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10th Jul '17 9:37:50 PM Skagit
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** Creator/AlecGuiness deeply regretted Star Wars and seemed to have very much believed in this trope. Amusingly his performance snagged him an Oscar nomination for Best Supporting Actor, he's the only actor to get an Oscar nomination for a Star Wars role to date.
*** Creator/ToshitoMifune was actually the first choice to play Obi-Wan and he turned it down for a similar reason, along with the fact he was self conscious about his English skills.
17th Jun '17 10:15:52 AM nombretomado
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* KurtVonnegut would sometimes state he didn't write science fiction, and spend his life fighting the label; despite writing novels such as ''Literature/MotherNight'', ''God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater'', ''Hocus Pocus'', ''Deadeye Dick'', ''Jailbird'', and ''Literature/BreakfastOfChampions'' (all of which contain no Sci-fi), his time-travelling alien-abducted protagonist of ''SlaughterhouseFive'' made critics constantly label him otherwise, at least until people started naming it as an example of "postmodernism".

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* KurtVonnegut Creator/KurtVonnegut would sometimes state he didn't write science fiction, and spend his life fighting the label; despite writing novels such as ''Literature/MotherNight'', ''God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater'', ''Hocus Pocus'', ''Deadeye Dick'', ''Jailbird'', and ''Literature/BreakfastOfChampions'' (all of which contain no Sci-fi), his time-travelling alien-abducted protagonist of ''SlaughterhouseFive'' made critics constantly label him otherwise, at least until people started naming it as an example of "postmodernism".
11th Jun '17 7:07:40 PM Schol-R-LEA
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** More than averted - after the original series ended, Creator/RodSerling made no bones about the fact that he had deliberately used the dismissive attitudes towards SF/F for the purposes GettingCrapPastTheRadar. After the end of ''Television/Playhouse90'' due to ExecutiveMeddling regarding controversial subject, he realized that he could make those same messages - and even stronger ones - by couching them in the 'exotic' forms of horror and science fiction.
10th Jun '17 9:32:50 AM greshnak
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10th Jun '17 9:32:43 AM greshnak
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* John Wyndham's ''Literature/The Chrysalids'' has a Penguin edition with an editor's note, to paraphrase - sadly this was released into the genre known as science fiction, which isn't the case here. This troper recalls a deriding message from the editor, which is a funny case in retrospect, with the book being a sci fi tropes adherent.

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* John Wyndham's ''Literature/The Chrysalids'' ''Literature/{{The Chrysalids}}'' has a Penguin edition with an editor's note, to paraphrase - sadly this was released into the genre known as science fiction, which isn't the case here. This troper recalls a deriding message from the editor, which is a funny case in retrospect, with the book being a sci fi sci-fi tropes adherent.
10th Jun '17 9:22:48 AM greshnak
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*John Wyndham's ''Literature/The Chrysalids'' has a Penguin edition with an editor's note, to paraphrase - sadly this was released into the genre known as science fiction, which isn't the case here. This troper recalls a deriding message from the editor, which is a funny case in retrospect, with the book being a sci fi tropes adherent.
3rd May '17 8:56:51 PM PaulA
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* Inverted by Creator/NealStephenson's ''Literature/{{Cryptonomicon}}''. In spite of it being a mixture of historical and contemporary fiction, he insisted it be published as science fiction, on the grounds that science fiction is not so much a genre as an ''attitude''.[[note]]The attitude is important, but the fact that almost half the book is set [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed in fictional cultures or countries]] might also be important. The modern plot wouldn't have happened without the Sultan of Kinakuta's e-business policies, and the island of Qwghlm was too perfect a setting for the WWII cryptology plot to actually exist in the real world. This said, fictional cultures or countries are not themselves exclusive to science fiction or fantasy.[[/note]]Then Creator/WilliamGibson followed suit with ''[[Literature/BigendBooks Pattern Recognition]]'', dubbing it "A tale of Future Present" and possibly giving a name to the movement, if it ever catches on. Which is ironic, given that William Gibson hates naming subgenres.

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* Inverted by Creator/NealStephenson's ''Literature/{{Cryptonomicon}}''. In spite of it being a mixture of historical and contemporary fiction, he insisted it be published as science fiction, on the grounds that science fiction is not so much a genre as an ''attitude''.[[note]]The attitude is important, but the fact that almost half the book is set [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed in fictional cultures or countries]] might also be important. The modern plot wouldn't have happened without the Sultan of Kinakuta's e-business policies, and the island of Qwghlm was too perfect a setting for the WWII cryptology plot to actually exist in the real world. This said, fictional cultures or countries are not themselves exclusive to science fiction or fantasy.[[/note]]Then [[/note]] Then Creator/WilliamGibson followed suit with ''[[Literature/BigendBooks Pattern Recognition]]'', ''Literature/PatternRecognition'', dubbing it "A tale of Future Present" and possibly giving a name to the movement, if it ever catches on. Which is ironic, given that William Gibson hates naming subgenres.
30th Apr '17 3:46:19 PM mitcher
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* ''Film/GetOut'' averted this and MinorityShowGhetto so far. It gets rave reviews from critics, is a huge commercial success, and touted as the ''most'' succesful directorial debut by a black director. It is classified as horror by both critics and Peele himself repeatedly, altough some classified it as "social thriller".
16th Apr '17 8:33:58 AM ABiPolarGuy
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* Some fans of ''Film/TheMatrix'' refused to call it sci-fi, as apparently "It's not sci-fi unless it's in space/the future".[[note]]Not only is this not generally held among SF fans, but alternate history is considered a sub genre of SF. Those stores don't really correspond to our time stream at all but are often roughly in our past. Also time travel stories are frequently set in the past and may begin in the present day.[[/note]] Even though it was explicitly set ''in the aftermath of a RobotWar''. Not to mention that it ''was'' set in the future; the sequences apparently taking place in ThePresentDay are illusionary, a virtual reality transmitted directly to the brains of artificially-grown humans.

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* Some fans of ''Film/TheMatrix'' refused to call it sci-fi, as apparently "It's not sci-fi unless it's in space/the future".[[note]]Not only is this not generally held among SF fans, but alternate history is considered a sub genre of SF. Those stores stories don't really correspond to our time stream at all but are often roughly in our past. Also time travel stories are frequently set in the past and may begin in the present day.[[/note]] Even though it was explicitly set ''in the aftermath of a RobotWar''. Not to mention that it ''was'' set in the future; the sequences apparently taking place in ThePresentDay are illusionary, a virtual reality transmitted directly to the brains of artificially-grown humans.
16th Apr '17 8:33:04 AM ABiPolarGuy
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* Some fans of ''Film/TheMatrix'' refused to call it sci-fi, as apparently "It's not sci-fi unless it's in space/the future". Even though it was explicitly set ''in the aftermath of a RobotWar''. Not to mention that it ''was'' set in the future; the sequences apparently taking place in ThePresentDay are illusionary, a virtual reality transmitted directly to the brains of artificially-grown humans.

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* Some fans of ''Film/TheMatrix'' refused to call it sci-fi, as apparently "It's not sci-fi unless it's in space/the future". [[note]]Not only is this not generally held among SF fans, but alternate history is considered a sub genre of SF. Those stores don't really correspond to our time stream at all but are often roughly in our past. Also time travel stories are frequently set in the past and may begin in the present day.[[/note]] Even though it was explicitly set ''in the aftermath of a RobotWar''. Not to mention that it ''was'' set in the future; the sequences apparently taking place in ThePresentDay are illusionary, a virtual reality transmitted directly to the brains of artificially-grown humans.
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