Peter:''' They're responsible for this...\\
'''Adam''': '''Adam:''' Parents sin, children suffer.



* In the eighth ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' movie, Paragus and Broly lured Vegeta into an elaborate ruse in order to take revenge on him for his father's actions towards them. Fearful of Broly's power, he ordered the Saiyan child to be executed, then tried to kill Paragus for the crime of pleading for his son's life.

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In the eighth ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' movie, Paragus and Broly lured Vegeta into an elaborate ruse in order to take revenge on him for his father's actions towards them. Fearful of Broly's power, he ordered the Saiyan child to be executed, then tried to kill Paragus for the crime of pleading for his son's life.



* Aleister (Amelda in the original Japanese) from ''Anime/YuGiOh'', with the subversion that he actually has a point. He hates Kaiba Corp because he believes Gozaburo Kaiba responsible for the death of his family (though it was actually Dartz, Aleister's boss) and objects to Seto and Mokuba Kaiba living comfortably off of blood stained riches. Although the Kaiba brothers weren't responsible for the wars that Gozaburo financed (and there were genuine ones), they're certainly willing to benefit from them.

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Aleister (Amelda in the original Japanese) from ''Anime/YuGiOh'', with the subversion that he actually has a point. He hates Kaiba Corp because he believes Gozaburo Kaiba responsible for the death of his family (though it was actually Dartz, Aleister's boss) and objects to Seto and Mokuba Kaiba living comfortably off of blood stained riches. Although the Kaiba brothers weren't responsible for the wars that Gozaburo financed (and there were genuine ones), they're certainly willing to benefit from them.



* ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf's'' title character Ranma Saotome usually has to deal with the problems his dad created in the past. Of course, this isn't because his father is dead, he's just a [[DirtyCoward big coward]].
** Soun Tendo also causes this sort of trouble -- not only did he and Genma seal up [[OldMaster Happosai]] and leave him for dead (only to have him come back later to [[DirtyOldMan annoy the younger generation]],) but he also promised [[EquivalentExchange one of his daughters in exchange for a meal at a French restaurant]].
** Happosai's own past sins often come back to haunt the [[FanNickname Nerima Wrecking Crew]]. [[EmbarrassingFirstName Pantyhose Taro]] and [[EnergyAbsorption Hinako Ninomiya]] are but two examples... But that just makes a change from his ongoing ''present'' sins haunting them.

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* ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf's'' ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'':
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title character Ranma Saotome usually has to deal with the problems his dad created in the past. Of course, this isn't because his father is dead, he's just a [[DirtyCoward big coward]].
** Soun Tendo Sōun Tendō also causes this sort of trouble -- not only did he and Genma seal up [[OldMaster Happosai]] Happōsai]] and leave him for dead (only to have him come back later to [[DirtyOldMan annoy the younger generation]],) but he also promised [[EquivalentExchange one of his daughters in exchange for a meal at a French restaurant]].
** Happosai's Happōsai's own past sins often come back to haunt the [[FanNickname Nerima Wrecking Crew]]. [[EmbarrassingFirstName Pantyhose Taro]] Tarō]] and [[EnergyAbsorption Hinako Ninomiya]] are but two examples... But that just makes a change from his ongoing ''present'' sins haunting them.



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* In ''Fanfic/{{Uplifted}}'', NaziProtagonist Joachim Hoch, an ardent SS man since he was eighteen and apparently a supporter when he was younger, had his mentor and father figure Gerald Langer cover up his father's Communist ties, as well as his mother's Socialism and anti-Nazi stance. It is all unraveled in [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8467467/1/Uplifted-Intervention Uplifted: Intervention]] when he is shot in the face by his dead brother's ex-fiancee -- a runaway Jewish woman.
** Under hard questioning by Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Langer admits the ties of his family. The result is not pretty. By [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8734768/1/Uplifted-Revolution Uplifted: Revolution,]] Joachim has spent two months in the care of the ever hospitable [[UsefulNotes/TheGestapo Gestapo]]. The results are not pretty.
* In ''FanFic/MassEffectHumanRevolution'', as Garrus and Jensen get integrated into Hein's unit, the former gets into a heated argument with [[Anime/FinalFantasyTheSpiritsWithin Edward Grey]] over the events at Shanxi. They were stopped by Hein, who pointed out that, unlike himself[[note]]Hein was a Wanzer pilot at the time and notably killed General Desolas Arterius[[/note]], neither of them were actually present for the events and should put it past them.

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* In ''Fanfic/{{Uplifted}}'', NaziProtagonist Joachim Hoch, an ardent SS man since he was eighteen and apparently a supporter when he was younger, had his mentor and father figure Gerald Langer cover up his father's Communist ties, as well as his mother's Socialism and anti-Nazi stance. It is all unraveled in [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8467467/1/Uplifted-Intervention Uplifted: Intervention]] when he is shot in the face by his dead brother's ex-fiancee -- a runaway Jewish woman. \n** Under hard questioning by Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Langer admits the ties of his family. The result is not pretty. By [[http://www.''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8734768/1/Uplifted-Revolution Uplifted: Revolution,]] Revolution]]'', Joachim has spent two months in the care of the ever hospitable [[UsefulNotes/TheGestapo Gestapo]]. The results are not pretty.Gestapo]].
* In ''FanFic/MassEffectHumanRevolution'', ''Fanfic/MassEffectHumanRevolution'', as Garrus and Jensen get integrated into Hein's unit, the former gets into a heated argument with [[Anime/FinalFantasyTheSpiritsWithin Edward Grey]] over the events at Shanxi. They were stopped by Hein, who pointed out that, unlike himself[[note]]Hein was a Wanzer pilot at the time and notably killed General Desolas Arterius[[/note]], neither of them were actually present for the events and should put it past them.



* In ''FanFic/VengeanceOfTheStar'' the assassins targeting Twilight kill Spike ''right in front of her'' just to make her suffer before killing her... only for her to transform into Midnight Sparkle and in retaliation ''kill the assassins families and force them all to watch.''

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* In ''FanFic/VengeanceOfTheStar'' ''Fanfic/VengeanceOfTheStar'' the assassins targeting Twilight kill Spike ''right in front of her'' just to make her suffer before killing her... only for her to transform into Midnight Sparkle and in retaliation ''kill the assassins families and force them all to watch.''



* ''FanFic/KingdomHearts3FinalStand'': In the spin-offs set prior to the fall of Radiant Garden, it's established that the [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized Insurgos]] believe that bloodlines carry certain traits; Ansem's parents were tyrants who saw everyone outside royalty as beneath them, and thus, they're obsessed with bringing down Ansem's rule because they believe that his parents' cruelty is InTheBlood. In ''Radiant'', showing that she's NotSoDifferent from the Insurgos, Ansem's mother, Hanako, reveals she has the same beliefs, outright telling Ansem and Rimi that Kaname should be imprisoned simply for being the son of one of the Insurgos despite the fact that Kaname ''saved'' them from his father.
* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'': As revealed in chapter 22, Tsali has been after Cosmo because her father Lucas made him into what he is now. Tails points out that Cosmo is ''not'' guilty of her father's crimes, but Tsali responds that she carries her father's blood, and that's enough for him.

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* ''FanFic/KingdomHearts3FinalStand'': ''Fanfic/KingdomHearts3FinalStand'': In the spin-offs set prior to the fall of Radiant Garden, it's established that the [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized Insurgos]] believe that bloodlines carry certain traits; Ansem's parents were tyrants who saw everyone outside royalty as beneath them, and thus, they're obsessed with bringing down Ansem's rule because they believe that his parents' cruelty is InTheBlood. In ''Radiant'', showing that she's NotSoDifferent from the Insurgos, Ansem's mother, Hanako, reveals she has the same beliefs, outright telling Ansem and Rimi that Kaname should be imprisoned simply for being the son of one of the Insurgos despite the fact that Kaname ''saved'' them from his father.
* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'': ''Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos'': As revealed in chapter 22, Tsali has been after Cosmo because her father Lucas made him into what he is now. Tails points out that Cosmo is ''not'' guilty of her father's crimes, but Tsali responds that she carries her father's blood, and that's enough for him.



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* Wells from ''Series/{{The 100}}'' is the son of Chancellor Jaha, leader of the dystopian Ark society who imposes a AllCrimesAreEqual policy that got many people executed for their crimes (that can go from murder, to whistleblowing, to having more than one child). As a result, most of the 100 (juvenile criminals who couldn't be executed until their majority) hate Wells, as they've all been imprisoned by Jaha's police force or have seen their loved ones "[[DeadlyEuphemism floated]]" on his orders. [[spoiler:A young girl who was traumatized by her parents' deaths ends up murdering him.]]

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* Wells from ''Series/{{The 100}}'' ''Series/The100'' is the son of Chancellor Jaha, leader of the dystopian Ark society who imposes a AllCrimesAreEqual policy that got many people executed for their crimes (that can go from murder, to whistleblowing, to having more than one child). As a result, most of the 100 (juvenile criminals who couldn't be executed until their majority) hate Wells, as they've all been imprisoned by Jaha's police force or have seen their loved ones "[[DeadlyEuphemism floated]]" on his orders. [[spoiler:A young girl who was traumatized by her parents' deaths ends up murdering him.]]



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* Possibly subverted by the Necrons of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. Their original enemies, the Old Ones, are now more-or-less absent from the galaxy, but the Necrons don't seem to go out of their way to kill the creations of the Old Ones, and indeed seem to mostly ignore the Eldar and Orks except when they happen to run into each other.

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* Possibly subverted by the Necrons of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''.''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000''. Their original enemies, the Old Ones, are now more-or-less absent from the galaxy, but the Necrons don't seem to go out of their way to kill the creations of the Old Ones, and indeed seem to mostly ignore the Eldar and Orks except when they happen to run into each other.



* The Witch from ''IntoTheWoods'' laid a curse on the Baker's entire family forever so that they could never bear children, just because the Baker's father stole her rampion without asking. What makes it even worse is that she had originally only wanted their child, but ''then'' laid the barrenness curse on them just because she wasn't entirely satisfied.

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* The Witch from ''IntoTheWoods'' ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' laid a curse on the Baker's entire family forever so that they could never bear children, just because the Baker's father stole her rampion without asking. What makes it even worse is that she had originally only wanted their child, but ''then'' laid the barrenness curse on them just because she wasn't entirely satisfied.



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-->'''Gaz''': The sins of our fathers...\\
'''Griggs''': Heh. Ain't it a bitch?

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-->'''Gaz''': -->'''Gaz:''' The sins of our fathers...\\
'''Griggs''': '''Griggs:''' Heh. Ain't it a bitch?



* ''Franchise/DevilMayCry''

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* ''WesternAnimation/JackieChanAdventures''

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-->'''Horis Hurlbut''': You are ''banned'' from this historical society! And your children! And your children's children! ... For three months.

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-->'''Horis Hurlbut''': Hurlbut:''' You are ''banned'' from this historical society! And your children! And your children's children! ... For three months.
17th Jan '17 5:30:01 PM dpisel01
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* ''WesternAnimation/StaticShock'': Richie Foley never had his friends visit him because his father was a racist. When Virgil's sister pointed out how often Richie visited them and that Virgil never visited him, Richie had no choice but to schedule a visit and hope his father wasn't around. He wasn't so lucky. Fortunately Virgil didn't hold it against Richie and Mr. Foley eventually changed his mind.

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* ''WesternAnimation/StaticShock'': Richie Foley never had his friends friend visit him because his father was a racist. When Virgil's sister pointed out how often Richie visited them and that Virgil never visited him, Richie had no choice but to schedule a visit and hope his father wasn't around. He wasn't so lucky. Fortunately Virgil didn't hold it against Richie and Mr. Foley eventually changed his mind.



* The Slave Trade. Far too often, an apology is made which goes something along the lines of "I'm sorry that my great-grandfather enslaved your great-grandfather."

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* The Slave Trade. Far too Quite often, an apology is made which goes something along the lines of "I'm sorry that my great-grandfather enslaved your great-grandfather."" Understandably so, as this is the truth.



*** Americans will sometimes gloat that, unlike the French, neither they nor the British surrendered. Well, neither of those peoples ''share hundreds of miles of border with Germany''.

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*** Americans will sometimes gloat that, unlike the French, neither they nor the British surrendered. Well, neither of those peoples ''share hundreds of miles of border with Germany''. Though to be fair, they usually only say this in response to French people being rude to them, which unfortunately happens far too often. In addition, the UK was pretty badly ravaged by Germany but never surrendered.
11th Jan '17 7:06:16 AM Dravencour
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11th Jan '17 7:04:00 AM Dravencour
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Why someone would target the descendants rather than the one who originally did the wrong tends to vary, but it's usually due to the original offender not being alive enough to go after and make suffer. This is especially true of villains who are immortal or undead, or many a SealedEvilInACan. More often than not, this form of revenge is pursued by villains rather than heroes, since targeting someone other than the person who actually committed the wrong, and who may not have anything to do with it aside from being descended from the person who did is a good way to wind up on the wrong side of the RuleOfEmpathy.

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Why someone would target the descendants rather than the one who originally did the wrong tends to vary, but it's usually due to the original offender not being alive enough to go after and make suffer. This is especially true of villains who are immortal or undead, or many a SealedEvilInACan.SealedEvilInACan, whose hatreds can take years if not decades or centuries to fester and grow. More often than not, this form of revenge is pursued by villains rather than heroes, since targeting someone other than the person who actually committed the wrong, and who may not have anything to do with it aside from being descended from the person who did is a good way to wind up on the wrong side of the RuleOfEmpathy.
11th Jan '17 7:03:31 AM Dravencour
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Why the person seeking vengeance is targeting the descendants rather than the ones who originally did the wrong tends to vary, but it's usually due to the original offender not being alive enough to go after and make suffer. This is especially true of villains who are immortal or undead, or many a SealedEvilInACan. More often than not, this form of revenge is pursued by villains rather than heroes, since targeting someone other than the person who actually committed the wrong, and who may not have anything to do with it aside from being descended from the person who did is a good way to wind up on the wrong side of the RuleOfEmpathy.

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Why the person seeking vengeance is targeting someone would target the descendants rather than the ones one who originally did the wrong tends to vary, but it's usually due to the original offender not being alive enough to go after and make suffer. This is especially true of villains who are immortal or undead, or many a SealedEvilInACan. More often than not, this form of revenge is pursued by villains rather than heroes, since targeting someone other than the person who actually committed the wrong, and who may not have anything to do with it aside from being descended from the person who did is a good way to wind up on the wrong side of the RuleOfEmpathy.
11th Jan '17 7:02:34 AM Dravencour
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This one's really popular with immortal or {{undead}} antagonists, such as vengeful ghosts, liches, vampires, dragons, and the like, as well as many a SealedEvilInACan, whose first order of business upon getting out of the can is meting out some very nasty payback on the descendants of the people who put it in there.

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This one's really popular with immortal or {{undead}} antagonists, such as vengeful ghosts, liches, vampires, dragons, and Why the like, as well as many a SealedEvilInACan, whose first order of business upon getting out of the can person seeking vengeance is meting out some very nasty payback on targeting the descendants rather than the ones who originally did the wrong tends to vary, but it's usually due to the original offender not being alive enough to go after and make suffer. This is especially true of villains who are immortal or undead, or many a SealedEvilInACan. More often than not, this form of revenge is pursued by villains rather than heroes, since targeting someone other than the person who actually committed the wrong, and who may not have anything to do with it aside from being descended from the person who did is a good way to wind up on the wrong side of the people who put it in there.
RuleOfEmpathy.
11th Jan '17 6:53:25 AM Dravencour
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Frequently a BewilderingPunishment for the victim, though this trope is more likely than most to have the villain explain the offense to the victim. The villain may justify it on the grounds that the children profited by the original crime, particularly when they own something that belonged to the villain. Repeated instances of this occurring between two families in a tit-for-tat fashion may lead to full-blown FeudingFamilies.

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Frequently a BewilderingPunishment for the victim, though this trope is more likely than most to have the villain explain the offense to the victim. The villain may justify it on the grounds that the children profited by the original crime, particularly when they own something that belonged to the villain. Repeated instances of this occurring between two families in a tit-for-tat fashion may lead to a full-blown FeudingFamilies.
[[FeudingFamilies blood feud between them]].
10th Jan '17 11:48:01 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* The Yelnats family in Creator/LouisSachar's ''Literature/{{Holes}}'' is subject to a {{hereditary|Curse}} GypsyCurse after Elya Yelnats failed to hold up his end of a bargain with a UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} woman. [[spoiler:[[TheHero Stanley Yelnats]] inadvertently lifts the curse by saving the Romani woman's descendant.]]

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* The Yelnats family in Creator/LouisSachar's ''Literature/{{Holes}}'' is subject to a {{hereditary|Curse}} GypsyCurse after Elya Yelnats failed to hold up his end of a bargain with a UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} woman. [[spoiler:[[TheHero Stanley Yelnats]] inadvertently lifts the curse by saving the Romani woman's descendant.]]
2nd Jan '17 6:32:43 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* The controversial 2016 movie ''Film/HillarysAmerica'' contains [[InsaneTrollLogic quite a few accusations]] towards the Democratic Party (as in, the modern one) supporting [[UsefulNotes slavery]], [[TheKlan hate groups]], and [[UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement Jim Crow laws]], among other things, due to the stated political affiliations of historic figures who did.
1st Jan '17 8:17:56 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* {{Inverted|Trope}} in ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' with a family of humans hunting down the immortal Demona (and unfortunately [[FantasticRacism all her kind]]) for ''her'' sins.


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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'':
** The motives behind Demona's hatred of humans become this. Even though (as Goliath pointed out) everyone even ''remotely'' responsible for the Wynn massacre has been dead for centuries, she continues to blame humans for it.
** {{Inverted|Trope}}, however, with the Hunters; they blame Demona (and unfortunately [[FantasticRacism all her kind]]) for what she has ''personally'' done.
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