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14th Aug '17 12:43:54 AM JUANDELACRUZ
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* The {{Satan}} figure of Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's ''ComicBook/MidnightNation'' is not quite good but rather an AntiVillaion who works at undoing creation because of what he sees as the needless suffering and misery of those in it, and because God has refused to allow criticism of this.

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* The {{Satan}} figure of Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's ''ComicBook/MidnightNation'' is not quite good but rather an AntiVillaion AntiVillain who works at undoing creation because of what he sees as the needless suffering and misery of those in it, and because God has refused to allow criticism of this.
14th Aug '17 12:32:12 AM JUANDELACRUZ
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*** Even then, the First of the Fallen still manages to play this trope straight, as he was originally not evil at all but was actually the exact opposite: he was in fact God's own ''Conscience'', which held God back from releasing his full potential as the Creator of Everything (as God was inhibited in creating as he still felt guilty over creating anything negative), and was thus split apart by God himself into the first independent entity. God and the FOF gradually grew distant over their differences of opinion (such as the creation of free will inevitably leading to and resulting in suffering) until FOF was later finally banished from Heaven by God and thrown into Hell for accidentally coming across God in a most embarrassing moment [[spoiler: masturbating mindlessly while in a manic state complete with leering and drooling]]. Naturally aggrieved and embittered, FOF then resolved to both expose the Creator to the rest of Creation as being the original [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity Madman]], as well as replace the rule of the regime of God in Heaven with what the FOF believed was a lucid alternative i.e. himself. Over the millennia, his endless war and power struggle against Heaven caused the FOF and his followers to eventually get [[MoralEventHorizon corrupted]] until they ultimately BecameTheirOwnAntithesis.

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*** Even then, the First of the Fallen still manages to play this trope straight, as he was originally not evil at all but was actually the exact opposite: he was in fact God's own ''Conscience'', which held God back from releasing his full potential as the Creator of Everything (as God was inhibited and hesitant in creating as he still felt guilty had reservations and doubts over creating anything negative), and was thus split apart by God himself into God, with FOF as the first independent entity. entity aside from God. God and the FOF gradually grew distant over their differences of opinion (such as the creation of free will inevitably leading to and resulting in misery and suffering) until FOF was later finally banished from Heaven by God and thrown into what later became Hell for accidentally coming across God in a most embarrassing moment [[spoiler: masturbating mindlessly while in a manic state complete with leering and drooling]]. Naturally aggrieved and embittered, FOF then resolved to both expose the Creator to the rest of Creation as being the original [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity Madman]], as well as replace the rule of the regime of God in Heaven with what the FOF believed was a lucid alternative i.e. himself. Over the millennia, his endless war and power struggle against Heaven inevitably caused the FOF and his followers to eventually get [[MoralEventHorizon corrupted]] until they ultimately BecameTheirOwnAntithesis.BecameTheirOwnAntithesis. The FOF admits that he already [[HeelRealization realized]] at some point long ago that he had finally become the irredeemable monster which humans had always made him out to be, but it was John Constantine, using knowledge from human Satanic cults, who figured out at last the true nature of FOF as the former conscience of God.
13th Aug '17 9:34:06 PM JUANDELACRUZ
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*** Even then, the First of the Fallen still manages to play this trope straight, as he was originally not evil at all but was actually the exact opposite: he was in fact God's own ''Conscience'', which held God back from releasing his full potential as the Creator of Everything (as God was inhibited in creating as he still felt guilty over creating anything negative), and was thus split apart by God himself into the first independent entity. God and the FOF gradually grew distant over their differences of opinion (such as the creation of free will inevitably leading to and resulting in suffering) until FOF was later finally banished from Heaven by God and thrown into Hell for accidentally coming across God in a most embarrassing moment [[spoiler: masturbating mindlessly while in a manic state complete with leering and drooling]]. Naturally aggrieved and embittered, FOF then resolved to both expose the Creator to the rest of Creation as being the original [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity Madman]], as well as replace the rule of the regime of God in Heaven with what the FOF believed was a lucid alternative i.e. himself. Over the millennia, his endless war and power struggle against Heaven caused the FOF and his followers to eventually get [[TheMoralEventHorizon corrupted]] until they ultimately BecameTheirOwnAntithesis.

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*** Even then, the First of the Fallen still manages to play this trope straight, as he was originally not evil at all but was actually the exact opposite: he was in fact God's own ''Conscience'', which held God back from releasing his full potential as the Creator of Everything (as God was inhibited in creating as he still felt guilty over creating anything negative), and was thus split apart by God himself into the first independent entity. God and the FOF gradually grew distant over their differences of opinion (such as the creation of free will inevitably leading to and resulting in suffering) until FOF was later finally banished from Heaven by God and thrown into Hell for accidentally coming across God in a most embarrassing moment [[spoiler: masturbating mindlessly while in a manic state complete with leering and drooling]]. Naturally aggrieved and embittered, FOF then resolved to both expose the Creator to the rest of Creation as being the original [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity Madman]], as well as replace the rule of the regime of God in Heaven with what the FOF believed was a lucid alternative i.e. himself. Over the millennia, his endless war and power struggle against Heaven caused the FOF and his followers to eventually get [[TheMoralEventHorizon [[MoralEventHorizon corrupted]] until they ultimately BecameTheirOwnAntithesis.
13th Aug '17 9:32:09 PM JUANDELACRUZ
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** Even then, the First of the Fallen still manages to play this trope straight, as he was originally not evil at all but was actually the exact opposite: he was in fact God's own ''Conscience'', which held God back from releasing his full potential as the Creator of Everything (as God was inhibited as still felt guilty over creating anything negative), and was thus split apart by God himself into the first independent entity. God and the FOF gradually grew distant over their differences of opinion (such as the creation of free will inevitably leading to and resulting in suffering) until FOF was later finally banished from Heaven by God and thrown into Hell for accidentally coming across God in a most embarrassing moment [[spoiler: masturbating mindlessly while in a manic state complete with leering and drooling]]. Naturally aggrieved and embittered, FOF then resolved to both expose the Creator to the rest of Creation as being the original insane madman, as well as replace the rule of Heaven with what he believed was a humane alternative. Over the millennia, his endless war against Heaven caused the FOF and his followers to gradually get corrupted and degenerate until they ultimately BecameTheirOwnAntithesis.

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** *** Even then, the First of the Fallen still manages to play this trope straight, as he was originally not evil at all but was actually the exact opposite: he was in fact God's own ''Conscience'', which held God back from releasing his full potential as the Creator of Everything (as God was inhibited in creating as he still felt guilty over creating anything negative), and was thus split apart by God himself into the first independent entity. God and the FOF gradually grew distant over their differences of opinion (such as the creation of free will inevitably leading to and resulting in suffering) until FOF was later finally banished from Heaven by God and thrown into Hell for accidentally coming across God in a most embarrassing moment [[spoiler: masturbating mindlessly while in a manic state complete with leering and drooling]]. Naturally aggrieved and embittered, FOF then resolved to both expose the Creator to the rest of Creation as being the original insane madman, [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity Madman]], as well as replace the rule of the regime of God in Heaven with what he the FOF believed was a humane alternative. lucid alternative i.e. himself. Over the millennia, his endless war and power struggle against Heaven caused the FOF and his followers to gradually eventually get corrupted and degenerate [[TheMoralEventHorizon corrupted]] until they ultimately BecameTheirOwnAntithesis.
13th Aug '17 9:22:06 PM JUANDELACRUZ
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* The {{Satan}} figure of Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's ''ComicBook/MidnightNation'' is not quite good but rather an AntiVillain who works at undoing creation because of what he sees as the needless suffering and misery of those in it, and because God has refused to allow criticism of this.

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** Even then, the First of the Fallen still manages to play this trope straight, as he was originally not evil at all but was actually the exact opposite: he was in fact God's own ''Conscience'', which held God back from releasing his full potential as the Creator of Everything (as God was inhibited as still felt guilty over creating anything negative), and was thus split apart by God himself into the first independent entity. God and the FOF gradually grew distant over their differences of opinion (such as the creation of free will inevitably leading to and resulting in suffering) until FOF was later finally banished from Heaven by God and thrown into Hell for accidentally coming across God in a most embarrassing moment [[spoiler: masturbating mindlessly while in a manic state complete with leering and drooling]]. Naturally aggrieved and embittered, FOF then resolved to both expose the Creator to the rest of Creation as being the original insane madman, as well as replace the rule of Heaven with what he believed was a humane alternative. Over the millennia, his endless war against Heaven caused the FOF and his followers to gradually get corrupted and degenerate until they ultimately BecameTheirOwnAntithesis.
* The {{Satan}} figure of Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's ''ComicBook/MidnightNation'' is not quite good but rather an AntiVillain AntiVillaion who works at undoing creation because of what he sees as the needless suffering and misery of those in it, and because God has refused to allow criticism of this.
3rd Aug '17 7:26:09 AM StFan
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->''"An apology for the Devil - it must be remembered that we have only heard one side of the case. God has written all of the books."''

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->''"An apology for the Devil - -- it must be remembered that we have only heard one side of the case. God has written all of the books."''



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* In ''Manga/ShinaDark'' he does appear to be good overall. Satan has all sorts of horrible things written about him (even to the point where he is believed to be a pedophile and a sex maniac). However, he really is just a good natured, lazy, couch potato, who has numerous 'accidental pervert' moments. In fact he doesn't even look like what you would expect him to look like. So much so that his Butler is often mistaken to be Satan. [[spoiler:Though refusing to fight ('It goes against the Beauty of battle if you fight the boss first') and sending your ''maid'' to fight first and then attempting to duck out of the battle with out fighting may not be considered good by some.]] Then again, if said maid is [[spoiler:a RobotGirl PersonOfMassDestruction]], that's pretty much justifiable.

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* In ''Manga/ShinaDark'' he does appear to be good overall. Satan has all sorts of horrible things written about him (even to the point where he is believed to be a pedophile and a sex maniac). However, he really is just a good natured, good-natured, lazy, couch potato, who has numerous 'accidental pervert' "accidental pervert" moments. In fact he doesn't even look like what you would expect him to look like. So much so that his Butler is often mistaken to be Satan. [[spoiler:Though refusing to fight ('It ("It goes against the Beauty of battle if you fight the boss first') first") and sending your ''maid'' to fight first and then attempting to duck out of the battle with out fighting may not be considered good by some.]] Then again, if said maid is [[spoiler:a RobotGirl PersonOfMassDestruction]], that's pretty much justifiable.



* In ''Manga/{{Bastard}}'', the fallen angel Lucifer [[spoiler: better known as Lucien Renlen, Dark Schneider's alter ego]] fights to protect humanity when all the other angels are trying to exterminate them.
** However, as it turns out [[spoiler:Satan himself (who's a different character from Lucifer) and TheLegionsOfHell are just as evil as you'd expect]].

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* In ''Manga/{{Bastard}}'', the fallen angel Lucifer [[spoiler: better [[spoiler:better known as Lucien Renlen, Dark Schneider's alter ego]] fights to protect humanity when all the other angels are trying to exterminate them.
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them. However, as it turns out [[spoiler:Satan himself (who's a different character from Lucifer) and TheLegionsOfHell are just as evil as you'd expect]].



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* While he's not portrayed as especially friendly in the ''[[Comicbook/TheSandman Sandman]]'' spinoff ''Comicbook/{{Lucifer}}'', Lucifer is at least on the side of saving this universe ([[SaveBothWorlds to say nothing of his own universe]]). [[spoiler:He even ends up helping defend Heaven against the Lilim]].

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* ''ComicBook/TheSandman'':
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While he's not portrayed as especially friendly in the ''[[Comicbook/TheSandman Sandman]]'' spinoff ''Comicbook/{{Lucifer}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Lucifer}}'', Lucifer is at least on the side of saving this universe ([[SaveBothWorlds to say nothing of his own universe]]). [[spoiler:He even ends up helping defend Heaven against the Lilim]].



** His appearance in the ''[[Comicbook/TheSandman Sandman]]'' is more ambiguous. His first appearance seems rather standard Lord of Damnation, but his later appearances show him as a mostly neutral force in things, trying to live his own life. [[spoiler:Now that he's abandoned Hell. His rant about people choosing to come to Hell and their lies about him stealing souls pissing him off also made him far more sympathetic, if not necessarily good.]] Also, he has style. [[SympathyForTheHero And he can admit to admiring God's work with sunsets]].

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** His appearance in the ''[[Comicbook/TheSandman Sandman]]'' ''The Sandman'' is more ambiguous. His first appearance seems rather standard Lord of Damnation, but his later appearances show him as a mostly neutral force in things, trying to live his own life. [[spoiler:Now that he's abandoned Hell. His rant about people choosing to come to Hell and their lies about him stealing souls pissing him off also made him far more sympathetic, if not necessarily good.]] Also, he has style. [[SympathyForTheHero And he can admit to admiring God's work with sunsets]].



* In ''PropositionPlayer'', Hell Mary points out that the "other side" rushed their book through production without letting her side make a point for them, and asks Joey if he could really picture his friends in heaven, kowtowing to the big guy and trying to outdo each other at telling Him how great he is. She is also savvy enough to level with Joey and, later, [[spoiler:switches allegiance and joins his group when he decides to become a big player.]] Her celestial counterpart, meanwhile, is a huge jerk who alternately tries to buy off the souls or threaten Joey passive-aggressively, and makes no secret of what a misogynistic, power-abusing, sociopathic asshole he is. (He also doesn't realize that intimidation doesn't work on a cynical bastard like Joey.)
* ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}} has Phil, the ruler of Heck and Prince of Insufficient Light. He's basically a harmless version of the devil who inflicts very minor punishments on people for very minor sins. He also turns out to be Dilbert's boss's brother.

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* In ''PropositionPlayer'', ''ComicBook/PropositionPlayer'', Hell Mary points out that the "other side" rushed their book through production without letting her side make a point for them, and asks Joey if he could really picture his friends in heaven, kowtowing to the big guy and trying to outdo each other at telling Him how great he is. She is also savvy enough to level with Joey and, later, [[spoiler:switches allegiance and joins his group when he decides to become a big player.]] Her celestial counterpart, meanwhile, is a huge jerk who alternately tries to buy off the souls or threaten Joey passive-aggressively, and makes no secret of what a misogynistic, power-abusing, sociopathic asshole he is. (He also doesn't realize that intimidation doesn't work on a cynical bastard like Joey.)
* ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}} has Phil, the ruler of Heck and Prince of Insufficient Light. He's basically a harmless version of the devil who inflicts very minor punishments on people for very minor sins. He also turns out to be Dilbert's boss's brother.
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* In ''{{ComicBook/Crimson}}'', Lucifer appears as a [[AffablyEvil friendly, smooth-talking, easy-going]] ManOfWealthAndTaste. While he is said to be evil in nature as he attempted to usurp God's creation in the distant past and is fated to try it again in the end times, he saves the main protagonist's life when he is being [[KangarooCourt summarily judged]] by a group of [[LightIsNotGood overzealous archangels]] - Its quite telling when the ''freakin' Devil'' is nicer than the angels. A flashback shows him as a BenevolentBoss to [[TheAtoner Ekimus]] when he fought on Hell's side and gracefully heeds his retirement request from service. In general, he is the only one of the angels who maintains a close relationship with {{God}}. It's implied that the other angels have become so full of themselves that they can't recognize God for who He really is. God and Satan have creative differences, but they team up to manipulate the other angels into achieving mutual goals for each other. God even offers him redemption, Lucifer declines stating that he likes his gig.

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* In ''{{ComicBook/Crimson}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Crimson}}'', Lucifer appears as a [[AffablyEvil friendly, smooth-talking, easy-going]] ManOfWealthAndTaste. While he is said to be evil in nature as he attempted to usurp God's creation in the distant past and is fated to try it again in the end times, he saves the main protagonist's life when he is being [[KangarooCourt summarily judged]] by a group of [[LightIsNotGood overzealous archangels]] - Its quite telling when the ''freakin' Devil'' is nicer than the angels. A flashback shows him as a BenevolentBoss to [[TheAtoner Ekimus]] when he fought on Hell's side and gracefully heeds his retirement request from service. In general, he is the only one of the angels who maintains a close relationship with {{God}}. It's implied that the other angels have become so full of themselves that they can't recognize God for who He really is. God and Satan have creative differences, but they team up to manipulate the other angels into achieving mutual goals for each other. God even offers him redemption, Lucifer declines stating that he likes his gig.



[[folder:Fan Fiction]]
* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4267279/1/Hero-High-Sphinx-Academy Hero High: Sphinx Academy]], the character [[GodIsEvil Lord]] often lampshades this trope. Once commenting on how he was the good guy since he has turned people to salt, fed them to whales and caused a flood to wipe out humanity. Then states Satan is evil because he punishes people who are evil. After finishing that sentence he openly asks "which one of us is the ''bad'' one again?"
* Played with in ''Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos''. [[PhysicalGod Maledict]] is a FauxAffablyEvil ManipulativeBastard tyrant with semi-good intentions. However, compared to [[GodIsEvil Allysion]] and the Angels (especially the Muslims), he looks like a saint in comparison.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4267279/1/Hero-High-Sphinx-Academy Hero High: Sphinx Academy]], ''ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}'' has Phil, the character [[GodIsEvil Lord]] often lampshades this trope. Once commenting on how he was ruler of Heck and Prince of Insufficient Light. He's basically a harmless version of the good guy since he has turned devil who inflicts very minor punishments on people to salt, fed them to whales and caused a flood to wipe for very minor sins. He also turns out humanity. Then states Satan is evil because he punishes people who are evil. After finishing that sentence he openly asks "which one of us is the ''bad'' one again?"
* Played with in ''Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos''. [[PhysicalGod Maledict]] is a FauxAffablyEvil ManipulativeBastard tyrant with semi-good intentions. However, compared
to [[GodIsEvil Allysion]] and the Angels (especially the Muslims), he looks like a saint in comparison.be Dilbert's boss's brother.



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* In ''WesternAnimation/Ben10'' [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4267279/1/Hero-High-Sphinx-Academy Hero High: Sphinx Academy]], the character [[GodIsEvil Lord]] often lampshades this trope. Once commenting on how he was the good guy since he has turned people to salt, fed them to whales and caused a flood to wipe out humanity. Then states Satan is evil because he punishes people who are evil. After finishing that sentence he openly asks "which one of us is the ''bad'' one again?"
* Played with in ''Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos''. [[PhysicalGod Maledict]] is a FauxAffablyEvil ManipulativeBastard tyrant with semi-good intentions. However, compared to [[GodIsEvil Allysion]] and the Angels (especially the Muslims), he looks like a saint in comparison.
* Michael Aquino's ''[[http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/Morlindale.pdf Morlindale]]'' is a retelling of some of the backstory of ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' that paints Melkor and Sauron as ultimately heroic figures. Col. Aquino used to be the equivalent of an archbishop in the ''Church of Satan.'' Satan Is Good, indeed. As an additional note, Eru Ilúvatar, the traditional analogue of God in the Tolkien mythos, is ''[[AvertedTrope not]]'' [[GodIsEvil evil]]; rather, he is a TrueNeutral embodiment of the natural order of Arda (although in the view of Melkor and Sauron ([[spoiler: and eventually Pallando]]), this order is inherently unjust and something to be struggled against). [[FantasyPantheon The Valar]], [[JerkassGods on the other hand...]]
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[[folder:Films -- Live-Action]]



-->But what time is ''about'', they say, is slowly winning the Lone One back to the right side. When that happens, the Whisperer saysó when a billion years' worth of wizards' victories finally wear sa'Rrahh down enough to show her what possibilities can lie beyond her own furious blindness and fixity - then death and entropy will begin to work backward, undoing themselves; evil will transform its own nature and will have no defense against that final transformation, coming as it will from within. The universe will be remade, as if it had been made right from the beginning. ... Every time one of us stands up knowingly to the Devastatrix, she loses a little ground. Every time one of us wins, she loses a little more. And the Whisperer says that the effect is cumulative. No wizard knows whether his or her act today, this minute or the next, might not be the one that will finally make the Lone Power say, 'I give up: joy is easier.' And then the long fall upward into the light, and the rebirth of the worlds, will start...

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-->But what time is ''about'', they say, is slowly winning the Lone One back to the right side. When that happens, the Whisperer saysó when a billion years' worth of wizards' victories finally wear sa'Rrahh down enough to show her what possibilities can lie beyond her own furious blindness and fixity - -- then death and entropy will begin to work backward, undoing themselves; evil will transform its own nature and will have no defense against that final transformation, coming as it will from within. The universe will be remade, as if it had been made right from the beginning. ... Every time one of us stands up knowingly to the Devastatrix, she loses a little ground. Every time one of us wins, she loses a little more. And the Whisperer says that the effect is cumulative. No wizard knows whether his or her act today, this minute or the next, might not be the one that will finally make the Lone Power say, 'I give up: joy is easier.' And then the long fall upward into the light, and the rebirth of the worlds, will start...



* Played with in the ''ChristCloneTrilogy''. [[spoiler:The end of the second book almost convinces you God really is the bad guy.]]

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* Played with in the ''ChristCloneTrilogy''.''Literature/ChristCloneTrilogy''. [[spoiler:The end of the second book almost convinces you God really is the bad guy.]]



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* InUniverse in ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine:'' some Bajorans worship [[EldritchAbomination the Pah Wraiths]], the demons of the planet's majority religion. It turns out these beings are actually real and actually evil, but most of their worshipers simply feel that [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien the Prophets]] had [[TheGodsMustBeLazy abandoned them]] during the Cardassian Occupation and are looking for an alternate spiritual option.

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* InUniverse in ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine:'' some ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'':
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Bajorans worship [[EldritchAbomination the Pah Wraiths]], the demons of the planet's majority religion. It turns out these beings are actually real and actually evil, but most of their worshipers simply feel that [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien the Prophets]] had [[TheGodsMustBeLazy abandoned them]] during the Cardassian Occupation and are looking for an alternate spiritual option.



* {{Subverted|Trope}} on ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'': Lucifer would like to convince you that he's the good guy, but he's clearly just an egotistical bastard. At times he'll come off as AffablyEvil, but then he'll go and do something that completely averts this, [[spoiler: i.e. killing off an army of demons (his children) to summon Death, exploding Castiel, snapping Bobby's neck, beating the living crap out of Dean (while wearing Sam's body!) etcetera, etcetera.]] Then again, on this show, [[CrapsackWorld no higher power can possibly be good]].
* The Devil of ''[[Series.TheCollector The Collector]]'', [[OmniscientMoralityLicense or so he claims]].

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* {{Subverted|Trope}} on ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'': Lucifer would like to convince you that he's the good guy, but he's clearly just an egotistical bastard. At times he'll come off as AffablyEvil, but then he'll go and do something that completely averts this, [[spoiler: i.[[spoiler:i.e. killing off an army of demons (his children) to summon Death, exploding Castiel, snapping Bobby's neck, beating the living crap out of Dean (while wearing Sam's body!) etcetera, etcetera.]] Then again, on this show, [[CrapsackWorld no higher power can possibly be good]].
* The Devil of ''[[Series.TheCollector The Collector]]'', ''Series/TheCollector'', [[OmniscientMoralityLicense or so he claims]].



---> Now it's true about my wealth, true about my taste
---> But you don't need no help from me, you'll lay yourself to waste

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---> Now -->''Now it's true about my wealth, true about my taste
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But you don't need no help from me, you'll lay yourself to wastewaste''



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* In Christianity, Satan ''was'' good would be correct. He was God's servant and his title of Satan (lit. The Adversary/Accuser) meant that he was the adversary of liars, hypocrites, and frauds, and his purpose was to put those chosen by God through their paces and make sure that they were truly devout and could not be swayed from the path of God. His part in the book of Job was that God was telling him about how faithful and righteous Job was and Satan was not buying it and said that of course he is, after all with all of the benefits that you are giving him he would have to be insane to not worship you.
** Although, by the time he appears to tempt Jesus, he seems to have turned evil. Of course, the opposite argument can also be made: If his purpose is indeed to make sure those chosen by God were truly devout and could not be swayed from His path, then his tempting of Jesus fits into this; Jesus, incarnated as a human, is not excempt from anything humans go through, up to and including temptations.

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* In Christianity, Satan ''was'' good would be correct. He was God's servant and his title of Satan (lit. The Adversary/Accuser) meant that he was the adversary of liars, hypocrites, and frauds, and his purpose was to put those chosen by God through their paces and make sure that they were truly devout and could not be swayed from the path of God. His part in the book of Job was that God was telling him about how faithful and righteous Job was and Satan was not buying it and said that of course he is, after all with all of the benefits that you are giving him he would have to be insane to not worship you.
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Although, by the time he appears to tempt Jesus, he seems to have turned evil. Of course, the opposite argument can also be made: If his purpose is indeed to make sure those chosen by God were truly devout and could not be swayed from His path, then his tempting of Jesus fits into this; Jesus, incarnated as a human, is not excempt exempt from anything humans go through, up to and including temptations.



[[folder: New Media]]
* Michael Aquino's ''[[http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/Morlindale.pdf Morlindale]]'' is a retelling of some of the backstory of ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' that paints Melkor and Sauron as ultimately heroic figures.
** Col. Aquino used to be the equivalent of an archbishop in the ''Church of Satan.'' Satan Is Good, indeed.
** As an additional note, Eru Ilúvatar, the traditional analogue of God in the Tolkien mythos, is ''[[AvertedTrope not]]'' [[GodIsEvil evil]]; rather, he is a TrueNeutral embodiment of the natural order of Arda (although in the view of Melkor and Sauron ([[spoiler: and eventually Pallando]]), this order is inherently unjust and something to be struggled against). [[FantasyPantheon The Valar]], [[JerkassGods on the other hand...]]
* Lucy in the ''WebVideo/MrDeity'' online shorts. An amiable and rather pleasant (if short-tempered) woman and Mr. Deity's on-off girlfriend, who only agreed to be Lord of Hell to do Mr. Deity a favour, really doesn't like the 'passive-aggressive' references to her being a 'snake' in the '[[Literature/TheBible script]]', and would much rather that her avatar be a bunny. The only thing about her that really comes even close to actually being 'evil' is her slight over-enthusiasm for the torture and punishment of adulterers, and it's implied by Mr. Deity's uncomfortable reactions whenever she brings it up that he's more than a little responsible for that particular attitude.
* Satan attempts to clear up misconceptions about him on his ''[[http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11582 FAQ page]]''.
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* A ChannelATE strip dealt with the devil's confusion over his apparent bad reputation. It was appropriately titled [[http://www.channelate.com/2008/12/17/dont-believe-everything-you-hear/ Don't Believe Everything You Hear]]
-->'''Satan''': Welcome to Hell, Mr. Jones, here is-
-->'''Jones''': I don't understand! I know I could have tried to be a better person, but I did my best. I didn't kill anyone.
-->'''Satan''': I know, great job. here is your welcome package with cologne, margarita mix, a bottle of Patron and a dance card. Enjoy the eternal party.\\

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* A ChannelATE ''Webcomic/ChannelAte'' strip dealt with the devil's confusion over his apparent bad reputation. It was appropriately titled [[http://www.channelate.com/2008/12/17/dont-believe-everything-you-hear/ Don't "Don't Believe Everything You Hear]]
-->'''Satan''':
Hear"]].
-->'''Satan:'''
Welcome to Hell, Mr. Jones, here is-
-->'''Jones''':
is--\\
'''Jones:'''
I don't understand! I know I could have tried to be a better person, but I did my best. I didn't kill anyone.
-->'''Satan''':
anyone.\\
'''Satan:'''
I know, great job. here Here is your welcome package with cologne, margarita mix, a bottle of Patron and a dance card. Enjoy the eternal party.\\



* In ''EvilInc'', the devil acts quite the gentleman when it comes to his daughter marrying another supervillain.

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* In ''EvilInc'', ''Webcomic/EvilInc'', the devil acts quite the gentleman when it comes to his daughter marrying another supervillain.



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* Lucy in the ''WebVideo/MrDeity'' online shorts. An amiable and rather pleasant (if short-tempered) woman and Mr. Deity's on-off girlfriend, who only agreed to be Lord of Hell to do Mr. Deity a favour, really doesn't like the 'passive-aggressive' references to her being a 'snake' in the '[[Literature/TheBible script]]', and would much rather that her avatar be a bunny. The only thing about her that really comes even close to actually being 'evil' is her slight over-enthusiasm for the torture and punishment of adulterers, and it's implied by Mr. Deity's uncomfortable reactions whenever she brings it up that he's more than a little responsible for that particular attitude.
* Satan attempts to clear up misconceptions about him on his ''[[http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11582 FAQ page]]''.



--> '''Satan''': Thanks, God. I forgot how clear you made things.
--> '''God''': It was good to see you again, Satan.
** God points out in the aforementioned episode that Satan's gone through quite a bit of VillainDecay to get here.
--> '''God:''' ...Jesus, what the hell happened to you? [[BadassDecay You got kicked outta here for being a head-strong rebel, and now you're a whiny little bitch]].

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--> '''Satan''': -->'''Satan:''' Thanks, God. I forgot how clear you made things.
--> '''God''':
things.\\
'''God:'''
It was good to see you again, Satan.
** :: God points out in the aforementioned episode that Satan's gone through quite a bit of VillainDecay to get here.
--> '''God:''' ...-->'''God:''' ...Jesus, what the hell happened to you? [[BadassDecay You got kicked outta here for being a head-strong rebel, and now you're a whiny little bitch]].



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10th Jul '17 2:16:30 PM ultimomant
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* Satan from ''Anime/SevenMortalSins'' is one of the most noble demons by sending the soul of an innocent woman to Heaven and then cutting the soul of her killer in pieces [[spoiler:she even helps Lucifer defend Earth and Hell when GodIsEvil is in play.]]

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* ''Anime/SevenMortalSins'', Satan from ''Anime/SevenMortalSins'' is one of the most noble demons by sending the soul of an innocent woman to Heaven and then cutting the soul of her killer in pieces [[spoiler:she into pieces. [[spoiler:She even helps Lucifer defend Earth and Hell when GodIsEvil is in play.]]
21st Jun '17 2:06:53 AM OrigamiTovaychy
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* Satan from ''Anime/SevenMortalSins'' is one of the most noble demons by sending the soul of an innocent woman to Heaven and then cutting the soul of her killer in pieces [[spoiler:she even helps Lucifer defend Earth and Hell when GodIsEvil is in play.]]
6th Jun '17 6:37:13 PM Gamermaster
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* A hentai anime called ''Be-yond'' involves Satan, who who was apparently a SealedEvilInACan with EasyAmnesia with a QuestForIdentity. The man (demon?) is so nice, you could forget that he can easily destroy the entire universe if he wanted, and crush someone into artoms if they are cruel, but he would rather put his own needs behind himself to help others. One of the main characters who is a FairCop decides to make sure he doesn't remember who he is.

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* A hentai anime called ''Be-yond'' involves Satan, who who was apparently a SealedEvilInACan with EasyAmnesia with a QuestForIdentity. The man (demon?) is so nice, you could forget that he can easily destroy the entire universe if he wanted, and crush someone into artoms atoms if they are cruel, but he would rather put his own needs behind himself to help others. One of the main characters who is a FairCop decides to make sure he doesn't remember who he is.
7th May '17 10:19:14 AM Ultraman-Prime
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* In ''{{ComicBook/Crimson}}'', Lucifer appears as a [[AffablyEvil friendly, smooth-talking, easy-going]] ManOfWealthAndTaste. While he is said to be evil in nature as he attempted to usurp God's creation in the distant past and is fated to try it again in the end times, he saves the main protagonist's life when he is being [[KangorooCourt summarily judged]] by a group of [[LightIsNotGood overzealous archangels]] - Its quite telling when the ''freakin' Devil'' is nicer than the angels. A flashback shows him as a BenevolentBoss to [[TheAtoner Ekimus]] when he fought on Hell's side and gracefully heeds his retirement request from service. In general, he is the only one of the angels who maintains a close relationship with {{God}}. It's implied that the other angels have become so full of themselves that they can't recognize God for who He really is. God and Satan have creative differences, but they team up to manipulate the other angels into achieving mutual goals for each other. God even offers him redemption, Lucifer declines stating that he likes his gig.

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* In ''{{ComicBook/Crimson}}'', Lucifer appears as a [[AffablyEvil friendly, smooth-talking, easy-going]] ManOfWealthAndTaste. While he is said to be evil in nature as he attempted to usurp God's creation in the distant past and is fated to try it again in the end times, he saves the main protagonist's life when he is being [[KangorooCourt [[KangarooCourt summarily judged]] by a group of [[LightIsNotGood overzealous archangels]] - Its quite telling when the ''freakin' Devil'' is nicer than the angels. A flashback shows him as a BenevolentBoss to [[TheAtoner Ekimus]] when he fought on Hell's side and gracefully heeds his retirement request from service. In general, he is the only one of the angels who maintains a close relationship with {{God}}. It's implied that the other angels have become so full of themselves that they can't recognize God for who He really is. God and Satan have creative differences, but they team up to manipulate the other angels into achieving mutual goals for each other. God even offers him redemption, Lucifer declines stating that he likes his gig.
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