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* In ''VideoGame/LiveALive'', the former hero Hash has this attitude; he despises people in general for forgetting him after he saved the day, and considers idealistic heroes [[spoiler:like Oersted]] to be stupid. He recants his position [[RedemptionEqualsDeath at the end]], though, and tells [[spoiler:Oersted]] to keep fighting so long as any one person believes in him. [[spoiler:But when the world curbstomps Oersted's idealism too, [[OmnicidalManiac Oersted decides to get revenge.]].]]

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* In ''VideoGame/LiveALive'', the former hero Hash has this attitude; he despises people Subverted in general for forgetting him after he saved the day, and considers idealistic heroes [[spoiler:like Oersted]] to be stupid. He recants his position [[RedemptionEqualsDeath at the end]], though, and tells [[spoiler:Oersted]] to keep fighting so long ''VideoGame/BackyardSports'' with pretty much every character in there. They may have grown up, but, fortunately they're just as any one person believes in him. [[spoiler:But happy as they were when the world curbstomps Oersted's idealism too, [[OmnicidalManiac Oersted decides to get revenge.]].]]they were younger kids (maybe even more.)



* In ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', [[KnightInSourArmor Keisuke]] winds up playing reluctant mentor to [[GenkiGirl Midori]]; she refuses to listen to his warnings partly because he feels this way. Over time, he grows more desperate to convince her ''and'' more cynical, until [[spoiler: he [[FreakOut snaps]] and goes KnightTemplar. This doesn't help convince her that he's ''right'', mind you.]]
* This exchange in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''.
-->'''Protagonist''': What could the teyrn hope to gain by betraying the king?\\
'''Alistair''': The throne? He's the queen's father. Still, I can't see how he'll get away with murder.\\
'''Flemeth''': You speak as if he would be the first king to gain his throne that way. Grow up, boy.



* From ''VideoGame/JakXCombatRacing'':
-->'''Jak''': [[ThePowerOfFriendship I've found out who]] [[TrueCompanions my real friends are]].\\
'''G.T. Blitz''': [[EvilCannotComprehendGood Oh please, the BS meter is really pegging now!]]
* In ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', [[KnightInSourArmor Keisuke]] winds up playing reluctant mentor to [[GenkiGirl Midori]]; she refuses to listen to his warnings partly because he feels this way. Over time, he grows more desperate to convince her ''and'' more cynical, until [[spoiler: he [[FreakOut snaps]] and goes KnightTemplar. This doesn't help convince her that he's ''right'', mind you.]]



* [[http://www.zeldauniverse.net/articles/zelda-wii-needs-an-anti-hero/ This article]] claims that, since ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'' went with a realistic art style, Nintendo ought to have made Link more "realistic", namely, by turning him into an antihero. The author's argument hinges in large part on his assertion that people were "[[FanDumb very disappointed]]" with ''Twilight Princess'' because the realistic art style supposedly ought to have been paired with a non-idealistic hero. The article became HilariousInHindsight because, a mere three days later, ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' was revealed with an art style that was decidedly less realistic than the one in ''Twilight Princess'', with a Link who is just as much of a normal hero as both the one in ''Twilight Princess'' and every other Link.
* In ''VideoGame/LANoire'', veteran Vice Detective [[NobleBigotWithABadge Roy Earle]] says this to [[ByTheBookCop Cole Phelps]] when they discuss the crack down (or lack thereof) on illegal narcotics in the city.
--> '''Roy''': Drugs are prohibited. Doesn't mean people don't want to take them. Limiting supply doesn't mean that we have limited demand.\\
'''Cole''': I understand that. I know that the average Joe needs to unwind a little, let his hair down at the end of the week. But morphine? Heroin?\\
'''Roy''': It's important to demonize hop, Phelps. Looks good in the papers. But when all's said and done, it's just another chemical like booze. A lot of people in high places think we are doing the city a favor by keeping the dope rolling into Central Avenue. Donelly certainly believes we need to keep them anesthetized.\\
'''Cole''': Better jobs and opportunities would go a lot further.\\
'''Roy''': Will you listen to yourself?
* Subverted in ''VideoGame/BackyardSports'' with pretty much every character in there. They may have grown up, but, fortunately they're just as happy as they were when they were younger kids (maybe even more.)
* This exchange in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''.
-->'''Protagonist''': What could the teyrn hope to gain by betraying the king?\\
'''Alistair''': The throne? He's the queen's father. Still, I can't see how he'll get away with murder.\\
'''Flemeth''': You speak as if he would be the first king to gain his throne that way. Grow up, boy.

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* [[http://www.zeldauniverse.net/articles/zelda-wii-needs-an-anti-hero/ This article]] Cody Travers from ''VideoGame/FinalFight'' and later the ''VideoGame/StreetFighter'' series. While it is not actually seen in the games, multiple games tell the story of his downfall, which occur after the ending of the original Final Fight. Cody and his friends go out to save his girlfriend from the ''BigBad'' in Final Fight. On the way, [[BeatEmUp he beats up]] a corrupt cop named Edi, who later arrests the hero for assault in battery. Next, his girlfriend dumps him, and [[PutOnABus leaves the country to study abroad]]. Afterwards, he is let out of jail and tries to get revenge by fighting criminals outside. He gets arrested again, and [[DespairEventHorizon becomes addicted to fighting within prison]]. He then eventually breaks out, and joins the Street Fighting cast in their tournament(s). He usually fights alongside his [[TheLancer best friend Guy]] (who also comes from the final fight series), who is always telling Cody that he is a good person. Cody, however, usually claims that, since ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'' went with a realistic art style, Nintendo ought to have made Link more "realistic", namely, by turning him into an antihero. The author's argument hinges in large part on his assertion that people were "[[FanDumb very disappointed]]" with ''Twilight Princess'' because the realistic art style supposedly ought to have been paired with a non-idealistic hero. The article became HilariousInHindsight because, a mere three days later, ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' was revealed with an art style that was decidedly less realistic than the one in ''Twilight Princess'', with a Link who is just as much of a normal hero as both the one in ''Twilight Princess'' and every other Link.
* In ''VideoGame/LANoire'', veteran Vice Detective [[NobleBigotWithABadge Roy Earle]] says this to [[ByTheBookCop Cole Phelps]] when they discuss the crack down (or lack thereof) on illegal narcotics in the city.
--> '''Roy''': Drugs are prohibited. Doesn't mean people don't want to take them. Limiting supply doesn't mean that we have limited demand.\\
'''Cole''': I understand that. I know that the average Joe needs to unwind a little, let his hair down at the end of the week. But morphine? Heroin?\\
'''Roy''': It's important to demonize hop, Phelps. Looks good in the papers. But when all's said and done, it's just another chemical like booze. A lot of people in high places think we are doing the city a favor by keeping the dope rolling into Central Avenue. Donelly certainly believes we need to keep them anesthetized.\\
'''Cole''': Better jobs and opportunities would go a lot further.\\
'''Roy''': Will you listen to yourself?
* Subverted in ''VideoGame/BackyardSports'' with pretty much every character in there. They may have grown up, but, fortunately they're just as happy as they were when they were younger kids (maybe even more.)
* This exchange in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''.
-->'''Protagonist''': What could the teyrn hope to gain by betraying the king?\\
'''Alistair''': The throne? He's the queen's father. Still, I can't see how he'll get away with murder.\\
'''Flemeth''': You speak as if
he would will never be the first king to gain his throne hero again, and often states that way. Grow up, boy.all he has left is fighting (which he often exclaims is pointless).



* Keeper, the boss of the Imperial Agent class in ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' takes this attitude to Agents who make too many Light Side choices. Not so much that he disapproves in principle, but that he fears that idealism will cause the agent to burn-out.

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* Keeper, From ''VideoGame/JakXCombatRacing'':
-->'''Jak''': [[ThePowerOfFriendship I've found out who]] [[TrueCompanions my real friends are]].\\
'''G.T. Blitz''': [[EvilCannotComprehendGood Oh please,
the boss BS meter is really pegging now!]]
* In ''VideoGame/LANoire'', veteran Vice Detective [[NobleBigotWithABadge Roy Earle]] says this to [[ByTheBookCop Cole Phelps]] when they discuss the crack down (or lack thereof) on illegal narcotics in the city.
--> '''Roy''': Drugs are prohibited. Doesn't mean people don't want to take them. Limiting supply doesn't mean that we have limited demand.\\
'''Cole''': I understand that. I know that the average Joe needs to unwind a little, let his hair down at the end
of the Imperial Agent class week. But morphine? Heroin?\\
'''Roy''': It's important to demonize hop, Phelps. Looks good
in ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' takes the papers. But when all's said and done, it's just another chemical like booze. A lot of people in high places think we are doing the city a favor by keeping the dope rolling into Central Avenue. Donelly certainly believes we need to keep them anesthetized.\\
'''Cole''': Better jobs and opportunities would go a lot further.\\
'''Roy''': Will you listen to yourself?
* [[http://www.zeldauniverse.net/articles/zelda-wii-needs-an-anti-hero/ This article]] claims that, since ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'' went with a realistic art style, Nintendo ought to have made Link more "realistic", namely, by turning him into an antihero. The author's argument hinges in large part on his assertion that people were "[[FanDumb very disappointed]]" with ''Twilight Princess'' because the realistic art style supposedly ought to have been paired with a non-idealistic hero. The article became HilariousInHindsight because, a mere three days later, ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' was revealed with an art style that was decidedly less realistic than the one in ''Twilight Princess'', with a Link who is just as much of a normal hero as both the one in ''Twilight Princess'' and every other Link.
* In ''VideoGame/LiveALive'', the former hero Hash has
this attitude attitude; he despises people in general for forgetting him after he saved the day, and considers idealistic heroes [[spoiler:like Oersted]] to Agents who make too many Light Side choices. Not be stupid. He recants his position [[RedemptionEqualsDeath at the end]], though, and tells [[spoiler:Oersted]] to keep fighting so much that he disapproves long as any one person believes in principle, but that he fears that him. [[spoiler:But when the world curbstomps Oersted's idealism will cause the agent too, [[OmnicidalManiac Oersted decides to burn-out.get revenge.]].]]



* Cody Travers from ''VideoGame/FinalFight'' and later the ''VideoGame/StreetFighter'' series. While it is not actually seen in the games, multiple games tell the story of his downfall, which occur after the ending of the original Final Fight. Cody and his friends go out to save his girlfriend from the ''BigBad'' in Final Fight. On the way, [[BeatEmUp he beats up]] a corrupt cop named Edi, who later arrests the hero for assault in battery. Next, his girlfriend dumps him, and [[PutOnABus leaves the country to study abroad]]. Afterwards, he is let out of jail and tries to get revenge by fighting criminals outside. He gets arrested again, and [[DespairEventHorizon becomes addicted to fighting within prison]]. He then eventually breaks out, and joins the Street Fighting cast in their tournament(s). He usually fights alongside his [[TheLancer best friend Guy]] (who also comes from the final fight series), who is always telling Cody that he is a good person. Cody, however, usually claims that he will never be the hero again, and often states that all he has left is fighting (which he often exclaims is pointless).

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* Cody Travers from ''VideoGame/FinalFight'' and later Keeper, the ''VideoGame/StreetFighter'' series. While it is not actually seen in the games, multiple games tell the story of his downfall, which occur after the ending boss of the original Final Fight. Cody and his friends go out Imperial Agent class in ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' takes this attitude to save his girlfriend from the ''BigBad'' in Final Fight. On the way, [[BeatEmUp he beats up]] a corrupt cop named Edi, Agents who later arrests the hero for assault in battery. Next, his girlfriend dumps him, and [[PutOnABus leaves the country to study abroad]]. Afterwards, he is let out of jail and tries to get revenge by fighting criminals outside. He gets arrested again, and [[DespairEventHorizon becomes addicted to fighting within prison]]. He then eventually breaks out, and joins the Street Fighting cast in their tournament(s). He usually fights alongside his [[TheLancer best friend Guy]] (who also comes from the final fight series), who is always telling Cody make too many Light Side choices. Not so much that he is a good person. Cody, however, usually claims disapproves in principle, but that he fears that idealism will never be cause the hero again, and often states that all he has left is fighting (which he often exclaims is pointless).agent to burn-out.
16th May '16 3:09:15 AM WillBGood
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* In James Stoddard's ''The High House'', Murmur rebukes Duskin for wanting to join in the defense of the house; his father would have, but that * In Creator/GeneStrattonPorter's ''Michael O'Halloran'', when Douglas rejects an offical position, he gets this.

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* In James Stoddard's ''The High House'', Murmur rebukes Duskin for wanting to join in the defense of the house; his father would have, but that was idealism of youth, which he never outgrew.
* In Creator/GeneStrattonPorter's ''Michael O'Halloran'', when Douglas rejects an offical position, he gets this.



was idealism of youth, which he never outgrew.



* When Sasha Monroe from ''Series/ThirdWatch'' points out Tyrone Davis Jr's shady police tactics and how it contributes to innocent black men going to jail, he put his hand up to her face and says "Don't preach to me."
** Interestingly enough, Ty refused to believe his father was corrupt, yet he's going down [[GenerationXerox the same slippery slope]].



* Tess Mercer from ''Series/{{Smallville}}'' gives Oliver Queen the whole "I grew up" line.
** Although this can be described as SillyRabbitRomanceIsForKids.
** A bit of both; she also uses it as an explanation of how she went from [[GranolaGirl an environmentally crusading marine biologist]] to [[CorruptCorporateExecutive the head of Luthorcorp]].

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* Tess Mercer from ''Series/{{Smallville}}'' gives Oliver Queen In ''Series/{{Castle}}'', Detective Kate Beckett has been jaded, cynical and bitter ever since her mother was murdered when Kate was a teenager and the whole "I grew up" line.
** Although this can be described
murder was never solved. Her CharacterDevelopment -- helped along by her increased tolerance of, friendship with and feelings for immature and optimistic ManChild Richard Castle -- has largely been centred around reawakening her optimism and hope for the future; as SillyRabbitRomanceIsForKids.
** A bit of both;
evidence, simply compare [[WhenSheSmiles how much she also uses it smiles]] in any given episode of season one as an explanation opposed to any given episode of how she went from [[GranolaGirl an environmentally crusading marine biologist]] to [[CorruptCorporateExecutive the head of Luthorcorp]].season five.



* Ned in ''PushingDaisies'' gives "I grew up" as the answer to why he no longer likes Halloween. He's lying, though.
* Miss Parker from ''ThePretender'', complete with the obligatory "What happened to you?" "I grew up" conversation in the first episode.
** [[WideEyedIdealist Jared]] spends a reasonable amount of time throughout the series trying to [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers revert her, however.]]
* ''Series/LawAndOrder'' loves to rub the viewers' face into the political version of this trope. Then there's [[BaseBreaker Abbie Carmichael]] who is this trope personified.
* Series/{{House}} is a firm believer of this, his personal mantra being "[[ArcWords Everybody lies]]".
* When [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Captain Archer]] returned to Earth after the events of [[StoryArc Season]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone 3]], where he carried a team of SpaceMarines, resorted to [[SpacePirates piracy]], [[WarIsHell killed unarmed aliens manning a listening post]], lost several crew members, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking went back in time]], he has taken this attitude. The other members of Earth's Starfleet, who are bursting with Roddenberrian enthusiasm for space travel, are deeply concerned as he talks about the importance of better arming ships and warfighting over exploring. They are convinced he's simply cynical, but he can't help but think that being more cynical may have saved some of his crew. It ''does'' reminds Starfleet that there are civilizations out there who wants nothing more than to [[spoiler: blow Earth up]].



* Sir Humphrey has managed to reduce this to a simple aphorism in ''YesMinister'':
--> ''"A cynic is a what an idealist calls a realist."''
* In ''Series/{{Merlin}}'', when the title character refuses to save Mordred's life because he's destined to kill Arthur, Gaius asks what happened to the young boy who first arrived in his chambers. Merlin replies, "He grew up. [[IDidWhatIHadToDo And learnt the meaning of duty]]."
* The ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'' episode "My Brother, Where Art Thou" is about this. After 3 of years of working at the hospital and due to Dr. Cox's influence, JD, who was originally introduced as a WideEyedIdealist, has become a lot more cynical. His brother Dan, who has come to visit, is shocked by this and doesn't like the change. He tells Dr. Cox that he knows JD will never look up to him, but that he does to Dr. Cox, so he should work at being a better {{mentor}}. Surprisingly, Dr. Cox accepts his point and resolves to take the role more seriously.



* In ''Series/{{Castle}}'', Detective Kate Beckett has been jaded, cynical and bitter ever since her mother was murdered when Kate was a teenager and the murder was never solved. Her CharacterDevelopment -- helped along by her increased tolerance of, friendship with and feelings for immature and optimistic ManChild Richard Castle -- has largely been centred around reawakening her optimism and hope for the future; as evidence, simply compare [[WhenSheSmiles how much she smiles]] in any given episode of season one as opposed to any given episode of season five.

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* Series/{{House}} is a firm believer of this, his personal mantra being "[[ArcWords Everybody lies]]".
* ''Series/LawAndOrder'' loves to rub the viewers' face into the political version of this trope. Then there's [[BaseBreaker Abbie Carmichael]] who is this trope personified.
* In ''Series/{{Castle}}'', Detective Kate Beckett has been jaded, cynical and bitter ever since her mother was murdered ''Series/{{Merlin}}'', when Kate was a teenager and the murder was never solved. Her CharacterDevelopment -- helped along by her increased tolerance of, friendship title character refuses to save Mordred's life because he's destined to kill Arthur, Gaius asks what happened to the young boy who first arrived in his chambers. Merlin replies, "He grew up. [[IDidWhatIHadToDo And learnt the meaning of duty]]."
* Miss Parker from ''ThePretender'', complete
with and feelings for immature and optimistic ManChild Richard Castle -- has largely been centred around reawakening her optimism and hope for the future; obligatory "What happened to you?" "I grew up" conversation in the first episode.
** [[WideEyedIdealist Jared]] spends a reasonable amount of time throughout the series trying to [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers revert her, however.]]
* Ned in ''PushingDaisies'' gives "I grew up"
as evidence, simply compare [[WhenSheSmiles how much she smiles]] in any given the answer to why he no longer likes Halloween. He's lying, though.
* The ''Series/{{Scrubs}}''
episode "My Brother, Where Art Thou" is about this. After 3 of season one years of working at the hospital and due to Dr. Cox's influence, JD, who was originally introduced as opposed a WideEyedIdealist, has become a lot more cynical. His brother Dan, who has come to any given episode of season five.visit, is shocked by this and doesn't like the change. He tells Dr. Cox that he knows JD will never look up to him, but that he does to Dr. Cox, so he should work at being a better {{mentor}}. Surprisingly, Dr. Cox accepts his point and resolves to take the role more seriously.



* Tess Mercer from ''Series/{{Smallville}}'' gives Oliver Queen the whole "I grew up" line.
** Although this can be described as SillyRabbitRomanceIsForKids.
** A bit of both; she also uses it as an explanation of how she went from [[GranolaGirl an environmentally crusading marine biologist]] to [[CorruptCorporateExecutive the head of Luthorcorp]].
* ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'': When Captain Archer returned to Earth after the events of [[StoryArc Season]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone 3]], where he carried a team of SpaceMarines, resorted to [[SpacePirates piracy]], [[WarIsHell killed unarmed aliens manning a listening post]], lost several crew members, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking went back in time]], he has taken this attitude. The other members of Earth's Starfleet, who are bursting with Roddenberrian enthusiasm for space travel, are deeply concerned as he talks about the importance of better arming ships and warfighting over exploring. They are convinced he's simply cynical, but he can't help but think that being more cynical may have saved some of his crew. It ''does'' reminds Starfleet that there are civilizations out there who wants nothing more than to [[spoiler: blow Earth up]].
* When Sasha Monroe from ''Series/ThirdWatch'' points out Tyrone Davis Jr's shady police tactics and how it contributes to innocent black men going to jail, he put his hand up to her face and says "Don't preach to me."
** Interestingly enough, Ty refused to believe his father was corrupt, yet he's going down [[GenerationXerox the same slippery slope]].
* Sir Humphrey has managed to reduce this to a simple aphorism in ''YesMinister'':
--> ''"A cynic is a what an idealist calls a realist."''



* Happened with pseudo-anarchist folk/punk band Levellers. Their early albums were all 'times are tough but if we work together we can get past Thatcher and have a time of peace and joy and happiness'. Now, twenty or so years later their songs seem to mostly be about how the world sucks and we're all screwed.



* The Jam in "Burning Sky", though that was meant to be from the viewpoint of a character who'd embraced the capitalist system.
* Both played straight and subverted with AvrilLavigne. Her first album, made when she was just a teenager, was a poppy, punky teen fest, and "Sk8er Boi" became a hit song among preteens. Two years later and she abandoned the "immaturity" for wagnst and cynicism. Three years after that, and she's a teenager again! But now, she's put out a soft rock/acoustic album, making this a ZigZaggedTrope.



* The Jam in "Burning Sky", though that was meant to be from the viewpoint of a character who'd embraced the capitalist system.
* Both played straight and subverted with AvrilLavigne. Her first album, made when she was just a teenager, was a poppy, punky teen fest, and "Sk8er Boi" became a hit song among preteens. Two years later and she abandoned the "immaturity" for wagnst and cynicism. Three years after that, and she's a teenager again! But now, she's put out a soft rock/acoustic album, making this a ZigZaggedTrope.
* Happened with pseudo-anarchist folk/punk band Levellers. Their early albums were all 'times are tough but if we work together we can get past Thatcher and have a time of peace and joy and happiness'. Now, twenty or so years later their songs seem to mostly be about how the world sucks and we're all screwed.
* {{Oasis}}' "Fade Away".



* {{Oasis}}' "Fade Away".



* From ''{{RENT}}'': "What happened to Benny? What happened to his heart, and the ideals he once pursued?"



* In ''Vanities'', Kathy learns the hard way, after losing her boyfriend and her nervous breakdown, that her idea of "an organized life" doesn't work well in adulthood. Then the cast as a whole finds out that their friendship "isn't what it used to be".



* From ''{{RENT}}'': "What happened to Benny? What happened to his heart, and the ideals he once pursued?"
* In ''Vanities'', Kathy learns the hard way, after losing her boyfriend and her nervous breakdown, that her idea of "an organized life" doesn't work well in adulthood. Then the cast as a whole finds out that their friendship "isn't what it used to be".



* In ''Webcomic/{{Sinfest}}'', [[http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1576 Silly fundie, God is for kids!]]



* In ''Webcomic/{{Sinfest}}'', [[http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1576 Silly fundie, God is for kids!]]



* In ''Literature/AngelOfDeath'' good liches are widely considered to be sources of annoyance by others, to the point that Kaburlduth feels the need to protest Bavandersloth's accusation that he is a "do-gooder."



* In ''Literature/AngelOfDeath'' good liches are widely considered to be sources of annoyance by others, to the point that Kaburlduth feels the need to protest Bavandersloth's accusation that he is a "do-gooder."



* In ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'', TheLorax is taught by "that marketing whore" the Moolah that profit is more important than trying to impart an educational message. Literature/TheCatInTheHat, [[HortonHearsAWho Horton]] and the Sneetches all express similar sentiments.
-->'''The Sneetches''': We tried to teach tolerance and where did that get us? So fuck it, [[StoppedCaring we'd rather make mountains of lettuce!]]

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* In ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'', TheLorax is taught by "that marketing whore" the Moolah Resident EmoTeen Zuko from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' believes that profit Aang's ideas about peace, pacifism and forgiveness are childish. While [[RousseauWasRight he's proven wrong]] in the case of [[spoiler: Katara's need to avenge her mother]], and admits as much, the question of killing BigBad Ozai is more important than trying to impart an educational message. Literature/TheCatInTheHat, [[HortonHearsAWho Horton]] and the Sneetches all express similar sentiments.
-->'''The Sneetches''': We tried to teach tolerance and where did
complicated; [[spoiler: Aang's ultimate non-lethal victory is only made possible by a discovery that get us? So fuck it, [[StoppedCaring we'd some viewers consider a DeusExMachina, before which even Aang's idealistic friends and his previous incarnations argued that killing Ozai would be a NecessaryEvil.]]
** The sequel comics also show that the world doesn't miraculously fix itself overnight after a hundred years of war, and that even with a ReasonableAuthorityFigure on both sides of an issue, there is still room for trouble and moral complexity.
* ''WesternAnimation/BeastMachines'' had [[spoiler: Silverbolt]] from the previous series return half way through. Much to Blackaraknia's dismay, however, he had turned
rather make mountains sour after being [[spoiler: reprogrammed temporarily by Megatron]] and at first outright sneered at anyone who brought up his [[WideEyedIdealist past point of lettuce!]]view]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Silverbolt:''']] "I was a fool then. I believed in things."



* When part of the Justice League is turned into children in the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' episode "Kid Stuff", most of them enjoy it. Green Lantern's having fun conjuring up things, Wonder Woman's having a girly crush on Batman, and Superman's being a bit goofy. Only Batman remains focused and serious, barely changed, and he's the one who eventually wins. When they return to normal, Wonder Woman comments that it was kind of fun being a kid again. Batman responds "I haven't been a kid since I was eight years old".
** That's an unfortunate bit of TruthInTelevision. People who lost a parent to death when they were children often describe it, as adults, as "My childhood ended then." This reaction seems to be most pronounced when the child was between about 7 and 12 when the parent dies.
** An earlier variation shows up in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' when Lobo invites himself to replace Superman (who was presumed dead). The team wants no part of him, since he clearly regards superheroics as simply an excuse to bust heads:

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* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'':
**
When part of the Justice League is turned into children in the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' episode "Kid Stuff", most of them enjoy it. Green Lantern's having fun conjuring up things, Wonder Woman's having a girly crush on Batman, and Superman's being a bit goofy. Only Batman remains focused and serious, barely changed, and he's the one who eventually wins. When they return to normal, Wonder Woman comments that it was kind of fun being a kid again. Batman responds "I haven't been a kid since I was eight years old".
** *** That's an unfortunate bit of TruthInTelevision. People who lost a parent to death when they were children often describe it, as adults, as "My childhood ended then." This reaction seems to be most pronounced when the child was between about 7 and 12 when the parent dies.
** An earlier variation shows up in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' when Lobo invites himself to replace Superman (who was presumed dead). The team wants no part of him, since he clearly regards superheroics as simply an excuse to bust heads:



* Resident EmoTeen Zuko from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' believes that Aang's ideas about peace, pacifism and forgiveness are childish. While [[RousseauWasRight he's proven wrong]] in the case of [[spoiler: Katara's need to avenge her mother]], and admits as much, the question of killing BigBad Ozai is more complicated; [[spoiler: Aang's ultimate non-lethal victory is only made possible by a discovery that some viewers consider a DeusExMachina, before which even Aang's idealistic friends and his previous incarnations argued that killing Ozai would be a NecessaryEvil.]]
** The sequel comics also show that the world doesn't miraculously fix itself overnight after a hundred years of war, and that even with a ReasonableAuthorityFigure on both sides of an issue, there is still room for trouble and moral complexity.
** ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' likewise has Korra confront this often. Her attempts to just solve problems because she's the Avatar run into local and national politics frequently, to the point where she's conned out of interfering in the Water Tribe Civil War until it's too late. When she tries to do a quid pro quo trade with the Earth Queen--she collects the Queen's unpaid taxes, the Queen turns over any [[spoiler: airbenders]] in her city--the queen lets Korra do all the work and then lies about there being any people to turn over, leaving Korra with nothing.
*** Suyin's refusal to step up to lead [[spoiler: the Earth Kingdom after the Queen is assassinated in season 3 and it falls into chaos]] due to her fears about maybe becoming a dictator are bushed aside by Kuvira (and many fans) as her simply not being willing to do what had to be done because of her own wants, similar to Aang above. [[spoiler: Unlike Aang, she gets burned badly for it.]]
*** Likewise, the leaders of the other nations for assuming Kuvira would be honorable enough to work for years reuniting a kingdom (and building a cult of personality) just to hand it over to the prince who'd been living in luxury and exile the entire time.
*** Even season 3 BigBad ''Zaheer'' gets hit with this. He thought [[spoiler: killing the Earth Queen]] would lead to more freedom for their subjects. Instead it lead to an even more iron-fisted tyrant than the one who came before.
*** An elderly Toph even views such ideals of making the world a better place as naive. However, the moment she sees her family sacrifice themselves and fight Kuvira no matter how suicidal it was, such an act restored her faith in others' heroism.
* ''WesternAnimation/BeastMachines'' had [[spoiler: Silverbolt]] from the previous series return half way through. Much to Blackaraknia's dismay, however, he had turned rather sour after being [[spoiler: reprogrammed temporarily by Megatron]] and at first outright sneered at anyone who brought up his [[WideEyedIdealist past point of view]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Silverbolt:''']] "I was a fool then. I believed in things."

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* Resident EmoTeen Zuko from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' believes that Aang's ideas about peace, pacifism and forgiveness are childish. While [[RousseauWasRight he's proven wrong]] in the case of [[spoiler: Katara's need to avenge her mother]], and admits as much, the question of killing BigBad Ozai is more complicated; [[spoiler: Aang's ultimate non-lethal victory is only made possible by a discovery that some viewers consider a DeusExMachina, before which even Aang's idealistic friends and his previous incarnations argued that killing Ozai would be a NecessaryEvil.]]
''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'':
** The sequel comics also show that the world doesn't miraculously fix itself overnight after a hundred years of war, and that even with a ReasonableAuthorityFigure on both sides of an issue, there is still room for trouble and moral complexity.
** ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' likewise has
Korra confront confronts this often. Her attempts to just solve problems because she's the Avatar run into local and national politics frequently, to the point where she's conned out of interfering in the Water Tribe Civil War until it's too late. When she tries to do a quid pro quo trade with the Earth Queen--she collects the Queen's unpaid taxes, the Queen turns over any [[spoiler: airbenders]] in her city--the queen lets Korra do all the work and then lies about there being any people to turn over, leaving Korra with nothing.
*** ** Suyin's refusal to step up to lead [[spoiler: the Earth Kingdom after the Queen is assassinated in season 3 and it falls into chaos]] due to her fears about maybe becoming a dictator are bushed aside by Kuvira (and many fans) as her simply not being willing to do what had to be done because of her own wants, similar to Aang above. [[spoiler: Unlike Aang, she gets burned badly for it.]]
*** ** Likewise, the leaders of the other nations for assuming Kuvira would be honorable enough to work for years reuniting a kingdom (and building a cult of personality) just to hand it over to the prince who'd been living in luxury and exile the entire time.
*** ** Even season 3 BigBad ''Zaheer'' gets hit with this. He thought [[spoiler: killing the Earth Queen]] would lead to more freedom for their subjects. Instead it lead to an even more iron-fisted tyrant than the one who came before.
*** ** An elderly Toph even views such ideals of making the world a better place as naive. However, the moment she sees her family sacrifice themselves and fight Kuvira no matter how suicidal it was, such an act restored her faith in others' heroism.
* ''WesternAnimation/BeastMachines'' had [[spoiler: Silverbolt]] from In ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'', TheLorax is taught by "that marketing whore" the previous series return half way through. Much Moolah that profit is more important than trying to Blackaraknia's dismay, however, he had turned impart an educational message. Literature/TheCatInTheHat, [[HortonHearsAWho Horton]] and the Sneetches all express similar sentiments.
-->'''The Sneetches''': We tried to teach tolerance and where did that get us? So fuck it, [[StoppedCaring we'd
rather sour after being [[spoiler: reprogrammed temporarily by Megatron]] and at first outright sneered at anyone who brought up his [[WideEyedIdealist past point make mountains of view]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Silverbolt:''']] "I was a fool then. I believed in things."
lettuce!]]
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* [[http://www.indyplanet.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=3429 Gemini Storm's]] Elizabeth Rose is very negative, to the point of berating her male companion when he yells at her for killing one of the monsters trying to kill them both.
* Speedball's evolution into Penance. This trope plus a dump truck full of {{Wangst}}. He had amnesia at the time. He knew that he used to be a hero and that he'd done something bad, he just didn't know who or what.



* [[http://www.indyplanet.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=3429 Gemini Storm's]] Elizabeth Rose is very negative, to the point of berating her male companion when he yells at her for killing one of the monsters trying to kill them both.
* Speedball's evolution into Penance. This trope plus a dump truck full of {{Wangst}}. He had amnesia at the time. He knew that he used to be a hero and that he'd done something bad, he just didn't know who or what.



* [[Literature/HarryPotter Harry]] is far more cynical than the more idealist [[Franchise/StarWars Anakin]] in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8501689/1/The-Havoc-side-of-the-Force The Havoc Side of the Force]]''. Unlike most examples however, he teaches Anakin to be more cynical because he honestly doesn't want the kid to learn the hard way like Harry did.



* [[Literature/HarryPotter Harry]] is far more cynical than the more idealist [[Franchise/StarWars Anakin]] in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8501689/1/The-Havoc-side-of-the-Force The Havoc Side of the Force]]''. Unlike most examples however, he teaches Anakin to be more cynical because he honestly doesn't want the kid to learn the hard way like Harry did.



* In ''Literature/WorldWarZ'', this is the viewpoint of many {{Jerk Ass}}es in such interviews as the one with former White House chief of staff Grover Carlson. Asked about the response of the White House to reports of the walking dead, Carlson claims it was above and beyond, and brags that Phalanx, a supposed anti-zombie drug, was pushed through the Food and Drug Administration. When the Narrator points out that Phalanx didn't work, Carlson explodes and launches into a tirade that what mattered was that a panic had been avoided, ultimately telling the interviewer to "grow up":
-->''"Can you imagine the damage it would have done to the administration's political capital? We're talking about an election year, and a damn hard, uphill fight. ... Oh, c'mon. Can you ever 'solve' poverty? Can you ever 'solve' crime? Can you ever 'solve' disease, unemployment, war, or any other societal herpes? Hell no. All you can ever hope for is to make them manageable enough to allow people to get on with their lives. That's not cynicism, that's maturity."''
** Given that this guy was personally responsible for a number of the dumbass decisions that led the world to ruin, he should feel lucky that his punishment is simply collecting manure for a biodiesel plant. Of course, ''his'' viewpoint is that his decisions kept society going long enough for the [[ShootTheDog Redekker Plan]] to be enacted, therefore making him one of the world's unsung saviors. The reader is [[ShrugOfGod left hanging as to this.]]
* Theo Bell has this exchange with [[spoiler:his old friend Angus]] in a ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' spinoff novel, [[spoiler:not long after finding out Angus was the one who'd been repeatedly trying to kill him]].
* The Decembrist uprising of 1825 is described in such terms for all of Russian high society in ''Literature/TheDeathOfTheVazirMukhtar''; while "the people of the [eighteen] twenties" are generally idealistic if superfluous, impractical and hypocritical, the people who replace them at the forefront of high society after the failure of the Decembrist uprising are more pragmatic, materialistic and outwardly conformist (notably, both sides can be pretty cynical or the opposite regardless of this divide, just in different ways). And then there is the main character, Aleksandr Griboyedov, who is stuck awkwardly between the two groups and is very cynical and contemptuous towards both.



* In James Stoddard's ''The High House'', Murmur rebukes Duskin for wanting to join in the defense of the house; his father would have, but that was idealism of youth, which he never outgrew.
* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' seems to run on this trope. It's particularly the focus of Sansa's character development, as she turns from an idealistic, romantic girl into a reserved, suspicious, cynical and untrusting woman.

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* In James Stoddard's ''The High House'', Murmur rebukes Duskin The Decembrist uprising of 1825 is described in such terms for wanting to join all of Russian high society in the defense ''Literature/TheDeathOfTheVazirMukhtar''; while "the people of the house; his father would have, but that was idealism [eighteen] twenties" are generally idealistic if superfluous, impractical and hypocritical, the people who replace them at the forefront of youth, which he never outgrew.
* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' seems to run on
high society after the failure of the Decembrist uprising are more pragmatic, materialistic and outwardly conformist (notably, both sides can be pretty cynical or the opposite regardless of this trope. It's particularly divide, just in different ways). And then there is the focus of Sansa's character development, as she turns from an idealistic, romantic girl into a reserved, suspicious, main character, Aleksandr Griboyedov, who is stuck awkwardly between the two groups and is very cynical and untrusting woman.contemptuous towards both.



* In Creator/GeneStrattonPorter's ''Michael O'Halloran'', when Douglas rejects an offical position, he gets this.

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* In James Stoddard's ''The High House'', Murmur rebukes Duskin for wanting to join in the defense of the house; his father would have, but that * In Creator/GeneStrattonPorter's ''Michael O'Halloran'', when Douglas rejects an offical position, he gets this.


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was idealism of youth, which he never outgrew.
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* Theo Bell has this exchange with [[spoiler:his old friend Angus]] in a ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' spinoff novel, [[spoiler:not long after finding out Angus was the one who'd been repeatedly trying to kill him]].


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* In ''Literature/WorldWarZ'', this is the viewpoint of many {{Jerk Ass}}es in such interviews as the one with former White House chief of staff Grover Carlson. Asked about the response of the White House to reports of the walking dead, Carlson claims it was above and beyond, and brags that Phalanx, a supposed anti-zombie drug, was pushed through the Food and Drug Administration. When the Narrator points out that Phalanx didn't work, Carlson explodes and launches into a tirade that what mattered was that a panic had been avoided, ultimately telling the interviewer to "grow up":
-->''"Can you imagine the damage it would have done to the administration's political capital? We're talking about an election year, and a damn hard, uphill fight. ... Oh, c'mon. Can you ever 'solve' poverty? Can you ever 'solve' crime? Can you ever 'solve' disease, unemployment, war, or any other societal herpes? Hell no. All you can ever hope for is to make them manageable enough to allow people to get on with their lives. That's not cynicism, that's maturity."''
** Given that this guy was personally responsible for a number of the dumbass decisions that led the world to ruin, he should feel lucky that his punishment is simply collecting manure for a biodiesel plant. Of course, ''his'' viewpoint is that his decisions kept society going long enough for the [[ShootTheDog Redekker Plan]] to be enacted, therefore making him one of the world's unsung saviors. The reader is [[ShrugOfGod left hanging as to this.]]
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* Subverted in ''Manga/RurouniKenshin''. When the villains try to BreakTheCutie Kaoru by saying that martial arts are for killing, the titular protagonist agrees.. but also says that he prefers the idealism over the truth.


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* Subverted in ''Manga/RurouniKenshin''. When the villains try to BreakTheCutie Kaoru by saying that martial arts are for killing, the titular protagonist agrees.. but also says that he prefers the idealism over the truth.
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It's not all one-way, however; the idealist [[ShutUpHannibal may fire a few shots back in return]]. The cynic may be dismissed as a 'sell-out' who gave up on doing the right thing for their own selfish gain [[StrawVulcan under the false pretense of logic and realism]]. For instance certain characters just aren't willing to jeopardize their careers, and livelihoods just to change the status quo (this could be TruthInTelevision depending on how romantic one is and who you happen to be looking at). Or maybe he'll even be called a 'coward' and a weakling who gave up the good fight because he found it too hard and instead resigns oneself in {{wangst}}ing about bad things. For those kinds of call-outs, see SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers. Of course, a true cynic ''would'' also be cynical about their cynicism.

Compare and contrast KnightInSourArmor, who still hold ideals, just not as idealists. A converted holder of Silly Rabbit Idealism Is For Kids views may turn into a KnightInSourArmour, keeping to the appearance of cynicism while reluctantly pursuing idealistic goals. Also contrast SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers, for when excessive cynicism and pessimism turns out to be just as blinding as too much idealism or optimism.

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It's not all one-way, however; the idealist [[ShutUpHannibal may fire a few shots back in return]].return. The cynic may be dismissed as a 'sell-out' who gave up on doing the right thing for their own selfish gain [[StrawVulcan under the false pretense of logic and realism]]. For instance certain characters just aren't willing to jeopardize their careers, and livelihoods just to change the status quo (this could be TruthInTelevision depending on how romantic one is and who you happen to be looking at). Or maybe he'll even be called a 'coward' and a weakling who gave up the good fight because he found it too hard and instead resigns oneself in resigned themselves to {{wangst}}ing about bad things. For those kinds of call-outs, see SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers. Of course, a true cynic ''would'' also be cynical about their cynicism.

things.

Compare and contrast KnightInSourArmor, who still hold ideals, just not as idealists. A idealists; a converted holder of Silly Rabbit Rabbit, Idealism Is For Kids Kids! views may turn into a KnightInSourArmour, this, keeping to the appearance of cynicism while reluctantly pursuing idealistic goals. Also contrast SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers, for when excessive cynicism and pessimism turns out to be just as blinding as too much idealism or optimism.
optimism (or when idealists call out cynics on their attitude, as above).



* Partially due to his HeroicBSOD in Season 3, Judai in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' developed a StopHavingFunGuys mentality towards Duel Monsters during his journey into adulthood between Seasons 3 and 4, effectively losing the optimism that he had for two and a half seasons.
** Oddly enough, before that he was big on 'It's a game, have fun!' Pretty big turn around.
** [[spoiler: In the final episode Judai duels Yugi and regains his passion for dueling.]]
*** [[spoiler: Technically, he was supposed to have regained it during the pair duel that season, but then the writers said "screw it" and had him re-learn that exact same lesson for the finale.]]

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* Partially due This trope is inverted in ''Manga/BlackLagoon'' when [[CoolOldGuy Takenaka]], a [[TerroristsWithoutACause Terrorist Without A Cause]], attempts to his HeroicBSOD in Season 3, Judai in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' developed a StopHavingFunGuys mentality towards Duel Monsters during his journey interrogate [[TheHero Rock]] into adulthood between Seasons 3 and 4, effectively losing the optimism giving up some info by convincing him that they're NotSoDifferent. Rock refuses, and asks Takenaka why he had keeps fighting for two and a half seasons.
** Oddly enough, before
cause he's already lost. Takenaka explains that he was big on 'It's a game, have fun!' Pretty big turn around.
** [[spoiler: In
he's long since lost any ideals about being able to do anything constructive with his actions, but "keeps preaching" because it's the final episode Judai duels Yugi and regains his passion for dueling.]]
*** [[spoiler: Technically,
only thing he was supposed to have regained it during the pair duel finds meaning in doing.
** One can argue
that season, but then the writers said "screw it" entire series is about this trope when it comes to Rock's character. He's had to face this trope many times.
* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' both Miles
and had him re-learn that exact same lesson for the finale.]]another Briggs soldier mention this, as when they were Ed's age they thought they could get through life [[TechnicalPacifist without killing anyone either]].



* The TokenMiniMoe in ''Anime/HeatGuyJ'' gets in [[ContemplateOurNavels an argument]] with a DefectiveDetective, when he tells her that money isn't everything. In her world, where she and [[HardDrinkingPartyGirl her mother]] barely have what they need to survive, money ''is'' everything, and she has become jaded. She tells him that believing in ideals like "money can't bring happiness" is all a fantasy.



* Used in ''SayonaraZetsubouSensei'' the first time Itoshiki Nozomu teaches the class.
** To expand on it, Nozomu tells his class to write down their "Despairs for the future", essentially the students writing down their "Hopes for the future", what they are aiming at becoming, which Nozomu shoots down by saying "It's hopeless", and then giving them a BreakingLecture on their unrealistic goals... And then [[ThePollyanna Fuura Kafuka]] shoots HIM down simply by stating that no matter how unrealistic your goal is, as long as you do your best to achieve it "the possibility exists" that you'll succeed. [[note]] Trivial note: It's later revealed that Kafuka's "Hopes/Despairs for the future" was to become "God, A Time Traveler, A Pororocoian". [[MindScrew And that she was already dead when the story took place.]][[/note]]
* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' both Miles and another Briggs soldier mention this, as when they were Ed's age they thought they could get through life [[TechnicalPacifist without killing anyone either]].
* The TokenMiniMoe in ''Anime/HeatGuyJ'' gets in [[ContemplateOurNavels an argument]] with a DefectiveDetective, when he tells her that money isn't everything. In her world, where she and [[HardDrinkingPartyGirl her mother]] barely have what they need to survive, money ''is'' everything, and she has become jaded. She tells him that believing in ideals like "money can't bring happiness" is all a fantasy.



* This trope is inverted in ''Manga/BlackLagoon'' when [[CoolOldGuy Takenaka]], a [[TerroristsWithoutACause Terrorist Without A Cause]], attempts to interrogate [[TheHero Rock]] into giving up some info by convincing him that they're NotSoDifferent. Rock refuses, and asks Takenaka why he keeps fighting for a cause he's already lost. Takenaka explains that he's long since lost any ideals about being able to do anything constructive with his actions, but "keeps preaching" because it's the only thing he finds meaning in doing.
** One can argue that then entire series is about this trope when it comes to Rock's character. He's had to face this trope many times.
* Used in ''TigerAndBunny'' to highlight the duality between Kotetsu and his partner Barnaby. Barnaby, a PunchClockHero who views superheroics as "just another job", finds Kotetsu's still-intact idealism and aspirations towards being TheCape to be childish and naive. The twist is that Kotetsu is at least ten years older than Barnaby, and seems to be holding on to the virtues of "the good old days" in an era where superheroes have become marketing mascots.
** As the series progresses and he starts to rub off on Barnaby, the focus of the trope shifts from the two of them to Kotetsu and [[NinetiesAntiHero Lunatic]], a VigilanteMan whose sense of justice involves [[KillItWithFire burning criminals alive]].
*** In his case, it turns out his mindset is based on [[spoiler: the knowledge of what the Stern Bild idea of 'justice' actually entails. For much of the series the [=HeroTV=] heroes are ignorant of the the massive corruption and violence that lies behind the glitzy theatrics, giving another reason (if one were needed) why the others don't see where Lunatic's coming from. [[SequelHook Hopefully]] time will tell what the reactions of them and [=NEXTs=] in general will be to Maverick's setup being uncovered.]]


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* Used in ''SayonaraZetsubouSensei'' the first time Itoshiki Nozomu teaches the class.
** To expand on it, Nozomu tells his class to write down their "Despairs for the future", essentially the students writing down their "Hopes for the future", what they are aiming at becoming, which Nozomu shoots down by saying "It's hopeless", and then giving them a BreakingLecture on their unrealistic goals... And then [[ThePollyanna Fuura Kafuka]] shoots HIM down simply by stating that no matter how unrealistic your goal is, as long as you do your best to achieve it "the possibility exists" that you'll succeed. [[note]] Trivial note: It's later revealed that Kafuka's "Hopes/Despairs for the future" was to become "God, A Time Traveler, A Pororocoian". [[MindScrew And that she was already dead when the story took place.]][[/note]]
* Used in ''TigerAndBunny'' to highlight the duality between Kotetsu and his partner Barnaby. Barnaby, a PunchClockHero who views superheroics as "just another job", finds Kotetsu's still-intact idealism and aspirations towards being TheCape to be childish and naive. The twist is that Kotetsu is at least ten years older than Barnaby, and seems to be holding on to the virtues of "the good old days" in an era where superheroes have become marketing mascots.
** As the series progresses and he starts to rub off on Barnaby, the focus of the trope shifts from the two of them to Kotetsu and [[NinetiesAntiHero Lunatic]], a VigilanteMan whose sense of justice involves [[KillItWithFire burning criminals alive]].
*** In his case, it turns out his mindset is based on [[spoiler: the knowledge of what the Stern Bild idea of 'justice' actually entails. For much of the series the [=HeroTV=] heroes are ignorant of the the massive corruption and violence that lies behind the glitzy theatrics, giving another reason (if one were needed) why the others don't see where Lunatic's coming from. [[SequelHook Hopefully]] time will tell what the reactions of them and [=NEXTs=] in general will be to Maverick's setup being uncovered.]]
* Partially due to his HeroicBSOD in Season 3, Judai in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' developed a StopHavingFunGuys mentality towards Duel Monsters during his journey into adulthood between Seasons 3 and 4, effectively losing the optimism that he had for two and a half seasons.
** Oddly enough, before that he was big on 'It's a game, have fun!' Pretty big turn around.
** [[spoiler: In the final episode Judai duels Yugi and regains his passion for dueling.]]
*** [[spoiler: Technically, he was supposed to have regained it during the pair duel that season, but then the writers said "screw it" and had him re-learn that exact same lesson for the finale.]]
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* In American politics, supporters of third-party candidates aren't congratulated for participating in the democratic system and standing up for what they believe in. Instead, supporters of third party candidates like Bob Barr, RalphNader, Cynthia [=McKinney=], Jill Stein and Gary Johnson along with idealistic candidates on both the mainstream parties like Dennis Kucinich and UsefulNotes/RonPaul, are often demonized by moderates on their side of the aisle and belittled by the media, with the justification that "compromise is better than idealism."

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* In American politics, supporters of third-party candidates aren't congratulated for participating in the democratic system and standing up for what they believe in. Instead, supporters of third party candidates like Bob Barr, RalphNader, Cynthia [=McKinney=], Jill Stein and Gary Johnson along with idealistic candidates on both the mainstream parties like Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich and UsefulNotes/RonPaul, are often demonized by moderates on their side of the aisle and belittled by the media, with the justification that "compromise is better than idealism."
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* When Sasha Monroe from ''ThirdWatch'' points out Tyrone Davis Jr's shady police tactics and how it contributes to innocent black men going to jail, he put his hand up to her face and says "Don't preach to me."

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* When Sasha Monroe from ''ThirdWatch'' ''Series/ThirdWatch'' points out Tyrone Davis Jr's shady police tactics and how it contributes to innocent black men going to jail, he put his hand up to her face and says "Don't preach to me."
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* Done [[WorldOfFunnyAnimals literally]] in ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}'', when idealistic new bunny police officer Judy Hopps is given a sharp dressing down by several characters regarding her [[NaiveNewcomer naive expectations]] of how she'll be able to do real police work and make a difference in the world, despite being the TokenMinority in a workplace filled with [[FantasticRacism unspoken prejudice]]. Even her parents, while supportive of her goals, tell her not to believe in her dreams too much.
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* Grandad from ''TheBoondocks'' shows heavy shades of this.

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* Grandad from ''TheBoondocks'' ''WesternAnimation/TheBoondocks'' shows heavy shades of this.



* When part of the Justice League is turned into children in the ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' episode "Kid Stuff", most of them enjoy it. Green Lantern's having fun conjuring up things, Wonder Woman's having a girly crush on Batman, and Superman's being a bit goofy. Only Batman remains focused and serious, barely changed, and he's the one who eventually wins. When they return to normal, Wonder Woman comments that it was kind of fun being a kid again. Batman responds "I haven't been a kid since I was eight years old".

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* When part of the Justice League is turned into children in the ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' episode "Kid Stuff", most of them enjoy it. Green Lantern's having fun conjuring up things, Wonder Woman's having a girly crush on Batman, and Superman's being a bit goofy. Only Batman remains focused and serious, barely changed, and he's the one who eventually wins. When they return to normal, Wonder Woman comments that it was kind of fun being a kid again. Batman responds "I haven't been a kid since I was eight years old".
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* ''{{Shooter}}'':

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