History Main / SadisticChoice

9th May '17 8:03:31 PM elemt
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** In 1942-3, Sicherheitspolizei (Si'po) and Ordnungspolizei (Or'po') police units in Poland were [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust ordered by regional Police authorities to dispose of their Jewish 'Hiwis' (non-German 'helpers') to render those regions ''Judenrein'' (non-Jewish)]]. Since many had grown very attached to their Jewish helpers, the first instinct of more compassionate troopers was to let them go. However, the realists among them went out of their way to kill them quickly and totally unexpectedly instead. The wisdom of doing the latter was proven in the weeks and months that followed, as Hiwis who'd been allowed to escape were encountered in 'bandit sweeps' or, as the troops called them given the usual victims, ''Judenjagd'' (Jew-hunts) - sometimes by the very people who'd let them escape. In one such incident a particularly cruel Order Police officer ordered one of his men, whom he knew had liked their cooking and suspected (correctly) had let them escape, to shoot them. He walked away. [[note]] Because it was actually a Voluntary Action (despite what his officer had claimed) he wasn't punished [[/note]]

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** In 1942-3, Sicherheitspolizei (Si'po) and Ordnungspolizei (Or'po') police units in Poland were [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust ordered by regional Police authorities to dispose of their Jewish 'Hiwis' (non-German 'helpers') to render those regions ''Judenrein'' (non-Jewish)]]. Since many had grown very attached to their Jewish helpers, the first instinct of more compassionate troopers was to let them go. However, the realists among them went out of their way to kill them quickly and totally unexpectedly instead. The wisdom of doing the latter was proven in In the weeks and months that followed, as followed Hiwis who'd been allowed to escape were encountered in 'bandit sweeps' or, as the troops called them given the usual victims, ''Judenjagd'' (Jew-hunts) - sometimes by the very people who'd let them escape. In one such incident a particularly cruel Order Police officer ordered one of his men, whom he knew had liked their cooking and suspected (correctly) had let them escape, to shoot them. He walked away. [[note]] Because it was actually a Voluntary Action (despite what his officer had claimed) he wasn't punished [[/note]]



* Some have presented President Harry S. Truman's decision to [[UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki use the atomic bombs]] as one of these, given the potential dilemma of choosing between killing a couple hundred thousand Japanese or losing a similar number of Americans and killing an even larger number of Japanese. In his mind, and to most Allied citizens of the time, there was no question what the 'right' thing to do was. At the time, using the bombs to improve the efficiency of the Strategic Bombing campaign was not seen as a particularly horrible or unique decision. What Nina Tannenwald has called 'The Nuclear Tabboo' simply did not exist at that time, because it hadn't been invented yet (by self-centred Japanese and sympathetic foreigners).

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* Some have presented President Harry S. Truman's decision to [[UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki use the atomic bombs]] as one of these, given the potential dilemma of choosing between killing a couple hundred thousand Japanese or losing a similar number of Americans and killing an even larger number of Japanese. In his mind, and to most Allied citizens of the time, there was no question what the 'right' thing to do was. At the time, using the bombs to improve the efficiency of the Strategic Bombing campaign was not seen as a particularly horrible or unique decision. What decision, what Nina Tannenwald has called 'The Nuclear Tabboo' simply did not exist at that time, because it hadn't been invented yet (by self-centred Japanese and sympathetic foreigners). coming about in the aftermath.
1st May '17 5:13:13 PM mlsmithca
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When it's a choice between two people, one or both of them will often [[MoreExpendableThanYou encourage the hero to choose to save the other.]] This is also a good time for the villain to put the hostages in separate {{Death Trap}}s with a timer that guarantees that he can only save one of them. If someone decides to choose for someone else, see MakingTheChoiceForYou. Many villains in this scenario are not above pulling a YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo on the character once the choice is made, just to [[KickTheDog be a complete jerk]].

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When it's a choice between two people, one or both of them will often [[MoreExpendableThanYou encourage the hero to choose to save the other.]] This is also a good time for the villain to put the hostages in separate {{Death Trap}}s with a timer that guarantees that he can only save one of them. If someone decides to choose for someone else, see MakingTheChoiceForYou. Many villains in this scenario are not above pulling a YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo on the character once the choice is made, just to [[KickTheDog be a complete jerk]].
bastard]].
22nd Apr '17 1:33:10 PM kazokuhouou
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* In ''WebComic/SailorMoonCosmosArc'', a brainwashed Chibiusa left Usagi with three choices: watch as she killed the other Senshi, kill her own daughter, or submit to and join Chaos. [[spoiler: Usagi lets Chibiusa kill ''her'' instead.]]
14th Apr '17 4:28:28 AM F1Krazy
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* The Oroville Dam crisis in February 2017 culminated in one of these. With the main spillway damaged, and more rain forecast, the dam's operators were left with a choice: increase the rate of flow down the main spillway, draining the reservoir but damaging the spillway further, or leave the flow rate as it was and risk the reservoir overflowing entirely. They chose the former option, but the dam still overflowed onto the emergency spillway for a short time.
10th Apr '17 9:28:32 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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When it's a choice between two people, one or both of them will often [[MoreExpendableThanYou encourage the hero to choose to save the other.]] This is also a good time for the villain to be GenreSavvy enough to put the hostages in separate {{Death Trap}}s with a timer that guarantees that he can only save one of them. If someone decides to choose for someone else, see MakingTheChoiceForYou. Many villains in this scenario are not above pulling a YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo on the character once the choice is made, just to [[KickTheDog be a complete jerk]].

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When it's a choice between two people, one or both of them will often [[MoreExpendableThanYou encourage the hero to choose to save the other.]] This is also a good time for the villain to be GenreSavvy enough to put the hostages in separate {{Death Trap}}s with a timer that guarantees that he can only save one of them. If someone decides to choose for someone else, see MakingTheChoiceForYou. Many villains in this scenario are not above pulling a YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo on the character once the choice is made, just to [[KickTheDog be a complete jerk]].
10th Apr '17 9:25:24 AM LostInOblivion
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When it's a choice between two people, one or both of them will often [[MoreExpendableThanYou encourage the hero to choose to save the other.]] This is also a good time for the villain to be GenreSavvy enough to put the hostages in separate {{Death Trap}}s with a timer that guarantees that he can only save one of them. If someone decides to choose for someone else, see MakingTheChoiceForYou. Many villains in this scenario are not above pulling a YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo on the character once the choice is made, just to [[KickTheDog be a complete bastard]].

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When it's a choice between two people, one or both of them will often [[MoreExpendableThanYou encourage the hero to choose to save the other.]] This is also a good time for the villain to be GenreSavvy enough to put the hostages in separate {{Death Trap}}s with a timer that guarantees that he can only save one of them. If someone decides to choose for someone else, see MakingTheChoiceForYou. Many villains in this scenario are not above pulling a YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo on the character once the choice is made, just to [[KickTheDog be a complete bastard]].
jerk]].
11th Feb '17 9:52:40 PM CompletelyNormalGuy
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* This is analyzed in the webcomic Webcomic/CityOfReality. The idea is, if the hero is given the choice of saving the girl, or saving a busload of children, what kind of person could he be if he chose to save the girl, if it meant that the busload of children died instead? Que a shot of the hero holding the girl tightly, telling the girl how much he loved her... while they both watch the busload of children drown, the girl wearing an increasingly horrified expression.

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* This is analyzed in the webcomic Webcomic/CityOfReality. The idea is, if the hero is given the choice of saving the girl, or saving a busload of children, what kind of person could he be if he chose to save the girl, if it meant that the busload of children died instead? Que Cue a shot of the hero holding the girl tightly, telling the girl how much he loved her... while they both watch the busload of children drown, the girl wearing an increasingly horrified expression.
5th Feb '17 4:31:38 AM MoonByte
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** The Massachusetts Institute of Technology has now created a [[http://moralmachine.mit.edu/ online game]] called "Moral Machine" to analyze what the public deems as appropiate actions for a self-driving car. Currently (Feb 2017), the majority cares mostly about what saves more lives, does not care about whether or not to save themselves, cares a bit about upholding the law (running over jaywalking people), slightly favour saving females, prefer saving humans over animals, prefer young over old people, thin over fat people and "good" people (in the shape of doctors) over "bad" people (in the shape of bank robbers).
14th Jan '17 7:13:55 PM IlGreven
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** In fact, there are so many of these cards, the designers and players have a name for them: "punisher" cards.
23rd Dec '16 12:34:19 AM Theatre_Maven_3695
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** The real reason it's banned is because players usually use it not to get a card in their hand, but get them in the Graveyard. For example, the most notorious use of this card, was to use it to summon the incredibly powerful Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning, possibly on your first turn. You chose any two Light Monsters, any two Dark Monsters, and any other card. No matter which card your opponent chose, you'd have the requirements to summon Black Luster Soldier; the choice your opponent made [[MortonsFork did not matter in the least]]. And there were ''lots'' of similar combos that could be used with a similar strategy.
** This was used in a duel in the anime by Kaiba's adopted father. The five cards in question were the five pieces of Exodia, which he then used to summon [[EvilTwin Exodia Necros]], a particularly nasty card that is immune to various things depending on which part/s are in the graveyard. All five being in there, it was immune to damn-near everything.

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** The real reason it's banned is because players usually use it not to Another strategy doesn't get a card in their hand, but get them in the Graveyard. For example, the most notorious use of this card, card at one point was to use it to summon the incredibly powerful [[GameBreaker Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning, Beginning,]] possibly on your first turn. You chose any two Light Monsters, any two Dark Monsters, and any other card. No matter which card your opponent chose, you'd have the requirements to summon Black Luster Soldier; the choice your opponent made [[MortonsFork did not matter in the least]]. And there were ''lots'' of similar combos that could be used with a to achieve similar strategy.
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** This was used in a duel in the anime by Kaiba's adopted father. The five cards in question were the five pieces of Exodia, which he then used to summon [[EvilTwin Exodia Necros]], Necross]], a particularly nasty card that is immune to various things depending on which part/s are in the graveyard. All five being in there, it was immune to damn-near everything.
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