History Main / SadisticChoice

11th Feb '17 9:52:40 PM CompletelyNormalGuy
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* This is analyzed in the webcomic Webcomic/CityOfReality. The idea is, if the hero is given the choice of saving the girl, or saving a busload of children, what kind of person could he be if he chose to save the girl, if it meant that the busload of children died instead? Que a shot of the hero holding the girl tightly, telling the girl how much he loved her... while they both watch the busload of children drown, the girl wearing an increasingly horrified expression.

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* This is analyzed in the webcomic Webcomic/CityOfReality. The idea is, if the hero is given the choice of saving the girl, or saving a busload of children, what kind of person could he be if he chose to save the girl, if it meant that the busload of children died instead? Que Cue a shot of the hero holding the girl tightly, telling the girl how much he loved her... while they both watch the busload of children drown, the girl wearing an increasingly horrified expression.
5th Feb '17 4:31:38 AM MoonByte
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** The Massachusetts Institute of Technology has now created a [[http://moralmachine.mit.edu/ online game]] called "Moral Machine" to analyze what the public deems as appropiate actions for a self-driving car. Currently (Feb 2017), the majority cares mostly about what saves more lives, does not care about whether or not to save themselves, cares a bit about upholding the law (running over jaywalking people), slightly favour saving females, prefer saving humans over animals, prefer young over old people, thin over fat people and "good" people (in the shape of doctors) over "bad" people (in the shape of bank robbers).
14th Jan '17 7:13:55 PM IlGreven
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** In fact, there are so many of these cards, the designers and players have a name for them: "punisher" cards.
23rd Dec '16 12:34:19 AM Theatre_Maven_3695
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** The real reason it's banned is because players usually use it not to get a card in their hand, but get them in the Graveyard. For example, the most notorious use of this card, was to use it to summon the incredibly powerful Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning, possibly on your first turn. You chose any two Light Monsters, any two Dark Monsters, and any other card. No matter which card your opponent chose, you'd have the requirements to summon Black Luster Soldier; the choice your opponent made [[MortonsFork did not matter in the least]]. And there were ''lots'' of similar combos that could be used with a similar strategy.
** This was used in a duel in the anime by Kaiba's adopted father. The five cards in question were the five pieces of Exodia, which he then used to summon [[EvilTwin Exodia Necros]], a particularly nasty card that is immune to various things depending on which part/s are in the graveyard. All five being in there, it was immune to damn-near everything.

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** The real reason it's banned is because players usually use it not to Another strategy doesn't get a card in their hand, but get them in the Graveyard. For example, the most notorious use of this card, card at one point was to use it to summon the incredibly powerful [[GameBreaker Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning, Beginning,]] possibly on your first turn. You chose any two Light Monsters, any two Dark Monsters, and any other card. No matter which card your opponent chose, you'd have the requirements to summon Black Luster Soldier; the choice your opponent made [[MortonsFork did not matter in the least]]. And there were ''lots'' of similar combos that could be used with a to achieve similar strategy.
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** This was used in a duel in the anime by Kaiba's adopted father. The five cards in question were the five pieces of Exodia, which he then used to summon [[EvilTwin Exodia Necros]], Necross]], a particularly nasty card that is immune to various things depending on which part/s are in the graveyard. All five being in there, it was immune to damn-near everything.
23rd Dec '16 12:26:04 AM Theatre_Maven_3695
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* At most a fifth of [[InNameOnly nominal Holocaust 'perpetrators']] did everything they could to avoid participating, though most were unable to avoid helping in at least some capacity. About the same proportion enjoyed or came to enjoy the work. They provide a very, very long list of examples.

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* At most a fifth of [[InNameOnly nominal Holocaust 'perpetrators']] 'perpetrators' did everything they could to avoid participating, though most were unable to avoid helping in at least some capacity. About the same proportion enjoyed or came to enjoy the work. They provide a very, very long list of examples.



* A [[SemperFi US Marine]] called [[http://jameslandrith.com/index.php/2008/06/28/admitting-it-when-a-woman-is-the-rapist/ James Landrith]] was forced into a very sadistic choice: he was drinking out, and a pregnant woman [[SlippingAMickey slipped him a mickey]]. He woke up with her on top of him, raping him, and she threatened him with a FalseRapeAccusation if he fought back. What's it gonna be? Rape or FalseRapeAccusation?



** When presented to a toy version of this dilemma, a young boy decided to TakeAThirdOption, as it can be seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lJ-0H2l9Os in this video]]. He picked the one (toy-)person, put it with the other five, so one track was empty and the other was with six figures. Then, he... [[spoiler: made the train [[KillEmAll run over all the six]]]].

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** When presented to a toy version of this dilemma, a young boy decided to TakeAThirdOption, as it can be seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lJ-0H2l9Os in this video]]. He picked the one (toy-)person, put it with the other five, so one track was empty and the other was with six figures. Then, he... [[spoiler: made the train [[KillEmAll run over all the six]]]].six]].
4th Dec '16 9:47:53 AM elemt
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* Parodied by ''WebVideo/LoadingReadyRun'' with ''Meatfist's Terrible Choice'', in which a stupid villain faces the [[IdiotHero even stupider]] Meatfist with two options; either he gives him the code to the bomb and surrenders, or he throws Meatfist's girlfriend off the roof. Neither of them are bright enough to realize one of these options has no downside, and Meatfist and makes a terrible choice.

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* Parodied by ''WebVideo/LoadingReadyRun'' with ''Meatfist's Terrible Choice'', in which a stupid villain faces the [[IdiotHero even stupider]] Meatfist with two options; either he gives him the code to the bomb and surrenders, or he throws Meatfist's girlfriend off the roof. Neither of them are bright enough to realize one of these options has no downside, and Meatfist and makes a terrible choice.
4th Dec '16 9:46:13 AM elemt
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* Parodied by ''WebVideo/LoadingReadyRun'' with ''Meatfist's Terrible Choice'', in which a stupid villain faces the [[IdiotHero even stupider]] Meatfist with two options; either he gives him the code to the bomb and surrenders, or he throws Meatfist's girlfriend off the roof. Neither of them are bright enough to realize one of these options has no downside, and Meatfist and makes a terrible choice.
3rd Dec '16 7:22:30 PM silverbolt1
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** When presented to a toy version of this dilemma, a young boy decided to TakeAThirdOption, as it can be seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lJ-0H2l9Os in this video]].

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** When presented to a toy version of this dilemma, a young boy decided to TakeAThirdOption, as it can be seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lJ-0H2l9Os in this video]]. He picked the one (toy-)person, put it with the other five, so one track was empty and the other was with six figures. Then, he... [[spoiler: made the train [[KillEmAll run over all the six]]]].
3rd Dec '16 7:04:28 PM silverbolt1
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** And this has become a real issue with the development of self-driving cars. A typical case is that a group of children jump out in front of such a car, such that the car could not stop in time to avoid hitting them. The car could instead swerve and hit a wall, in which case the driver would risk injury instead of the children. Done by a human driver it's a HeroicSacrifice; but as the programmer of the self-driving software for the car, whichever choice you program the car to make you are creating a KillerRobot.

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** When presented to a toy version of this dilemma, a young boy decided to TakeAThirdOption, as it can be seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lJ-0H2l9Os in this video]].
** And this has become a real issue with the development of self-driving cars. A typical case is that a group of children jump out in front of such a car, such that the car could not stop in time to avoid hitting them. The car could instead swerve and hit a wall, in which case the driver would risk injury instead of the children. Done by a human driver it's a HeroicSacrifice; but as the programmer of the self-driving software for the car, whichever choice you program the car to make you are creating a KillerRobot. However, considering that good-quality cars are equipped with safety devices (safety belt and airbags, for example), the driver would be, at least theorically, better protected than the children, as these devices are placed inside the car and not outside.
7th Nov '16 2:53:02 PM Xelloss08
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* In ''Webcomic/MysteryBabylon'', one of the flashbacks has K Scum presenting J.J. with a sadistic choice by imprisoning both Kick Girl and Sumire in chambers filling with nerve gas, forcing him to choose who to rescue first. Kick Girl tells J.J. to rescue Sumire first... and is annoyed when J.J. immediately agrees.
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