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26th Mar '18 2:11:36 PM margdean56
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* In one ''ComicBook/GrooTheWanderer'' story the tyrant Pipil Khan keeps hearing stories about all of the battles Groo has won and the carnage he has caused, and imagines that Groo must be a huge, fierce warrior with demonic powers. Then the real Groo finally shows up - a rather short, scruffy, plump guy with a broken nose and stick legs [[spoiler:- and Pipil Khan dies from shock]].

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* In one ''ComicBook/GrooTheWanderer'' story the tyrant Pipil Khan keeps hearing stories about all of the battles Groo has won and the carnage he has caused, and imagines that Groo must be a huge, fierce warrior with demonic powers. Then the real Groo finally shows up - a up--a rather short, scruffy, plump guy with a broken nose and stick legs [[spoiler:- and legs[[spoiler:--and Pipil Khan dies from shock]].



** This trope also applies to Rand himself, who eventually seems to be treated as some kind of demigod or demon by people from the other end of the continent who have only heard mad rumours about the [[AmazonBrigade giant man-eating warrior women]] who serve as his bodyguards. Although that particular rumour was voiced by someone who lived in the ''same city'' in which Rand was holding court at the time - Jordan is probably making a point about how myths get created (which ties in which the way the world thinks about the Dragon and the Age of Legends), sometimes ending the main part of the book before the epilogue with a comment about how the cataclysmic event would mutate in the telling, on one such occasion even stating that, most unusually, it was something fairly close to the truth that was most widely believed. This really kicks Rand in the arse down the line as even childhood friends of his believe monstrous tales about him (which are usually unfairly slanted against him even when they contain a grain of truth).

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** This trope also applies to Rand himself, who eventually seems to be treated as some kind of demigod or demon by people from the other end of the continent who have only heard mad rumours about the [[AmazonBrigade giant man-eating warrior women]] who serve as his bodyguards. Although that particular rumour was voiced by someone who lived in the ''same city'' in which Rand was holding court at the time - Jordan time--Jordan is probably making a point about how myths get created (which ties in which the way the world thinks about the Dragon and the Age of Legends), sometimes ending the main part of the book before the epilogue with a comment about how the cataclysmic event would mutate in the telling, on one such occasion even stating that, most unusually, it was something fairly close to the truth that was most widely believed. This really kicks Rand in the arse down the line as even childhood friends of his believe monstrous tales about him (which are usually unfairly slanted against him even when they contain a grain of truth).



** Similar rumors swirl around Vimes in several books. In ''Discworld/TheFifthElephant'', his traveling party's killing seven bandits leads to GossipEvolution claiming that ''he'' did it alone, and it was thirty men -- and a dog. When Vimes leaves the city, the crime rate goes ''down'' - because most criminals think that if they make too much of a mess, he would be unhappy and clean it up personally. In ''Discworld/MonstrousRegiment'', a foreign country dubs Vimes "TheButcher" for propaganda reasons. Vetinari himself also banks on the unspoken but generalized fear of Vimes both criminals and nobles have, knowing that some insinuations would be true for those not aware of the steps Vimes takes to control them.
** The issue with Vimes is that even the honest truth of his exploits sound like overblown tall tales: "Sam Vimes [[Discworld/{{Jingo}} once arrested Vetinari for treason]]. Sam Vimes [[Discworld/GuardsGuards once arrested a dragon]]. Sam Vimes [[Discworld/{{Jingo}} stopped a war between nations by arresting two high commands]]. (He's an arresting fellow, Sam Vimes.) Sam Vimes [[Discworld/TheFifthElephant killed a werewolf with his bare hands]], and carries the law with him like a lamp. Watchmen across half the continent will say that [[IncorruptiblePurePureness Sam Vimes is as straight as an arrow, can't be corrupted, won't be turned, never took a bribe]]. The Assassins' Guild ''refuses'' contracts on Sam Vimes." [[Discworld/{{Thud}} And thats not to mention that he arrested an]] EldritchAbomination within himself [[HeroicWillpower by sheer force of autodiscipline]]. And he doesn't even know it. It's mentioned in passing at least once that city police forces that pattern themselves like the Ankh-Morpork City Watch are often called "Sammies" (even in areas where most people haven't heard of him), in part thanks to the Ankh-Morpork trained watchmen who leave the city to take up officer positions elsewhere. (Presumably a reference to the fact that British police officers are nicknamed "Bobbies" in reference to Robert Peel, the man who wrote the [[strike: book]] precepts on How To Be A Good Copper.) Most recently, he's become something of a demon amongst some dwarves (for whom his most impressive title is not 'Duke' nor 'Commander' but 'Blackboard Monitor').

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** Similar rumors swirl around Vimes in several books. In ''Discworld/TheFifthElephant'', his traveling party's killing seven bandits leads to GossipEvolution claiming that ''he'' did it alone, and it was thirty men -- and a dog. When Vimes leaves the city, the crime rate goes ''down'' - -- because most criminals think that if they make too much of a mess, he would be unhappy and clean it up personally. In ''Discworld/MonstrousRegiment'', a foreign country dubs Vimes "TheButcher" for propaganda reasons. Vetinari himself also banks on the unspoken but generalized fear of Vimes both criminals and nobles have, knowing that some insinuations would be true for those not aware of the steps Vimes takes to control them.
** The issue with Vimes is that even the honest truth of his exploits sound like overblown tall tales: "Sam Vimes [[Discworld/{{Jingo}} once arrested Vetinari for treason]]. Sam Vimes [[Discworld/GuardsGuards once arrested a dragon]]. Sam Vimes [[Discworld/{{Jingo}} stopped a war between nations by arresting two high commands]]. (He's an arresting fellow, Sam Vimes.) Sam Vimes [[Discworld/TheFifthElephant killed a werewolf with his bare hands]], and carries the law with him like a lamp. Watchmen across half the continent will say that [[IncorruptiblePurePureness Sam Vimes is as straight as an arrow, can't be corrupted, won't be turned, never took a bribe]]. The Assassins' Guild ''refuses'' contracts on Sam Vimes." [[Discworld/{{Thud}} And thats that's not to mention that he arrested an]] EldritchAbomination within himself [[HeroicWillpower by sheer force of autodiscipline]]. And he doesn't even know it. It's mentioned in passing at least once that city police forces that pattern themselves like the Ankh-Morpork City Watch are often called "Sammies" (even in areas where most people haven't heard of him), in part thanks to the Ankh-Morpork trained watchmen who leave the city to take up officer positions elsewhere. (Presumably a reference to the fact that British police officers are nicknamed "Bobbies" in reference to Robert Peel, the man who wrote the [[strike: book]] precepts on How To Be A Good Copper.) Most recently, he's become something of a demon amongst some dwarves (for whom his most impressive title is not 'Duke' nor 'Commander' but 'Blackboard Monitor').



** Most of his early instruction, both by his original teacher and in the first few books, is composed half in showmanship designed to attain the reputation and rewards of a master, and half in the attitude and conscience which it's stated by the second book is as integral to that rank as the technical skill. This is probably critical to the reputation in it gives actual professionals reasons to respect him instead of trying to expose him as a fraud.

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** Most of his early instruction, both by his original teacher and in the first few books, is composed half in of showmanship designed to attain the reputation and rewards of a master, and half in of the attitude and conscience which it's stated by the second book is as integral to that rank as the technical skill. This is probably critical to the reputation in that it gives actual professionals reasons to respect him instead of trying to expose him as a fraud.



* Arthur from the ''Literature/KeysToTheKingdom'' books is an asthmatic 12-year old. By the third book, someone has taken to writing fictionalised versions of his already fairly impressive accomplishments that portray him as seven-foot tall, and looking something akin to a Greek god. Needless to say, people tend to be somewhat disappointed on meeting him in person.

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* Arthur from the ''Literature/KeysToTheKingdom'' books is an asthmatic 12-year old. twelve-year-old. By the third book, someone has taken to writing fictionalised versions of his already fairly impressive accomplishments that portray him as seven-foot seven feet tall, and looking something akin to a Greek god. Needless to say, people tend to be somewhat disappointed on meeting him in person.



** Admiral Count Aral Vorkosigan does not hesitate to use his hated (and false) sobriquet as "TheButcher of Komarr" to intimidate people if necessary, justifying this with "Why not? I paid for it." on at least one occasion. Later in life he admits to his son that he has found his murderous reputation "a "mixed damnation". Ironically, he actually has committed murderous crimes--just not the ones he's accused of.
** The reputation of Impsec has travelled all the way to Jackson's Whole where Great Houses make up bogey stories about it.

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** Admiral Count Aral Vorkosigan does not hesitate to use his hated (and false) sobriquet as "TheButcher of Komarr" to intimidate people if necessary, justifying this with "Why not? I paid for it." it" on at least one occasion. Later in life he admits to his son that he has found his murderous reputation "a a "mixed damnation". Ironically, he actually has committed murderous crimes--just not the ones he's accused of.
** The reputation of Impsec [=ImpSec=] has travelled all the way to Jackson's Whole where Great Houses make up bogey stories about it.



* One of the minor incidents in Creator/DanAbnett's ''Literature/GauntsGhosts'' novel ''First And Only'', involving a shootout with Corbec, Rawne and Feygor against twenty mob enforcers, becomes embellished into an incident where the enforcers unloaded supposed thousands of shots, but were killed with exactly 20 shots from the "off-world gangsters". Of course, exactly how false this is, given the Ghosts' competence - and those three in particular - is not known, as the exacts of the event are not told to us readers.

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* One of the minor incidents in Creator/DanAbnett's ''Literature/GauntsGhosts'' novel ''First And Only'', involving a shootout with Corbec, Rawne and Feygor against twenty mob enforcers, becomes embellished into an incident where the enforcers supposedly unloaded supposed thousands of shots, but were killed with exactly 20 shots from the "off-world gangsters". Of course, exactly how false this is, given the Ghosts' competence - and competence--and those three in particular - is particular--is not known, as the exacts exact details of the event are not told to us readers.



* Inverted in ''Literature/GotrekAndFelix'' as Felix's brother has published the journals Felix kept of their adventures. They are on the large true, but everybody believes them to be fairy tales.

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* Inverted in ''Literature/GotrekAndFelix'' as Felix's brother has published the journals Felix kept of their adventures. They are on the by and large true, but everybody believes them to be fairy tales.



* Tamora Pierce's ''Literature/TortallUniverse'' series features the Spymaster of the Copper Isles, who is only known as Topabaw (its scarier in the native language). He has controlled the spying organization in the islands for decades and is renown for his ability to stop any rebellious activity before it even starts. Unfortunately his tremendous legend caused him to grow increasingly complacent, confident that his terrifying image was enough to keep people in line. The last we hear of him is that he was executed for gross incompetence after failing to stop multiple sabotage's on royal property.

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* Tamora Pierce's ''Literature/TortallUniverse'' series features the Spymaster of the Copper Isles, who is only known as Topabaw (its (it's scarier in the native language). He has controlled the spying organization in the islands for decades and is renown for his ability to stop any rebellious activity before it even starts. Unfortunately his tremendous legend caused him to grow increasingly complacent, confident that his terrifying image was enough to keep people in line. The last we hear of him is that he was executed for gross incompetence after failing to stop multiple sabotage's sabotages on royal property.



** Kelsier was introduced this way - ever since he escaped from the [[TheAlcatraz Pits of Hathsin]], which nobody had ever done before, all sorts of - rather incredible - rumors began spreading about him. Of course, he encouraged them at every opportunity, and helped start some of them, to give the downtrodden [[FantasticRacism skaa]] someone to believe in. [[spoiler:After Vin killed the [[DeityOfHumanOrigin Lord Ruler]], she got this treatment more than a little as well.]]

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** Kelsier was introduced this way - ever way--ever since he escaped from the [[TheAlcatraz Pits of Hathsin]], which nobody had ever done before, all sorts of - rather incredible - rumors of--rather incredible--rumors began spreading about him. Of course, he encouraged them at every opportunity, and helped start some of them, to give the downtrodden [[FantasticRacism skaa]] someone to believe in. [[spoiler:After Vin killed the [[DeityOfHumanOrigin Lord Ruler]], she got this treatment more than a little as well.]]



* Due to the secretive nature of his business, the lead character in Creator/VinceFlynn's Mitch Rapp books about an elite counterterrorism agent starts to accumulate this status as the series progresses. His boss explicitly says she knows for a fact that he could not have possibly been involved in all the deeds attributed to him. Rapp admits the usefulness of an intimidating persona, if only still second to the total anonymity he would prefer to operate under.

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* Due to the secretive nature of his business, the lead character in Creator/VinceFlynn's Mitch Rapp books about an elite counterterrorism agent starts to accumulate this status as the series progresses. His boss explicitly says she knows for a fact that he could not have possibly been involved in all the deeds attributed to him. Rapp admits the usefulness of an intimidating persona, if only still second to the total anonymity he would prefer to operate under.
8th Mar '18 7:32:58 AM LentilSandEater
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* Creator/ChuckNorris. Enough said.

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* %%* Creator/ChuckNorris. Enough said.
8th Mar '18 7:32:30 AM LentilSandEater
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*** The truth: James Kilroy was indeed a construction inspector, only he worked at the shipyard in Fall River, Massachusetts. His "Kilroy was here" marks were an attempt to cut down on fraud by rivetters paid piecework rates. Many soldiers travelled to war on Fall River-built ships and it wouldn't have taken all that many of them to pick up on "Kilroy was here" and [[MemeticMutation spread it all over Europe]].

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*** ** The truth: James Kilroy was indeed a construction inspector, only he worked at the shipyard in Fall River, Massachusetts. His "Kilroy was here" marks were an attempt to cut down on fraud by rivetters paid piecework rates. Many soldiers travelled to war on Fall River-built ships and it wouldn't have taken all that many of them to pick up on "Kilroy was here" and [[MemeticMutation spread it all over Europe]].



** And let's not even get started on Prester John.

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** %%** And let's not even get started on Prester John.
4th Mar '18 3:04:45 PM nombretomado
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* In ''StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime'' the rumour mill talks about a fierce swordsman and a hideous giant with neck tattoos - they're actually Fayt, a fairly unassuming kid in his late teens, and Cliff, a handsome, muscular, tall man with [[RubberForeheadAliens green lines around his neck being the only way to distinguish him as an alien]].

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* In ''StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime'' ''VideoGame/StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime'' the rumour mill talks about a fierce swordsman and a hideous giant with neck tattoos - they're actually Fayt, a fairly unassuming kid in his late teens, and Cliff, a handsome, muscular, tall man with [[RubberForeheadAliens green lines around his neck being the only way to distinguish him as an alien]].
24th Feb '18 9:20:24 AM DarkPhoenix94
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** ''Fanfic/TheWizardInTheShadows'': Harry is noted as variously being considered as either some sort of god, an avenging angel, an incarnation of one of the Valar, or an elf lord who had revealed himself in a time of need. Harry generally finds it rather funny, and considers glamouring his ears into points on hearing the last one. Since he is the titular 'Wizard in the Shadows', and he turns up wherever there is trouble and kills it, this is not surprising.

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*** Doctor Strange has a staggering (and as per a throwaway remark in the sequel, carefully cultivated) reputation as an omniscient, invincible, immortal super wizard. He's none of these things, but he is extremely close to all of them. He isn't omniscient, but he is very, very close, being a mixture of time traveller and {{Seer}} whose powers were boosted by [[spoiler: the Time Stone]] and this, along with his mastery of the BatmanGambit, allows him to run the plot almost entirely offscreen until the finale of the first book (these manipulative tendencies, and a habit of only showing up when the excrement is about to hit the fan, do not make him popular). He's not invincible, either, but it takes a fragment of the Elder God Chthon possessing a necromancer who was already on Loki's level to beat him in a straight fight - others who have tried and failed include a demonically supercharged [[PhysicalGod 'godlike']] Grindelwald (the duel lasted for days. By the end of it, Berlin was mostly rubble, Grindelwald was exhausted and [[BroughtDownToBadass largely stripped of his enhancements]], and Strange, by all accounts, strolled off whistling), the aforementioned necromancer, and the Disir. The latter are 13 nightmarish Valkyries who devoured entire Asgardian armies and who Bor, a Skyfather at the height of his powers, could only banish. Strange, displeased by the way they went after/were sent after Harry, caught up with them and demonstrated his displeasure by restoring their consciences and trapping them in a crystal ball for as long as he wishes them to remain there. And while he's not immortal, he's [[spoiler: 500,000]] years old and counting, hasn't aged since the 6th century, and occasional remarks that he's getting a bit old and tired aside, shows little or no sign of slowing down.
** ''Fanfic/TheWizardInTheShadows'': ''Fanfic/TheWizardInTheShadows'' (by the same author as the above): Harry is noted as variously being considered as either some sort of god, an avenging angel, an incarnation of one of the Valar, or an elf lord who had revealed himself in a time of need. Harry generally finds it rather funny, and considers glamouring his ears into points on hearing the last one. Since he is the titular 'Wizard in the Shadows', and he turns up wherever there is trouble and kills it, this is not surprising.
9th Feb '18 1:39:29 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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-->'''Janis Ian:''' Regina George...how do I begin to explain Regina George?
-->'''Emma Gerber:''' Regina George is flawless.
-->'''Lea Edwards:''' She has two Fendi purses and a silver Lexus.
-->'''Tim Pak:''' I hear her hair's insured for ten thousand dollars.
-->'''Amber D'Alessio:''' I hear she does car commercials -- in Japan.
-->'''Kristen Hadley:''' Her favourite movie is ''Varsity Blues''.
-->'''Short Girl:''' One time she met John Stamos on a plane...
-->'''Jessica Lopez:''' And he told her she was pretty.
-->'''Bethany Byrd:''' One time she punched me in the face...It was awesome!

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'''Bethany
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9th Feb '18 1:36:50 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* ''Film/MeanGirls'' uses CharacterShilling to establish Regina George as a feared and revered AlphaBitch before we even meet her:

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* ''Film/MeanGirls'' uses a montage of CharacterShilling to establish Regina George as a feared and revered AlphaBitch before we even meet her:
9th Feb '18 1:36:18 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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-->'''Kristen Hadley:''' Her favorite movie is ''Film/VarsityBlues''.

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-->'''Kristen Hadley:''' Her favorite favourite movie is ''Film/VarsityBlues''.''Varsity Blues''.



-->'''Bethany Byrd:''' One time she punched me in the face... it was awesome!

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-->'''Bethany Byrd:''' One time she punched me in the face... it It was awesome!
26th Jan '18 4:05:31 AM Derkhan
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* In Steven Erikson's ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'', Anomander Rake is widely seen as one of the most über-badass characters in that entire [[TheVerse universe]], despite the fact that we haven't seen him do all that much in the books.

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* In Steven Erikson's ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'', Creator/StevenErikson's '' Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'', Anomander Rake is widely seen as one of the most über-badass uber-badass characters in that entire [[TheVerse universe]], despite both a MasterSwordsman and an [[TheArchmage Archmage]]. He's led his people, the fact that we haven't seen [[DarkIsNotEvil Tiste Andii]], for millennia, has an ongoing feud with the Champion of Light, Osserc, and has about [[IHaveManyNames a gazillion names and titles]] slapped onto him do all that much whenever he is mentioned. The world's longest and best known poem, ''Anomandaris'', is about him and his deeds and characters cite it liberally in the books.first book, ''GardensOfTheMoon''. It's all true, though, and Anomander Rake just ''is'' that awesome, has lived for that long and only adds to his legend whenever he does anything, whether he wants to or not.
17th Dec '17 5:08:04 PM Discar
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-->'''Reporter''': "This is the west, Sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend"

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-->'''Reporter''': "This This is the west, Sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend"legend.
* ''Film/TheLastJedi'': After the fall of the Empire, the Jedi have become legends again, but due to the Empire's attempts to erase them from history, no one really knows who the Jedi were or what the Force is.
-->'''Luke:''' Tell me what you know about the Force.\\
'''Rey''': It's a power the Jedi have that lets them [[JediMindTrick control people]] and... [[MindOverMatter make things float]].\\
'''Luke''': [[SarcasmMode Impressive]]. Every word in that sentence was wrong.
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