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22nd Aug '16 5:45:02 AM Sinister_Sandwich
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**[[TheGoodKing Yhorm the Giant]] from ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'' sacrificed himself to the First Flame because he believed it would stop the spread of the Profaned Flame that had appeared in his homeland. Instead the Profaned Flame ran wild and destroyed his entire kingdom.
15th Aug '16 9:31:10 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''VideoGame/HaloReach''. Jorge sacrifices himself to detonate a slipspace bomb, destroying a Covenant Supercarrier. He dies believing that he'd saved Reach. ''Moments'' after his death, the main Covenant armada arrives at Reach, and the planet falls anyway.
** That said he did just destroy a ''supercarrier'' and every covenant soldier on board, he may not have saved Reach but he did do the enemy a lot of damage.

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* ''VideoGame/HaloReach''. Jorge sacrifices himself to detonate a slipspace bomb, destroying a Covenant Supercarrier. He dies believing that he'd saved Reach. ''Moments'' after his death, the main Covenant armada arrives at Reach, and the planet falls anyway.
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anyway. That said said, he did just destroy a ''supercarrier'' and every covenant Covenant soldier on board, board; he may not have saved Reach Reach, but he did do the enemy a lot of damage.
2nd Aug '16 6:02:48 AM MinisterOfSinister
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-> And I can't help but wonder, oh Willie [=McBride=]
-> Do all those who lie here know why they died?
-> Did you really believe when they told you the cause?
-> Did you really believe that this war would end wars?
-> Well, the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame,
-> The killing and dying, it was all done in vain.
-> Oh, Willie [=McBride=], it all happened again.
-> And again. And again. And again. And again.

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-> --> And I can't help but wonder, oh Willie [=McBride=]
->
[=McBride=]\\
Do all those who lie here know why they died?
->
died?\\
Did you really believe when they told you the cause?
->
cause?\\
Did you really believe that this war would end wars?
->
wars?\\
Well, the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame,
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shame,\\
The killing and dying, it was all done in vain.
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vain.\\
Oh, Willie [=McBride=], it all happened again.
->
again.\\
And again. And again. And again. And again.
2nd Aug '16 5:52:20 AM MinisterOfSinister
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There's something inherently heroic, {{trag|edy}ic, romantic, and ''triumphant'' about a HeroicSacrifice -- demonstrating bravery, commitment, and love. Even the worst villains can win [[RedemptionEqualsDeath redemption]] with a well played Heroic Sacrifice. But more importantly, a HeroicSacrifice means a willing sacrifice of oneself so that others may live.

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There's something inherently heroic, {{trag|edy}ic, {{trag|edy}}ic, romantic, and ''triumphant'' about a HeroicSacrifice -- demonstrating bravery, commitment, and love. Even the worst villains can win [[RedemptionEqualsDeath redemption]] with a well played Heroic Sacrifice. But more importantly, a HeroicSacrifice means a willing sacrifice of oneself so that others may live.
2nd Aug '16 5:52:00 AM MinisterOfSinister
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-->--'''Everard''', ''VideoGame/IcewindDale''

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-->--'''Everard''', -->-- '''Everard''', ''VideoGame/IcewindDale''
2nd Aug '16 5:51:31 AM MinisterOfSinister
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->''"The history of the Astartes is filled with defiant last stands and suicidal actions, most of which were probably unnecessary."''
-->-- ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''

There's something inherently heroic, [[{{Tragedy}} tragic]], romantic, and ''triumphant'' about a HeroicSacrifice - demonstrating bravery, commitment, and love. Even the worst villains can win [[RedemptionEqualsDeath redemption]] with a well played Heroic Sacrifice. But more importantly, a HeroicSacrifice means a willing sacrifice of oneself so that others may live.

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->''"The history of the Astartes ->''"Sacrifice is filled with defiant last stands and suicidal actions, most of which were probably unnecessary.a death that has meaning. When it is in vain, it is not a sacrifice. It is a *waste*."''
-->-- ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''

-->--'''Everard''', ''VideoGame/IcewindDale''

There's something inherently heroic, [[{{Tragedy}} tragic]], {{trag|edy}ic, romantic, and ''triumphant'' about a HeroicSacrifice - -- demonstrating bravery, commitment, and love. Even the worst villains can win [[RedemptionEqualsDeath redemption]] with a well played Heroic Sacrifice. But more importantly, a HeroicSacrifice means a willing sacrifice of oneself so that others may live.



A Senseless Sacrifice is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. It's a [[DownerEnding downer]] counterpart to a HeroicSacrifice, because rather than kill the bad guy, fulfill the prophecy, or allow the other survivors to escape alive... it ''doesn't.'' The BigBad survived the SelfDestructiveCharge, the prophecy actually meant TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt would ''start'' with a selfless sacrifice, and the boat the survivors escaped on ''has no fuel''.

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A Senseless Sacrifice is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. It's a [[DownerEnding downer]] {{downer| ending}} counterpart to a HeroicSacrifice, because rather than kill the bad guy, fulfill the prophecy, or allow the other survivors to escape alive... it ''doesn't.'' The BigBad survived the SelfDestructiveCharge, the prophecy actually meant TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt would ''start'' with a selfless sacrifice, and the boat the survivors escaped on ''has no fuel''.
4th Jul '16 1:15:51 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''Literature/TheSagaOfDarrenShan'', [[TheObiWan Mr. Crepsley]] goes out with one of these when he tackles the [[BigBad Vampaneze Lord]] during a one-on-one fight, sending them both into a spike pit below. Of course, the real Vampaneze Lord wasn't the guy he fought. It's ''Steve - the main character's childhood friend.''

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* In ''Literature/TheSagaOfDarrenShan'', [[TheObiWan Mr. Crepsley]] Crepsley goes out with one of these when he tackles the [[BigBad Vampaneze Lord]] during a one-on-one fight, sending them both into a spike pit below. Of course, the real Vampaneze Lord wasn't the guy he fought. It's ''Steve - the main character's childhood friend.''
30th Jun '16 7:07:27 PM billybobfred
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** That last bit may be at least somewhat justified. You would have to design believable AI for hundreds upon hundreds of creatures, each with any number of potential movesets.



*** But what could possibly make the use of a move like Selfdestruct even ''more'' pointless, you ask? How about if they opposing Pokémon is ghost-type? Since Selfdestruct and Explosion are both normal-type moves they will completely fail to affect ghost type Pokémon, while still killing the user.
** Perhaps even worse is a recently added move, "Memento". It will sharply decrease the target's Attack and Special Attack stats, but the user of said move faints. If a wild Pokémon uses this, it ends the battle, but...stat decreases and increases reset immediately after a battle ends.
** A new move, Final Gambit, causes the user to faint and forces the opponent to take damage equal to the user's HP. It would already qualify for a SenselessSacrifice by itself, but then you learn that Shedinja, a literal OneHitPointWonder, can learn Final Gambit.

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*** But what ** What could possibly make the use of a move like Selfdestruct even ''more'' pointless, you ask? How about if they the opposing Pokémon is ghost-type? Since Selfdestruct and Explosion are both normal-type moves they will completely fail to affect ghost type Pokémon, while still killing the user.
** Perhaps "Memento" manages to be even worse is a recently added move, "Memento".worse. It will sharply decrease the target's Attack and Special Attack stats, but the user of said move faints. If a wild Pokémon uses this, it ends the battle, but...stat decreases and increases reset immediately after a battle ends.
** A new move, Final Gambit, "Final Gambit" causes the user to faint and forces the opponent to take damage equal to the user's HP. It would already qualify for a SenselessSacrifice by itself, but then you learn that AI mons are just as prone to throwing their life away with this move as the rest. For, presumably, the laugh value, this move can be taught to Shedinja, whose gimmick is being a literal OneHitPointWonder, can learn Final Gambit.making it double as a StupidSacrifice.



* One of the main plot points in ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' revolves around this. To save the world of Sylvarant from rotting away and dying, the chosen of regeneration has to go beyond simply giving up his/her life, they give up aspects of their humanity one by one beforehand. They give up their sense of touch, taste and ability to speak before finally giving their lives. It later turns out to be pointless because Sylverant exists parallel another world called Tethalla. The two worlds exist by vying for each others mana, essentially their lifeforce. The journey of regeneration reverses the flow from one world to the other, taken by the chosen one would prosper and one would decline...If the characters in the game did complete the journey of regeneration, it would only temporarily save their world, the cycle would continue. Ultimately, they manage to solve this by [[SaveBothWorlds saving both worlds]].

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* One of the main plot points in ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' revolves around this. To save the world of Sylvarant from rotting away and dying, the chosen of regeneration has to go beyond simply giving up his/her their life, they give up aspects of their humanity one by one beforehand. They give up their sense of touch, taste and ability to speak before finally giving their lives. It later turns out to be pointless because Sylverant exists parallel another world called Tethalla. The two worlds exist by vying for each others mana, essentially their lifeforce. The journey of regeneration reverses the flow from one world to the other, taken by the chosen one would prosper and one would decline...If the characters in the game did complete the journey of regeneration, it would only temporarily save their world, the cycle would continue. Ultimately, they manage to solve this by [[SaveBothWorlds saving both worlds]].
4th Jun '16 10:58:55 PM Dravencour
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* During the Eclipse in ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'', both Pippin and Judeau make {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s to save Casca from getting killed and eaten by the ravening demons after Griffith marks them and everyone else with the Brand of Sacrifice. While Casca does escape a CruelAndUnusualDeath at the hands of the demons and ends up one of the only two survivors, she [[FateWorseThanDeath ends up suffering]] an [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty equally]] [[RapeAsDrama horrific]] [[ColdBloodedTorture ordeal]] at the hands of the newly-incarnated Femto that ultimately results in her [[GoMadFromTheRevelation losing her mind]] (as well as having the child that she made with Guts prior to the Eclipse corrupted by Femto's rape) despite Guts' best efforts to save her.

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* During the Eclipse in ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'', both Pippin and Judeau make {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s to save Casca from getting killed and eaten by the ravening demons after Griffith marks them and everyone else with the Brand of Sacrifice. While Casca does escape a CruelAndUnusualDeath at the hands of the demons and ends up one of the only two survivors, survivors thanks to their heroic efforts, she [[FateWorseThanDeath ends up suffering]] an [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty equally]] [[RapeAsDrama horrific]] [[ColdBloodedTorture ordeal]] at when Femto, Griffith reborn as the hands fifth member of the newly-incarnated Femto that Godhand, gets his hands on her, ultimately results resulting in her [[GoMadFromTheRevelation losing her mind]] (as well as having the child that she made with Guts prior to the Eclipse corrupted by Femto's rape) despite Guts' best efforts to save her.
4th Jun '16 10:56:23 PM Dravencour
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* During the Eclipse in ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'', both Pippin and Judeau make {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s to save Casca from getting killed and eaten by the ravening demons after Griffith marks them and everyone else with the Brand of Sacrifice. While Casca does escape a CruelAndUnusualDeath at the hands of the demons, she [[FateWorseThanDeath ends up suffering]] an [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty equally]] [[RapeAsDrama horrific]] [[ColdBloodedTorture ordeal]] at the hands of the newly-incarnated Femto that ultimately results in her [[GoMadFromTheRevelation losing her mind]] (as well as having the child that she made with Guts prior to the Eclipse corrupted by Femto's rape) despite Guts' best efforts to save her.

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* During the Eclipse in ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'', both Pippin and Judeau make {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s to save Casca from getting killed and eaten by the ravening demons after Griffith marks them and everyone else with the Brand of Sacrifice. While Casca does escape a CruelAndUnusualDeath at the hands of the demons, demons and ends up one of the only two survivors, she [[FateWorseThanDeath ends up suffering]] an [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty equally]] [[RapeAsDrama horrific]] [[ColdBloodedTorture ordeal]] at the hands of the newly-incarnated Femto that ultimately results in her [[GoMadFromTheRevelation losing her mind]] (as well as having the child that she made with Guts prior to the Eclipse corrupted by Femto's rape) despite Guts' best efforts to save her.
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