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21st Jun '18 4:33:56 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* This is averted in some ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' books. In one book, a character who has been transformed into a toad wonders, "what happened to the rest of me?" In the very next book, we learn exactly what happens and [[BodyHorror it ain't pretty]]. [[spoiler:If a witch turns someone into a frog, they actually turn them into a frog and a large amorphous free-floating blob of chemicals.]] In other books this doesn't happen, though. Essentially the Shapeshifter Baggage question raises a conflict between two fundamental Discworld laws: the Law of NarrativeCausality (which says it should work like it does in stories) and the Law of [[EquivalentExchange Conservation of Reality]] (which says it can't be that simple). It's also possible that it depends on ''how'' the shapeshifting occurs; "natural" shapeshifting and BalefulPolymorph via mental tricks and morphic fields have "neater" results than using magic to directly warp someone's shape. The clearest visible difference, though, is the [[WatsonianVsDoylist Doylist]] explanation implied by the that Shapeshifter Baggage only appears in the later books. The simple Watsonian one is that the witch who had to deal with the baggage had a lot of raw power but no relevant training, while the cleaner ones done by some of the most powerful wizards in the world or by the use of Fairy Godmother wands (which are mysterious artifacts that bypass or ignore all the usual magic rules).

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* This is averted in some ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' books. In one book, a character who has been transformed into a toad wonders, "what happened to the rest of me?" In the very next book, we learn exactly what happens and [[BodyHorror it ain't pretty]]. [[spoiler:If a witch turns someone into a frog, they actually turn them into a frog and a large amorphous free-floating blob of chemicals.]] In other books this doesn't happen, though. Essentially the Shapeshifter Baggage question raises a conflict between two fundamental Discworld laws: the Law of NarrativeCausality (which says it should work like it does in stories) and the Law of [[EquivalentExchange Conservation of Reality]] (which says it can't be that simple). It's also possible that it depends on ''how'' the shapeshifting occurs; "natural" shapeshifting and BalefulPolymorph via mental tricks and morphic fields have "neater" results than using magic to directly warp someone's shape. The clearest visible difference, though, is the [[WatsonianVsDoylist Doylist]] explanation implied by the that Shapeshifter Baggage only appears in the later books. The simple Watsonian one is that the witch who had to deal with the baggage had a lot of raw power but no relevant training, while the cleaner ones are done by some of the most powerful wizards in the world or by the use of Fairy Godmother wands (which are mysterious artifacts that bypass or ignore all the usual magic rules).
21st Jun '18 4:32:48 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* This is averted in some ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' books. In one book, a character who has been transformed into a toad wonders, "what happened to the rest of me?" In the very next book, we learn exactly what happens and [[BodyHorror it ain't pretty]]. [[spoiler:If a witch turns someone into a frog, they actually turn them into a frog and a large amorphous free-floating blob of chemicals.]] In other books this doesn't happen, though. Essentially the Shapeshifter Baggage question raises a conflict between two fundamental Discworld laws: the Law of NarrativeCausality (which says it should work like it does in stories) and the Law of [[EquivalentExchange Conservation of Reality]] (which says it can't be that simple). It's also possible that it depends on ''how'' the shapeshifting occurs; "natural" shapeshifting and BalefulPolymorph via mental tricks and morphic fields have "neater" results than using magic to directly warp someone's shape. The clearest visible difference, though, is the [[WatsonianVsDoylist Doylist]] explanation implied by the that Shapeshifter Baggage only appears in the later books.

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* This is averted in some ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' books. In one book, a character who has been transformed into a toad wonders, "what happened to the rest of me?" In the very next book, we learn exactly what happens and [[BodyHorror it ain't pretty]]. [[spoiler:If a witch turns someone into a frog, they actually turn them into a frog and a large amorphous free-floating blob of chemicals.]] In other books this doesn't happen, though. Essentially the Shapeshifter Baggage question raises a conflict between two fundamental Discworld laws: the Law of NarrativeCausality (which says it should work like it does in stories) and the Law of [[EquivalentExchange Conservation of Reality]] (which says it can't be that simple). It's also possible that it depends on ''how'' the shapeshifting occurs; "natural" shapeshifting and BalefulPolymorph via mental tricks and morphic fields have "neater" results than using magic to directly warp someone's shape. The clearest visible difference, though, is the [[WatsonianVsDoylist Doylist]] explanation implied by the that Shapeshifter Baggage only appears in the later books. The simple Watsonian one is that the witch who had to deal with the baggage had a lot of raw power but no relevant training, while the cleaner ones done by some of the most powerful wizards in the world or by the use of Fairy Godmother wands (which are mysterious artifacts that bypass or ignore all the usual magic rules).
21st Jun '18 8:35:46 AM TomPN
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* The kandra of ''Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy'' explicitly ''are'' bound by Conservation Of Mass. This comes up a couple of times in the third book, including one where the hero takes advantage of the fact that the same body mass that makes for a scrawny human makes a fairly beefy wolfhound and one where the same hero quickly shifts up from dog to horse by eating an entire pig for the extra mass.

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* The kandra of ''Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy'' explicitly ''are'' bound by Conservation Of Mass. This comes up a couple of times in the third book, including one where the hero takes advantage of the fact that the same body mass that makes for a scrawny human makes a fairly beefy wolfhound and one where the same hero quickly shifts up from dog to horse by eating an entire pig for the extra mass. Normally, however, this isn't a problem for them, as they have to digest their target to produce an exact imitation, which, by definition, gives them enough mass to transform.
16th Jun '18 2:09:31 PM VVK
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* This is averted in some ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' books. In one book, a character who has been transformed into a toad wonders, "what happened to the rest of me?" In the very next book, we learn exactly what happens and [[BodyHorror it ain't pretty]]. [[spoiler:If a witch turns someone into a frog, they actually turn them into a frog and a large amorphous free-floating blob of chemicals.]] In other books this doesn't happen, though. Essentially the Shapeshifter Baggage question raises a conflict between two fundamental Discworld laws: the Law of NarrativeCausality (which says it should work like it does in stories) and the Law of [[EquivalentExchange Conservation of Reality]] (which says it can't be that simple). It's also possible that it depends on ''how'' the shapeshifting occurs; "natural" shapeshifting and BalefulPolymorph via mental tricks and morphic fields have "neater" results than using magic to directly warp someone's shape. The clearest visible difference, though, is the [[WatsonianVsDoylist Doylist]] explanation implied by the that ShapeshifterBaggage only appears in the later books.

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* This is averted in some ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' books. In one book, a character who has been transformed into a toad wonders, "what happened to the rest of me?" In the very next book, we learn exactly what happens and [[BodyHorror it ain't pretty]]. [[spoiler:If a witch turns someone into a frog, they actually turn them into a frog and a large amorphous free-floating blob of chemicals.]] In other books this doesn't happen, though. Essentially the Shapeshifter Baggage question raises a conflict between two fundamental Discworld laws: the Law of NarrativeCausality (which says it should work like it does in stories) and the Law of [[EquivalentExchange Conservation of Reality]] (which says it can't be that simple). It's also possible that it depends on ''how'' the shapeshifting occurs; "natural" shapeshifting and BalefulPolymorph via mental tricks and morphic fields have "neater" results than using magic to directly warp someone's shape. The clearest visible difference, though, is the [[WatsonianVsDoylist Doylist]] explanation implied by the that ShapeshifterBaggage Shapeshifter Baggage only appears in the later books.
16th Jun '18 2:08:54 PM VVK
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* This is averted in some ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' books. In one book, a character who has been transformed into a toad wonders, "what happened to the rest of me?" In the very next book, we learn exactly what happens and [[BodyHorror it ain't pretty]]. [[spoiler:If a witch turns someone into a frog, they actually turn them into a frog and a large amorphous free-floating blob of flesh.]] In other books this doesn't happen, though. Essentially the Shapeshifter Baggage question raises a conflict between two fundemental Discworld laws: the Law of NarrativeCausality (which says it should work like it does in stories) and the Law of [[EquivalentExchange Conservation of Reality]] (which says it can't be that simple). It's also possible that it depends on ''how'' the shapeshifting occurs; "natural" shapeshifting and BalefulPolymorph via mental tricks and morphic fields have "neater" results than using magic to directly warp someone's shape.

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* This is averted in some ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' books. In one book, a character who has been transformed into a toad wonders, "what happened to the rest of me?" In the very next book, we learn exactly what happens and [[BodyHorror it ain't pretty]]. [[spoiler:If a witch turns someone into a frog, they actually turn them into a frog and a large amorphous free-floating blob of flesh.chemicals.]] In other books this doesn't happen, though. Essentially the Shapeshifter Baggage question raises a conflict between two fundemental fundamental Discworld laws: the Law of NarrativeCausality (which says it should work like it does in stories) and the Law of [[EquivalentExchange Conservation of Reality]] (which says it can't be that simple). It's also possible that it depends on ''how'' the shapeshifting occurs; "natural" shapeshifting and BalefulPolymorph via mental tricks and morphic fields have "neater" results than using magic to directly warp someone's shape. The clearest visible difference, though, is the [[WatsonianVsDoylist Doylist]] explanation implied by the that ShapeshifterBaggage only appears in the later books.
10th Jun '18 10:49:53 AM Ninamarie124
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7th Jun '18 12:53:32 AM ArielLightning
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* Out of all the Gems in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'', [[spoiler: Pink Diamond]] is the only one shown to easily shapeshift into a form much smaller than her without any complications, more specifically as [[spoiler: Rose Quartz]].
29th May '18 2:13:33 PM gophergiggles
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* He uses similar physics-defying tactics in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' where he'll transform into a fast running or high jumping quick animal like a cheetah or monkey, get some serious speed or height, and then transform into a rhino or elephant to slam into them with all that extra weight moving at that momentum.
19th May '18 2:05:23 PM LinTaylor
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* Averted in ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': When Ruby first meets Jaune, he shows off his sword and shield and says that the latter can collapse down into a scabbard when he gets tired of carrying it. Ruby [[LampshadeHanging points out]] that that shouldn't change how much it weighs, and Jaune sadly admits that she's right and it's just as heavy in either form.
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10th Apr '18 8:11:34 PM Pisthetairos
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* Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick does a DeconstructiveParody - The mass a Hydra gathers from thin air to add to its new heads is turned into a source of free food once the monster is captured. And those villagers never went hungry again.
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