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24th Jul '16 6:19:19 PM nombretomado
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* ''TheCuriousCaseOfBenjaminButton'' was nominated for several Academy Awards and Golden Globes, including Best Drama and Best Actor. It's about a man who is born old and ages in reverse. That sound like MagicRealism to you?[[note]]But Magical Realism isn't fantasy. Cough cough, ahem. Sorry, I had something in my throat. (Sarcasm)[[/note]]

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* ''TheCuriousCaseOfBenjaminButton'' ''Film/TheCuriousCaseOfBenjaminButton'' was nominated for several Academy Awards and Golden Globes, including Best Drama and Best Actor. It's about a man who is born old and ages in reverse. That sound like MagicRealism to you?[[note]]But Magical Realism isn't fantasy. Cough cough, ahem. Sorry, I had something in my throat. (Sarcasm)[[/note]]
1st Jul '16 7:52:35 PM nombretomado
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** Likewise, AndreNorton has written historical novels, spy stories, and Gothic romances. Guess where you'll find them ('''if''' you find them) in a bookstore or library (granted, at least two of the romances have fantasy elements).

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** Likewise, AndreNorton Creator/AndreNorton has written historical novels, spy stories, and Gothic romances. Guess where you'll find them ('''if''' you find them) in a bookstore or library (granted, at least two of the romances have fantasy elements).
28th Jun '16 6:58:17 AM Morgenthaler
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* It can be said that the best-known author of that kind of "ghetto literature" gave their work a bent that set it apart from others of the same category, often combining it with another, usually entirely different genre. Creator/JRRTolkien's body of work had actually more in common with ancient and medieval mythology (which scholars usually don't dismiss outright as frivolous or unworthy of attention) than modern fantasy, though he pretty much gave birth to that genre. Creator/HPLovecraft gave his horror stories a strong scientific-fictional bent, often writing them in the form of letters, diaries or reports. Creator/JKRowling wrote a story that at that times reads more as a boarding school/coming of age/mystery novel, where the fantasy only offers the framework. CSLewis wrote children novels that also qualified as allegories. Creator/FrankHerbert's ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' is set so far in the future that it might as well take place in an entirely different universe, and has strong fantasy elements in it. Creator/RobertAHeinlein included social criticism in his work. GeorgeOrwell's 1984 and Aldous Huxley's ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' are more comments on politics and ideology which might have been set in entirely different genres without altering the stories that much (in fact, Orwell pulled that off when writing Literature/AnimalFarm which has a lot in common with 1984, despite being the one in a sci-fi-setting and the other a fable).

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* It can be said that the best-known author of that kind of "ghetto literature" gave their work a bent that set it apart from others of the same category, often combining it with another, usually entirely different genre. Creator/JRRTolkien's body of work had actually more in common with ancient and medieval mythology (which scholars usually don't dismiss outright as frivolous or unworthy of attention) than modern fantasy, though he pretty much gave birth to that genre. Creator/HPLovecraft gave his horror stories a strong scientific-fictional bent, often writing them in the form of letters, diaries or reports. Creator/JKRowling wrote a story that at that times reads more as a boarding school/coming of age/mystery novel, where the fantasy only offers the framework. CSLewis wrote children novels that also qualified as allegories. Creator/FrankHerbert's ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' is set so far in the future that it might as well take place in an entirely different universe, and has strong fantasy elements in it. Creator/RobertAHeinlein included social criticism in his work. GeorgeOrwell's 1984 Creator/GeorgeOrwell's ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and Aldous Huxley's ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' are more comments on politics and ideology which might have been set in entirely different genres without altering the stories that much (in fact, Orwell pulled that off when writing Literature/AnimalFarm which has a lot in common with 1984, despite being the one in a sci-fi-setting and the other a fable).
27th Jun '16 2:55:42 PM Morgenthaler
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* It can be said that the best-known author of that kind of "ghetto literature" gave their work a bent that set it apart from others of the same category, often combining it with another, usually entirely different genre. Creator/JRRTolkien's body of work had actually more in common with ancient and medieval mythology (which scholars usually don't dismiss outright as frivolous or unworthy of attention) than modern fantasy, though he pretty much gave birth to that genre. Creator/HPLovecraft gave his horror stories a strong scientific-fictional bent, often writing them in the form of letters, diaries or reports. Creator/JKRowling wrote a story that at that times reads more as a boarding school/coming of age/mystery novel, where the fantasy only offers the framework. CSLewis wrote children novels that also qualified as allegories. Creator/FrankHerbert's ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' is set so far in the future that it might as well take place in an entirely different universe, and has strong fantasy elements in it. Creator/RobertAHeinlein included social criticism in his work. GeorgeOrwell's 1984 and Aldous Huxley's ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' are more comments on politics and ideology which might have been set in entirely different genres without altering the stories that much (in fact, Orwell pulled that off when writing AnimalFarm which has a lot in common with 1984, despite being the one in a sci-fi-setting and the other a fable).

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* It can be said that the best-known author of that kind of "ghetto literature" gave their work a bent that set it apart from others of the same category, often combining it with another, usually entirely different genre. Creator/JRRTolkien's body of work had actually more in common with ancient and medieval mythology (which scholars usually don't dismiss outright as frivolous or unworthy of attention) than modern fantasy, though he pretty much gave birth to that genre. Creator/HPLovecraft gave his horror stories a strong scientific-fictional bent, often writing them in the form of letters, diaries or reports. Creator/JKRowling wrote a story that at that times reads more as a boarding school/coming of age/mystery novel, where the fantasy only offers the framework. CSLewis wrote children novels that also qualified as allegories. Creator/FrankHerbert's ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' is set so far in the future that it might as well take place in an entirely different universe, and has strong fantasy elements in it. Creator/RobertAHeinlein included social criticism in his work. GeorgeOrwell's 1984 and Aldous Huxley's ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' are more comments on politics and ideology which might have been set in entirely different genres without altering the stories that much (in fact, Orwell pulled that off when writing AnimalFarm Literature/AnimalFarm which has a lot in common with 1984, despite being the one in a sci-fi-setting and the other a fable).
13th Jun '16 9:16:47 PM Lizardon
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* Averted with ''Series/TheTwilightZone'' series, which still continues to be one of the most beloved television shows ever made.
10th Jun '16 1:57:59 AM Morgenthaler
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* OrsonScottCard wrote a foreword to ''EndersGame'', railing against the SciFiGhetto. Well, that and the fact he was accused of [[HollywoodPsych failing psychology forever]] by people working with talented kids and less so by actual talented kids.

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* OrsonScottCard Creator/OrsonScottCard wrote a foreword to ''EndersGame'', ''Literature/EndersGame'', railing against the SciFiGhetto. Well, that and the fact he was accused of [[HollywoodPsych failing psychology forever]] by people working with talented kids and less so by actual talented kids.



* Margaret Atwood's near-future (at the time of writing) ''TheHandmaidsTale'' was obviously social/cultural science-fiction [[note]]It takes place in a BadFuture where high levels of radiation and strains of HIV and syphilis caused wide-spread sterility, and when an extremist StayInTheKitchen Christian group took over the US, the entirely digital currency made it easy to deprive women of economic power.[[/note]] (and even won a prestigious scifi award), but she refused to admit that. Another Atwood novel, ''Literature/OryxAndCrake'', is even more blatantly science fiction: [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke genetic engineering]] has run amok and [[DepopulationBomb destroyed everybody except the protagonist]].

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* Margaret Atwood's near-future (at the time of writing) ''TheHandmaidsTale'' ''Literature/TheHandmaidsTale'' was obviously social/cultural science-fiction [[note]]It takes place in a BadFuture where high levels of radiation and strains of HIV and syphilis caused wide-spread sterility, and when an extremist StayInTheKitchen Christian group took over the US, the entirely digital currency made it easy to deprive women of economic power.[[/note]] (and even won a prestigious scifi award), but she refused to admit that. Another Atwood novel, ''Literature/OryxAndCrake'', is even more blatantly science fiction: [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke genetic engineering]] has run amok and [[DepopulationBomb destroyed everybody except the protagonist]].



* An early Soviet edition of the ''LordOfTheRings'' which was heavily revamped to look like SciFi (obvious cause: publication of some "suspicious" "fantasy" was unthinkable, whereas SciFi had some respect). Just one quote: "[[ClarkesThirdLaw It's not a Ring, it's some kind of gadget]]".

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* An early Soviet edition of the ''LordOfTheRings'' ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' which was heavily revamped to look like SciFi (obvious cause: publication of some "suspicious" "fantasy" was unthinkable, whereas SciFi had some respect). Just one quote: "[[ClarkesThirdLaw It's not a Ring, it's some kind of gadget]]".
22nd May '16 6:10:45 PM MadCat221
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* A number of sci-fi and fantasy authors banded together to blow the lid on [=PublishAmerica=], a publisher that denied it was a [[VanityPublishing vanity press]], and responded derogatorily to sci-fi and fantasy authors about their purview when the authors asserted that [=PublishAmerica=] was indeed a vanity press. How did they do so? They banded together to create ''Literature/AtlantaNights'' a novel [[StylisticSuck so awful that the authors considered it unpublishable]]. [=PublishAmerica=] still offered to publish, until the hoax was revealed.

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* A number of sci-fi and fantasy authors banded together to blow the lid on [=PublishAmerica=], a publisher that denied it was a [[VanityPublishing vanity press]], and responded derogatorily to sci-fi and fantasy authors about their purview when the authors asserted that [=PublishAmerica=] was indeed a vanity press. How did they do so? They banded together to create ''Literature/AtlantaNights'' a novel [[StylisticSuck so awful that the authors considered it unpublishable]]. [=PublishAmerica=] still offered to publish, until the hoax was revealed.
22nd May '16 6:10:09 PM MadCat221
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* A number of sci-fi and fantasy authors banded together to blow the lid on [=PublishAmerica=], a publisher that denied it was a [[VanityPublishing vanity press]], and responded derogatorily to sci-fi and fantasy authors about their purview when the authors asserted that [=PublishAmerica=] was indeed a vanity press. How did they do so? They banded together to create ''Literature/AtlantaNights'' a novel [[StylisticSuck so awful that the authors considered it unpublishable]]. [=PublishAmerica=] still offered to publish, until the hoax was revealed.
9th May '16 8:28:37 AM Morgenthaler
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** This is before we get into ''Timequake'', which admits freely in the prologue and throughout the text that it's the remains of a novel ("Timequake One") he couldn't make work mixed in with his thoughts, experiences and recollections of the previous months, and a large dose of metafiction. "Timequake One" is as SF, or slightly less, than ''EternalSunshineOfTheSpotlessMind''. His genre situation is possibly best summed up by the fact that in Foyle's, the famous bookshop in London, about half of his books are filed under Science Fiction and half under Fiction.

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** This is before we get into ''Timequake'', which admits freely in the prologue and throughout the text that it's the remains of a novel ("Timequake One") he couldn't make work mixed in with his thoughts, experiences and recollections of the previous months, and a large dose of metafiction. "Timequake One" is as SF, or slightly less, than ''EternalSunshineOfTheSpotlessMind''.''Film/EternalSunshineOfTheSpotlessMind''. His genre situation is possibly best summed up by the fact that in Foyle's, the famous bookshop in London, about half of his books are filed under Science Fiction and half under Fiction.
1st May '16 5:22:45 AM erforce
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*** A term NewerThanTheyThink: Bruce Bethke coined the name in a short story from 1980, but it wouldn't be published in 1983 and not receive widespread use until the release of ''Literature/{{Neuromancer}}'' that came out in the same year as TheTerminator.

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*** A term NewerThanTheyThink: Bruce Bethke coined the name in a short story from 1980, but it wouldn't be published in 1983 and not receive widespread use until the release of ''Literature/{{Neuromancer}}'' that came out in the same year as TheTerminator.''Film/TheTerminator''.
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