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16th Feb '17 6:35:16 AM bedrockperson
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* In Judaism, Satan is not a fallen angel, the serpent in the Garden, or Lucifer. He's a regular angel submissive to God's will. He distinguishes himself by being critical of humanity's capacity for evil, and specifically proposes a test of faith for Job. His name comes from the word for "adversary" or "accuser" and his role is more like that of God's prosecuting attorney, the "devil's advocate." In fact, the title of Adversary does not necessarily belong to one angel; it could be the title of whichever angel is being argumentative at the moment.

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* In Judaism, Satan is not a fallen angel, the serpent in the Garden, or Lucifer. He's a regular angel submissive to God's will.will, though his job is still to spread sin, which he heavily implies he does not enjoy. He distinguishes himself by being critical of humanity's capacity for evil, and specifically proposes a test of faith for Job. His name comes from the word for "adversary" or "accuser" and his role is more like that of God's prosecuting attorney, the "devil's advocate." In fact, the title of Adversary does not necessarily belong to one angel; it could be the title of whichever angel is being argumentative at the moment.
7th Feb '17 12:24:55 PM Leyrann
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** Although, by the time he appears to tempt Jesus, he seems to have turned evil.

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** Although, by the time he appears to tempt Jesus, he seems to have turned evil. Of course, the opposite argument can also be made: If his purpose is indeed to make sure those chosen by God were truly devout and could not be swayed from His path, then his tempting of Jesus fits into this; Jesus, incarnated as a human, is not excempt from anything humans go through, up to and including temptations.
9th Jan '17 9:16:26 AM Game_Fan
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* Turns out Demon Overlord Satan in ''LightNovel/TheDevilIsAPartTimer'' is actually a pretty decent and hardworking guy who protects humans on Earth from the excesses of some of his underlings. Or at least he is after GoingNative in Japan. He even passes up opportunities to return home and resume his conquest because there are people in need of his protection. And because he doesn't want to miss his shift at [[BlandNameProduct MgRonalds]]. Even in his home land of Ente Isla, it is implied that all of the horrible atrocities the army of demons did against the Humans were the result of his generals. Satan never saw the front lines, never saw all the destruction for himself, so he had no idea how horrible things were.

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* Turns out Demon Overlord Satan in ''LightNovel/TheDevilIsAPartTimer'' is actually a pretty decent and hardworking guy person who protects humans on Earth from the excesses of some of cares for his underlings. Or at least On Ente Isla its implied that he is after GoingNative in Japan. He even passes up opportunities to return home and resume his conquest because there are people in need spent most of his protection. And because he doesn't want to miss time running the demon empire far away from the front lines and didn't know much about the massive atrocities his shift generals committed during the war, though he admits he probably wouldn't have cared at the time. Once he ends up in Japan working at [[BlandNameProduct MgRonalds]]. Even in his home land of Ente Isla, it MgRonalds]] and is implied forced to interact with humans he comes to see them as people, too. Not that all any of the horrible atrocities the army of demons did against the Humans were the result of this tempers his generals. Satan never saw the front lines, never saw all the destruction for himself, so he had no idea how horrible things were.desire to TakeOverTheWorld.
22nd Dec '16 12:17:02 AM BlackBaroness
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* Ghost, from Radio/TrueCapitalist, gets a few calls from Satanists, which made him sarcastically remark "Satan is good, Satin is my pal." Of course, this resulted in more than one StupidStatementDanceMix.[[/folder]]

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* Ghost, from Radio/TrueCapitalist, gets a few calls from Satanists, which made him sarcastically remark "Satan is good, Satin Satan is my pal." Of course, this resulted in more than one StupidStatementDanceMix.[[/folder]]
10th Dec '16 12:12:12 AM Gamermaster
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* ''Anime/TestamentOfSisterNewDevil'': Season 2 reveals that while most combat demons are dicks, [[spoiler:a vast majority of demons are just ordinary citizens who have MUCH more in common with human citizens than any other faction in existence. They've managed to balance out their economy with the environment (as seen by their pollution-free cities and lack of slums) and have little desire to rebel against the demon lords, who they pay tribute to but don't actually need]]. Suddenly, the former demon lord's desire for demons to invade the human world seems like the most rational option.

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* ''Anime/TestamentOfSisterNewDevil'': ''Anime/TheTestamentOfSisterNewDevil'': Season 2 reveals that while most combat demons are dicks, [[spoiler:a vast majority of demons are just ordinary citizens who have MUCH more in common with human citizens than any other faction in existence. They've managed to balance out their economy with the environment (as seen by their pollution-free cities and lack of slums) and have little desire to rebel against the demon lords, who they pay tribute to but don't actually need]]. Suddenly, the former demon lord's desire for demons to invade the human world seems like the most rational option.
9th Dec '16 2:18:23 AM User247
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This trope can also be called ''Luciferianism''.
9th Dec '16 2:07:51 AM User247
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Appears often in RageAgainstTheHeavens plots, although it doesn't have to - it's easy to portray {{God}} as the BigBad without bringing {{Satan}} into it at all, usually by portraying humans as the [[HumansAreSpecial good side]]. Also seen in settings with BlackAndGrayMorality, where {{Satan}} may not be ''good'', but he's ''better''. This kind of one-two punch is a red flag that you're living in a CrapsackWorld. There's no telling what TheLegionsOfHell will be like in a Satan Is Good setting; they may or may not even work for him, and if they do they may be just as WronglyAccused as their leader or he may be just barely keeping them in check.



Appears often in RageAgainstTheHeavens plots, although it doesn't have to - it's easy to portray {{God}} as the BigBad without bringing {{Satan}} into it at all, usually by portraying humans as the [[HumansAreSpecial good side]]. Also seen in settings with BlackAndGrayMorality, where {{Satan}} may not be ''good'', but he's ''better''. This kind of one-two punch is a red flag that you're living in a CrapsackWorld. There's no telling what TheLegionsOfHell will be like in a Satan Is Good setting; they may or may not even work for him, and if they do they may be just as WronglyAccused as their leader or he may be just barely keeping them in check.
1st Dec '16 12:17:50 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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* This is explored in the Creator/JoeHill novel ''Literature/{{Horns}}'', in which the protagonist wakes up one morning with a pair of horns and supernatural abilities allowing him to influence people and know their deepest, darkest thoughts. He soon comes to believe that he's becoming a devil, but for every character he punishes for their urges and transgressions, he helps just as many to find peace and happiness, as he helps them to realize that it is not healthy for them to repress certain urges, such as helping a couple of closeted gay police officers to discover that they are in love with each other and should pursue their relationship regardless of what the rest of the force might think of them. He also muses on the nature of Satan, who does God's work by punishing sinners but also accepts humanity for what it is and celebrates sin/human nature, compared to a God who runs a theological protection racket.

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* This is explored in the Creator/JoeHill novel ''Literature/{{Horns}}'', in which the protagonist wakes up one morning with a pair of horns and supernatural abilities allowing him to influence people and know their deepest, darkest thoughts. He soon comes to believe that he's becoming a devil, but for every character he punishes for their urges and transgressions, he helps just as many to find peace and happiness, as he helps them to realize that it is not healthy for them to repress certain urges, such as helping making a couple of closeted gay police officers to discover that they are deeply in love with each other and should pursue their relationship regardless of what the rest of the force might think of them. He also muses on the nature of Satan, who does God's work by punishing sinners but also accepts humanity for what it is and celebrates sin/human nature, compared to a God who runs a theological protection racket.
1st Dec '16 12:16:26 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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* This is explored in the Creator/JoeHill novel ''Literature/{{Horns}}'', in which the protagonist wakes up one morning with a pair of horns and supernatural abilities allowing him to influence people and know their deepest, darkest thoughts. He soon comes to believe that he's becoming a devil, but for every character he punishes for their urges and transgressions, he helps just as many to find peace and happiness. He also muses on the nature of Satan, who does God's work by punishing sinners but also accepts humanity for what it is and celebrates sin/human nature, compared to a God who runs a theological protection racket.

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* This is explored in the Creator/JoeHill novel ''Literature/{{Horns}}'', in which the protagonist wakes up one morning with a pair of horns and supernatural abilities allowing him to influence people and know their deepest, darkest thoughts. He soon comes to believe that he's becoming a devil, but for every character he punishes for their urges and transgressions, he helps just as many to find peace and happiness.happiness, as he helps them to realize that it is not healthy for them to repress certain urges, such as helping a couple of closeted gay police officers to discover that they are in love with each other and should pursue their relationship regardless of what the rest of the force might think of them. He also muses on the nature of Satan, who does God's work by punishing sinners but also accepts humanity for what it is and celebrates sin/human nature, compared to a God who runs a theological protection racket.
18th Nov '16 10:29:11 AM ashlay
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** Although, in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'' for SFC, Lucifer was evil -- he was just ChaoticEvil to God's [[GodIsEvil Lawful Evil.]] In the direct sequel, ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' - Lucifer's depiction changed to ChaoticGood, while YHVH remained Lawful Evil - the ending where you side with Lucifer is the closest that comes to being a truly HappyEnding of the three. Also, Satan (again, different beings) is usually God's [[TheDragon lackey]]. CrapsackWorld, folks. CrapsackWorld. It's {{Double Subver|sion}}ted with Satan's alignment in ''Shin Megami Tensei II'' - even ''he'' gets fed up with God and joins the hero if you chose the Law path. Then again, everyone thought God [[GodIsEvil had gone]] [[ThisIsUnforgivable too far]], even [[ArchangelGabriel Gabriel]].

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** Although, in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'' for SFC, Lucifer was evil -- he was just Despite being ChaoticEvil to God's [[GodIsEvil Lawful Evil.]] Evil in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'', In the direct sequel, sequel - ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' - Lucifer's depiction changed to ChaoticGood, while YHVH remained Lawful Evil - the ending where you side with Lucifer is the closest that comes to being a truly HappyEnding of the three. Also, Satan (again, different beings) is usually God's [[TheDragon lackey]]. CrapsackWorld, folks. CrapsackWorld. It's {{Double Subver|sion}}ted with Satan's alignment in ''Shin Megami Tensei II'' - even ''he'' gets fed up with God and joins the hero if you chose the Law path. Then again, everyone thought God [[GodIsEvil had gone]] [[ThisIsUnforgivable too far]], even [[ArchangelGabriel Gabriel]].


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** ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'': The heroic main character's ultimate GuardianEntity is [[spoiler:Satanael, the {{UsefulNotes/Gnostic|ism}} equivalent of the Devil. This version is also heavily inspired by the standard ''Shin Megami Tensei'' interpretation of Lucifer, down to having the same character outline and sporting the same arms open wide AssKickingPose.]]
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