History Main / RunForTheBorder

29th Oct '17 10:21:01 AM MaxWest2
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* American criminals fleeing to countries without extradition treaties should be aware of the Ker-Frisbie Doctrine. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ker%E2%80%93Frisbie_doctrine This legal concept]] (named after two US Supreme Court decisions) held that it's perfectly legal to kidnap a fugitive from another country and drag them back to the USA to answer for their crimes. Doing this doesn't violate extradition or due process according to the courts...[[ParanoiaFuel just something to think about for anyone wanting to flee the USA]]. This is where {{bounty hunter}}s come in (which are only legal in the US and the Philippines too).

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* American criminals fleeing to countries without extradition treaties should be aware of the Ker-Frisbie Doctrine. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ker%E2%80%93Frisbie_doctrine org/wiki/Ker-Frisbie_doctrine This legal concept]] (named after two US Supreme Court decisions) held that it's perfectly legal to kidnap a fugitive from another country and drag them back to the USA to answer for their crimes. Doing this doesn't violate extradition or due process according to the courts...[[ParanoiaFuel just something to think about for anyone wanting to flee the USA]]. This is where {{bounty hunter}}s come in (which are only legal in the US and the Philippines too).


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* Played with regarding the nationality principle. Some believe that once they are beyond their country of residence, they are no longer subject to any of that country's laws; that is not so. Under the nationality principle, citizens or legal residents of a nation are still bound by their national laws even if they are beyond the legal borders. The United States has used this principle to require any of its citizens living abroad to pay taxes to the American government. Some nations have invoked this to prosecute its people who commit certain crimes abroad such as partaking in child sex tourism or bribery in foreign countries.
* Averted with universal jurisdiction. This legal concept states that any nation may punish any offender for their crimes, even if said crimes never took place in their jurisdiction or said offender has any connection with the nation in question. Universal jurisdiction is normally reserved for serious crimes such as piracy, war crimes, genocide and so on.
13th Aug '17 12:22:57 PM DaibhidC
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-->''Hell, no, son. Ain't gonna get the gun//
Seen a lotta things, and the've only just begun//
Cause the minute they speak Is the minute that I run//

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-->''Hell, no, son. Ain't gonna get the gun//
gun\\
Seen a lotta things, and the've they've only just begun//
begun\\
Cause the minute they speak Is is the minute that I run//run\\
14th Jun '17 7:53:11 PM Fireblood
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** With the new immigration laws passed by Arizona in 2010, there's been a lot of news hubbub about Mexican immigrants moving back (or at least out of state), along with lifelong legal residents of Hispanic descent who didn't feel like staying around and risk harassment.

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** With the new immigration laws passed by Arizona in 2010, there's been a lot of news hubbub about Mexican immigrants moving back (or at least out of state), along with lifelong legal residents of Hispanic descent who didn't feel like staying around and risk risking harassment.



** Another group caught in this situation were Spanish Republicans at the end of the civil war in 1939. Faced with being hunted down and brutally tortured or imprisoned by the new Nationalist government, many either fled to France or Mexico, with the remnants of the Republican army dumping their weapons at the French border. However, many were sent to concentration camps after the Fall of France, with some lucky Republicans joining the French Resistance.
* The northern free states in the US were this way for escaped slaves, until the Fugitive Slave Law (which allowed slave catchers to arrest escaped slaves in free states and transport them back down south) and the ''Dred Scott'' decision (which declared that slaves are not technically ''people'') effectively forced them to keep running all the way to Canada.

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** Another group caught in this situation were Spanish Republicans at the end of the civil war in 1939. Faced with being hunted down and brutally tortured or tortured, imprisoned or killed by the new Nationalist government, many either fled to France or Mexico, with the remnants of the Republican army dumping their weapons at the French border. However, many were sent to concentration camps after the Fall of France, with some lucky Republicans joining the French Resistance.
* The northern free states in the US were this way for escaped slaves, until the Fugitive Slave Law (which allowed slave catchers to arrest escaped slaves in free states and transport them back down south) and the ''Dred Scott'' decision (which declared that slaves are not technically ''people'') effectively forced them to keep running all the way to Canada.Canada, with many abolitionists helping them on the Underground Railroad, a network that helped fugitive slaves. Abolitionists also actively obstructed fugitive slaves from being sent back, sometimes by force.



* Faced with the choice between exile and death (either by firing squad after a botched trial or by Royalist mob), many of Napoleon's most prominent supporters during the Hundred Days chose exile after the Bourbons returned. The remaining Bourbons and their few core partisans found themselves forced into exile as well fifteen years later during the July Revolution.

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* Faced with the choice between exile and death (either by firing squad after a botched trial or by a Royalist mob), many of Napoleon's most prominent supporters during the Hundred Days chose exile after the Bourbons returned. The remaining Bourbons and their few core partisans found themselves forced into exile as well fifteen years later during the July Revolution. Before this, many Royalists and others targeted by the Revolutionary government fled France as well.
14th Jun '17 7:41:43 PM Fireblood
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* During UsefulNotes/TheTroubles, this was a favored strategy for members of the IRA/INLA organisations. The Partition border between the two Irelands is long, tortuous and impossible to seal. IRA members could perform an attack in the Six Counties and if not caught, would routinely flee over the border to safe houses until the heat died away. British forces could not officially follow and if caught on the wrong side, could provoke diplomatic protests from the Republic. [[note]] Republican sympathizers often moved border markings and deliberately repainted or re-established them well inside the Republic in an attempt to provoke border incursions and diplomatic protests. this sometimes suceeded in creating tension between the British and Irish governments,[[/note]] Irish soldiers patrolled the border on their side for the dual purpose of seeking to arrest rebels and preventing British forces from crossing. There are unconfirmed and officially denied stories of British Special Forces crossing the border ''anyway'' and catching IRA volunteers off-guard where they thought they were safe.
* American criminals fleeing to countries without extradition treaties should be aware of the Ker-Frisbie Doctrine. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ker%E2%80%93Frisbie_doctrine This legal concept]] (named after two US Supreme Court decisions) held that it's perfectly legal to kidnap a fugitive from another country and drag them back to the USA to answer for their crimes. Doing this doesn't violate extradition or due process according to the courts...[[ParanoiaFuel just something to think about for anyone wanting to flee the USA]].

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* During UsefulNotes/TheTroubles, this was a favored strategy for members of the IRA/INLA organisations. The Partition border between the two Irelands is long, tortuous and impossible to seal. IRA members could perform an attack in the Six Counties and if not caught, would routinely flee over the border to safe houses until the heat died away. British forces could not officially follow and if caught on the wrong side, could provoke diplomatic protests from the Republic. [[note]] Republican sympathizers often moved border markings and deliberately repainted or re-established them well inside the Republic in an attempt to provoke border incursions and diplomatic protests. this sometimes suceeded succeeded in creating tension between the British and Irish governments,[[/note]] governments.[[/note]] Irish soldiers patrolled the border on their side for the dual purpose of seeking to arrest rebels and preventing British forces from crossing. There are unconfirmed and officially denied stories of British Special Forces crossing the border ''anyway'' and catching IRA volunteers off-guard where they thought they were safe.
safe. Many IRA fugitives were also given safe haven in the Republic from extradition.
* American criminals fleeing to countries without extradition treaties should be aware of the Ker-Frisbie Doctrine. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ker%E2%80%93Frisbie_doctrine This legal concept]] (named after two US Supreme Court decisions) held that it's perfectly legal to kidnap a fugitive from another country and drag them back to the USA to answer for their crimes. Doing this doesn't violate extradition or due process according to the courts...[[ParanoiaFuel just something to think about for anyone wanting to flee the USA]]. This is where {{bounty hunter}}s come in (which are only legal in the US and the Philippines too).
14th Jun '17 7:30:59 PM Fireblood
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* During UsefulNotes/TheTroubles, this was a favoured strategy for members of the IRA/INLA organisations. The Partition border between the two Irelands is long, tortuous and impossible to seal. IRA members could perform an attack in the Six Counties and if not caught, would routinely flee over the border to safe houses until the heat died away. British forces could not officially follow and if caught on the wrong side, could provoke diplomatic protests from the Republic. [[note]] Republican sympatherisers often moved border markings and deliberately repainted or re-established them well inside the Republic in an attempt to provoke border incursions and diplomatic protests. this sometimes suceeded in creating tension between the British and Irish governments,[[/note]] Irish soldiers patrolled the border on their side for the dual purpose of seeking to arrest rebels and preventing British forces from crossing. There are unconfirmed and officially denied stories of British Special Forces crossing the border ''anyway'' and catching IRA volunteers off-guard where they thought they were safe.

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* During UsefulNotes/TheTroubles, this was a favoured favored strategy for members of the IRA/INLA organisations. The Partition border between the two Irelands is long, tortuous and impossible to seal. IRA members could perform an attack in the Six Counties and if not caught, would routinely flee over the border to safe houses until the heat died away. British forces could not officially follow and if caught on the wrong side, could provoke diplomatic protests from the Republic. [[note]] Republican sympatherisers sympathizers often moved border markings and deliberately repainted or re-established them well inside the Republic in an attempt to provoke border incursions and diplomatic protests. this sometimes suceeded in creating tension between the British and Irish governments,[[/note]] Irish soldiers patrolled the border on their side for the dual purpose of seeking to arrest rebels and preventing British forces from crossing. There are unconfirmed and officially denied stories of British Special Forces crossing the border ''anyway'' and catching IRA volunteers off-guard where they thought they were safe.
14th Jun '17 7:25:52 PM Fireblood
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* The reason why many American criminals (especially serial killers and murderers) escape to Mexico is because the Mexican Constitution forbids the deportation of people facing the death penalty in their home countries. That law was created during the UsefulNotes/ColdWar and during the time period when almost all Central and South America were controlled by military dictatorships, but the law doesn't have exceptions for criminals for democratically-elected countries (like the U.S), and while they can be deported back, they can't face the death penalty due to a treaty with the Mexican government.
** Ironically, this law ended biting the Mexican government in their ass thanks to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhenli_Ye_Gon Zhenli Ye Gon case]]: the main culprit, by law, ''cannot'' be stripped of his acquired Mexican nationality and deported back to China since he will be executed if he puts a foot there, but the Mexican government doesn't want him in the country; since the American law agencies also wanted him too, he was extradited to the U.S. instead.

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* The reason why many American criminals (especially serial killers and murderers) escape to Mexico is because the Mexican Constitution forbids the deportation of people facing the death penalty in their home countries. That law was created during the UsefulNotes/ColdWar and during the time period when almost all Central and South America were controlled by military dictatorships, but the law doesn't have exceptions for criminals for democratically-elected countries from democracies (like the U.S), and while they can be deported back, they can't face the death penalty due to a treaty with the Mexican government.
** Ironically, this law ended up biting the Mexican government in their ass thanks to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhenli_Ye_Gon Zhenli Ye Gon case]]: the main culprit, by law, ''cannot'' be stripped of his acquired Mexican nationality and deported back to China since he will be executed if he puts a foot there, but the Mexican government doesn't want him in the country; since the American law agencies also wanted him too, he was extradited to the U.S. instead.
14th Jun '17 7:14:42 PM Fireblood
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* ''Series/TheHandmaidsTale'': Offred and her family tried to flee across the border into Canada, but got caught.

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* ''Series/TheHandmaidsTale'': Offred and her family tried to flee across the border into Canada, but got caught. [[spoiler: Luke managed to get across later though, as does Moira.]]
30th May '17 8:43:40 AM TheWildWestPyro
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** Another group caught in this situation were Spanish Republicans at the end of the civil war in 1939. Faced with being hunted down and brutally tortured or imprisoned by the new Nationalist government, many either fled to France or Mexico, with the remnants of the Republican army dumping their weapons at the French border. However, many were sent to concentration camps after the Fall of France, with some lucky Republicans joining the French Resistance.
19th May '17 9:36:30 AM LongTallShorty64
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* In ''Film/{{Road House|1948}}'', Jefty forces Susie, Pete, and Lily to come up to his cabin near the Canadian border. He teases them that the border is very close, but he won’t let them get away. Stupidly, he gets plastered and gives Pete and Lily a real chance to run to the border.
15th May '17 7:21:06 PM nombretomado
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* During TheTroubles, this was a favoured strategy for members of the IRA/INLA organisations. The Partition border between the two Irelands is long, tortuous and impossible to seal. IRA members could perform an attack in the Six Counties and if not caught, would routinely flee over the border to safe houses until the heat died away. British forces could not officially follow and if caught on the wrong side, could provoke diplomatic protests from the Republic. [[note]] Republican sympatherisers often moved border markings and deliberately repainted or re-established them well inside the Republic in an attempt to provoke border incursions and diplomatic protests. this sometimes suceeded in creating tension between the British and Irish governments,[[/note]] Irish soldiers patrolled the border on their side for the dual purpose of seeking to arrest rebels and preventing British forces from crossing. There are unconfirmed and officially denied stories of British Special Forces crossing the border ''anyway'' and catching IRA volunteers off-guard where they thought they were safe.

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* During TheTroubles, UsefulNotes/TheTroubles, this was a favoured strategy for members of the IRA/INLA organisations. The Partition border between the two Irelands is long, tortuous and impossible to seal. IRA members could perform an attack in the Six Counties and if not caught, would routinely flee over the border to safe houses until the heat died away. British forces could not officially follow and if caught on the wrong side, could provoke diplomatic protests from the Republic. [[note]] Republican sympatherisers often moved border markings and deliberately repainted or re-established them well inside the Republic in an attempt to provoke border incursions and diplomatic protests. this sometimes suceeded in creating tension between the British and Irish governments,[[/note]] Irish soldiers patrolled the border on their side for the dual purpose of seeking to arrest rebels and preventing British forces from crossing. There are unconfirmed and officially denied stories of British Special Forces crossing the border ''anyway'' and catching IRA volunteers off-guard where they thought they were safe.
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