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16th Apr '17 8:33:58 AM ABiPolarGuy
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* Some fans of ''Film/TheMatrix'' refused to call it sci-fi, as apparently "It's not sci-fi unless it's in space/the future".[[note]]Not only is this not generally held among SF fans, but alternate history is considered a sub genre of SF. Those stores don't really correspond to our time stream at all but are often roughly in our past. Also time travel stories are frequently set in the past and may begin in the present day.[[/note]] Even though it was explicitly set ''in the aftermath of a RobotWar''. Not to mention that it ''was'' set in the future; the sequences apparently taking place in ThePresentDay are illusionary, a virtual reality transmitted directly to the brains of artificially-grown humans.

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* Some fans of ''Film/TheMatrix'' refused to call it sci-fi, as apparently "It's not sci-fi unless it's in space/the future".[[note]]Not only is this not generally held among SF fans, but alternate history is considered a sub genre of SF. Those stores stories don't really correspond to our time stream at all but are often roughly in our past. Also time travel stories are frequently set in the past and may begin in the present day.[[/note]] Even though it was explicitly set ''in the aftermath of a RobotWar''. Not to mention that it ''was'' set in the future; the sequences apparently taking place in ThePresentDay are illusionary, a virtual reality transmitted directly to the brains of artificially-grown humans.
16th Apr '17 8:33:04 AM ABiPolarGuy
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* Some fans of ''Film/TheMatrix'' refused to call it sci-fi, as apparently "It's not sci-fi unless it's in space/the future". Even though it was explicitly set ''in the aftermath of a RobotWar''. Not to mention that it ''was'' set in the future; the sequences apparently taking place in ThePresentDay are illusionary, a virtual reality transmitted directly to the brains of artificially-grown humans.

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* Some fans of ''Film/TheMatrix'' refused to call it sci-fi, as apparently "It's not sci-fi unless it's in space/the future". [[note]]Not only is this not generally held among SF fans, but alternate history is considered a sub genre of SF. Those stores don't really correspond to our time stream at all but are often roughly in our past. Also time travel stories are frequently set in the past and may begin in the present day.[[/note]] Even though it was explicitly set ''in the aftermath of a RobotWar''. Not to mention that it ''was'' set in the future; the sequences apparently taking place in ThePresentDay are illusionary, a virtual reality transmitted directly to the brains of artificially-grown humans.
4th Apr '17 9:54:02 AM BabyM
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* ''Series/PersonOfInterest'' has been described (even by its [[{{Showrunner}} showrunners]]) as hard science fiction disguised as a PoliceProcedural.
19th Mar '17 11:44:21 AM nombretomado
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** It has been claimed that the reason [[ANewHope the first Star Wars movie]] didn't win the Oscar for Best Picture is that the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences are a bunch of artsy snobs who would ''never'' give such a high award to a [turns up nose haughtily] science fiction film. The fact that ''Star Wars'' lost out to ''AnnieHall'' may be evidence of that. (Or it may be evidence that the Academy is absolutely in love with Creator/WoodyAllen and gave the award to ''Annie Hall'' because they wanted Creator/WoodyAllen to win Best Picture for ''something''.)

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** It has been claimed that the reason [[ANewHope [[Film/ANewHope the first Star Wars movie]] didn't win the Oscar for Best Picture is that the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences are a bunch of artsy snobs who would ''never'' give such a high award to a [turns up nose haughtily] science fiction film. The fact that ''Star Wars'' lost out to ''AnnieHall'' ''Film/AnnieHall'' may be evidence of that. (Or it may be evidence that the Academy is absolutely in love with Creator/WoodyAllen and gave the award to ''Annie Hall'' because they wanted Creator/WoodyAllen to win Best Picture for ''something''.)
12th Mar '17 12:59:17 AM Morgenthaler
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** Inverted by a local public library, which had {{Harry Turtledove}}'s ''Guns of the South'' (a novel about time travellers changing the outcome of the US Civil War) classed as "Historical Fiction". The cover shows Robert E. Lee holding an AK-47.

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** Inverted by a local public library, which had {{Harry Creator/{{Harry Turtledove}}'s ''Guns of the South'' (a novel about time travellers changing the outcome of the US Civil War) classed as "Historical Fiction". The cover shows Robert E. Lee holding an AK-47.
11th Mar '17 4:02:01 PM nombretomado
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* If you would like to see desperate literary snobbery coupled with hilarious pretentiousness, why not ask a professor of Shakespeare why the ghosts and witches in ''Theatre/MacBeth'', or the fairies and angels in ''AMidsummerNightsDream'' don't qualify the plays as fantasy?
** Your results may vary - there are some professors who ''do'' believe that ''Theatre/MacBeth'' and ''AMidsummerNightsDream'' are in fact fantasy and do hold them up as an example as to how fantasy ''can'' be literature as well.

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* If you would like to see desperate literary snobbery coupled with hilarious pretentiousness, why not ask a professor of Shakespeare why the ghosts and witches in ''Theatre/MacBeth'', or the fairies and angels in ''AMidsummerNightsDream'' ''Theatre/AMidsummerNightsDream'' don't qualify the plays as fantasy?
** Your results may vary - there are some professors who ''do'' believe that ''Theatre/MacBeth'' and ''AMidsummerNightsDream'' ''Theatre/AMidsummerNightsDream'' are in fact fantasy and do hold them up as an example as to how fantasy ''can'' be literature as well.
6th Mar '17 10:20:25 AM PeppermintTwist
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* Helene Wecker admits that she fell into this trope herself before eventually defying it with her historical fantasy ''Literature/TheGolemAndTheJinni''. She originally started off writing a straightforward story of immigrants in early 20th century that was pretty bad. She had no idea what was wrong until a friend asked her why she was writing ''that'' way when she was a [[OneOfUs dyed-in-the-wool nerd who cut her teeth writing Doctor Who fanfiction]]. Wecker agreed and changed the story to be a fantasy about supernatural beings, and the book was much better for it.
4th Mar '17 10:58:14 AM nombretomado
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** He's also said that people from his publishers have told him that they've gone into bookshops and asked why his hugely successful books aren't being displayed in more prominent places. The answers amounted to "We don't like the fantasy to get out." [[note]]This is an author who has been compared to Creator/GeoffreyChaucer, Creator/CharlesDickens and MarkTwain by serious critics.[[/note]]

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** He's also said that people from his publishers have told him that they've gone into bookshops and asked why his hugely successful books aren't being displayed in more prominent places. The answers amounted to "We don't like the fantasy to get out." [[note]]This is an author who has been compared to Creator/GeoffreyChaucer, Creator/CharlesDickens and MarkTwain Creator/MarkTwain by serious critics.[[/note]]
2nd Feb '17 2:42:19 PM CheeseDogX
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** Inverted by a local public library, which had Harry Turtledove's ''Guns of the South'' (a novel about time travellers changing the outcome of the US Civil War) classed as "Historical Fiction". The cover shows Robert E. Lee holding an AK-47.

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** Inverted by a local public library, which had Harry Turtledove's {{Harry Turtledove}}'s ''Guns of the South'' (a novel about time travellers changing the outcome of the US Civil War) classed as "Historical Fiction". The cover shows Robert E. Lee holding an AK-47.
2nd Feb '17 2:16:06 PM CheeseDogX
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* Creator/HarlanEllison is willing to admit that he writes speculative fiction, but ''hates'' the term "sci-fi" to the point that he's walked out of interviews on live TV. In Ellison's defense, he has no problem with the phrases "Science Fiction" or "Fantasy", he just hates the specific term "sci fi", because (as he has explained in a couple of rants) "it's dismissive".

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* Creator/HarlanEllison is willing to admit that he writes speculative fiction, fiction (he's even attributed with coining the term), but ''hates'' the term "sci-fi" to the point that he's walked out of interviews on live TV. In Ellison's defense, he has no problem with the phrases "Science Fiction" or "Fantasy", he just hates the specific term "sci fi", because (as he has explained in a couple of rants) "it's dismissive".
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