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9th Nov '17 8:38:51 AM Redkun
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** ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia'' features Spyrix machines. These devices such the Mana from the world: which causes Spirits to die. [[spoiler:As it happens, there's an entire ''world'' that uses the Spyrix machines - and it's close to reaching its end because the devices have all but consumed nature entirely.]] By contrast, the Spirit Artes of Rieze Maxia are consistently shown as a good, natural power and [[spoiler:it's only by literally imitating them that the other world manages to restore some amount of balance.]]

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** ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia'' features Spyrix machines. These devices such the "Natural" magic works by feeding Mana from the world: which causes to Spirits to die. [[spoiler:As it happens, there's an entire ''world'' that uses the and being granted their magic in exchange. Spyrix machines - and it's close ''burn'' Mana as fuel to reaching its end because create magical effects, thus starving Spirits of their food source. [[spoiler:Spyrix were initially created to level the devices have all but consumed nature entirely.]] By contrast, the playing field between those who could use Spirit Artes of Rieze Maxia are consistently shown as a good, natural power Magic and [[spoiler:it's only by literally imitating those who were biologically incapable of it. This offended the Lord of Spirits enough that he rounded up everything magical in the world and sealed them away in a separate world, forcing the survivors to rely even more on Spyrix to fill the massive magic-shaped gap in their civilisation. It tips the balance so badly that the other Spyrix world manages is practically a wasteland by the time the protagonists visit it]]. Fortunately, the final act of the game has the protagonists use their scientific knowledge to restore some amount of balance.]]research and develop a new technology that addresses everyone's concerns: [[spoiler:Spyrite technology]].
9th Nov '17 5:03:42 AM Redkun
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** Subverted in ''Videogame/FinalFantasyX''. The characters (and the population of Spira in general) spend most of the game thinking that the BigBad was created as punishment for bad science, only to find out that [[spoiler:it's actually magic gone wrong. They eventually defeat him with machines believed to be evil, instead of the religious ritual they were meant to use.]] By ''X-2'', both of the major factions (the Youth League and New Yevon) agree science is okay; their major disagreement is how fast it should be implemented (New Yevon being the more conservative faction).

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** Subverted in ''Videogame/FinalFantasyX''. The characters (and the population of Spira in general) spend most of the game thinking that the BigBad was created as punishment for bad science, only to find out that [[spoiler:it's actually magic gone wrong. They eventually defeat him with machines believed to be evil, instead of the religious ritual they were meant to use.]] By ''X-2'', both of the major factions (the Youth League and New Yevon) agree science is okay; their major disagreement is how fast it quickly all of the previously-suppressed technology should be distributed and implemented into society (New Yevon being the more conservative faction).
11th Oct '17 7:40:23 PM DustSnitch
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-->'''Gandalf''': He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.

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-->'''Gandalf''': --->'''Gandalf''': He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.
23rd Jul '17 11:38:30 AM Kooshmeister
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** In fairness, one critic of what they did ''does'' admit there was no other way, and that their actions in combating the disease saved his grandchildren from a grisly death.
15th Jul '17 10:24:20 AM nombretomado
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* ''Ape and Essence'' has a sequence symbolically representing UsefulNotes/WorldWarIII, in which three Albert Einsteins are enslaved by [[ManiacMonkeys baboons]] for the patriotic purpose of developing and unleashing {{Synthetic Plague}}s that kill everyone, including the Einsteins, whose dying protests are that they "never did any harm to anybody" and "lived only for Truth." Thus is enacted "the death, by suicide, of twentieth-century science."

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* ''Ape and Essence'' has a sequence symbolically representing UsefulNotes/WorldWarIII, WorldWarIII, in which three Albert Einsteins are enslaved by [[ManiacMonkeys baboons]] for the patriotic purpose of developing and unleashing {{Synthetic Plague}}s that kill everyone, including the Einsteins, whose dying protests are that they "never did any harm to anybody" and "lived only for Truth." Thus is enacted "the death, by suicide, of twentieth-century science."



* An inversion in an episode of ''Series/{{Sliders}}'' the gang ends up sliding to a world where all new technology was banned after the end of WorldWarII. This world's version of Quinn was killed by polio, and they convince Quinn's dad that technology is not bad and would have saved his son. He helps them to repair their timer with his dead son's illegal technology. The local Evil Corporation decides to steal the timer as they have been creating technology in secret so they can corner the market once the ban is lifted.

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* An inversion in an episode of ''Series/{{Sliders}}'' the gang ends up sliding to a world where all new technology was banned after the end of WorldWarII.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. This world's version of Quinn was killed by polio, and they convince Quinn's dad that technology is not bad and would have saved his son. He helps them to repair their timer with his dead son's illegal technology. The local Evil Corporation decides to steal the timer as they have been creating technology in secret so they can corner the market once the ban is lifted.
15th Jul '17 10:22:48 AM nombretomado
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* ''Ape and Essence'' has a sequence symbolically representing WorldWarIII, in which three Albert Einsteins are enslaved by [[ManiacMonkeys baboons]] for the patriotic purpose of developing and unleashing {{Synthetic Plague}}s that kill everyone, including the Einsteins, whose dying protests are that they "never did any harm to anybody" and "lived only for Truth." Thus is enacted "the death, by suicide, of twentieth-century science."

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* ''Ape and Essence'' has a sequence symbolically representing WorldWarIII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarIII, in which three Albert Einsteins are enslaved by [[ManiacMonkeys baboons]] for the patriotic purpose of developing and unleashing {{Synthetic Plague}}s that kill everyone, including the Einsteins, whose dying protests are that they "never did any harm to anybody" and "lived only for Truth." Thus is enacted "the death, by suicide, of twentieth-century science."
12th Jul '17 6:46:02 AM Franco-America2018
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Compare and contrast CyberPunk, where the rebel hero goes up against TheMan who maintains control through technology; BioPunk is mostly same but instead using [[OrganicTechnology Biotechnology]] to retaining control of all species and used horrific ways to modify them; PostCyberPunk tends to embrace [[NewTechnologyIsEvil new technology]] less [[CrapsaccharineWorld critically]]. Typically, you will find there is NoTranshumanismAllowed. See also HarsherInHindsight and SeinfeldIsUnfunny for when a world meant to be portrayed as a {{Dystopia}} TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture bears a curious resemblance to [[LifeImitatesArt present day]] technological advancements that are [[LostAesop taken for granted]] by the audience.

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Compare and contrast CyberPunk, where the rebel hero goes up against TheMan who maintains control through technology; BioPunk is mostly same as previous but instead using [[OrganicTechnology Biotechnology]] to retaining control of all species and used horrific ways to modify them; PostCyberPunk tends to embrace [[NewTechnologyIsEvil new technology]] less [[CrapsaccharineWorld critically]]. Typically, you will find there is NoTranshumanismAllowed. See also HarsherInHindsight and SeinfeldIsUnfunny for when a world meant to be portrayed as a {{Dystopia}} TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture bears a curious resemblance to [[LifeImitatesArt present day]] technological advancements that are [[LostAesop taken for granted]] by the audience.
12th Jul '17 5:37:47 AM Franco-America2018
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Compare and contrast CyberPunk, where the rebel hero goes up against TheMan who maintains control through technology; PostCyberPunk tends to embrace [[NewTechnologyIsEvil new technology]] less critically. Typically, you will find there is NoTranshumanismAllowed. See also HarsherInHindsight and SeinfeldIsUnfunny for when a world meant to be portrayed as a {{Dystopia}} TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture bears a curious resemblance to [[LifeImitatesArt present day]] technological advancements that are [[LostAesop taken for granted]] by the audience.

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Compare and contrast CyberPunk, where the rebel hero goes up against TheMan who maintains control through technology; BioPunk is mostly same but instead using [[OrganicTechnology Biotechnology]] to retaining control of all species and used horrific ways to modify them; PostCyberPunk tends to embrace [[NewTechnologyIsEvil new technology]] less critically.[[CrapsaccharineWorld critically]]. Typically, you will find there is NoTranshumanismAllowed. See also HarsherInHindsight and SeinfeldIsUnfunny for when a world meant to be portrayed as a {{Dystopia}} TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture bears a curious resemblance to [[LifeImitatesArt present day]] technological advancements that are [[LostAesop taken for granted]] by the audience.
18th Jun '17 5:56:09 AM LordOfTheSword
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** And then there is Aulë, Vala for all makers, craftsmen and scientists (Sauron and Saruman were both Maiar under him).

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** And then there is Aulë, Vala for (i.e. "archangel" of sorts) of all makers, craftsmen craftsmen, and scientists (Sauron and Saruman were both Maiar under him).
3rd Jun '17 11:16:43 AM nombretomado
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* WhiteWolf's ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse'' and ''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension''.

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* WhiteWolf's Creator/WhiteWolf's ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse'' and ''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension''.
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