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19th Sep '17 11:20:26 PM Random888
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* True to its historical setting, ''Videogame/TheSimsMedieval'' has the Physician Sim using leeches as part of his/her repertoire. Unlike in RealLife, bloodletting is apparently an effective treatment in the game's universe.
17th Sep '17 6:05:12 PM nombretomado
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* When Creator/StanleyKubrick moved ''Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey'' from Saturn to Jupiter, he did so because he couldn't pull off the special effects for a realistic depiction of Saturn. Then the Voyager probes in 1979 discovered that one of Jupiter's moons, Europa, has a huge amount of ice, and eventually found a subsurface ocean that makes Europa more likely to harbor life than Mars. This inspired ArthurCClarke to eventually write ''three more novels'', making Europa the central setting of the series.

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* When Creator/StanleyKubrick moved ''Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey'' from Saturn to Jupiter, he did so because he couldn't pull off the special effects for a realistic depiction of Saturn. Then the Voyager probes in 1979 discovered that one of Jupiter's moons, Europa, has a huge amount of ice, and eventually found a subsurface ocean that makes Europa more likely to harbor life than Mars. This inspired ArthurCClarke Creator/ArthurCClarke to eventually write ''three more novels'', making Europa the central setting of the series.
11th Sep '17 12:05:12 PM mogryo
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** For the most part, yes, although the continued existence of such creatures as Tuataras, Coelacanths, Horseshoe Crabs and indeed Stromatolites (The creatures that gave the atmosphere most of its oxygen) indicates that this isn't ''entirely'' impossible. The idea that fossil species '''had''' to still be hiding out somewhere was debunked, however.

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** For the most part, yes, although the continued existence of such creatures as Tuataras, Coelacanths, Horseshoe Crabs and indeed Stromatolites (The creatures that gave the atmosphere most of its oxygen) indicates that this isn't ''entirely'' impossible. The idea that fossil species '''had''' to still be hiding out somewhere was debunked, however.
11th Sep '17 11:47:29 AM urutapu
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* Mew Zakuro of ''Manga/TokyoMewMew'', for a short time, faced the same fate as Sailor Pluto: as of February 2008, the grey wolf (Canis lupus) was removed from the Red List, but sadly for it and luckily for her, it came back in October of the same year.

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* Mew Zakuro of ''Manga/TokyoMewMew'', for a short time, faced the same fate as Sailor Pluto: as of February 2008, the grey wolf (Canis lupus) (''Canis lupus'') was removed from the Red List, but sadly for it and luckily for her, it came back in October of the same year.
11th Sep '17 6:53:31 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* Much of the plot and drama in ''Franchise/MassEffect'' hangs on the Quarians' weak immune systems that forces them to live in the enviro-suits and all. This is actually a solid science, based on the (fortunately exceedingly rare) RealLife condition... which we seemingly have just learned how to heal. In 2016. With no aliens in sight. There goes half of the story.

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* Much of the plot and drama in ''Franchise/MassEffect'' hangs on the Quarians' weak immune systems that forces them to live in the enviro-suits and all. This is actually a solid science, based on the (fortunately exceedingly rare) RealLife condition... which we seemingly have just learned how to heal. In 2016. With no aliens in sight. There goes half of the story.
10th Sep '17 9:19:41 PM PaulA
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** Depictions of Pluto that not only portray it as a planet but as one that is completely and utterly different from the big ball of ice we know it as today, Yuggoth from ''[[Creator/HPLovecraft The Whisperer in Darkness]]'' being one of them.

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** Depictions of Pluto that not only portray it as a planet but as one that is completely and utterly different from the big ball of ice we know it as today, Yuggoth from ''[[Creator/HPLovecraft The Whisperer in Darkness]]'' Creator/HPLovecraft's "Literature/TheWhispererInDarkness" being one of them.



* Creator/HPLovecraft's ''Literature/AtTheMountainsOfMadness'' got it right by going against conventional scientific belief when he uses continental drift at a time when most geologists didn't accept the idea. Subsequent scientific marching has proved the story mostly right on this point. But he got it wrong when he wrote about continents rising and sinking from the ocean. He also wrote that the Pacific ocean had been created when the moon was separated from Earth, and that parts of the Antarctic had remained unchanged for almost 4 billion years. And the aliens in the story (as well as in ''Whispers in the Dark'') could travel between planets by flying through æther. Later Cthulhu Mythos stories typically retcon the Elder Things' space flight as their wings being biological solar sails.

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* Creator/HPLovecraft's ''Literature/AtTheMountainsOfMadness'' got it right by going against conventional scientific belief when he uses continental drift at a time when most geologists didn't accept the idea. Subsequent scientific marching has proved the story mostly right on this point. But he got it wrong when he wrote about continents rising and sinking from the ocean. He also wrote that the Pacific ocean had been created when the moon was separated from Earth, and that parts of the Antarctic had remained unchanged for almost 4 billion years. And the aliens in the story (as well as in ''Whispers in the Dark'') could travel between planets by flying through æther. Later Cthulhu Mythos stories typically retcon the Elder Things' space flight as their wings being biological solar sails.




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* Creator/HPLovecraft's ''Literature/AtTheMountainsOfMadness'' and "Literature/TheWhispererInDarkness" feature aliens aliens who could travel between planets by flying through æther. Later Cthulhu Mythos stories by other hands typically retcon the Elder Things' space flight as their wings being biological solar sails.
6th Sep '17 2:53:11 PM Spinosegnosaurus77
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** This problem largely arose with introduction of genetic studies; before that, taxonomy was largely based on morphology. Modern molecular biology has shown that many taxa previously thought to be monophyletic (that is, sharing a common ancestor that's not also the ancestor of anything outside that taxon) are actually just examples of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution convergent evolution]].
** Genetic studies also introduced problems in that not all taxa are equal. Let's take the most well-known example—the different groups of vertebrates (Kingdom Animalia, phylum Chordata), such as Mammalia, Reptilia, Aves (birds), and Amphibia. The problem here is that they didn't diverge at the same time, and so these groups are not a dependable way to distinguish amount of genetic difference, i.e. what ''actually'' differentiates species. The common ancestral species of amphibians diverged from the common mammal-reptile ancestor before mammals and reptiles diverged from each other, and birds are technically a subset of reptiles according to genetics, only considered different due to morphology. Therefore, if the proper way to denote an amphibian is Animalia Chordata Amphibia etc. etc., the proper way to denote a bird while still maintaining accuracy would be Animalia Chordata Reptilia-Mammalia Reptilia Aves. That's a mess, and we're only up to the class! Likewise, within mammals, the common ancestor of monotremes (such as platypi) diverged from the placental-marsupial common ancestor before placentals (e.g. humans, dogs) and marsupials (e.g. kangaroos) diverged from each other, making them not on the same level. For these reasons, classical taxonomy is beginning to be abandoned.

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** This problem largely arose with introduction of genetic studies; before that, taxonomy was largely based on morphology. Modern molecular biology has shown that many taxa previously thought to be monophyletic (that is, sharing a common ancestor that's not also the ancestor of anything outside that taxon) are actually just examples of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution convergent evolution]].
evolution]]. Reevaluations of the old morphological data in light of this will often reveal new characters that support the new topology as well.
** Genetic studies also introduced problems in that not all taxa are equal. Let's take the most well-known example—the different groups classes of vertebrates (Kingdom Animalia, phylum Chordata), such as Mammalia, Reptilia, Aves (birds), and Amphibia. The problem here is that they didn't diverge at the same time, and so these groups are not a dependable way to distinguish amount of genetic difference, i.e. what ''actually'' differentiates species. The common ancestral species of amphibians diverged from the common mammal-reptile ancestor before mammals and reptiles diverged from each other, and birds are technically a subset of reptiles according to genetics, genetics and morphology, only considered different due to morphology.superficial differences. Therefore, if the proper way to denote an amphibian is Animalia Chordata Amphibia etc. etc., the proper way to denote a bird while still maintaining accuracy would be Animalia Chordata Reptilia-Mammalia Reptilia Aves. That's a mess, and we're only up to the class! Likewise, within mammals, the common ancestor of monotremes (such as platypi) diverged from the placental-marsupial common ancestor before placentals (e.g. humans, dogs) and marsupials (e.g. kangaroos) diverged from each other, making them not on the same level. For these reasons, classical taxonomy is beginning to be abandoned.
6th Sep '17 2:46:29 PM Spinosegnosaurus77
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*** Reptilia-Mammalia is commonly known as Amniota. And there's several (about 7-8 at current thinking) levels both between then and Chordata, and them and Aves, a quite complex link in that case, which sees lizards splitting off from bird, turtles and crocodiles, and then turtles splitting off, and finally crocodiles and birds parting ways, with birds continuing down through dinosaurs.

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*** Reptilia-Mammalia is commonly known as Amniota. And there's several (about 7-8 at current thinking) levels both between then and Chordata, and them and Aves, a quite complex link in that case, which sees lizards turtles splitting off from bird, turtles birds, lizards and crocodiles, and then turtles lizards splitting off, and finally crocodiles and birds parting ways, with birds continuing down through dinosaurs.
30th Aug '17 3:35:06 PM HalcyonDayz
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** The third movie had several inaccuracies with the ''Spinosaurus''. First, spinosaurs were primarily fish-eaters rather than apex predators, and would have had relatively weak bites; in the fight with the ''T. rex'', the spinosaur should have been killed instantly when the tyrannosaur's powerful, bone-cracking jaws got a hold on its fragile neck. Second, ''Spinosaurus'' would not have been a particularly fast species, and would have risked severe damage to its relatively fragile skull in the boat attack scene and the scene where it crashes through the heavy fence outside the abandoned InGen lab. Third, recent studies have shown that ''Spinosaurus' would have had considerably shorter legs than it was portrayed as having, and likely would have been almost entirely restricted to aquatic habitats such as proto-mangrove swamps.

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** The third movie had several inaccuracies with the ''Spinosaurus''. First, spinosaurs were primarily fish-eaters rather than apex predators, and would have had relatively weak bites; in the fight with the ''T. rex'', the spinosaur should have been killed instantly when the tyrannosaur's powerful, bone-cracking jaws got a hold on its fragile neck. Second, ''Spinosaurus'' would not have been a particularly fast species, and would have risked severe damage to its relatively fragile skull in the boat attack scene and the scene where it crashes through the heavy fence outside the abandoned InGen [=InGen=] lab. Third, recent studies have shown that ''Spinosaurus' would have had considerably shorter legs than it was portrayed as having, and likely would have been almost entirely restricted to aquatic habitats such as proto-mangrove swamps.



** Eugenics is the concept of trying to encourage breeding to develop desirable traits, the concept of race was never a mandatory on intrensic aspect of eugenics. What was found is that while the *concept* of eugenics is still theoretically possible, in practice it almost always gets tied to race or some other arbitrary concept of what constitutes a 'desirable' trait; and often gets implemented in horrible ways. The science has not undergone any significant changes though. In short this is more of a case of SocietyMarchesOn, specifically society not trusting anyone to define what constitutes a positive trait to strive for, or to implement it in a way that doesn't become a human rights disaster.

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** Eugenics is the concept of trying to encourage breeding to develop desirable traits, the concept of race was never a mandatory on intrensic intrinsic aspect of eugenics. What was found is that while the *concept* of eugenics is still theoretically possible, in practice it almost always gets tied to race or some other arbitrary concept of what constitutes a 'desirable' trait; and often gets implemented in horrible ways. The science has not undergone any significant changes though. In short this is more of a case of SocietyMarchesOn, specifically society not trusting anyone to define what constitutes a positive trait to strive for, or to implement it in a way that doesn't become a human rights disaster.
26th Aug '17 9:16:07 PM ShorinBJ
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* John Varley's novel ''Millenium'' was about time travelers who go back to the past to rescue people who are about to die in accidents. If they have to, they take people off of a vehicle before its destruction but it's much easier to just bring the vehicle itself forward in time if it was historically never found after its destruction. Varley uses the Titanic as an example of a ship that the time travelers were able to bring to the future because it was never found. The novel was published in 1983, just two years before the wreckage of the Titanic was found.

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* John Varley's novel ''Millenium'' ''Millennium'' was about time travelers who go back to the past to rescue people who are about to die in accidents. If they have to, they take people off of a vehicle before its destruction but it's much easier to just bring the vehicle itself forward in time if it was historically never found after its destruction. Varley uses the Titanic as an example of a ship that the time travelers were able to bring to the future because it was never found. The novel was published in 1983, just two years before the wreckage of the Titanic was found.
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