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31st May '16 11:36:33 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* [[TheDeterminator Starscream]] of ''TransformersCybertron'' pulls this one off - and is such a {{determinator}}, he actually wins ''and survives'' . The reason it's this trope, rather than FoeTossingCharge, is that he eats a number of powerful attacks on the way, and is covered in visible damage by the end of it; he nearly dies (or at least nearly falls unconscious, which is a big deal in this series), and revives himself through sheer willpower, thus fulfilling the "while their body falls apart around them" criteria above.

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* [[TheDeterminator Starscream]] of ''TransformersCybertron'' ''Anime/TransformersCybertron'' pulls this one off - and is such a {{determinator}}, he actually wins ''and survives'' . The reason it's this trope, rather than FoeTossingCharge, is that he eats a number of powerful attacks on the way, and is covered in visible damage by the end of it; he nearly dies (or at least nearly falls unconscious, which is a big deal in this series), and revives himself through sheer willpower, thus fulfilling the "while their body falls apart around them" criteria above.
30th May '16 3:02:24 PM triscion
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** Shinn, being TheBerserker, has a ''really'' bad habit of doing this in general. He gets away with it for most of the series, but when Kira and [[spoiler: Athrun]] make their comeback, Shinn's brazen tactics turn into this trope. Kira in particular had learned from their last fight, and had [[LetsGetDangerous adjusted his tactics accordingly]]; at one point he actually swiped Shinn's ever-mighty {{BFS}} out of his hands. [[spoiler: Athrun, meanwhile, would simply deflect Shinn's charges then counterattack, sometimes taking a weapon away in the process.]]
28th Feb '16 8:19:50 AM MAI742
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* [[StrategyVersusTactics Operationally, Alexander Svechin noted that all offensives have the potential to become one of these]]: "The most skillful strategic offensive leads to a catastrophe if available means are inadequate to achieve fortuitously the ultimate aim, which guarantees us peace."

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* [[StrategyVersusTactics Operationally, Alexander Svechin noted that all offensives have the potential to become one of these]]: "The most skillful strategic offensive leads to a catastrophe if available means are inadequate to achieve fortuitously the ultimate aim, which guarantees us peace. Because of this offensive property, the attacker must select his ultimate military aim no farther than that line, beyond which, if we were to cross it, our successes would begin to go downhill."
28th Feb '16 8:16:53 AM MAI742
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* Any attack conducted against strong tactical defenses without sufficient artillery (or air) preparation and support is a SelfDestructiveCharge regardless of how motivated, experienced, or well-armed the attacking force is. Even if the defender's artillery (or airpower) isn't strong enough or doesn't have the ammo to annihilate the attacking force, then it will still ensure that the course of combat and balance of losses favour the defender.

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* Any Tactically, any attack conducted against strong tactical defenses without sufficient artillery (or air) preparation and support is a SelfDestructiveCharge regardless of how motivated, experienced, or well-armed the attacking force is. Even if the defender's artillery (or airpower) isn't strong enough or doesn't have the ammo to annihilate the attacking force, then it will still ensure that the course of combat and balance of losses favour the defender.
* [[StrategyVersusTactics Operationally, Alexander Svechin noted that all offensives have the potential to become one of these]]: "The most skillful strategic offensive leads to a catastrophe if available means are inadequate to achieve fortuitously the ultimate aim, which guarantees us peace."
19th Feb '16 3:41:23 AM alchixinren
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* When Arthur impales Mordred on his spear in ''Literature/LeMorteDarthur'', Mordred draws himself up the spear to land one last fatal blow on Arthur. Reversed in ''Film/Excalibur''.

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* When Arthur impales [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impales]] Mordred on his spear in ''Literature/LeMorteDarthur'', Mordred draws himself up the spear to land one last fatal blow on Arthur. Reversed in ''Film/Excalibur''.''Film/{{Excalibur}}''.
19th Feb '16 3:39:36 AM alchixinren
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* When Arthur impales Mordred on his spear in ''Literature/LeMorteDarthur'', Mordred draws himself up the spear to land one last fatal blow on Arthur. Reversed in ''Film/Excalibur''.
4th Jan '16 4:10:52 AM morane
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Note that this trope only refers to "charge" as "to rush forward". Other definitions of the word "charge" may be simultaneously employed to the same result, but they fall under different tropes. These include but are not limited to: [[SelfDestructMechanism a quantity of explosives]], [[ExplosiveOverclocking accumulation of energy]], [[HonorBeforeReason imposition of a duty]], or [[PyrrhicVictory financial cost]].

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Note that this trope only refers to "charge" as "to rush forward". Other definitions of the word "charge" may be simultaneously employed to the same result, but they fall under different tropes. These include but are not limited to: [[SelfDestructMechanism a quantity of explosives]], [[ExplosiveOverclocking accumulation of energy]], [[HonorBeforeReason imposition of a duty]], or [[PyrrhicVictory financial cost]].
cost]]. This trope heavily overlaps with RammingAlwaysWorks, if the charge is launched on a machine instead of body of troops.


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*** The Mamluks at [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Pyramids Battle of Pyramids]].
30th Nov '15 4:21:01 AM MAI742
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*** Many WorldWarOne battles, most infamously the Germans at Verdun and the British on the first day of the Somme. The British and Empire forces at Gallipoli.
*** The Banzai charges of the Japanese army during WorldWarII, which were standard operating procedure when they were losing. The preference to die charging the enemy with a melee weapon rather than surrender meant that Japanese [=POWs=] were comparatively rare.

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*** Many Several pre-1916 WorldWarOne campaigns and battles, most infamously due to the Germans at Verdun and extremely steep 'learning curve' in modern artillery techniques. The entire year of 1915 on the Western Front (half a million French dead, 50k Commonwealth dead) worked out this way, with neither the French nor the British being able to improve their artillery ammunition production or artillerymen's skills enough for their tactical attacks to result in anything but near-total losses. Attacking riflemen were repeatedly mulched by enemy artillery fire, with Entente artillery failing to hit the enemy's artillery and barely hitting the enemy trenches.
*** Several post-1916 WorldWarOne campaigns and battles where artillery techniques were imperfectly applied. Infamously Crown Prince Frederic's Third Army at Verdun in February-November 1916, after he abandoned Falkenhayn's 'casualty-light' strategic intention for the offensive (by making heavy use of artillery) and tried to capture Verdun 'at any cost' (using infantry attacks with light or non-existent artillery support). Frederic's insubordination made Verdun backfire so badly for the German Army (with a quarter-million dead and a million wounded) that it was virtually forced to focus
on defeating Russia again in 1917 (after failing to do so in 1915). Continued imperfect application of artillery techniques meant that the first day on the Somme campaign resulted in the death of a sixth of the Somme. The attacking force in the sectors covered by British artillery and Empire forces at Gallipoli.
the hospitalisation of another third (for a total of 20k dead and 40k wounded, losses in the French-covered sector being pretty light).
*** The Banzai charges of the Japanese army during WorldWarII, which were standard operating procedure against Chinese Warlord troops (who weren't paid enough to deal with that shit, if they actually got paid at all) and when they were losing. about to be defeated. The preference to die charging the enemy with a melee weapon rather than surrender meant that helped keep the number of Japanese [=POWs=] were comparatively rare.low, not least because it further disinclined those on the receiving end of said charges to actually accept surrenders.
30th Nov '15 4:00:08 AM MAI742
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* A [[ZergRush Human Wave Attack]] failing its objective will inevitably become a SelfDestructiveCharge.

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* A [[ZergRush Human Wave Attack]] failing its objective Any attack conducted against strong tactical defenses without sufficient artillery (or air) preparation and support is a SelfDestructiveCharge regardless of how motivated, experienced, or well-armed the attacking force is. Even if the defender's artillery (or airpower) isn't strong enough or doesn't have the ammo to annihilate the attacking force, then it will inevitably become a SelfDestructiveCharge.still ensure that the course of combat and balance of losses favour the defender.
21st Nov '15 1:59:19 PM lorgskyegon
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** It's played straighter when Magneto sends his conscripts to charge the military guarding Alcatraz Island, while holding back his strongest lieutenants. "The pawns go first" indeed.
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