History Main / SillyRabbitIdealismIsforKids

12th Feb '18 1:08:21 AM Cryoclaste
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* In ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'', TheLorax is taught by "that marketing whore" the Moolah that profit is more important than trying to impart an educational message. Literature/TheCatInTheHat, [[HortonHearsAWho Horton]] and the Sneetches all express similar sentiments.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'', TheLorax is taught by "that marketing whore" the Moolah that profit is more important than trying to impart an educational message. Literature/TheCatInTheHat, [[HortonHearsAWho [[Literature/HortonHearsAWho Horton]] and the Sneetches all express similar sentiments.
9th Feb '18 9:48:04 AM ultimomant
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* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': Almost every character, even the people he saves, are often completely baffled that [[TheHero Touma Kamijou]] will help anyone who needs it and interfere with problems that have nothing to do with him, not expecting any reward or fame, but just because he feels it is right and he believes anyone else in his situation would do the same.
* This is Kyosuke Munakata's feelings towards Makoto Naegi in ''Anime/DanganRonpa3''. He feels that Makoto's methods of dealing with despair (rehabilitation) are too soft, and that the only way to defeat despair is to eradicate it completely (i.e., murder anyone who might be remotely connected to despair).



* This is Kyosuke Munakata's feelings towards Makoto Naegi in ''Anime/DanganRonpa3''. He feels that Makoto's methods of dealing with despair (rehabilitation) are too soft, and that the only way to defeat despair is to eradicate it completely (i.e., murder anyone who might be remotely connected to despair).
* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': Almost every character, even the people he saves, are often completely baffled that [[TheHero Touma Kamijou]] will help anyone who needs it and interfere with problems that have nothing to do with him, not expecting any reward or fame, but just because he feels it is right and he believes anyone else in his situation would do the same.
9th Feb '18 9:44:46 AM ultimomant
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* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': Almost every character, even the people he saves, are often completely baffled that [[TheHero Touma Kamijou]] will help anyone who needs it and interfere with problems that have nothing to do with him, not expecting any reward or fame, but just because he feels it is right and he believes anyone else in his situation would do the same.
6th Feb '18 6:26:19 AM nmn3r3
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* This is Kyosuke Munakata's feelings towards Makoto Naegi in ''Anime/DanganRonpa3''. He feels that Makoto's methods of dealing with despair are too soft, and that the only way to defeat despair is to eradicate it completely.

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* This is Kyosuke Munakata's feelings towards Makoto Naegi in ''Anime/DanganRonpa3''. He feels that Makoto's methods of dealing with despair (rehabilitation) are too soft, and that the only way to defeat despair is to eradicate it completely.completely (i.e., murder anyone who might be remotely connected to despair).
30th Jan '18 8:21:51 AM StarSong212
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* "I May Not Awaken", arguably one of Music/{{Enya}}'s [[TearJerker saddest songs]]. The narrator comes to this conclusion about halfway through, promptly throwing her over the DespairEventHorizon.
4th Nov '17 11:55:10 PM Rissis
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* In the ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' episode "Heroes and Monsters", Ruby Rose, despite being on the ropes, is still determined to be the hero, save the day and stop Roman Torchwick and the other bad guys from wrecking Vale. Torchwick laughs that off and tells her that if she still wants to be the hero, then she should just roll over and die like every other Huntsman in history. He proceeds to tell her that this world has no room for her type of idealism, that it should die along with her and he'll keep doing what he does best - "lie, cheat, steal and survive!" [[spoiler:A split second later, a Griffin Grimm gives him the ultimate ShutUpHannibal by [[SwallowedWhole eating him]].]] Adam Taurus tells Blake Belladonna the same thing in the same episode: when she tells him that she wanted peace and equality for the Faunus races, Adam roars out that "What you wanted ''is impossible!''"

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* In the ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' episode "Heroes and Monsters", Ruby Rose, despite being on the ropes, is still determined to be the hero, save the day and stop Roman Torchwick and the other bad guys from wrecking Vale. Torchwick laughs that off and tells her that if she still wants to be the hero, then she should just roll over and die like every other Huntsman in history. He proceeds to tell her that this world has no room for her type of idealism, that it should die along with her and he'll keep doing what he does best - "lie, cheat, steal and survive!" [[spoiler:A split second later, a Griffin Grimm gives him the ultimate ShutUpHannibal by [[SwallowedWhole eating him]].]] Adam Taurus tells Blake Belladonna the same thing in the same episode: when she tells him that she wanted peace and equality for the Faunus races, Adam roars out that "What you wanted want ''is impossible!''"
1st Nov '17 7:17:58 AM RandomnessUnlimited
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Kaeloo}}'': Happens all too often with Mr. Cat and Kaeloo. Kaeloo's optimism is usually crushed when she gets a dose of the real world, with Mr. Cat telling her "IToldYouSo".
19th Aug '17 5:34:02 PM Franco-America2018
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** This being a classic real-world example of why the gap between idealism and cynicism is actually a literal gray area in which a lot depends on the outcome. A third-party movement that ''succeeds'' can be an improvement on either party, at least in theory, from the POV of the third-party voters. But if not enough people join in the net result is often to bring about victory for precisely the party that the third-party voters would consider the worse option. Republicans see the conservatives who voted for Perot as people who effectively elected Clinton, and Democrats often say that the green in 'green party' stands for [[FunWithAcronyms Getting Republicans Elected Every November]]. Hence, third parties these days tend to be in favor of things like ranked-choice voting[[note]]which almost surprisedly know cities throughout the United States like San Francisco or Minneapolis and then-recently Maine (even against odds of fight to keep in effect for months by Maine Supreme Court ruling as Unconstitutional in state level) adopted the system within last two decades to get rid spoiler effect, But problem it's way take while due [[StrawmanNewsMedia news media]] still [[PropagandaMachine propagated]] people to vote Democrat or Republican by out ''fear' instead ideological purposes to back them[[/note]] or approval voting to try getting break this effect.

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** This being a classic real-world example of why the gap between idealism and cynicism is actually a literal gray area in which a lot depends on the outcome. A third-party movement that ''succeeds'' can be an improvement on either party, at least in theory, from the POV of the third-party voters. But if not enough people join in the net result is often to bring about victory for precisely the party that the third-party voters would consider the worse option. Republicans see the conservatives who voted for Perot as people who effectively elected Clinton, and Democrats often say that the green in 'green party' stands for [[FunWithAcronyms Getting Republicans Elected Every November]]. Hence, third parties these days tend to be in favor of things like ranked-choice voting[[note]]which almost surprisedly know cities throughout the United States like San Francisco or Minneapolis and then-recently Maine (even against odds of fight to keep in effect for months by Maine Supreme Court ruling as Unconstitutional in state level) adopted the system within last two decades to get rid spoiler effect, But problem it's way take while due [[StrawmanNewsMedia news media]] still [[PropagandaMachine propagated]] people to vote Democrat or Republican by out ''fear' ''fear'' instead ideological purposes to back them[[/note]] or approval voting to try getting break this effect.
19th Aug '17 5:31:02 PM Franco-America2018
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** This being a classic real-world example of why the gap between idealism and cynicism is actually a literal gray area in which a lot depends on the outcome. A third-party movement that ''succeeds'' can be an improvement on either party, at least in theory, from the POV of the third-party voters. But if not enough people join in the net result is often to bring about victory for precisely the party that the third-party voters would consider the worse option. Republicans see the conservatives who voted for Perot as people who effectively elected Clinton, and Democrats often say that the green in 'green party' stands for [[FunWithAcronyms Getting Republicans Elected Every November]]. Hence, third parties these days tend to be in favor of things like ranked-choice voting[[note]]which almost surprisedly know cities throughout the United States like San Francisco or Minneapolis and then-recently Maine adopted the system within two decades to get rid spoiler effect, But it's way take while due [[StrawmanNewsMedia news media]] will still [[PropagandaMachine propagated]] people to vote Democrat or Republican[[/note]] or approval voting to try getting break this effect.
** The mathematics work out this way because American elections work on the basis of a simple ''pure'' plurality[[note]]which is 'First Past The Post' voting system of doing that and becoming hot topic in countries of having this ''very'' long time like the United States and the United Kingdom are worried this becoming too beneficial for centre-right parties in recent decades[[/note]]. So if 3% of the voters vote for whom they perceive to be the best party while 48% vote for the second-best and 49% vote for the worst (again, labels are as perceived by the 3% and maybe part of the 48%), well, NiceJobBreakingItHero. The trick here is that altering the election system would require the cooperation of the party or parties in charge, and it's always in their best interest to keep third-parties as shutout means as possible.

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** This being a classic real-world example of why the gap between idealism and cynicism is actually a literal gray area in which a lot depends on the outcome. A third-party movement that ''succeeds'' can be an improvement on either party, at least in theory, from the POV of the third-party voters. But if not enough people join in the net result is often to bring about victory for precisely the party that the third-party voters would consider the worse option. Republicans see the conservatives who voted for Perot as people who effectively elected Clinton, and Democrats often say that the green in 'green party' stands for [[FunWithAcronyms Getting Republicans Elected Every November]]. Hence, third parties these days tend to be in favor of things like ranked-choice voting[[note]]which almost surprisedly know cities throughout the United States like San Francisco or Minneapolis and then-recently Maine (even against odds of fight to keep in effect for months by Maine Supreme Court ruling as Unconstitutional in state level) adopted the system within last two decades to get rid spoiler effect, But problem it's way take while due [[StrawmanNewsMedia news media]] will still [[PropagandaMachine propagated]] people to vote Democrat or Republican[[/note]] Republican by out ''fear' instead ideological purposes to back them[[/note]] or approval voting to try getting break this effect.
** The mathematics work out this way because American elections work on the basis of a simple ''pure'' plurality[[note]]which is 'First Past The Post' voting system of capable doing that and becoming notorious hot topic in countries of having this system ''very'' long time like aforementioned the United States and the United Kingdom are worried this becoming too beneficial for centre-right parties in recent decades[[/note]]. So if 3% of the voters vote for whom they perceive to be the best party while 48% vote for the second-best and 49% vote for the worst (again, labels are as perceived by the 3% and maybe part of the 48%), well, NiceJobBreakingItHero. The trick here is that altering the election system would require the cooperation of the party or parties in charge, and it's always in their best interest to keep third-parties as shutout means as possible.
9th Aug '17 8:25:49 PM Nicoaln
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* More sentiments of this trope that have been found inside and outside of this wiki have been found in how people used to perceive DarkerAndEdgier as more "mature" while LighterAndSofter was less mature. On this wiki, people used to cite CerebusSyndrome and the progression towards DarkerAndEdgier as part of GrowingTheBeard while ReverseCerebusSyndrome and LighterAndSofter were often filed under SeasonalRot. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And then there was the talk about how darker works were seen as more mature and more "adult" like]] and the flame wars ''they'' caused.
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