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6th Mar '17 1:41:04 PM StFan
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%%* Contrary to what the page image would have you believe, Erza from ''Manga/FairyTail'' does not in fact carry all her armor with her, she does however have a trunk at home containing her armors and cosplay outfits, which she sends and recieves her armors to and from.

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%%* Contrary to what the page image would have you believe, Erza from ''Manga/FairyTail'' does not in fact carry all her armor with her, she does however have a trunk at home containing her armors and cosplay outfits, which she sends and recieves her armors to and from.
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* ''Anime/SCryed'' is a good example of a justification of this trope, although transformation is only seen in one character and in a subset of the typical creation power. Whenever somebody creates something, the mass they require for it is taken from surrounding objects or the environment itself. When the aforementioned character creates his robot arm he not only melts down half of his body, but a large part of the landscape and, the first time he gets it, a bird flying overhead. Yikes. Taken up a notch with an Alter User who created a HumongousMecha. His first use of it, in response to a bunch of villagers backing him to the edge of a cliff, was to vaporize ''them'' as material.

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* ''Anime/SCryed'' ''Anime/{{Scryed}}'' is a good example of a justification of this trope, although transformation is only seen in one character and in a subset of the typical creation power. Whenever somebody creates something, the mass they require for it is taken from surrounding objects or the environment itself. When the aforementioned character creates his robot arm he not only melts down half of his body, but a large part of the landscape and, the first time he gets it, a bird flying overhead. Yikes. Taken up a notch with an Alter User who created a HumongousMecha. His first use of it, in response to a bunch of villagers backing him to the edge of a cliff, was to vaporize ''them'' as material.



* Averted in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. Envy, despite [[NoBiologicalSex their]] lithe and feminine physique, is very heavy, and as a result, makes very deep footprints and can break a steel fence after a short fall, in addition to [[NoSell not even budging]] when Ed punches it in the face. This is noticed by the main characters and clues them in on the size of [[OneWingedAngel Envy's true form…]]

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* Averted in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''.''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'':
** Averted.
Envy, despite [[NoBiologicalSex their]] lithe and feminine physique, is very heavy, and as a result, makes very deep footprints and can break a steel fence after a short fall, in addition to [[NoSell not even budging]] when Ed punches it in the face. This is noticed by the main characters and clues them in on the size of [[OneWingedAngel Envy's true form…]]



* After the MagicPants, this is the second most common source of FridgeLogic in ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' whenever Jusenkyo transformations are concerned: Mousse, Shampoo, and Ryouga all change into smaller animals with no explanation as to where their mass goes, or where it comes from when they change back. Genma and Pantyhose Taro change into larger animals (in Taro's case, a chimera that is ''several'' stories tall.) On a lesser scale, Ranma, Herb, and Rouge also lose or gain mass drastically, even if they remain roughly human-shaped (in Rouge's case) or merely [[GenderBender change sex]] (for Ranma and Herb.) Might be justified in that [[TransformationRay Jusenkyo]] curses its victims with [[AWizardDidIt magical transformations]].

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* After the MagicPants, this is the second most common source of FridgeLogic in ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' whenever Jusenkyo Jusenkyō transformations are concerned: Mousse, Shampoo, and Ryouga Ryōga all change into smaller animals with no explanation as to where their mass goes, or where it comes from when they change back. Genma and Pantyhose Taro Tarō change into larger animals (in Taro's Tarō's case, a chimera that is ''several'' stories tall.) tall). On a lesser scale, Ranma, Herb, and Rouge also lose or gain mass drastically, even if they remain roughly human-shaped (in Rouge's case) or merely [[GenderBender change sex]] (for Ranma and Herb.) Herb). Might be justified in that [[TransformationRay Jusenkyo]] Jusenkyō]] curses its victims with [[AWizardDidIt magical transformations]].



* Micro-Might from ''Comicbook/PS238'' averts this trope. When using her powers, she gets smaller, but not lighter; she gets denser instead, apparently using the SquareCubeLaw (although in a comic book physics way) to get stronger and tougher. Mass Master of ''Comicbook/PowerPack'' also had this property, and may have been the inspiration for Micro-Might.
* In ''Comicbook/UltimateIronMan'', Tony's HealingFactor lets him regrow his legs, but he has to become a BigEater to get the necessary materials.

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* Micro-Might from ''Comicbook/PS238'' ''ComicBook/PS238'' averts this trope. When using her powers, she gets smaller, but not lighter; she gets denser instead, apparently using the SquareCubeLaw (although in a comic book physics way) to get stronger and tougher. Mass Master of ''Comicbook/PowerPack'' also had this property, and may have been the inspiration for Micro-Might.
* In ''Comicbook/UltimateIronMan'', ''ComicBook/UltimateIronMan'', Tony's HealingFactor lets him regrow his legs, but he has to become a BigEater to get the necessary materials.



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* In ''ComicStrip/WhatsNewWithPhilAndDixie'', [[http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20090802 the aversion]] is described as one of the potential problems with shapeshifting. The shapeshifter tries to disguise himself as a flower in a field of flowers... but he cannot change his mass, and so his flower rather stands out.
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--> '''Yeagar''': Does anyone know why our '''fifty-foot henchman''' was just whisked into the sky by a '''thirty mile-an-hour breeze'''?
--> '''Artax''': I might have an answer for you…
--> '''Artax''': According to the fine print for "Plan #1", the growth potion increases '''volume''', but not '''mass'''.

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--> '''Yeagar''': '''Yeagar:''' Does anyone know why our '''fifty-foot henchman''' was just whisked into the sky by a '''thirty mile-an-hour breeze'''?
--> '''Artax''':
breeze'''?\\
'''Artax:'''
I might have an answer for you…
--> '''Artax''':
you...\\
'''Artax:'''
According to the fine print for "Plan #1", the growth potion increases '''volume''', but not '''mass'''.



* In ''ComicStrip/WhatsNewWithPhilAndDixie'', [[http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20090802 the aversion]] is described as one of the potential problems with shapeshifting. The shapeshifter tries to disguise himself as a flower in a field of flowers... but he cannot change his mass, and so his flower rather stands out.



* Ben 10 [[JustifiedTrope Justifies]] this with the [[TransformationTrinket Omni/Ultimatrix]] being the source of all Ben's added and lost mass.

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* Ben 10 ''WesternAnimation/Ben10'' [[JustifiedTrope Justifies]] this with the [[TransformationTrinket Omni/Ultimatrix]] being the source of all Ben's added and lost mass.




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* [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever Size]] [[IncredibleShrinkingMan Fetish]] [[FetishFuel fap materials]] have characters [[CaptainObvious changing size]] due to GreenRocks, a ShrinkRay, [[AWizardDidIt magic]], [[MadScientist Science!]], [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs magic science]], [[ExcusePlot the plot says so]], etc. How can they do this is largely brushed off because, well, it's ''[[RuleThirtyFour porn]]''. Sometimes a writer may give an explanation on the extra mass but the baggage is largely ignored for purposes of the story because we all know that [[SciFiWritersHave/NoSenseOfMass porn artists/writers hate math]]. And this is before you get into how big/small they are in relation to everything else.
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13th Feb '17 7:39:58 PM HighCrate
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** Being carried around by Rom makes sense in-universe when one remembers that the Ferengi were established in ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' to be much stronger than humans despite their small size.
** Apparently, he can also change his molecular and atomic structure. When he shapeshifts into a wall, even sensors can't tell him apart from the real thing.
** Peter David's "The Siege", the ''first'' ''Deep Space Nine'' book if we don't count episode novelizations, had one of the characters literally taken off their feet by having their pantleg grabbed in the teeth of a 180-some-odd-lb mouse as they're (trying) to run by.
** Odo CAN change mass, as stated in "Broken Link". In Season 7, we also learn why: in "Chimera," Laas (Odo's race, ''not'' a Founder) shows that he can access the subspace for FTL. Most likely this access gives Odo's race mass-lightening abilities.
** ''[=DS9=]'' averted it with a small child who was undergoing rapid aging, who complained about how hungry he was soon after learning how to talk.
** ''Franchise/StarTrek'' has a long proud history of shapeshifters who seem to tell the First Law of Thermodynamics to take a flying leap. The shapeshifter in ''Star Trek VI'' had no trouble changing from a small girl to a large furry creature to a duplicate of Kirk, and the Allasomorphs in ''TNG'''s "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS2E10TheDauphin The Dauphin]]" were able to double their size and reverse the process with no apparent change of mass.
*** To be fair, there was no indication that the shifter in ''Star Trek VI'' changed anything but shape, as all they did while large was look intimidating, and while small simply slipped out of chains. Their mass could have remained the same the whole time.
** In the original series episode "By Any Other Name", a Vulcan Mind Meld revealed a human looking race to actually be "Immense beings... 100 limbs which resemble tentacles, minds of such control and capacity that each limb is capable of performing a different function."
*** Immense does not necessarily mean massive though. Their true forms could conceivably have a much lower density than humans, enabling them to be much larger while having similar mass. The quote was intended to state that their true forms were incomprehensible StarfishAliens rather than give them a specific size and shape.
6th Feb '17 1:40:38 AM eroock
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5th Feb '17 9:45:53 PM Willbyr
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* Contrary to what the page image would have you believe, Erza from fairytale does not in fact carry all her armor with her, she does however have a trunk at home containing her armors and cosplay outfits, which she sends and recieves her armors to and from.

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* %%* Contrary to what the page image would have you believe, Erza from fairytale ''Manga/FairyTail'' does not in fact carry all her armor with her, she does however have a trunk at home containing her armors and cosplay outfits, which she sends and recieves her armors to and from.



* ''[[Anime/SCryed s-CRY-ed]]'' is a good example of a justification of this trope, although transformation is only seen in one character and in a subset of the typical creation power. Whenever somebody creates something, the mass they require for it is taken from surrounding objects or the environment itself. When the aforementioned character creates his robot arm he not only melts down half of his body, but a large part of the landscape and, the first time he gets it, a bird flying overhead. Yikes. Taken up a notch with an Alter User who created a HumongousMecha. His first use of it, in response to a bunch of villagers backing him to the edge of a cliff, was to vaporize ''them'' as material.

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* ''[[Anime/SCryed s-CRY-ed]]'' ''Anime/SCryed'' is a good example of a justification of this trope, although transformation is only seen in one character and in a subset of the typical creation power. Whenever somebody creates something, the mass they require for it is taken from surrounding objects or the environment itself. When the aforementioned character creates his robot arm he not only melts down half of his body, but a large part of the landscape and, the first time he gets it, a bird flying overhead. Yikes. Taken up a notch with an Alter User who created a HumongousMecha. His first use of it, in response to a bunch of villagers backing him to the edge of a cliff, was to vaporize ''them'' as material.



* Subverted in the lesser known manga ''Momoiro 1/10'' -- Momoiro is 50 foot tall and weighs several tons. When she's shrunken to the size of a normal human, she still weighs several tons and is denser than lead. Trying to walk across the top floor of her school causes the floor to collapse, running across a parking lot causes a trail of destroyed concrete, etc etc.

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* Subverted in the lesser known manga ''Momoiro 1/10'' -- Momoiro is 50 foot feet tall and weighs several tons. When she's shrunken to the size of a normal human, she still weighs several tons and is denser than lead. Trying to walk across the top floor of her school causes the floor to collapse, running across a parking lot causes a trail of destroyed concrete, etc etc.
5th Feb '17 6:04:43 AM EnjinSosei
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* Averted in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. Envy, despite [[NoBiologicalSex its]] lithe and feminine physique, is very heavy, and as a result, makes very deep footprints and can break a steel fence after a short fall, in addition to [[NoSell not even budging]] when Ed punches it in the face. This is noticed by the main characters and clues them in on the size of [[OneWingedAngel Envy's true form…]]

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* Averted in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. Envy, despite [[NoBiologicalSex its]] their]] lithe and feminine physique, is very heavy, and as a result, makes very deep footprints and can break a steel fence after a short fall, in addition to [[NoSell not even budging]] when Ed punches it in the face. This is noticed by the main characters and clues them in on the size of [[OneWingedAngel Envy's true form…]]
7th Jan '17 8:26:17 PM Xelloss08
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* In ''Literature/VoidCity'', vampires have the power to shapeshift into one or more animals, but how it works varies between individuals. Some are able to take their clothes with them, while others have to leave their clothes behind. Eric actually generates new clothing: even if he starts out naked, he'll be in his usual casual clothes when he changes back. As a result, he's accumulated tons of identical outfits. Everyone just accepts it as a natural part and parcel of a vampire's magic powers.
17th Dec '16 8:51:00 AM FordPrefect
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* [[UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein Einstein's]] famous formula E = m * c^2 basically states that mass is a form of energy. (Granted, that's putting it rather simply, but still.) As energy can change form, it is perfectly possible to convert energy into mass or vice versa. Slam an electron and a positron[[labelnote:*]] The antimatter equivalent of an electron[[/labelnote]] together at sufficient speeds (that is, with enough kinetic energy), and you may well get two muons, which are ''200 times'' as heavy.
** But that will violate the conservation of charge.

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* [[UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein Einstein's]] famous formula E = m * c^2 basically states that mass is a form of energy. (Granted, that's putting it rather simply, but still.) As energy can change form, it is perfectly possible to convert energy into mass or vice versa. Slam an electron and a positron[[labelnote:*]] The antimatter equivalent of an electron[[/labelnote]] together at sufficient speeds (that is, with enough kinetic energy), and you may well get two muons, a muon and antimuon, each of which are is ''200 times'' as heavy.
** But that will violate the conservation of charge.
heavy as an electron.
17th Dec '16 8:49:20 AM FordPrefect
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* ''Disgustingly'' averted in the ''TabletopGame/{{Splicers}}''' Metamorph class: In order to change into a larger shape, the Splicer must consume ''twice'' the mass of the intended form in protein. This included translucent sacks that fill up to hold the extra meat. This then forms into a cocoon for the Metamorph to change inside of.To shift to a size ''down'', the Metamorph simply uses the body as a cocoon, then the new form [[ChestBurster bursts out of the old body in a spay of blood and gore]].

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* ''Disgustingly'' averted in the ''TabletopGame/{{Splicers}}''' Metamorph class: In order to change into a larger shape, the Splicer must consume ''twice'' the mass of the intended form in protein. This included translucent sacks that fill up to hold the extra meat. This then forms into a cocoon for the Metamorph to change inside of. To shift to a size ''down'', the Metamorph simply uses the body as a cocoon, then the new form [[ChestBurster bursts out of the old body in a spay spray of blood and gore]].
17th Dec '16 8:45:26 AM FordPrefect
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* ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'': Where does all that sudden biomass come from? And where does it go? In the first ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' movie (Not the one with Norton), every time Banner is seen returning to human form, we see steam emanating from him and water dripping from every pore of his body, slicking his hair to his head and soaking the MagicPants to him. The suggestion seems to be that the excess mass is created by rapid cell division and when he calms down, the cells are turned into steam/water and are shed thusly. It wouldn't be the strangest thing to happen in a Marvel movie, but cell division does not actually ''create'' mass.\\\

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* ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'': Where does all that sudden biomass come from? And where does it go? In the first ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' movie (Not (not the one with Norton), every time Banner is seen returning to human form, we see steam emanating from him and water dripping from every pore of his body, slicking his hair to his head and soaking the MagicPants to him. The suggestion seems to be that the excess mass is created by rapid cell division and when he calms down, the cells are turned into steam/water and are shed thusly. It wouldn't be the strangest thing to happen in a Marvel movie, but cell division does not actually ''create'' mass.\\\
23rd Nov '16 8:42:27 PM DastardlyDemolition
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** The same could be said for The Charger in ''VideoGame/Left4Dead2'', where his arm has become massive and covered with callouses.
** The Smoker, and to a lesser extent the Spitter, has somehow become ''much'' taller than an average human and the Smoker's tongue has stretched out to absurd lengths, ''if'' that really ''is'' its tongue...
** The Boomer is an aversion as his girth is all gas; his and her bodies have become swollen with noxious gas and "puke" that fills up in large boils across their body.


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* [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever Size]] [[IncredibleShrinkingMan Fetish]] [[FetishFuel fap materials]] have characters [[CaptainObvious changing size]] due to GreenRocks, a ShrinkRay, [[AWizardDidIt magic]], [[MadScientist Science!]], [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs magic science]], [[ExcusePlot the plot says so]], etc. How can they do this is largely brushed off because, well, it's ''[[RuleThirtyFour porn]]''. Sometimes a writer may give an explanation on the extra mass but the baggage is largely ignored for purposes of the story because we all know that [[SciFiWritersHave/NoSenseOfMass porn artists/writers hate math]]. And this is before you get into how big/small they are in relation to everything else.
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