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22nd Sep '16 5:07:24 PM VesperLord
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* This is Kyosuke Munakata's feelings towards Makoto Naegi in ''Anime/DanganRonpa3''. He feels that Makoto's methods of dealing with despair are too soft, and that the only way to defeat despair is to eradicate it completely.
18th Sep '16 7:49:16 AM Tron80
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* In Creator/DCComics, Franchise/{{Superman}} once battled the Elite (a pastiche of ComicBook/TheAuthority), a pack of super-[[AntiHero anti-heroes]] who routinely killed. It was the Elite's point-of-view that Superman's boy-scout kid-gloves morality was a weakness, and that defeating evil required being just as bad. During their final face-off, Superman appeared to be going all-out, slaughtering his way through the Elite on live TV. But it was a fake-out -- he was merely knocking them out in creative ways, trying to illustrate how terrifying superpowered killers can be. Manchester Black, the leader of the Elite, maintained that Superman's idealism was nothing but a facade until his dying day. (When Black realized that Superman ''honestly and sincerely believed and lived up to his ideals'', [[EvilCannotComprehendGood it was more than Black could take]] and committed suicide.)

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* In Creator/DCComics, Franchise/{{Superman}} Franchise/{{Superman}}:
** Superman
once battled the Elite (a pastiche of ComicBook/TheAuthority), a pack of super-[[AntiHero anti-heroes]] who routinely killed. It was the Elite's point-of-view that Superman's boy-scout kid-gloves morality was a weakness, and that defeating evil required being just as bad. During their final face-off, Superman appeared to be going all-out, slaughtering his way through the Elite on live TV. But it was a fake-out -- he was merely knocking them out in creative ways, trying to illustrate how terrifying superpowered killers can be. Manchester Black, the leader of the Elite, maintained that Superman's idealism was nothing but a facade until his dying day. (When Black realized that Superman ''honestly and sincerely believed and lived up to his ideals'', [[EvilCannotComprehendGood it was more than Black could take]] and committed suicide.)



--> "Foolish old man . . . your refusal to kill got you nowhere in 1999 - - Where do you think it will get you now, in a world ruled by death?!"

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--> ---> "Foolish old man . . . man... your refusal to kill got you nowhere in 1999 - - -- Where do you think it will get you now, in a world ruled by death?!"death?!"
* Subverted in ''ComicBook/ElseworldsFinestSupergirlAndBatgirl''. ''Comicbook/{{Batgirl}}'' is a cynical jerkass who thinks the Justice Society are gods looking down on the little people and ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' is clueless when she tells that they and ''Comicbook/LexLuthor'' are her surrogate family. When [[spoiler:it's revealed that Luthor is a lying, murderous bastard]] it looks like Batgirl has been proved right, but then she talks Supergirl out of killing him because she's a hero and a symbol of Hope and shouldn't drop to his level.
15th Aug '16 7:56:59 AM Mei-may
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* Happened to [[Franchise/MassEffect Garrus]] in ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/series/174092 Parable]]'' series. After the two years on Omega and then repeatedly sees how the world treats his wife Jane despite her sacrifices, by the end of the Reaper war, he has completely changed from the idealistic Turian at the beginning of the series to a jaded man that only looks out for his family and is perfectly fine with abandoning people in need if they affect his loved ones' well-being in anyway. Case in point, in [[http://archiveofourown.org/works/3433757/chapters/7526057 Part 6, ''Recrudescence'']], he gets into a fight with Kaidan when the latter uses the Normandy's fund to save a pair of mother/daughter slaves while the former needs that money to make sure the ship run smoothly for [[PapaWolf his]] [[HalfHumanHybrid twin babies]]' sake; when Kaidan askes where is the man that wanted justice for everyone, Garrus just flat-out replies that that man is dead and replaced with someone that know how the universe works.
31st Jul '16 1:42:09 PM nombretomado
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* In DCComics, Franchise/{{Superman}} once battled the Elite (a pastiche of ComicBook/TheAuthority), a pack of super-[[AntiHero anti-heroes]] who routinely killed. It was the Elite's point-of-view that Superman's boy-scout kid-gloves morality was a weakness, and that defeating evil required being just as bad. During their final face-off, Superman appeared to be going all-out, slaughtering his way through the Elite on live TV. But it was a fake-out -- he was merely knocking them out in creative ways, trying to illustrate how terrifying superpowered killers can be. Manchester Black, the leader of the Elite, maintained that Superman's idealism was nothing but a facade until his dying day. (When Black realized that Superman ''honestly and sincerely believed and lived up to his ideals'', [[EvilCannotComprehendGood it was more than Black could take]] and committed suicide.)

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* In DCComics, Creator/DCComics, Franchise/{{Superman}} once battled the Elite (a pastiche of ComicBook/TheAuthority), a pack of super-[[AntiHero anti-heroes]] who routinely killed. It was the Elite's point-of-view that Superman's boy-scout kid-gloves morality was a weakness, and that defeating evil required being just as bad. During their final face-off, Superman appeared to be going all-out, slaughtering his way through the Elite on live TV. But it was a fake-out -- he was merely knocking them out in creative ways, trying to illustrate how terrifying superpowered killers can be. Manchester Black, the leader of the Elite, maintained that Superman's idealism was nothing but a facade until his dying day. (When Black realized that Superman ''honestly and sincerely believed and lived up to his ideals'', [[EvilCannotComprehendGood it was more than Black could take]] and committed suicide.)
17th Jul '16 6:35:43 AM ChrisX
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* ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'': Once, the organization was led by a certain soldier Jack Morrison, who's pretty much an IdealHero, charismatic, compassionate and also something of [[{{Face}} a babyface]], always believing in the best of people. Because of this idealism, he ended up oblivious of many darker things running beneath his organization, his friends' issues that cannot be solved with mere 'friendship and heroism is awesome', all causing people to lose faith at his organization and the goodness he radiated, and one of these friends, Gabriel Reyes, ended up launching a betrayal in their headquarter at Swiss that seemingly claimed both lives. Jack survived, but afterwards he realized that idealism got him nowhere in trying to bring peace. Now he wanders the world as a mercenary/vigilante who, while fighting the good fight, is extremely pragmatic and borderline ruthless, nothing like the IdealHero he was in the past, now he's Soldier: 76.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'': Once, the organization was led by a certain soldier named Jack Morrison, who's pretty much an IdealHero, charismatic, compassionate and also something of [[{{Face}} a babyface]], always believing in the best of people. Because of this idealism, he ended up oblivious of many darker things running beneath his organization, his friends' issues that cannot be solved with mere 'friendship and heroism is awesome', all causing people to lose faith at his organization and the goodness he radiated, and one of these friends, Gabriel Reyes, ended up launching a betrayal in their headquarter at Swiss that seemingly claimed both lives. Jack survived, but afterwards he realized that idealism got him nowhere in trying to bring peace. Now he wanders the world as a mercenary/vigilante who, while fighting the good fight, is extremely pragmatic pragmatic, cynical and borderline ruthless, nothing like the IdealHero he was in the past, now he's Soldier: 76.
17th Jul '16 6:35:12 AM ChrisX
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* ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'': Once, the organization was led by a certain soldier Jack Morrison, who's pretty much an IdealHero, charismatic, compassionate and also something of [[{{Face}} a babyface]], always believing in the best of people. Because of this idealism, he ended up oblivious of many darker things running beneath his organization, his friends' issues that cannot be solved with mere 'friendship and heroism is awesome', all causing people to lose faith at his organization and the goodness he radiated, and one of these friends, Gabriel Reyes, ended up launching a betrayal in their headquarter at Swiss that seemingly claimed both lives. Jack survived, but afterwards he realized that idealism got him nowhere in trying to bring peace. Now he wanders the world as a mercenary/vigilante who, while fighting the good fight, is extremely pragmatic and borderline ruthless, nothing like the IdealHero he was in the past, now he's Soldier: 76.
12th Jul '16 3:00:48 PM SorPepita
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* In American politics, supporters of third-party candidates aren't congratulated for participating in the democratic system and standing up for what they believe in. Instead, supporters of third party candidates like Bob Barr, RalphNader, Cynthia [=McKinney=], Jill Stein and Gary Johnson along with idealistic candidates on both the mainstream parties like Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich and UsefulNotes/RonPaul, are often demonized by moderates on their side of the aisle and belittled by the media, with the justification that "compromise is better than idealism."

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* In American politics, supporters of third-party candidates aren't congratulated for participating in the democratic system and standing up for what they believe in. Instead, supporters of third party candidates like Bob Barr, RalphNader, Ralph Nader, Cynthia [=McKinney=], Jill Stein and Gary Johnson along with idealistic candidates on both the mainstream parties like Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich and UsefulNotes/RonPaul, are often demonized by moderates on their side of the aisle and belittled by the media, with the justification that "compromise is better than idealism."
3rd Jul '16 2:43:56 PM gewunomox
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* Music example, slightly inverted: In his song "My Back Pages", BobDylan describes his angry-young-man cynicism of a few years earlier, and its gradual evolution into pragmatism, with the memorable (and confusing) chorus "I was so much older then / I'm younger than that now."

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* Music example, slightly inverted: In his song "My Back Pages", BobDylan Music/BobDylan describes his angry-young-man cynicism of a few years earlier, and its gradual evolution into pragmatism, with the memorable (and confusing) chorus "I was so much older then / I'm younger than that now."
1st Jul '16 1:12:08 PM Anddrix
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* ''Series/LawAndOrder'' loves to rub the viewers' face into the political version of this trope. Then there's [[BaseBreaker Abbie Carmichael]] who is this trope personified.

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* ''Series/LawAndOrder'' loves to rub the viewers' face into the political version of this trope. Then there's [[BaseBreaker Abbie Carmichael]] Carmichael who is this trope personified.
22nd Jun '16 7:26:51 PM nombretomado
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* Used in ''TigerAndBunny'' to highlight the duality between Kotetsu and his partner Barnaby. Barnaby, a PunchClockHero who views superheroics as "just another job", finds Kotetsu's still-intact idealism and aspirations towards being TheCape to be childish and naive. The twist is that Kotetsu is at least ten years older than Barnaby, and seems to be holding on to the virtues of "the good old days" in an era where superheroes have become marketing mascots.

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* Used in ''TigerAndBunny'' ''Anime/TigerAndBunny'' to highlight the duality between Kotetsu and his partner Barnaby. Barnaby, a PunchClockHero who views superheroics as "just another job", finds Kotetsu's still-intact idealism and aspirations towards being TheCape to be childish and naive. The twist is that Kotetsu is at least ten years older than Barnaby, and seems to be holding on to the virtues of "the good old days" in an era where superheroes have become marketing mascots.
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