History Main / SadisticChoice

21st Aug '16 11:10:15 AM Bruxist
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** During the ''Judenjagd'', a Polish informant led an Order Police squad headed by Lieutenant Gnade to a bunker with nine Jews and one Pole. The Polish man had eloped to be there with his Jewish wife. Gnade offered to let him live, if he'd leave his wife to be shot with the others. He stayed. [[note]] Of course, Gnade had absolutely no intention of honouring his word: Gnade was a "110% Nazi" (in the words of one of his men) and a sadist, and standard policy was to kill everyone who helped 'bandits' (partisans) or Undesirables in any way. Gnade just wanted to see if he'd do it. [[/note]]

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** During the ''Judenjagd'', a Polish informant led an Order Police squad headed by Lieutenant Gnade to a bunker with nine Jews and one Pole. The Polish man had eloped to be there with his Jewish wife. Gnade offered to let him live, if he'd leave his wife to be shot with the others. He stayed. [[note]] Of course, Gnade had absolutely no intention of honouring his word: Gnade was a "110% Nazi" (in the words of one of his men) and a sadist, and standard policy was to kill everyone who helped 'bandits' (partisans) or Undesirables in any way. Gnade just wanted to see if he'd do it. Extra villainy points for "Gnade" meaning "mercy" in German.[[/note]]
28th Jul '16 3:08:56 AM Morgenthaler
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* Set up by [[AristocratsAreEvil Daimyo Kubota]] in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0590.html #590]], with much LampshadeHanging on [[GenreSavvy both]] [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy sides]]. [[XanatosGambit If that fails,]] [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0592.html he has another]] [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0593.html one prepared.]]

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* Set up by [[AristocratsAreEvil Daimyo Kubota]] in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0590.html #590]], with much LampshadeHanging on [[GenreSavvy both]] [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy both sides]]. [[XanatosGambit If that fails,]] [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0592.html he has another]] [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0593.html one prepared.]]
2nd Jun '16 12:41:56 PM mrluntishysterical
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27th May '16 7:07:16 AM hyphz
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** And this has become a real issue with the development of self-driving cars. A typical case is that a group of children jump out in front of such a car, such that the car could not stop in time to avoid hitting them. The car could instead swerve and hit a wall, in which case the driver would risk injury instead of the children. Done by a human driver it's a HeroicSacrifice; but as the programmer of the self-driving software for the car, whichever choice you make you are creating a KillerRobot.

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** And this has become a real issue with the development of self-driving cars. A typical case is that a group of children jump out in front of such a car, such that the car could not stop in time to avoid hitting them. The car could instead swerve and hit a wall, in which case the driver would risk injury instead of the children. Done by a human driver it's a HeroicSacrifice; but as the programmer of the self-driving software for the car, whichever choice you program the car to make you are creating a KillerRobot.
27th May '16 7:03:27 AM hyphz
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* A classic philosophical dilemma involved a train approaching a junction. If the points remain closed, the train will hit five people standing on the track and kill them. You have the ability to open the points to send the train onto another track, avoiding the people - but there is ''one'' person standing on that track. Which do you choose to have on your conscience: that five people died who you could have saved, or that one person died and you killed them?
** And this has become a real issue with the development of self-driving cars. A typical case is that a group of children jump out in front of such a car, such that the car could not stop in time to avoid hitting them. The car could instead swerve and hit a wall, in which case the driver would risk injury instead of the children. Done by a human driver it's a HeroicSacrifice; but as the programmer of the self-driving software for the car, whichever choice you make you are creating a KillerRobot.
26th May '16 12:24:08 PM mrluntishysterical
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* Some have presented President Harry S. Truman's decision to [[UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki use the atomic bombs]] as one of these, given the supposed dilemma of choosing between killing a couple hundred thousand Japanese or losing a similar number of Americans and killing an even larger number of Japanese. In his mind, and to most Allied citizens of the time, there was no question what the 'right' thing to do was. At the time, using the bombs to improve the efficiency of the Strategic Bombing campaign was not seen as a particularly horrible or unique decision. What Nina Tannenwald has called 'The Nuclear Tabboo' simply did not exist at that time, because it hadn't been invented yet (by self-centred Japanese and sympathetic foreigners).

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* Some have presented President Harry S. Truman's decision to [[UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki use the atomic bombs]] as one of these, given the supposed potential dilemma of choosing between killing a couple hundred thousand Japanese or losing a similar number of Americans and killing an even larger number of Japanese. In his mind, and to most Allied citizens of the time, there was no question what the 'right' thing to do was. At the time, using the bombs to improve the efficiency of the Strategic Bombing campaign was not seen as a particularly horrible or unique decision. What Nina Tannenwald has called 'The Nuclear Tabboo' simply did not exist at that time, because it hadn't been invented yet (by self-centred Japanese and sympathetic foreigners).
26th May '16 12:21:49 PM mrluntishysterical
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* Those who support it have presented Truman's decision to [[UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki use the atomic bombs]] as one of these, given the supposed dilemma of choosing between killing a couple hundred thousand foreigners or losing a similar number of Americans and killing an even larger number of foreigners. In his mind, and to most Allied citizens of the time, there was no question what the 'right' thing to do was. At the time, using the bombs to improve the efficiency of the Strategic Bombing campaign was not seen as a particularly horrible or unique decision. What Nina Tannenwald has called 'The Nuclear Tabboo' simply did not exist at that time, because it hadn't been invented yet (by self-centred Japanese and sympathetic foreigners).

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* Those who support it Some have presented President Harry S. Truman's decision to [[UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki use the atomic bombs]] as one of these, given the supposed dilemma of choosing between killing a couple hundred thousand foreigners Japanese or losing a similar number of Americans and killing an even larger number of foreigners.Japanese. In his mind, and to most Allied citizens of the time, there was no question what the 'right' thing to do was. At the time, using the bombs to improve the efficiency of the Strategic Bombing campaign was not seen as a particularly horrible or unique decision. What Nina Tannenwald has called 'The Nuclear Tabboo' simply did not exist at that time, because it hadn't been invented yet (by self-centred Japanese and sympathetic foreigners).
26th May '16 12:18:52 PM mrluntishysterical
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* Some have misleadingly presented Truman's decision to [[UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki use the atomic bombs]] as one of these, given the supposed dilemma of choosing between killing a couple hundred thousand foreigners or losing a similar number of Americans and killing an even larger number of foreigners. In his mind, and to most Allied citizens of the time, there was no question what the 'right' thing to do was. At the time, using the bombs to improve the efficiency of the Strategic Bombing campaign was not seen as a particularly horrible or unique decision. What Nina Tannenwald has called 'The Nuclear Tabboo' simply did not exist at that time, because it hadn't been invented yet (by self-centred Japanese and sympathetic foreigners).

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* Some Those who support it have misleadingly presented Truman's decision to [[UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki use the atomic bombs]] as one of these, given the supposed dilemma of choosing between killing a couple hundred thousand foreigners or losing a similar number of Americans and killing an even larger number of foreigners. In his mind, and to most Allied citizens of the time, there was no question what the 'right' thing to do was. At the time, using the bombs to improve the efficiency of the Strategic Bombing campaign was not seen as a particularly horrible or unique decision. What Nina Tannenwald has called 'The Nuclear Tabboo' simply did not exist at that time, because it hadn't been invented yet (by self-centred Japanese and sympathetic foreigners).
18th May '16 7:02:20 AM emeriin
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* WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic is faced with one in the climax of ''WebVideo/ToBoldlyFlee'': [[spoiler: Return to his own universe where everything's scripted but he has a purpose in life, or step into the real world where he has free will, for better or for worse. [[AuthorAvatar Doug Walker]] notes that if he chooses the latter, he will doom his fellow critics to destruction since that universe is centered around him. He chose to stay and absorb the plot hole to save his friends.]]

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is faced with one in the climax of ''WebVideo/ToBoldlyFlee'': [[spoiler: Return to his own universe where everything's scripted but he has a purpose in life, or step into the real world where he has free will, for better or for worse. [[AuthorAvatar Doug Walker]] notes that if he chooses the latter, he will doom his fellow critics to destruction since that universe is centered around him. He chose to stay and absorb the plot hole to save his friends.]]]]
** In the ''Film/ManOfSteel'', Zod threatens him that if he does like the movie he'll be tortured to death, and Joe warns that if he doesn't, the internet will hunt him down like an animal.
9th Apr '16 9:07:19 AM Dravencour
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* Cynical types in the American Politics claim the two-party system is essentially this.

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* Cynical types in the American Politics politics claim the two-party system is essentially this. this.
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