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24th Apr '18 1:15:58 PM ectostar
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Science is a religion-- an [[ReligionOfEvil evil]], godless religion that isn't just [[ScienceIsBad Bad]] and [[ScienceIsWrong Wrong]], but unethical [[HarmonyVersusDiscipline by nature]]. And like all religions, [[SevenDeadlySins it has sins]]--or, rather, "[[EvilVirtues virtues]]". These are the sins that a MadScientist commits in his quests ForScience. If... no, ''[[WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong when]]'' these are violated something will [[GoneHorriblyWrong Go Horribly Wrong]] and the transgressor will receive karmic punishment [[HoistByHisOwnPetard in accordance to the sin]], increasing in evil as the number rises. [[KarmaHoudini No exceptions.]]

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Science is a religion-- an [[ReligionOfEvil evil]], godless religion that isn't just [[ScienceIsBad Bad]] and [[ScienceIsWrong Wrong]], but unethical [[HarmonyVersusDiscipline by nature]]. And like all religions, [[SevenDeadlySins it has sins]]--or, rather, "[[EvilVirtues virtues]]". These are the sins that a MadScientist commits in his quests ForScience. If... no, ''[[WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong when]]'' these are violated something will [[GoneHorriblyWrong Go Horribly Wrong]] and the transgressor will receive karmic punishment [[HoistByHisOwnPetard in accordance to the sin]], increasing in evil as the number rises. [[KarmaHoudini No exceptions.]]
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# [[AGodAmI Usurping God.]]


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# [[AGodAmI Usurping God.]]

God]].




* On ''Franchise/StarTrek'', taking organic oversight out of the command decision loop is almost invariably a catastrophic mistake (except when it's Data). [[WeWillUseManualLabourInTheFuture Humans in the Federation almost do more manual labor than we do.]]

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* On ''Franchise/StarTrek'', taking organic oversight out of the command decision loop is almost invariably a catastrophic mistake (except when it's Data). [[WeWillUseManualLabourInTheFuture Humans in the Federation almost do more manual labor than we do.]]do]].



* Battlestar Galactica 2010 is all about this. In the original series, the Cylon were alien AI, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality their motives and methods not fully understood.]] In the new 2010 version, the Cylons were built by humanity to "make life easier, simpler, and better." The Cylon didn't like that, went rogue, and after a bloody war, a peace treaty was hashed out between the two sides, until the human-form Cylon came into existence, and they decided to "come home" and commit genocide on their creators.

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* Battlestar Galactica 2010 is all about this. In the original series, the Cylon were alien AI, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality their motives and methods not fully understood.]] understood]]. In the new 2010 version, the Cylons were built by humanity to "make life easier, simpler, and better." The Cylon didn't like that, went rogue, and after a bloody war, a peace treaty was hashed out between the two sides, until the human-form Cylon came into existence, and they decided to "come home" and commit genocide on their creators.



** Despite the Council's laws against it, you encounter ''two'' rogue AI programs in just the first game - one which evolved from a casino-cheating program, and one built by your own bosses as a tactical tool. [[spoiler: Cerberus steals the second one and it ends up working for you under her new name, [=EDI=], and [[BenevolentAI she's alright.]]]]

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** Despite the Council's laws against it, you encounter ''two'' rogue AI programs in just the first game - one which evolved from a casino-cheating program, and one built by your own bosses as a tactical tool. [[spoiler: Cerberus steals the second one and it ends up working for you under her new name, [=EDI=], and [[BenevolentAI she's alright.]]]]alright]].]]



* This is ultimately the goal of the Human Instrumentality Project in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'', and it is most certainly portrayed in a fairly negative light. [[ScienceFantasy Of course, the scientificity of this sin is somewhat questionable.]]

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* This is ultimately the goal of the Human Instrumentality Project in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'', and it is most certainly portrayed in a fairly negative light. [[ScienceFantasy Of course, the scientificity of this sin is somewhat questionable.]]questionable]].



* Pretty much Jobe Wilkins's ''raison d'etre'' in the ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse''. He has genetically engineered a synthetic [[TheFairFolk Sidhe]] that is essentially a dark elf hottie. He has invented serums that can turn people into transhuman monsters... and he ''has used them on people who annoyed him''. He has invented a serum that gives people strength, endurance, and healing abilities... by turning them into what amounts to feral orcs who are put to work in his father's mines.

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* Pretty much Jobe Wilkins's Wilkins' ''raison d'etre'' in the ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse''. He has genetically engineered a synthetic [[TheFairFolk Sidhe]] that is essentially a dark elf hottie. He has invented serums that can turn people into transhuman monsters... and he ''has used them on people who annoyed him''. He has invented a serum that gives people strength, endurance, and healing abilities... by turning them into what amounts to feral orcs who are put to work in his father's mines.



* In the third book of [[Creator/CSLewis C.S. Lewis's]] ''Literature/TheSpaceTrilogy'', ''That Hideous Strength'', [[FunWithAcronyms the N.I.C.E.]] engages in several patently unethical projects, including using some sort of contrivance to keep alive the head of a previously deceased French convict.

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* In the third book of [[Creator/CSLewis C.S. Lewis's]] Lewis']] ''Literature/TheSpaceTrilogy'', ''That Hideous Strength'', [[FunWithAcronyms the N.I.C.E.]] engages in several patently unethical projects, including using some sort of contrivance to keep alive the head of a previously deceased French convict.



** To be fair, their situation is more similar to that of the [[MassEffect geth.]] Plus, it was a plan of god(s) all along.

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** To be fair, their situation is more similar to that of the [[MassEffect geth.]] geth]]. Plus, it was a plan of god(s) all along.



** [[spoiler:Finishing the entire game and discovering the complete lore reveals that there's more to it than simple [[EvilInc ambition.]]]]

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** [[spoiler:Finishing the entire game and discovering the complete lore reveals that there's more to it than simple [[EvilInc ambition.]]]]ambition]].]]



* ''Doctor Doom'' has done this on at least two occasions. In the first case, it turned out that he [[GoMadFromTheRevelation wasn't quite capable of]] [[PowerIncontinence handling the Beyonder's power]]. The second time, he gave it up because [[VictoryIsBoring being God bored him.]]

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* ''Doctor Doom'' has done this on at least two occasions. In the first case, it turned out that he [[GoMadFromTheRevelation wasn't quite capable of]] [[PowerIncontinence handling the Beyonder's power]]. The second time, he gave it up because [[VictoryIsBoring being God bored him.]]him]].
24th Apr '18 1:14:03 PM ectostar
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** 2.1 [[PowerPerversionPotential Stimulating yourself.]]
** 2.2 Using powers for [[MundaneUtility things other than combat.]]

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** 2.1 [[PowerPerversionPotential Stimulating yourself.]]
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** 2.2 Using powers for [[MundaneUtility things other than combat.]]combat]].



** 3.1 When it's [[EmergencyTransformation unwilling]], but otherwise [[NotQuiteHuman mostly]] [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman human.]]

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** 3.1 When it's [[EmergencyTransformation unwilling]], but otherwise [[NotQuiteHuman mostly]] [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman human.]]human]].



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* ''Film/IAmLegend'', the movie: we cured cancer and everybody died. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero And turned into an evil horde of zombie-vampires.]]

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!!The Third Sin of GE and Transhumanism

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!!The Fifth Sin of Autogenesis

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!!The Sixth Sin of Resurrection

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-->"''[...] the shadow of the great metal sphere that is Autochthonís chosen form enveloped them and cast their great nation into darkness. Then and only then did they lift their eyes toward the heavens and tremble in fear of the darkness that spread out around them as the body of their god descended down upon them.''

-->''Looking up in terror, too proud to even ask for forgiveness, they watched as silent sentinels as Autochthonís eye glared down upon them with umbrage and indignation.''"

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-->"''[...] the shadow of the great metal sphere that is Autochthonís chosen form enveloped them and cast their great nation into darkness. Then and only then did they lift their eyes toward the heavens and tremble in fear of the darkness that spread out around them as the body of their god descended down upon them.''

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up in terror, too proud to even ask for forgiveness, they watched as silent sentinels as Autochthonís eye glared down upon them with umbrage and indignation.''"





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!!All of the Above
* ''TabletopGame/GeniusTheTransgression'' incorporates almost the entire list into the KarmaMeter. In order of severity Transgressions include: automation, minor transhumanism, making zombies, dangerous experimentation on humans, creating intelligence, deadly experimentation on humans, moderate transhumanism, very deadly experimentation, major transhumanism, raising the dead, genocide.
* [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Notice a certain setting that has an example on every point of the list?]]
** It's like they're trying for a record or something.
** ''Trying for''? This ''is'' ''Warhammer 40000'' we are talking about. The sole purpose and quintessence of the setting is to embody UpToEleven.
* ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase'' has checked off each of them, although number 7 was carried out by superintelligent AI's, the [=TITANs=], who proceeded to forcibly upload many humans, reduce Earth to a blasted hellscape, and vanish through hyper-advanced wormhole gates. Most of them are considered routine everywhere except the Jovian Junta, although attempting to create another TITAN-style "seed AI" with unlimited potential is so illegal that if you attempt it you will be killed and all your backups will be wiped, and if your habitat doesn't take you down, Firewall will.

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* ''TabletopGame/GeniusTheTransgression'' incorporates almost the entire list into the KarmaMeter. In order of severity Transgressions include: automation, minor transhumanism, making zombies, dangerous experimentation on humans, creating intelligence, deadly experimentation on humans, moderate transhumanism, very deadly experimentation, major transhumanism, raising the dead, genocide.
* [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Notice a certain setting that has an example on every point of the list?]]
** It's like they're trying for a record or something.
** ''Trying for''? This ''is'' ''Warhammer 40000'' we are talking about. The sole purpose and quintessence of the setting is to embody UpToEleven.
* ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase'' has checked off each of them, although number 7 was carried out by superintelligent AI's, the [=TITANs=], who proceeded to forcibly upload many humans, reduce Earth to a blasted hellscape, and vanish through hyper-advanced wormhole gates. Most of them are considered routine everywhere except the Jovian Junta, although attempting to create another TITAN-style "seed AI" with unlimited potential is so illegal that if you attempt it you will be killed and all your backups will be wiped, and if your habitat doesn't take you down, Firewall will.
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' has Voidtech, which is essentially TheCorruption in the form of self-replicating machines that embody the Scientific Sins, as defined by [[UltimateBlacksmith Autocthon]]. As with many Exalted tropes, this is played with-Autocthon embodies invention and machinery, meaning he views violation the scale as something to praise, so long as it leads to better quality of life and new discoveries in the long run. Voidtech does not care about this, only itself-in effect, what happens when actual science is warped to service greed and war.
* Nearly every faction of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert3'' ''[[GameMod Paradox]]'' has committed at least one of the sins. The Allies have committed sins #1 and #2, the Empire and Syndicate have committed #1, #2, and #3 (the Syndicate is worse though), the Confederates have committed #2, China has committed #2, #3, #4, #5, and the Protectorate ''[[RobotWar is]]'' #1. Only the Soviets and Order of the Talon haven't committed any of the sins.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' has Voidtech, which is essentially TheCorruption in the form of self-replicating machines that embody the Scientific Sins, as defined by [[UltimateBlacksmith Autocthon]]. As with many Exalted tropes, this is played with-Autocthon embodies invention and machinery, meaning he views violation the scale as something to praise, so long as it leads to better quality of life and new discoveries in the long run. Voidtech does not care about this, only itself-in effect, what happens when actual science is warped to service greed and war.
* Nearly every faction of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert3'' ''[[GameMod Paradox]]'' has committed at least one of the sins. The Allies have committed sins #1 and #2, the Empire and Syndicate have committed #1, #2, and #3 (the Syndicate is worse though), the Confederates have committed #2, China has committed #2, #3, #4, #5, and the Protectorate ''[[RobotWar is]]'' #1. Only the Soviets and Order of the Talon haven't committed any of the sins.
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* ''WebOriginal/OrionsArm'', despite generally displaying all of these as good things, shows disadvantages to all but immortality.
* ''VideoGame/AmnesiaAMachineForPigs'': The Engineers commits #3 and #7, its plan is to slaughter everyone in London and convert them into Manpigs, and become a God by using the blood of the people killed.


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* ''TabletopGame/GeniusTheTransgression'' incorporates almost the entire list into the KarmaMeter. In order of severity Transgressions include: automation, minor transhumanism, making zombies, dangerous experimentation on humans, creating intelligence, deadly experimentation on humans, moderate transhumanism, very deadly experimentation, major transhumanism, raising the dead, genocide.
* [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Notice a certain setting that has an example on every point of the list?]]
** It's like they're trying for a record or something.
** ''Trying for''? This ''is'' ''Warhammer 40000'' we are talking about. The sole purpose and quintessence of the setting is to embody UpToEleven.
* ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase'' has checked off each of them, although number 7 was carried out by superintelligent AI's, the [=TITANs=], who proceeded to forcibly upload many humans, reduce Earth to a blasted hellscape, and vanish through hyper-advanced wormhole gates. Most of them are considered routine everywhere except the Jovian Junta, although attempting to create another TITAN-style "seed AI" with unlimited potential is so illegal that if you attempt it you will be killed and all your backups will be wiped, and if your habitat doesn't take you down, Firewall will.
* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' has Voidtech, which is essentially TheCorruption in the form of self-replicating machines that embody the Scientific Sins, as defined by [[UltimateBlacksmith Autocthon]]. As with many Exalted tropes, this is played with-Autocthon embodies invention and machinery, meaning he views violation the scale as something to praise, so long as it leads to better quality of life and new discoveries in the long run. Voidtech does not care about this, only itself-in effect, what happens when actual science is warped to service greed and war.
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* Nearly every faction of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert3'' ''[[GameMod Paradox]]'' has committed at least one of the sins. The Allies have committed sins #1 and #2, the Empire and Syndicate have committed #1, #2, and #3 (the Syndicate is worse though), the Confederates have committed #2, China has committed #2, #3, #4, #5, and the Protectorate ''[[RobotWar is]]'' #1. Only the Soviets and Order of the Talon haven't committed any of the sins.
* ''VideoGame/AmnesiaAMachineForPigs'': The Engineers commits #3 and #7, its plan is to slaughter everyone in London and convert them into Manpigs, and become a God by using the blood of the people killed.
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* ''WebOriginal/OrionsArm'', despite generally displaying all of these as good things, shows disadvantages to all but immortality.
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10th Sep '17 3:22:35 AM PaulA
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* Creator/HPLovecraft's series of short stories "Herbert West - Reanimator", on which the film was loosely based. Which ends with the title doctor being torn to pieces by a small army of his creations [[spoiler:though they take his head with them, and one of them is smart enough to reanimate the dead himself]].

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* Creator/HPLovecraft's series of short stories "Herbert West - Reanimator", on serial ''Literature/HerbertWestReanimator'', which the film was loosely based. Which ends with the title doctor being torn to pieces by a small army of his creations [[spoiler:though they take his head with them, and one of them is smart enough to reanimate the dead himself]].
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* ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'' - He's ''everyvere und novere.''

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* ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'' - He's Schrodinger, who is ''everyvere und novere.'''' [[spoiler:And after absorbing him and killing all the other souls within him, so is Alucard at the end]].
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* The beginning of ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' sees the trilogy's hero and main character Shepard die in an attack, only to be surgically resurrected by Cerberus on the Illusive Man's orders. The ending of ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' sees Shepard turn their back to the Illusive Man and Cerberus who go back to being villains in 3, [[spoiler: while the ending of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' ends badly for the Illusive Man by either being [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath talked to death]] or shot by Shepard]].
12th Apr '17 5:04:35 PM KOman
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* Doctor Hogback of ''Manga/OnePiece'' was a famous surgeon who disappeared from the public eye to study an island full of zombies with the hope of figuring out how to achieve proper resurrection, but it turns out that he is helping to create said zombies. Chopper claims that he would have supported Hogback, no matter how many other people accused him of playing God, if he'd actually been bringing people back from the dead, but has lost all respect for Hogback upon learning that he's simply animating corpses to do his bidding.
23rd Feb '17 5:32:01 PM AgentSalt
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# [[ImmortalityImmorality Immortality]] when it doesn't revive the dead.

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# [[ImmortalityImmorality Immortality]] when it doesn't revive the dead. (that's type 6)
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* ''Literature/HonorHarrington'': genetical modification is somewhat frowned upon, and certain forms outright forbidden, ever since a bunch of {{Ubermensch}} saw that they were "better" than humans - so they started a war that could have destroyed Earth.
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* This is THE plot point in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. Any attempts to bring back the dead are bound to fail and anyone attempting it will lose a body part as a Karmic Punishment.

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* This is THE plot point in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. Any attempts to bring back the dead are bound to fail and anyone attempting it will lose a body part as a Karmic Punishment.karmic (and ironic) punishment. But note that being forced to perform human transmutation against your will (as it happens to [[spoiler: Colonel Mustang]]) does not save you from the punishment.
23rd Sep '16 6:42:26 PM WillBGood
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* In the backstory of ''Franchise/Barsoom'' novel ''Literature/SyntheticMenOfMars'' Ras Thavas has done this. As is par for the course, it proved to perhaps be ill-advised, which kicks off the actual story.

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* In the backstory of ''Franchise/Barsoom'' the ''Franchise/{{Barsoom}}'' novel ''Literature/SyntheticMenOfMars'' Ras Thavas has done this. As is par for the course, it proved to perhaps be ill-advised, which kicks off the actual story.
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