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5th Dec '16 3:06:27 PM Tightwire
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Staves tend to be the WeaponOfChoice among monks and others who, for moral, religious and/or ethical reasons, refuse to take a life, but for various reasons find themselves desiring a weapon. Anyone else interested in practicing combat skills is more interested in lethality, and so affix various pointy ends to their poles, making these implements a [[BladeOnAStick different kind of weapon entirely]]. Of course, some people take a middle path and conceal various nasty surprises in their staves.

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Staves tend to be the WeaponOfChoice among monks and others who, for moral, religious and/or ethical reasons, refuse to take a life, but for various reasons find themselves desiring requiring a weapon. method of defence. Anyone else interested in practicing practising combat skills is more interested in lethality, and so affix various pointy ends to their poles, making these implements a [[BladeOnAStick different kind of weapon entirely]]. Of course, some people take a middle path and conceal various nasty surprises in their staves.
17th Nov '16 7:58:07 PM wixo30
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** A single kierie is good, but two are better: [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguni_stick_fighting Nguni stick-fighting]] uses a defense- and an attack-stick. The amaXhosa go for wrapping the hand with the defense-stick in material to protect the knuckles clutching it in the middle; the amaZulu go for a small knuckle-shield/buckler based on their more famous larger shields. The attack-stick is held pretty much like a short sword. If you see a couple of boys of from about the age of ten carefully sizing up and selecting branches, they're probably about to practice this footwork-intense martial art. Used in everything from rough-housing to driving cattle to killing pests to waterfowl hunting (there are throwing moves you don't use in moderated fights).

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** A single kierie is good, but two are better: [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguni_stick_fighting Nguni stick-fighting]] uses a defense- and an attack-stick. The amaXhosa go for wrapping the hand with the defense-stick in material to protect the knuckles clutching it in the middle; the amaZulu go for a small knuckle-shield/buckler based on their more famous larger shields. The attack-stick is held pretty much like a short sword. If you see a couple of boys of from about the age of ten carefully sizing up and selecting branches, they're probably about to practice this footwork-intense martial art. Used in everything from rough-housing to driving cattle to killing pests to waterfowl hunting (there are throwing moves you don't use in moderated fights).
5th Nov '16 1:46:38 PM Stealth
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* Kilik from ''VideoGame/SoulCalibur''. He, along with his replacement Xiba and Maxi, is the only character in the series [[GuestFighter (besides Heihachi and custom characters)]] to use a blunt weapon. Talim's default weapon has a bladed edge, but a variation is blunt.

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* Kilik from ''VideoGame/SoulCalibur''. He, along with his replacement Xiba and Maxi, is the only character in the series [[GuestFighter (besides Heihachi and custom characters)]] to use a blunt weapon. Talim's Seong Mi-na's default weapon has a bladed edge, but a variation is blunt.
25th Oct '16 7:42:51 AM VPhantom
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* Agent 355 wields an expandable baton as a (somewhat) non-lethal alternative to her pistol in ''YTheLastMan''.

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* Agent 355 wields an expandable baton as a (somewhat) non-lethal alternative to her pistol in ''YTheLastMan''.''ComicBook/YTheLastMan''.



* Ben from ''Series/{{Lost}}'' prefers a telescopic baton (a homage to YTheLastMan, whose writer also writes for Lost), but he's not above using a gun if it's handy.

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* Ben from ''Series/{{Lost}}'' prefers a telescopic baton (a homage to YTheLastMan, ''ComicBook/YTheLastMan'', whose writer also writes for Lost), but he's not above using a gun if it's handy.
1st Oct '16 5:06:17 AM __Vano
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Many instead double as [[StaffOfAuthority symbols of station]], and thus feature elaborate headpieces -- of which the wisest choices are sturdy and heavy enough to serve in a fight. Some clever individuals have made staves out of hollow metal pieces that can collapse into a concealable weapon.

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Many instead double as [[StaffOfAuthority symbols of station]], status]] and thus feature elaborate headpieces -- of which the wisest choices are sturdy and heavy enough to serve in a fight. Some clever individuals have made staves out of hollow metal pieces that can collapse into a concealable weapon.
24th Sep '16 12:34:07 PM nombretomado
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* Eagle from ''StreetFighter'' uses escrima sticks in battle, and got an expanded moveset for them once he migrated into CapcomVsWhatever territory. Rolento also uses a stick, although it is more of a command baton rather than a weapon.

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* Eagle from ''StreetFighter'' uses escrima sticks in battle, and got an expanded moveset for them once he migrated into CapcomVsWhatever VideoGame/CapcomVsWhatever territory. Rolento also uses a stick, although it is more of a command baton rather than a weapon.
22nd Sep '16 9:38:29 AM Mitis
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* VideoGame/{{Furi}}: The Chain, the first boss, wields a plain iron staff as his weapon.
19th Sep '16 1:11:53 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** [[WoodenKatanasAreEvenBetter Bokken]] techniques would be better for the things mentioned above. Most common wooden things will more likely be closer to sword-length than full staff-length.
** Traditionally, there is no difference between bokken techniques and quarterstaff techniques in principle- both are attempts to emulate a sword with a length of wood. The quarterstaff is wielded like a Zweihander.
** The difference between a walking cane (or a snapped-off broomstick) and a hanbo is effectively nil. Hanbo are 35.4 inches in length (90 cm) in the modern tradition, about the distance from a man's ankle to hip. That being said, [[GrievousHarmWithABody you cannot wield a human leg as a staff.]] [[ComicallyMissingThePoint It'd bend at the knee.]]

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** [[WoodenKatanasAreEvenBetter Bokken]] techniques would be better for the things mentioned above. Most common wooden things will more likely be closer to sword-length than full staff-length.
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* Traditionally, there is no difference between bokken [[WoodenKatanasAreEvenBetter bokken]] techniques and quarterstaff techniques in principle- both are attempts to emulate a sword with a length of wood. The quarterstaff is wielded like a Zweihander.
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Zweihander. The difference between a walking cane (or a snapped-off broomstick) and a hanbo is effectively nil. Hanbo are 35.4 inches in length (90 cm) in the modern tradition, about the distance from a man's ankle to hip. That being said, [[GrievousHarmWithABody you cannot wield a human leg as a staff.]] [[ComicallyMissingThePoint It'd bend at the knee.]]
19th Sep '16 1:05:16 PM ChaoticNovelist
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A sub-trope of WeaponOfChoice.



Staves tend to be the WeaponOfChoice among monks and others who, for moral and/or ethical reasons, refuse to take a life, but for various reasons find themselves desiring a weapon. Anyone else interested in practicing combat skills is more interested in lethality, and so affix various pointy ends to their poles, making these implements a [[BladeOnAStick different kind of weapon entirely]]. Of course, some people take a middle path and conceal various nasty surprises in their staves.

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Staves tend to be the WeaponOfChoice among monks and others who, for moral moral, religious and/or ethical reasons, refuse to take a life, but for various reasons find themselves desiring a weapon. Anyone else interested in practicing combat skills is more interested in lethality, and so affix various pointy ends to their poles, making these implements a [[BladeOnAStick different kind of weapon entirely]]. Of course, some people take a middle path and conceal various nasty surprises in their staves.



When the fighters don't actually care as much about the injuries they inflict, or actively try to cause lots of injuries, perhaps the staff really ''is'' just a [[CarryABigStick long club]]. Or a [[BladeOnAStick spear]] without a spearhead.

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When the fighters don't actually care as much about the injuries they inflict, or actively try to cause lots of injuries, perhaps the staff really ''is'' just a [[CarryABigStick long club]]. Or club]], or a [[BladeOnAStick spear]] without a spearhead.



* Kento from ''Anime/RoninWarriors'' wields one.

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* Kento from ''Anime/RoninWarriors'' ''Anime/RoninWarriors'': The Ancient One wields one.a staff to do his priestly magic in contrast to the Ronins themselves who stick with BladeOnAStick.



* This trope also appears in Robert A. Heinlein's ''Literature/SixthColumn'', written back in the early 1940s. In that novel, the "priest's staves" were in reality AppliedPhlebotinum, both weapons and tools. They took the form of a ornately carved and gilded staff (that hid the controls in its gilding) surmounted by a cube of six colors (that concealed the generators/projectors) A backpack hidden under their clothing hid the power source.

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* This trope also appears in Robert A. Heinlein's ''Literature/SixthColumn'', written back in the early 1940s. In that novel, the "priest's staves" were in reality AppliedPhlebotinum, both weapons and tools. They took the form of a ornately carved and gilded staff (that hid the controls in its gilding) surmounted by a cube of six colors (that concealed the generators/projectors) A backpack hidden under their clothing hid the power source.



* In ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', wizards use magic staffs. Some of them are very old, handed down through generations, and may be made of different materials. Ridcully the Brown has one and it's the reason he doesn't use magic too often, because he's found that if something isn't intimidated by being walloped by six feet of solid oak, it probably won't be troubled too much by magic either. This proves useful on his second visit to magic-free [[Discworld/TheScienceOfDiscworld Roundworld]], where we actually see him trounce a native in a quarterstaff brawl.

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* In ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', wizards ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'',
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use magic staffs. Some of them are very old, handed down through generations, and may be made of different materials. Ridcully the Brown has one and it's the reason he doesn't use magic too often, because he's found that if something isn't intimidated by being walloped by six feet of solid oak, it probably won't be troubled too much by magic either. This proves useful on his second visit to magic-free [[Discworld/TheScienceOfDiscworld Roundworld]], where we actually see him trounce a native in a quarterstaff brawl.



* Mat Cauthon from the ''Literature/WheelOfTime'' books uses a staff as his favourite weapon, and is good enough with it that early in the series, he beat down two expert swordsmen in a demonstration bout. [[{{Badass}} At once]]. [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome While convalescing from a serious curse/illness]]. (The instructor of those swordsmen then reminded the class that the WheelOfTime's greatest swordsman in history was only ever beaten once... by a farmer with a quarterstaff.)
** Later on, he upgrades to a [[BladeOnAStick polearm]], but is still prone to using the haft as a staff against multiple opponents.
*** That's exactly how one uses a [[BladeOnAStick polearm]] when not in formation.
** Interestingly, Ishamael also wields a staff during his fight with Rand at the end of the second book. Rand stabs him in the chest, but he gives Rand his first WoundThatWillNotHeal in the process.

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* Mat Cauthon from the ''Literature/WheelOfTime'' books uses a staff as his favourite weapon, and is good enough with it that early in the series, he beat down two expert swordsmen in a demonstration bout. [[{{Badass}} At once]]. [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome While convalescing from a serious curse/illness]]. (The instructor of those swordsmen then reminded the class that the WheelOfTime's greatest swordsman in history was only ever beaten once... by a farmer with a quarterstaff.)
** Later on, he upgrades to a [[BladeOnAStick polearm]], but is still prone to using the haft as a staff against multiple opponents.
*** That's exactly how one uses a [[BladeOnAStick polearm]] when not in formation.
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) Interestingly, Ishamael also wields a staff during his fight with Rand at the end of the second book. Rand stabs him in the chest, but he gives Rand his first WoundThatWillNotHeal in the process.



* [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''. Royal guards tell Gandalf that he must leave behind all weapons if he wishes to meet the king, but Gandalf counters, "You wouldn't deny an old man his walking stick, would you?". Of course, his walking stick is actually a MagicStaff, which he uses to break Grí­ma Wormtongue's spell over the king.
** Though what he actually appears to do with it is to magically darken the room and simply knock Wormtongue out, so he can speak to the King directly. In the book, Théoden isn't under an actual magical spell, but simply under the thumb of a twisted advisor who exploits his fears and uses subtle poisons to make him feel weak and powerless.
* For order-mages in the [[Literature/SagaOfRecluce Recluce Saga]], staves aren't simply the weapon of choice, they're pretty much the only possible weapon. Bladed implements like swords, knives and the like (basically, anything designed with death and destruction in mind) causes pain and discomfort in an order mage, since these things are linked with chaos magic. The staff is inherently non-lethal in nature, and can be used defensively more or less indefinitely. For this reason most order-mages wind up carrying a staff (or in one notable case, a truncheon). While the staff can be used to injure or kill as well (and does have the noted pain-inducing effects in the order-mage wielding it), it is not specifically designed for this purpose, and is thus comparatively safe to use, whereas some order-mages feel ill even just ''holding'' a sword.

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* [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''. Royal guards tell Gandalf that he must leave behind all weapons if he wishes to meet the king, but Gandalf counters, "You wouldn't deny an old man his walking stick, would you?". Of course, his walking stick is actually a MagicStaff, which he uses to break Grí­ma Wormtongue's spell over the king.
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king. Though what he actually appears to do with it is to magically darken the room and simply knock Wormtongue out, so he can speak to the King directly. In the book, Théoden isn't under an actual magical spell, but simply under the thumb of a twisted advisor who exploits his fears and uses subtle poisons to make him feel weak and powerless.
* For order-mages in the [[Literature/SagaOfRecluce Recluce Saga]], staves aren't simply the weapon of choice, they're pretty much the only possible weapon. Bladed implements like swords, knives and the like (basically, anything designed with death and destruction in mind) causes pain and discomfort in an order mage, since these things are linked with chaos magic. The staff is inherently non-lethal in nature, and can be used defensively more or less indefinitely. For this reason most order-mages wind up carrying a staff (or in one notable case, a truncheon). While the staff can be used to injure or kill as well (and does have the noted pain-inducing effects in the order-mage wielding it), it is not specifically designed for this purpose, and is thus comparatively safe to use, whereas some order-mages feel ill even just ''holding'' a sword.


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*''Literature/JourneyToChaos'':
**The quarterstaff is likely the most popular weapon in the Dragon's Lair company. Two of its squads use them for magical combat, one for physical combat , and then a fourth does both.
**Annala Enaz adds a quarterstaff to her arsenal after [[spoiler: becoming a chaos priestess.]]
1st Sep '16 6:32:54 PM ChrisX
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* The aforementioned Wukong appear also in several MOBA games like ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' and ''VideoGame/{{Smite}}''. And yes, both cases, he comes with his staff as his main repertoire. His staff is also referenced in ''VideoGame/DefenseOfTheAncients'', while Wukong himself doesn't appear in the game, there's an item called 'Monkey King Bar', which is obviously a reference to his staff.

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* The aforementioned Wukong appear also in several MOBA games like ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' and ''VideoGame/{{Smite}}''. And yes, both cases, he comes with his staff as his main repertoire. His staff is also referenced in ''VideoGame/DefenseOfTheAncients'', while Wukong himself doesn't appear in the game, there's an item called 'Monkey King Bar', which is obviously a reference to his staff. Eventually, this Wukong becomes PromotedToPlayable in ''VideoGame/{{Dota 2}}'' and he's still carrying the staff, which becomes doubly ironic that he has his Monkey King Bar already, but still can buy a new one.
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