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30th Sep '17 1:14:11 PM Kadorhal
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If you happen to run across a now-civilian who served in the USMC, be careful that you don't address them as an ''ex-''Marine; that ignoble distinction is (usually) reserved for personnel who receive a dishonorable discharge from the Corps. In one Marine's words , "The only ex-Marines are Lee Harvey Oswald and Charles Whitman." The title of Marine is permanent once it is earned, as long as it is not revoked for dishonorable behavior. ''Former'' or ''Veteran'' Marine is preferred, though if you know it you can also use their last achieved rank before leaving the service. ''Retired'' Marine works too, depending on the context. It's kind of odd to refer to a 25-year-old currently working in the same place as you as "retired." The Marines' attitude is summed up by this statement: [[InItForLife "Once a Marine, always a Marine".]]

Don't call 'em "[[SoldierVsWarrior soldier]]". Most of 'em don't like that, either. Don't try debating them at it, either; it's a whole ''thing''. For that matter, actual soldiers (that is, those service-members who are in the US Army) will take offense to you calling Marines "soldiers" as well, because "they ain't soldiers, they're just Marines."

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If you happen to run across a now-civilian who served in the USMC, be careful that you don't address them as an ''ex-''Marine; that ignoble distinction is (usually) reserved for personnel who receive a dishonorable discharge from the Corps. In one Marine's words , "The only ex-Marines are Lee Harvey Oswald and Charles Whitman." The title of Marine is permanent once it is earned, as long as it is not revoked for dishonorable behavior. ''Former'' or ''Veteran'' Marine is preferred, though if you know it you can also use their last achieved rank before leaving the service. ''Retired'' Marine works too, depending on the context. It's context - it's kind of odd to refer to a 25-year-old currently working in the same place as you as "retired." The Marines' attitude is summed up by this statement: [[InItForLife "Once a Marine, always a Marine".]]

Don't call 'em "[[SoldierVsWarrior soldier]]". Most of 'em don't like that, either. Don't try debating them at it, either; it's a whole ''thing''. For that matter, actual soldiers (that is, those service-members who are in the US Army) will [[InterserviceRivalry take offense offense]] to you calling Marines "soldiers" as well, because "they ain't soldiers, they're just Marines."



** Subverted in ''ComicBook/ThePunisherBorn''. The story takes place in a base filled with Marines who are amoral washouts, depicted as either apathetic or cruel, run by incompetent commanding officers. As a Marine Frank Castle was shown to be addicted to combat, willing to indirectly kill a General in order to keep his firebase (and therefore ''his'', war) going. Overall this depiction certainly doesn't sit well with the brave, heroic image the USMC typically has.

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** Subverted in ''ComicBook/ThePunisherBorn''. The story takes place in a base filled with Marines who are amoral washouts, depicted as either apathetic or cruel, run by incompetent commanding officers. As a Marine Marine, Frank Castle was shown to be addicted to combat, willing to indirectly kill a General in order to keep his firebase (and therefore ''his'', his war) going. Overall this depiction certainly doesn't sit well with the brave, heroic image the USMC typically has.



--->'''General:''' "You. American. Do you see these men I have here with me?"
--->'''Spy:''' "Y-yes.''
--->'''General:''' "These men are [[EvilCounterpart Black Sea Marines]]. At a word from me, they will gut and bone and joint you. Now, for the first and last time, why are you here?"

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--->'''General:''' "You.You. American. Do you see these men I have here with me?"
--->'''Spy:''' "Y-yes.''
--->'''General:''' "These
me?\\
'''Spy:''' Y-yes.\\
'''General:''' These
men are [[EvilCounterpart Black Sea Marines]]. At a word from me, they will gut and bone and joint you. Now, for the first and last time, why are you here?"here?



* ''[[VideoGame/ModernWarfare Call of Duty 4]]''
** This could be [[spoiler:considered a subversion, as the main USMC troop is killed off, and the final missions are completed with you playing as an SAS member (albeit assisted by a few USMC troops). Of course, it could also be considered to be playing it straight, if you assume the game is saying that you ''[[GodzillaThreshold need a nuke]]'' to beat the USMC]].
*** In ''Modern Warfare 2'', the Rangers were never heard from again. ''Modern Warfare 3'' had the [[spoiler:Delta Force Team dying in a pit]]. It took a [[spoiler:nuke and helicopter crash to kill Sgt. Jackson. Even then, he has to crawl out of the wreckage and be exposed to radiation to die]].
* ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyWorldAtWar'' features the US marines in the Pacific Campaign of WWII.
** ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyBlackOps'': Both Woods and Mason were Marines before being recruited into Operation 40.
* ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyAdvancedWarfare'': Jack Mitchell was US Marine who lost his left arm fighting in Seoul, he joins Atlas who provides him a new arm.
* The ''VideoGame/{{Battlefield}}'' series has a fondness for the Corps, with the USMC as a playable faction in ''Battlefield 2'' facing off against ChineseWithChopperSupport and the MiddleEasternCoalition. And featuring prominently in ''VideoGame/{{Battlefield 3}}''.

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* ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty'':
** The primary American protagonist in
''[[VideoGame/ModernWarfare Call of Duty 4]]''
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4]]'' is a Force Recon Marine. This depiction, however, could be [[spoiler:considered a subversion, as the main USMC troop is killed off, the player character's squad in particular precisely because of the "no one gets left behind" attitude, and the final missions are completed with you playing as an SAS member (albeit assisted by a few USMC troops). Of course, it could also be considered to be playing it straight, if you assume the game is saying that you ''[[GodzillaThreshold need a nuke]]'' to beat the USMC]].
*** In ''Modern Warfare 2'', the Rangers were never heard from again. ''Modern Warfare 3'' had the [[spoiler:Delta Force Team dying in a pit]]. It took a [[spoiler:nuke and helicopter crash to kill Sgt. Jackson. Even then, he has to crawl out of the wreckage and be exposed to radiation to die]].
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** ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyWorldAtWar'' features the US marines in the Pacific Campaign of WWII.
** ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyBlackOps'': Both Woods and Mason were Marines before being recruited into Operation 40.
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40. Mason was a Force Recon Captain, Woods a Master Sergeant.
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''VideoGame/CallOfDutyAdvancedWarfare'': Jack Mitchell was US Marine who lost his left arm fighting in Seoul, he joins Atlas who provides him a new arm.
* The ''VideoGame/{{Battlefield}}'' series has a fondness for the Corps, with as every single game from the USMC very beginning has featured them as a playable faction in one of the American factions, often alongside the regular Army. In ''Battlefield 2'' the Marines take over entirely as the sole American faction facing off against ChineseWithChopperSupport and the MiddleEasternCoalition. And featuring prominently in MiddleEasternCoalition, and they return for ''VideoGame/{{Battlefield 3}}''.3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Battlefield 4}}'' - the only games they don't appear in in some form are the first ''VideoGame/BattlefieldBadCompany'', ''[[VideoGame/BattlefieldHardline Hardline]]'' (quite reasonably since that's CopsAndRobbers rather than real warfare), and ''VideoGame/Battlefield1''.



-->'''Johnson:''' Dear humanity, We regret bein' alien bastards, we regret comin' to Earth, and we most definitely regret that the Corps just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet!
--> '''Marines:''' '''OO-RAH!'''

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-->'''Johnson:''' Dear humanity, humanity: We regret bein' alien bastards, we regret comin' to Earth, and we most definitely regret that the Corps just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet!
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fleet!\\
'''Marines:''' '''OO-RAH!'''



* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'''s Frank Horrigan is what happens when a Secret Service Agent is turned into a psychotic mutant and given drugs and ''PowerArmor''. His last words are "Semper Fiiii"

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'''s Frank Horrigan is what happens when a Secret Service Agent is turned into a psychotic mutant and given drugs and ''PowerArmor''. PoweredArmor. His last words are "Semper Fiiii"Fiiii".



* [[http://terminallance.com/ Terminal Lance]] - ''"You can't spell "Disgruntled" without "Grunt"''

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* [[http://terminallance.com/ Terminal Lance]] - ''"You can't spell "Disgruntled" without "Grunt"''"Grunt"''.



*** Also, "USMC" means "Uncle Sam's Misguided Children."
*** “When I graduated from the Naval Academy, I tried to get into the Marine Corps, but my parents were married”--John [=McCain=], U.S. Senator (and 2008 Republican presidential candidate). He ended up a Navy aviator. (For the record, his son Jimmy [=McCain=] ''enlisted'' in the Marines, during the [[UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror Iraq War]], no less--and yes, the elder [=McCain=] was married to Jimmy's mother.)

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*** Also, "USMC" means "Uncle Sam's Misguided Children."
" This was originally another insult along the lines of the above, but [[InsultBackfire then the Marines adopted it themselves]].
*** “When I graduated from the Naval Academy, I tried to get into the Marine Corps, but my parents were married”--John married.” --John [=McCain=], U.S. Senator (and 2008 Republican presidential candidate). He ended up a Navy aviator. (For For the record, his son Jimmy [=McCain=] ''enlisted'' in the Marines, during the [[UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror Iraq War]], no less--and less -- and yes, the elder [=McCain=] was married to Jimmy's mother.)
25th Sep '17 12:20:51 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* The Marine Corps spent most of its life without dedicated special forces units. When the Marine Raiders were established during World War II, many Marines were offended by the concept of an elite force within an elite force and the implication that Raiders could be tougher and more capable than any given Marine. The units were subsequently disbanded and only recently has the Corps revisited the idea of special forces.
** Well, yes and no. Force Recon has been around for many decades, and many would consider it a special operations force in all but name. Technically it's merely a "Special Operations Capable" force.

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* The Marine Corps spent most of its life without dedicated special forces units. When the Marine Raiders were established during World War II, many Marines were offended by the concept of an elite force within an elite force and the implication that Raiders could be tougher and more capable than any given Marine. The units were subsequently disbanded and only recently has the Corps revisited the idea of special forces.
** Well, yes and no.
disbanded. However, Force Recon has been around for many decades, and many would consider it a special operations force in all but name. Technically it's merely a "Special Operations Capable" force.
16th Sep '17 8:10:29 AM dmcreif
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* ''Series/Daredevil2015'' and ''Series/ThePunisher2017'': The MCU version of Frank Castle is a former Marine. He single-handedly took out 37 Taliban fighters in an ambush that cost his commanding officer's right arm, while the photographs that Karen finds in Frank's house show he was a recipient of the Navy Cross Award. Frank also made friends out of fellow platoon members like Billy Russo and Curtis Hoyle.
* ''Series/LukeCage2016'': Before he went into Seagate, Luke was a Force Recon Marine.
9th Sep '17 4:04:55 PM HighfalutinEaglet
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* Every other branch of the service, including the Coast Guard, tells and retells the joke about how X individual joined the Marine Corps because they couldn't match the IQ requirement of Y branch of service, where "Y" is invariably the branch that the joker belongs to. While these are just jokes (and they ''aren't'' just restricted to jokes about Marines; if you're Army, you tell that about Navy, Air Force, etc; if you're Navy, you tell it about the Army, and so forth), there is some truth to the fact that, in general, Marine Corps training creates service members who act first and think later, often to their own detriment.

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* Every other branch of the service, including the Coast Guard, tells and retells the joke about how X individual joined the Marine Corps because they couldn't match the IQ requirement of Y branch of service, where "Y" is invariably the branch that the joker belongs to. While these are just jokes (and they ''aren't'' just restricted to jokes about Marines; if you're Army, you tell that about Navy, Air Force, etc; if you're Navy, you tell it about the Army, and so forth), there is some truth to the fact that, in general, Marine Corps training creates service members who act first and think later, often to their own detriment. Of course, in the Marine style of warfare, spending time thinking things through thoroughly before acting is suicide.
25th Aug '17 11:01:08 AM poi99
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That is the Marine myth. Like most successful myths, it has some basis in fact. A propagandist can't really create such things unless it is plausible and fulfills some natural human impulse. The Marine myth is recognizably similar in kind with the myths of several other elite military units, like the [[LegionOfLostSouls French Foreign Legion]] or the [[UsefulNotes/NepaliWithNastyKnives Gurkhas]]. What makes the Marine myth special is simply that many Americans take pleasure in it and therefore Hollywood does, creating wider mileage.

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That is the Marine myth. Like most successful myths, it has some basis in fact. A propagandist can't really create such things unless it is plausible and fulfills some natural human impulse. The Marine myth idea is recognizably similar in kind with the myths of several other elite military units, like the [[LegionOfLostSouls French Foreign Legion]] or the [[UsefulNotes/NepaliWithNastyKnives Gurkhas]]. What makes the Marine myth special is simply that many Americans take pleasure in it and therefore Hollywood does, creating wider mileage.
19th Aug '17 2:39:31 PM Frankencastle
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* ''Manga/{{Jormungand}}'': Show up a number of times throughout the series. Most notably when they are sent to rescue CIA operative Bookman from a local Islamic extremist group.

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* ''Manga/{{Jormungand}}'': Show The Marines show up a number of times throughout the series. Most notably when they are sent to rescue CIA operative Bookman from a local Islamic extremist group. And proceed to not only complete their mission without fail, but also completely ''[[CurbStompBattle eviscerate]]'' [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome the aforementioned extremist group.]]



* Billy Butcher from ''ComicBook/TheBoys'' was in the ''Royal'' Marines.



* ComicBook/{{Deadshot}}'s ComicBook/{{New 52}} incarnation is a former Marine. And as rotten as he is, he DOES save the world as a member of the ComicBook/SuicideSquad.

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* ComicBook/{{Deadshot}}'s ComicBook/{{New 52}} incarnation is a former Marine. And as rotten as he is, he DOES ''does'' save the world as a member of the ComicBook/SuicideSquad.



* Creator/MarvelComics published a comic book titled ''Semper Fi'' featuring fictionalised accounts of conflicts the USMC had been involved in.

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* Creator/MarvelComics published a comic book titled ''Semper Fi'' featuring fictionalised fictionalized accounts of conflicts the USMC had been involved in.
7th Aug '17 5:40:31 AM jamespolk
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* In fiction this trope probably dates back to 1926 and ''Film/TellItToTheMarines'', in which a DrillSergeantNasty takes a callow, lazy youth and finally succeeds in molding him into a brave Marine.
26th Jul '17 4:50:56 PM Rmpdc
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* ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty: World at War'' features the US marines in the Pacific Campaign of WWII.

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* ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty: World at War'' ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyWorldAtWar'' features the US marines in the Pacific Campaign of WWII.
15th Jul '17 10:25:38 AM nombretomado
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* ''Film/TheGodfather'': Michael Corleone is a former Marine Captain, veteran of the [[WorldWarII Pacific War]], was awarded the Navy Cross, and perhaps not coincidentally is one of the most ruthless characters in fiction.

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* ''Film/TheGodfather'': Michael Corleone is a former Marine Captain, veteran of the [[WorldWarII [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Pacific War]], was awarded the Navy Cross, and perhaps not coincidentally is one of the most ruthless characters in fiction.
12th Jul '17 3:49:34 PM Frankencastle
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* A Russian GeneralRipper in the "Mother Russia" story arc of PunisherMax uses this trope to get the message across to a captured spy that he's not to be fucked with.

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* A Russian GeneralRipper in ** [[GeneralRipper General]] [[DirtyCommies Nikolai Zakharov]], a Punisher villain from the "Mother Russia" story arc of PunisherMax [[ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX MAX]] continuity, uses this trope to get the message across to a captured spy [[SmugSnake William]] [[DirtyCoward Rawlins]] that he's not to be fucked with.



--->'''General:''' "These men are Black Sea Marines. At a word from me, they will gut and bone and joint you. Now, for the first and last time, why are you here?"

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--->'''General:''' "These men are [[EvilCounterpart Black Sea Marines.Marines]]. At a word from me, they will gut and bone and joint you. Now, for the first and last time, why are you here?"
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