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18th Aug '16 12:32:43 AM PaulA
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* Justified in the Literature/VorkosiganSaga. The ever-escalating race between space weapons and the defenses to stop them has resulted in extremely short ranged weaponry. This is explained in a brief narrative Infodump towards the end of "The Warrior's Apprentice" and more or less never comes up again; despite being ostensibly military sci-fi, the books usually focus on people, not pulse lasers.

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* Justified in the Literature/VorkosiganSaga. The ever-escalating race between space weapons and the defenses to stop them has resulted in extremely short ranged weaponry. This is explained in a brief narrative Infodump towards the end of "The Warrior's Apprentice" ''Literature/TheWarriorsApprentice'' and more or less never comes up again; despite being ostensibly military sci-fi, the books usually focus on people, not pulse lasers.
26th Jul '16 3:40:45 PM Saber15
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* The longest-ranged anticapital gun in the ''VideoGame/{{X}}3'' trilogy [[ArbitraryMaximumRange fades out]] at 6.62 km. Factor in, that's only two to three times longer than the ''ship'' is, and that the effective range is often a kilometer or so shorter. Averted with missile frigates, however, whose MacrossMissileMassacre can blow away targets from nearly 80 kilometers away (though effective range is closer to 30 km because of sensor range limitations, unless you have another ship acting as a spotter).

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* The longest-ranged anticapital gun in the ''VideoGame/{{X}}3'' trilogy later ''[[[VideoGame/{{X}} X-Universe]]'' games [[ArbitraryMaximumRange fades out]] at 6.62 km. Factor in, that's only two to three times longer than the ''ship'' is, and that the effective range is often a kilometer or so shorter. Averted with missile frigates, however, whose MacrossMissileMassacre can blow away targets from nearly 80 kilometers away (though effective range is closer to 30 km because of sensor range limitations, unless you have another ship [[TargetSpotter acting as a spotter).spotter]]). Weapon ranges remain equally pathetic in ''Videogame/XRebirth'', where the Plasma/JET LR DeathRay on the Olmekron has a range shorter than ship it's mounted on



* In the ''[[Videogame/{{X}} X-Universe]]'' series of space simulators, capital ships have a maximum cannon range of 7 kilometers, which is even more pathetic when one considers that capital ships are [[MileLongShip at least 2 kilometers long]]. Missiles from the dedicated missile frigates and bombers have a much more forgiving range of 80 kilometers, long enough for them to require a TargetSpotter satellite or scout ship. Weapon ranges are just as comically pathetic in ''Videogame/XRebirth'', where the Plasma/JET LR DeathRay on the Olmekron has a range shorter than the length of the ship it's mounted on
26th Jul '16 3:38:08 PM Saber15
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* In the ''[[Videogame/{{X}} X-Universe]]'' series of space simulators, capital ships have a maximum cannon range of 7 kilometers, which is even more pathetic when one considers that capital ships are [[MileLongShip at least 2 kilometers long]]. Missiles from the dedicated missile frigates and bombers have a much more forgiving range of 80 kilometers, long enough for them to require a TargetSpotter satellite or scout ship. Weapon ranges are just as comically pathetic in ''Videogame/XRebirth'', where the Plasma/JET LR DeathRay on the Olmekron has a range shorter than the length of the ship it's mounted on
7th Jun '16 12:14:21 PM Willbyr
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* Averted for the most part in ''TowardTheTerra''. Several space battles are shown to be taking place at such distances that the opposing sides can't even see each other; at one point when preparing to attack a planet, the attacking force parks its superweapon behind a gas giant in the same solar system to keep it from being detected, and simply fires it from there when they're ready. The real reason close mobile suit battle happens is because most mobile suits seem at least somewhat capable of [[DodgeTheBullet dodging cannon fire]].

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* Averted for the most part in ''TowardTheTerra''.''Manga/TowardTheTerra''. Several space battles are shown to be taking place at such distances that the opposing sides can't even see each other; at one point when preparing to attack a planet, the attacking force parks its superweapon behind a gas giant in the same solar system to keep it from being detected, and simply fires it from there when they're ready. The real reason close mobile suit battle happens is because most mobile suits seem at least somewhat capable of [[DodgeTheBullet dodging cannon fire]].
2nd May '16 8:50:33 PM DeltaDart
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* During TheVietnamWar, American jets carries carried the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-7_Sparrow Sparrow missile]] which was designed to shoot down Russian bombers ''beyond visual range''. Unfortunately, due to a fear of friendly fire, commanders instructed fighter pilots to only fire on a hostile aircraft after ''visual'' identification , completely negating the technological advantage of the long range missile. The missiles were completely ill suited for tracking maneuvering targets in a dogfight and achieved a kill rate of under 10%.

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* During TheVietnamWar, American jets carries carried the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-7_Sparrow Sparrow missile]] which was designed to shoot down Russian bombers ''beyond visual range''. Unfortunately, due to a fear [[ObstructiveCodeOfConduct rules of friendly fire, engagement]], commanders instructed fighter pilots to only fire on a hostile aircraft after ''visual'' identification , completely negating the technological advantage of the long range missile. The missiles were completely ill suited for tracking maneuvering targets in a dogfight and achieved a kill rate of under 10%.
2nd May '16 8:50:33 PM DeltaDart
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19th Apr '16 11:13:00 AM erforce
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* ''Literature/JohnCarterOfMars''. Despite the incredible range of Martian rifles everyone still carries and uses swords/spears. An honor code exists that specifies that a Martian must, when challenged, use an equivalent or inferior weapon (if someone charges you with a long sword you can fight him with your short sword, but you can't go the IndianaJones route and just shoot him.) It's also considered unsporting to kill an unsuspecting target without issuing a challenge first... the Green Martians near the start of the series ''do'' fire upon Red Martians from ambush, but as the Red Martians they're firing at are in a ''flying battleship'' it's not as unfair as it sounds.

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* ''Literature/JohnCarterOfMars''. Despite the incredible range of Martian rifles everyone still carries and uses swords/spears. An honor code exists that specifies that a Martian must, when challenged, use an equivalent or inferior weapon (if someone charges you with a long sword you can fight him with your short sword, but you can't go the IndianaJones Franchise/IndianaJones route and just shoot him.) It's also considered unsporting to kill an unsuspecting target without issuing a challenge first... the Green Martians near the start of the series ''do'' fire upon Red Martians from ambush, but as the Red Martians they're firing at are in a ''flying battleship'' it's not as unfair as it sounds.
16th Apr '16 1:55:00 AM Morgenthaler
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** May be somewhat {{justified|Trope}} in that Cylon ECM is usually enough to make any kind of guided Colonial munition worthless, necessitating a close-in gun battle.
** Also Justified by the presence of FTL that cannot be jammed or traced. As demonstrated by the Colonial fleet surviving multiple Cylon attacks by the simple but effective tactic of jumping away every time the Cylons show up. In such a situation the only realistic option for an attacker is to jump in practically on top of their target, so they can hit them before they jump away. Since both sides rely heavily (but not exclusively) on fighters which must be launched and then get close to the target (presumably since their own guns have unspectacular muzzle velocity) this means positioning your capital ships very close indeed. Of course all of this assumes your target will want to run away (and you want to prevent him), but if he thinks he can fight back you may want to reconsider your attack anyway.
16th Apr '16 1:54:34 AM Morgenthaler
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* Averted in Joe Haldeman's ''TheForeverWar''. The battles take place across entire star-systems at good fractions of light-speed (and even then it can take days or weeks for a single battle to finish), and while ships do have lasers for last-ditch defense, most of the action uses drones (big missiles), with a backup of 'fighters' (though these are probably closer to motor-torpedo boats in that they require 3 crew, and can fit up to 12).

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* Averted in Joe Haldeman's ''TheForeverWar''.''Literature/TheForeverWar''. The battles take place across entire star-systems at good fractions of light-speed (and even then it can take days or weeks for a single battle to finish), and while ships do have lasers for last-ditch defense, most of the action uses drones (big missiles), with a backup of 'fighters' (though these are probably closer to motor-torpedo boats in that they require 3 crew, and can fit up to 12).



* Averted in ''TheLordsOfCreation'' series where it's pointed out that such as system as above wouldn't work, as "the cheaters would win too often."

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* Averted in ''TheLordsOfCreation'' ''Literature/TheLordsOfCreation'' series where it's pointed out that such as system as above wouldn't work, as "the cheaters would win too often."



* Played for laughs in ''WhoseLineIsItAnyway'', where Ryan's suggestion for an "uninspiring battlecry" was "Don't shoot till you see the whites!" [[CrossesTheLineTwice Then Wayne enters the scene as a soldier presumably under Ryan's command.]] Admittedly, [[FridgeBrilliance you'd need to be at close range to discern the enemy's race...]]

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* Played for laughs in ''WhoseLineIsItAnyway'', ''Series/WhoseLineIsItAnyway'', where Ryan's suggestion for an "uninspiring battlecry" was "Don't shoot till you see the whites!" [[CrossesTheLineTwice Then Wayne enters the scene as a soldier presumably under Ryan's command.]] Admittedly, [[FridgeBrilliance you'd need to be at close range to discern the enemy's race...]]
4th Apr '16 10:28:48 AM Scorntex
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* Parodied in one issue of ''ComicBook/TheSimpsons'' ("Hail To The Cat!"), wherein the British have invaded Springfield ([[ItMakesSenseInContext long story]]), so the town stages a ''new'' American Revolution to force them out. Mayor Quimby makes the declaration, only for the British to pull out sunglasses ("We're not falling for that one again!"), and catch the Springfieldians off-guard.
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