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28th Sep '16 2:39:08 PM Luc
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** There's a long story behind this, but the short version is that (1) film buffs enjoy good genre films, because they're usually the best looking movies of any given era, (2) the Auteur theory latched on to a "genre" director (Alfred Hitchcock) as a shining example of an Auteur, which had (and still has) a "halo" effect on other genre films as being artistically worthy projects (for a director, at least), (3) genre films are usually remembered much longer, and (4) they're commercially viable, and Criterion is a business.
24th Sep '16 4:49:30 PM nombretomado
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* It can be said that the best-known author of that kind of "ghetto literature" gave their work a bent that set it apart from others of the same category, often combining it with another, usually entirely different genre. Creator/JRRTolkien's body of work had actually more in common with ancient and medieval mythology (which scholars usually don't dismiss outright as frivolous or unworthy of attention) than modern fantasy, though he pretty much gave birth to that genre. Creator/HPLovecraft gave his horror stories a strong scientific-fictional bent, often writing them in the form of letters, diaries or reports. Creator/JKRowling wrote a story that at that times reads more as a boarding school/coming of age/mystery novel, where the fantasy only offers the framework. CSLewis wrote children novels that also qualified as allegories. Creator/FrankHerbert's ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' is set so far in the future that it might as well take place in an entirely different universe, and has strong fantasy elements in it. Creator/RobertAHeinlein included social criticism in his work. Creator/GeorgeOrwell's ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and Aldous Huxley's ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' are more comments on politics and ideology which might have been set in entirely different genres without altering the stories that much (in fact, Orwell pulled that off when writing Literature/AnimalFarm which has a lot in common with 1984, despite being the one in a sci-fi-setting and the other a fable).

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* It can be said that the best-known author of that kind of "ghetto literature" gave their work a bent that set it apart from others of the same category, often combining it with another, usually entirely different genre. Creator/JRRTolkien's body of work had actually more in common with ancient and medieval mythology (which scholars usually don't dismiss outright as frivolous or unworthy of attention) than modern fantasy, though he pretty much gave birth to that genre. Creator/HPLovecraft gave his horror stories a strong scientific-fictional bent, often writing them in the form of letters, diaries or reports. Creator/JKRowling wrote a story that at that times reads more as a boarding school/coming of age/mystery novel, where the fantasy only offers the framework. CSLewis Creator/CSLewis wrote children novels that also qualified as allegories. Creator/FrankHerbert's ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' is set so far in the future that it might as well take place in an entirely different universe, and has strong fantasy elements in it. Creator/RobertAHeinlein included social criticism in his work. Creator/GeorgeOrwell's ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and Aldous Huxley's ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' are more comments on politics and ideology which might have been set in entirely different genres without altering the stories that much (in fact, Orwell pulled that off when writing Literature/AnimalFarm which has a lot in common with 1984, despite being the one in a sci-fi-setting and the other a fable).
21st Sep '16 7:03:38 PM haloinsider
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* ''Series/OrphanBlack'' got hit hard with this. The show received stellar reviews (with much of the praise going to the acting) during its first season, but is consistently ignored by the major television award shows such as the {{Emmy}}s.

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* ''Series/OrphanBlack'' got hit hard with this. this initially. The show received stellar reviews (with much of the praise going to the acting) during its first season, but is consistently was ignored by the {{Emmy}}s for major television award shows such as consideration. It finally managed to escape this somewhat with a nomination for Tatiana Maslany in its third season, and more officially escaped it when Maslany won an Emmy for the {{Emmy}}s.fourth season.
10th Sep '16 9:25:58 AM erforce
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* Also averted with ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' film trilogy. Not only is the third film the only SpeculativeFiction film to ever win an UsefulNotes/AcademyAward for Best Picture and Director, it is also tied with ''Film/BenHur'' and ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'' for [[OscarBait the most Academy Awards won by a single film]].

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* Also averted with ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' film trilogy. Not only is the third film the only SpeculativeFiction film to ever win an UsefulNotes/AcademyAward for Best Picture and Director, it is also tied with ''Film/BenHur'' ''Film/BenHur1959'' and ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'' for [[OscarBait the most Academy Awards won by a single film]].
4th Sep '16 10:34:55 AM Temmere
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* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' gets this particularly bad, with its reputation for RubberForeheadAliens and the loneliest of geek fans. Creator/PatrickStewart, for instance, one of the best actors working, has gotten several Emmy and Golden Globe nominations for his TV work... but only for "respectable" fare like ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' and ''Film/MobyDick'', never for his seven years on ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration The Next Generation]]''. Stewart himself defies the ghetto, stating that his years of [[ClassicallyTrainedExtra classical training]] were "practice" for the role of Captain Picard.

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* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' gets this particularly bad, with its reputation for RubberForeheadAliens and the loneliest most obsessive of geek fans. Creator/PatrickStewart, for instance, one of the best actors working, has gotten several Emmy and Golden Globe nominations for his TV work... but only for "respectable" fare like ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' and ''Film/MobyDick'', never for his seven years on ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration The Next Generation]]''. Stewart himself defies the ghetto, stating that his years of [[ClassicallyTrainedExtra classical training]] were "practice" for the role of Captain Picard.
20th Aug '16 9:47:23 AM Tre
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*** In a business decision that can only be regarded as insane, SyFy gave up the first run rights on ''Doctor Who'' to BBC America. BBC America, who unlike SyFy seem to [[AdoredByTheNetwork genuinely love the show]], have promoted it to death and the 2008-2010 specials (which SyFy refused to air) and the first Eleventh Doctor season gave BBC America its best ratings ''ever''. Even though it's easily among the highest rated non-American shows on American television, it still isn't as ingrained in mainstream pop culture in the US as it is in Britain. The fact that it's not only British, but a science fiction show, probably has something to do with it.

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*** In a business decision that can only be regarded as insane, SyFy Creator/{{Syfy}} gave up the first run rights on ''Doctor Who'' to BBC America. BBC America, who unlike SyFy Syfy seem to [[AdoredByTheNetwork genuinely love the show]], have promoted it to death and the 2008-2010 specials (which SyFy Syfy refused to air) and the first Eleventh Doctor season gave BBC America its best ratings ''ever''. Even though it's easily among the highest rated non-American shows on American television, it still isn't as ingrained in mainstream pop culture in the US as it is in Britain. The fact that it's not only British, but a science fiction show, probably has something to do with it.
18th Aug '16 2:55:56 PM Tre
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** In the US, ''Series/DoctorWho'' is still in the SciFiGhetto due to its checkered broadcast history. During the show's original run, Creator/{{PBS}} was its US distributor, which immediately meant that it was never going to attain a wide audience like shows on the [[Creator/{{CBS}} Big]] [[Creator/{{NBC}} Three]] [[Creator/{{ABC}} networks]]. Worse, PBS stations generally aired it only at OtakuOClock. Getting ScrewedByTheNetwork had nothing to do with the show's content, and everything to do with the fact that it was a ''British'' show; on most PBS stations it was shown in blocks with things like ''Series/MontyPythonsFlyingCircus'' and ''Series/AreYouBeingServed'', which always had comparatively smaller audiences in the States. The 2005 revival was even worse off in this regard, because until SciFiChannel actually decided to run the show they had the US rights to, it was only broadcast in repeats on [[Creator/TheBBC BBC America]], a network that, until quite recently, huge chunks of the country didn't even get unless they had digital cable or satellite.

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** In the US, ''Series/DoctorWho'' is still in the SciFiGhetto due to its checkered broadcast history. During the show's original run, Creator/{{PBS}} was its US distributor, which immediately meant that it was never going to attain a wide audience like shows on the [[Creator/{{CBS}} Big]] [[Creator/{{NBC}} Three]] [[Creator/{{ABC}} networks]]. Worse, PBS stations generally aired it only at OtakuOClock. Getting ScrewedByTheNetwork had nothing to do with the show's content, and everything to do with the fact that it was a ''British'' show; on most PBS stations it was shown in blocks with things like ''Series/MontyPythonsFlyingCircus'' and ''Series/AreYouBeingServed'', which always had comparatively smaller audiences in the States. The 2005 revival was even worse off in this regard, because until SciFiChannel [[Creator/{{Syfy}} Sci Fi Channel]] actually decided to run the show they had the US rights to, it was only broadcast in repeats on [[Creator/TheBBC BBC America]], a network that, until quite recently, huge chunks of the country didn't even get unless they had digital cable or satellite.



* This was why the American Creator/SciFiChannel changed its name to [[http://www.syfy.com/press.html "SyFy"]], because [=SyFy=] as a name "more clearly captures the mainstream appeal of the world's biggest entertainment category, and reflects the network's ongoing strategy to create programming that's more accessible and relatable to new audiences." The importance of the female viewer demographic is usually noted due to the popularized notion of their low regard towards science fiction. The name [=SyFy=] can also be trademarked, in contrast to "Sci-Fi," which is a generic, pre-existing term. Many critics accused the channel of trying to distance themselves from negative stereotypes of science fiction.

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* This was why the American Creator/SciFiChannel Sci Fi Channel changed its name to [[http://www.syfy.com/press.html "SyFy"]], Creator/{{Syfy}}, because [=SyFy=] Syfy as a name "more clearly captures the mainstream appeal of the world's biggest entertainment category, and reflects the network's ongoing strategy to create programming that's more accessible and relatable to new audiences." The importance of the female viewer demographic is usually noted due to the popularized notion of their low regard towards science fiction. The name [=SyFy=] Syfy can also be trademarked, in contrast to "Sci-Fi," which is a generic, pre-existing term. Many critics accused the channel of trying to distance themselves from negative stereotypes of science fiction.
15th Aug '16 4:21:22 PM ElectricBoogaloo
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* A variant of this happened with ''Videogame/{{Titanfall}}'', a Mech Ghetto if you will. [[http://www.mechadamashii.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/titanfail.jpg In a magazine interview]], the staff [[InternetBackdraft infamously]] renounced the "mech" label for their Titans, insisting they were more like nimble mechanical soldiers and an extension of the pilot rather than clunky and slow machines, [[RealRobotGenre apparently unaware that there exists an entire genre with this sort of thing]], not just ''TabletopGame/{{Battletech}}''.
24th Jul '16 6:19:19 PM nombretomado
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* ''TheCuriousCaseOfBenjaminButton'' was nominated for several Academy Awards and Golden Globes, including Best Drama and Best Actor. It's about a man who is born old and ages in reverse. That sound like MagicRealism to you?[[note]]But Magical Realism isn't fantasy. Cough cough, ahem. Sorry, I had something in my throat. (Sarcasm)[[/note]]

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* ''TheCuriousCaseOfBenjaminButton'' ''Film/TheCuriousCaseOfBenjaminButton'' was nominated for several Academy Awards and Golden Globes, including Best Drama and Best Actor. It's about a man who is born old and ages in reverse. That sound like MagicRealism to you?[[note]]But Magical Realism isn't fantasy. Cough cough, ahem. Sorry, I had something in my throat. (Sarcasm)[[/note]]
1st Jul '16 7:52:35 PM nombretomado
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** Likewise, AndreNorton has written historical novels, spy stories, and Gothic romances. Guess where you'll find them ('''if''' you find them) in a bookstore or library (granted, at least two of the romances have fantasy elements).

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** Likewise, AndreNorton Creator/AndreNorton has written historical novels, spy stories, and Gothic romances. Guess where you'll find them ('''if''' you find them) in a bookstore or library (granted, at least two of the romances have fantasy elements).
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