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18th Feb '17 12:04:29 PM EBsessed
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** He's rumored to have invited fans to consider any and all pairings potential canon.

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** He's rumored to have invited fans to consider any and all pairings potential canon.canonicity.



*** It should be noted that the said brother and half-brother don't exist in the same continuity as the two sisters. There are different interpretations in the absence of actual canon, even by the current writers.

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*** It should be noted that the said brother and half-brother don't exist in the same continuity as the two sisters. There are different interpretations in the absence of actual canon, canonicity, even by the current writers.



** The author also [[AllThereInTheManual mentioned]] that, since she was born the same year the other died, Clover might be the reincarnation of Wind Whistler, making her story with Hurricane a ReincarnationRomance, but left it up to the audience if the idea is canon or not.

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** The author also [[AllThereInTheManual mentioned]] that, since she was born the same year the other died, Clover might be the reincarnation of Wind Whistler, making her story with Hurricane a ReincarnationRomance, but left it up to the audience if the idea is canon canonical or not.



* Creator/ChristopherNolan hasn't had much to say about various interpretations of ''Film/{{Inception}}'' since its release, but costume designer Jeffrey Kurland and actor Dileep Rao (Yusuf) have both weighed in on their views of the ending. Nolan in general doesn't comment too directly to fan theories and canon. In fact, he's admitted that he's highly amused that people keep constantly asking him questions about the ending even though he has no intention of answering them.

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* Creator/ChristopherNolan hasn't had much to say about various interpretations of ''Film/{{Inception}}'' since its release, but costume designer Jeffrey Kurland and actor Dileep Rao (Yusuf) have both weighed in on their views of the ending. Nolan in general doesn't comment too directly to fan theories and canon.canonicity. In fact, he's admitted that he's highly amused that people keep constantly asking him questions about the ending even though he has no intention of answering them.



* Creator/RobertZemeckis and Bob Gale have created a ''Franchise/BackToTheFuture'' [[http://bttf.wikidot.com/official-bttf-faq FAQ that answers a lot of fan questions]] they've got over the years. Some of the questions have three or four possible answers and we aren't told which are canon.

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* Creator/RobertZemeckis and Bob Gale have created a ''Franchise/BackToTheFuture'' [[http://bttf.wikidot.com/official-bttf-faq FAQ that answers a lot of fan questions]] they've got over the years. Some of the questions have three or four possible answers and we aren't told which are canon.canonical.



* On ''Series/{{Leverage}}'' creator John Rogers' blog, a fan asked if antagonist Sterling joining Interpol meant that he would have an in-universe TV show about his crimefighting with a British actor playing him ("I'm thinking Eccleston"). The response: [[AscendedFanon "Consider it canon."]]

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* On ''Series/{{Leverage}}'' creator John Rogers' blog, a fan asked if antagonist Sterling joining Interpol meant that he would have an in-universe TV show about his crimefighting with a British actor playing him ("I'm thinking Eccleston"). The response: [[AscendedFanon "Consider it canon.canonical."]]



** This is essentially Games Workshop's company policy about canon.
* Perhaps as a reaction to the increasingly unwieldy {{Metaplot}} of its [[TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness predecessor]], the TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness ''loves'' this, repeatedly emphasizing the [[{{Gamemaster}} Storyteller's]] opinion as the ultimate arbiter of what is canon and not.

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** This is essentially Games Workshop's company policy about canon.
canonicity.
* Perhaps as a reaction to the increasingly unwieldy {{Metaplot}} of its [[TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness predecessor]], the TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness ''loves'' this, repeatedly emphasizing the [[{{Gamemaster}} Storyteller's]] opinion as the ultimate arbiter of what is canon canonical and not.



* "Team Silent, Team Silent, which one of the endings to ''Franchise/SilentHill'' is canon?" "They're all canon." "[[Manga/NyoronChuruyaSan Nyoro~n]]."
** WordOfGod regarding ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'''s canon ending is "None of them are." The creator intended for players to choose whichever ending carried the greatest emotional impact and to consider it as canon for themselves.

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* "Team Silent, Team Silent, which one of the endings to ''Franchise/SilentHill'' is canon?" canonical?" "They're all canon.canonical." "[[Manga/NyoronChuruyaSan Nyoro~n]]."
** WordOfGod regarding ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'''s canon canonical ending is "None of them are." The creator intended for players to choose whichever ending carried the greatest emotional impact and to consider it as canon canonical for themselves.



-->[[http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114535 The whole issue of canon is something the fans came up with. I guess you will be able to identify as canon those story elements we continue to build on and develop and mention repeatedly as the story progresses. Others might fall by the wayside once they've served their purpose. Couldn't you say the same of us all?]]

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-->[[http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114535 The whole issue of canon is something the fans came up with. I guess you will be able to identify as canon those story elements we continue to build on and develop and mention repeatedly as the story progresses. Others might fall by the wayside once they've served their purpose. Couldn't you say the same of us all?]]all?]] [sic]



* Are [[VideoGame/KirbysDreamland3 Ado]] and [[VideoGame/{{Kirby64}} Adeleine]] from the ''Franchise/{{Kirby}}'' series the same person? Even the Japanese-only official 20th-anniversary guidebook only says they ''probably'' are, with Ado just being a nickname, even though it clears up the similarly long-standing issue of Ado's AmbiguousGender -- she's a girl, just like in the non-canon manga.

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* Are [[VideoGame/KirbysDreamland3 Ado]] and [[VideoGame/{{Kirby64}} Adeleine]] from the ''Franchise/{{Kirby}}'' series the same person? Even the Japanese-only official 20th-anniversary guidebook only says they ''probably'' are, with Ado just being a nickname, even though it clears up the similarly long-standing issue of Ado's AmbiguousGender -- she's a girl, just like in the non-canon non-canonical manga.



* ''Webcomic/LastRes0rt'' runs into a lot of this; part of it is that since Rachel works a lot of stuff in advance, she KNOWS what's going to come out a few months later (and will refuse to comment), and part of is that early on, Rachel often said too MUCH in the forums or elsewhere, leading to the ruling that "[[FlipFlopOfGod If it's not in the comics or at least on the main website itself, it ain't canon. Don't trust it.]]"

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* ''Webcomic/LastRes0rt'' runs into a lot of this; part of it is that since Rachel works a lot of stuff in advance, she KNOWS what's going to come out a few months later (and will refuse to comment), and part of is that early on, Rachel often said too MUCH in the forums or elsewhere, leading to the ruling that "[[FlipFlopOfGod If it's not in the comics or at least on the main website itself, it ain't canon. Don't trust it.]]"]]" [sic]



* ''Webcomic/TheDreadful'' Christmas Special, in which Kit kills the grinch with an overdose of cheer, is confirmed as canon on the author's twitter. He does not know when or where it happens however.

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* ''Webcomic/TheDreadful'' Christmas Special, in which Kit kills the grinch with an overdose of cheer, is confirmed as canon canonical on the author's twitter. He does not know when or where it happens however.



-->'''[[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=utbmk5kxkkqah7d8k16jx7su&page=9#202 Dr. Gears:]]''' At the end of the day, people can call it canon, non-cannon, brilliant, and stupid, and be right and wrong all at the same time. When dealing with the SCP, you have to understand that we took Canon out behind the barn and shot it in the head a long, long time ago.

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-->'''[[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=utbmk5kxkkqah7d8k16jx7su&page=9#202 Dr. Gears:]]''' At the end of the day, people can call it canon, non-cannon, brilliant, and stupid, and be right and wrong all at the same time. When dealing with the SCP, you have to understand that we took Canon out behind the barn and shot it in the head a long, long time ago. [sic]



** One of the storyboard artists did an unofficial sequel/side story (in webcomic format) which propounds that [[spoiler:Azula ''does'' eventually regain at least some measure of sanity]]. No word on whether any of it is actually canon.

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** One of the storyboard artists did an unofficial sequel/side story (in webcomic format) which propounds that [[spoiler:Azula ''does'' eventually regain at least some measure of sanity]]. No word on whether any of it is actually canon.canonical.



* This was done by the creators of ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'' for a subplot that seemed to be unambiguous in canon. According to Doc Hammer, the writers still haven't decided if [[spoiler:Myra is the boys' birth mother]].

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* This was done by the creators of ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'' for a subplot that seemed to be unambiguous in canon.canonicity. According to Doc Hammer, the writers still haven't decided if [[spoiler:Myra is the boys' birth mother]].
16th Feb '17 11:35:03 PM Doug86
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* In his insanely detailed ''Franchise/DoctorWho'' timeline ''Ahistory'', Lance Parkin ties down just about every story written by someone else, figuring out and explaining sometimes subtle and ambiguous continuity references. His own ambiguities go untouched, with the foonote to ''The Infinity Doctors'' acknowledging that placing it where he does doesn't actually work, and the entries referring to a villainous contemporary of the Doctor's father named Marnel, whose son visited him in the seventies, pointedly not speculating on who said son might be (although he does place the visit in the UNIT era without further comment).

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* In his insanely detailed ''Franchise/DoctorWho'' ''Franchise/{{Doctor Who|ExpandedUniverse}}'' timeline ''Ahistory'', Lance Parkin ties down just about every story written by someone else, figuring out and explaining sometimes subtle and ambiguous continuity references. His own ambiguities go untouched, with the foonote to ''The Infinity Doctors'' acknowledging that placing it where he does doesn't actually work, and the entries referring to a villainous contemporary of the Doctor's father named Marnel, whose son visited him in the seventies, pointedly not speculating on who said son might be (although he does place the visit in the UNIT era without further comment).
9th Feb '17 9:33:56 AM SnoopyComet
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** Literature/GravityFallsJournal3 actually answers a lot of these questions and more, including Dipper's name and his feelings toward Pacifica.
2nd Feb '17 11:41:55 AM DrVolger
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* Music/TheyMightBeGiants are known for their decidedly eccentric and often obscure lyric subject matter. Case in point is "She's Actual Size", a song in which the narrator seems to be [[http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/theymightbegiants/shesactualsize.html expressing fear, love, and admiration]] for a woman. However, when questioned, songwriter John Flansburgh once said that the song was about... [[NonSequitur stew]]. When announcing the song in concert, he gave a description which somehow managed to be both more prosaic AND more obscure by stating "This song is about [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin scale]], and [[BiggerIsBetterInBed sexuality]], and, uh...[[RuleOfThree relationships]]."

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* Music/TheyMightBeGiants are known for their decidedly eccentric and often obscure lyric subject matter. Case in point is "She's Actual Size", a song in which the narrator seems to be [[http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/theymightbegiants/shesactualsize.html expressing fear, love, and admiration]] for a woman. However, when questioned, songwriter John Flansburgh once said that the song was about... [[NonSequitur stew]]. When announcing the song in concert, he gave a description which somehow managed to be both more prosaic AND more obscure by stating "This song is about [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin scale]], and [[BiggerIsBetterInBed [[BuxomIsBetter sexuality]], and, uh...[[RuleOfThree relationships]]."
2nd Feb '17 11:40:36 AM DrVolger
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* Music/TheyMightBeGiants are known for their decidedly eccentric and often obscure lyric subject matter. Case in point is "She's Actual Size", a song in which the narrator seems to be [[http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/theymightbegiants/shesactualsize.html expressing fear, love, and admiration]] for a woman. However, when questioned, songwriter John Flansburgh said that the song was about... [[NonSequitur stew]].

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* Music/TheyMightBeGiants are known for their decidedly eccentric and often obscure lyric subject matter. Case in point is "She's Actual Size", a song in which the narrator seems to be [[http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/theymightbegiants/shesactualsize.html expressing fear, love, and admiration]] for a woman. However, when questioned, songwriter John Flansburgh once said that the song was about... [[NonSequitur stew]]. When announcing the song in concert, he gave a description which somehow managed to be both more prosaic AND more obscure by stating "This song is about [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin scale]], and [[BiggerIsBetterInBed sexuality]], and, uh...[[RuleOfThree relationships]]."
2nd Feb '17 11:30:34 AM DrVolger
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* Music/TheyMightBeGiants are known for their decidedly eccentric and often obscure lyric subject matter. Case in point is "She's Actual Size", a song in which the narrator seems to be [[http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/theymightbegiants/shesactualsize.html expressing fear, love, and admiration]] for a woman. However, when questioned, songwriter John Flansburgh said that the song was about... [[NonSequitur stew]].
24th Jan '17 6:04:22 AM BoukenDutch
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**That is untill [[WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda3 the third film]] shows the Wuxi Finger Hold is indeed a killing move meant to send people to the Spirit Realm. We also get to see Tai Lung as an amulet on Kai's waist, effectively proving his fate.
10th Jan '17 3:49:45 PM Xtifr
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* Steven Wilson of PorcupineTree does this a lot - he won't even be drawn on the origin of the name "Porcupine Tree!" He also refuses to decipher the backing vocal in The Incident, or clarify the story he wrote for the Deadwing album.

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* Steven Wilson of PorcupineTree Music/PorcupineTree does this a lot - he won't even be drawn on the origin of the name "Porcupine Tree!" He also refuses to decipher the backing vocal in The Incident, or clarify the story he wrote for the Deadwing album.
8th Jan '17 7:46:40 AM SeptimusHeap
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* '''Shrugging is safer.''' Maybe the possible answers to the question are sufficiently controversial that coming down on either side will provoke a backlash. The plot point may have sparked enough [[FlameWar debate]] in the fandom that ''any'' answer will cause a BrokenBase, or the issue may be particularly heated due to having religious, political, or otherwise controversial implications that the authors would really rather avoid (such as "Does God actually exist in [[FantasyKitchenSink this setting]]?"). Fending off attacks by MoralGuardians (or worse, {{shipp|ing}}ers) may require a shrug when the question is (and it ''[[FreudWasRight frequently]]'' is), "So what were Alice and Bob ''really'' doing [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar while off-camera]] after that {{UST}}-filled scene?" and a truthful answer would result people screaming for the creator's head on the chopping block. Sometimes, it's the entire work that is tricky, with creators [[OldShame wishing that they never wrote it]] and hoping to just [[CanonDiscontinuity pretend it never happened]].

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* '''Shrugging is safer.''' Maybe the possible answers to the question are sufficiently controversial that coming down on either side will provoke a backlash. The plot point may have sparked enough [[FlameWar debate]] in the fandom that ''any'' answer will cause a BrokenBase, or the issue may be particularly heated due to having religious, political, or otherwise controversial implications that the authors would really rather avoid (such as "Does God actually exist in [[FantasyKitchenSink this setting]]?"). Fending off attacks by MoralGuardians (or worse, {{shipp|ing}}ers) may require a shrug when the question is (and it ''[[FreudWasRight frequently]]'' ''frequently'' is), "So what were Alice and Bob ''really'' doing [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar while off-camera]] after that {{UST}}-filled scene?" and a truthful answer would result people screaming for the creator's head on the chopping block. Sometimes, it's the entire work that is tricky, with creators [[OldShame wishing that they never wrote it]] and hoping to just [[CanonDiscontinuity pretend it never happened]].
6th Jan '17 7:42:55 PM AgentSkyblueM7
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*** Even after [[spoiler: the announcement of said sequel]], it's still possible that [[spoiler: Lelouch was originally meant to stay dead until they finally decided to retcon it]].
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