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15th Apr '18 7:38:02 PM NOYB
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'' is the TropeNamer. The Sith have the Rule of Two, where there can only be a Sith master and an apprentice - no more, no less - one to possess power and the other to desire it. The idea is that each Sith Lord teaches one apprentice until they are strong enough to destroy the master and take their place, at which point the apprentice will take on a student of his own, or until the master kills the apprentice and gets a new one. In this manner, each master not only ''becomes'' strong, but must ''stay'' that way to stay alive, and each student must become stronger than their master. Each generation of Sith is stronger than the last, because any weak link in the chain is dead. A master cannot have more than one apprentice, because they may team up to kill their master despite being individually weaker than him, then turn on each other and weaken the Sith Order. In short, ChronicBackstabbingDisorder as a way of life and a code of morality.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'' is the TropeNamer. The Sith have the Rule of Two, where there can only be a Sith master and an apprentice - no more, no less - one to possess power and the other to desire it. The idea is that each Sith Lord teaches one apprentice until they are strong enough to destroy the master and take their place, at which point the apprentice will take on a student of his own, or until the master kills the apprentice and gets a new one. In this manner, each master not only ''becomes'' strong, but must ''stay'' that way to stay alive, and each student must become stronger than their master. Each generation of Sith is stronger than the last, because any weak link in the chain is dead. A master cannot have more than one apprentice, because they may team up to kill their master despite being individually weaker than him, he or she, then turn on each other and weaken the Sith Order. In short, ChronicBackstabbingDisorder as a way of life and a code of morality.
20th Mar '18 11:28:29 AM Fireblood
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** Since ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', has canonized the Imperial Inquisition, they are Dark Side Force-sensitives employed by Darth Vader, but are immune to the Rule of Two because they are not Sith. They're purposely trained so as not to reach the Siths' power level as they would run the risk of violating the rule like Asajj Ventress did.

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** Since ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' has canonized the Imperial Inquisition, they are Dark Side Force-sensitives employed by Darth Vader, but are immune to the Rule of Two because they are not Sith. They're purposely trained so as not to reach the Siths' power level as they would run the risk of violating the rule like Asajj Ventress did.
16th Mar '18 10:59:42 PM ShorinBJ
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** Ultimately Darth Bane's philosophy, while it kept the Sith alive in secret for millenia, also resulted in the order's undoing, as the chain could be easily broken by a factor that Bane failed to take into account-[[EvilCannotComprehendGood the potential redemption of either the master or the apprentice]]. Darth Vader's RedemptionEqualsDeath and, in the old ExtendedUniverse, Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus' apprentice renouncing the Dark Side of the Force and the Sith shortly after the former's demise, pretty much spells the end for the Sith Order ''because'' of the Rule of Two. What's worse is that Bane really should have known better. The Sith Lord whose Holocron gave Bane the inspiration for the Rule of Two, Darth Revan, had also renounced the Dark Side, and Bane knew this.

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** Ultimately Darth Bane's philosophy, while it kept the Sith alive in secret for millenia, millennia, also resulted in the order's undoing, as the chain could be easily broken by a factor that Bane failed to take into account-[[EvilCannotComprehendGood the potential redemption of either the master or the apprentice]]. Darth Vader's RedemptionEqualsDeath and, in the old ExtendedUniverse, Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus' apprentice renouncing the Dark Side of the Force and the Sith shortly after the former's demise, pretty much spells the end for the Sith Order ''because'' of the Rule of Two. What's worse is that Bane really should have known better. The Sith Lord whose Holocron gave Bane the inspiration for the Rule of Two, Darth Revan, had also renounced the Dark Side, and Bane knew this.
6th Feb '18 1:59:57 AM Cronosonic
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** Ultimately Darth Bane's philosophy, while it kept the Sith alive in secret for millenia, also resulted in the order's undoing, as the chain could be easily broken by a factor that Bane failed to take into account-[[EvilCannotComprehendGood the potential redemption of either the master or the apprentice]]. Darth Vader's RedemptionEqualsDeath and Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus' apprentice renouncing the Dark Side of the Force and the Sith shortly after the former's demise pretty much spells the end for the Sith Order ''because'' of the Rule of Two. What's worse is that Bane really should have known better. The Sith Lord whose Holocron gave Bane the inspiration for the Rule of Two, Darth Revan, had also renounced the Dark Side, and Bane knew this.

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** Ultimately Darth Bane's philosophy, while it kept the Sith alive in secret for millenia, also resulted in the order's undoing, as the chain could be easily broken by a factor that Bane failed to take into account-[[EvilCannotComprehendGood the potential redemption of either the master or the apprentice]]. Darth Vader's RedemptionEqualsDeath and and, in the old ExtendedUniverse, Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus' apprentice renouncing the Dark Side of the Force and the Sith shortly after the former's demise demise, pretty much spells the end for the Sith Order ''because'' of the Rule of Two. What's worse is that Bane really should have known better. The Sith Lord whose Holocron gave Bane the inspiration for the Rule of Two, Darth Revan, had also renounced the Dark Side, and Bane knew this.this.
*** Film/TheLastJedi exposes another flaw in the Rule of Two related to the redemption example above - [[spoiler:a Sith apprentice killing his master but deciding to destroy the entire Sith doctrine out of some sort of principle. While Snoke was not a Sith lord, Kylo Ren still betrayed him, and comes to the realization that both Jedi and Sith doctrines are intrinsically flawed, and that the past should be let go of... By being destroyed completely.]]
22nd Jan '18 5:06:39 AM Gosicrystal
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Sometimes the BigBad gets bored doing everything himself. He'll get a [[TheDragon second in command, a lieutenant, or an apprentice]] to keep things interesting. This is the RuleOfTwo. There are two big bosses, and both have to be taken down.

It's usually understood that the two want to keep it that way. Never introduce a third, and quickly replace the other if they go down. Due to infighting or general ForTheEvulz culture, the BigBad may [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness decide to dispose]] of {{the Dragon}} himself and get a new one. Similarly {{the Dragon}} [[TheUsurper will overthrow]] the BigBad if the opportunity presents itself, and bring on a new Dragon of his own. The tension of this dynamic is that they rely on each other, but both know it's a race to see who will stab who in the back first.

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Sometimes the BigBad gets bored doing everything himself. He'll get a [[TheDragon second in command, a lieutenant, or an apprentice]] to keep things interesting. This is the RuleOfTwo.Rule of Two. There are two big bosses, and both have to be taken down.

It's usually understood that the two want to keep it that way. Never introduce a third, and quickly replace the other if they go down. Due to infighting or general ForTheEvulz culture, the BigBad may [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness decide to dispose]] of {{the Dragon}} himself and get a new one. Similarly {{the Dragon}} TheDragon will [[TheUsurper will overthrow]] the BigBad if the opportunity presents itself, and bring on a new Dragon of his own. The tension of this dynamic is that they rely on each other, but both know it's a race to see who will stab who in the back first.



* ''Franchise/StarWars'' is the TropeNamer. The Sith have the RuleOfTwo, where there can only be a Sith master and an apprentice - no more, no less - one to possess power and the other to desire it. The idea is that each Sith Lord teaches one apprentice until they are strong enough to destroy the master and take their place, at which point the apprentice will take on a student of his own, or until the master kills the apprentice and gets a new one. In this manner, each master not only ''becomes'' strong, but must ''stay'' that way to stay alive, and each student must become stronger than their master. Each generation of Sith is stronger than the last, because any weak link in the chain is dead. A master cannot have more than one apprentice, because they may team up to kill their master despite being individually weaker than him, then turn on each other and weaken the Sith Order. In short, ChronicBackstabbingDisorder as a way of life and a code of morality.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'' is the TropeNamer. The Sith have the RuleOfTwo, Rule of Two, where there can only be a Sith master and an apprentice - no more, no less - one to possess power and the other to desire it. The idea is that each Sith Lord teaches one apprentice until they are strong enough to destroy the master and take their place, at which point the apprentice will take on a student of his own, or until the master kills the apprentice and gets a new one. In this manner, each master not only ''becomes'' strong, but must ''stay'' that way to stay alive, and each student must become stronger than their master. Each generation of Sith is stronger than the last, because any weak link in the chain is dead. A master cannot have more than one apprentice, because they may team up to kill their master despite being individually weaker than him, then turn on each other and weaken the Sith Order. In short, ChronicBackstabbingDisorder as a way of life and a code of morality.



** Ultimately Darth Bane's philosophy, while it kept the Sith alive in secret for millenia, also resulted in the order's undoing, as the chain could be easily broken by a factor that Bane failed to take into account-[[EvilCannotComprehendGood the potential redemption of either the master or the apprentice]]. Darth Vader's RedemptionEqualsDeath and Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus' apprentice renouncing the Dark Side of the Force and the Sith shortly after the former's demise pretty much spells the end for the Sith Order ''because'' of the RuleOfTwo. What's worse is that Bane really should have known better. The Sith Lord whose Holocron gave Bane the inspiration for the Rule of Two, Darth Revan, had also renounced the Dark Side, and Bane knew this.

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** Ultimately Darth Bane's philosophy, while it kept the Sith alive in secret for millenia, also resulted in the order's undoing, as the chain could be easily broken by a factor that Bane failed to take into account-[[EvilCannotComprehendGood the potential redemption of either the master or the apprentice]]. Darth Vader's RedemptionEqualsDeath and Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus' apprentice renouncing the Dark Side of the Force and the Sith shortly after the former's demise pretty much spells the end for the Sith Order ''because'' of the RuleOfTwo.Rule of Two. What's worse is that Bane really should have known better. The Sith Lord whose Holocron gave Bane the inspiration for the Rule of Two, Darth Revan, had also renounced the Dark Side, and Bane knew this.
15th Feb '17 10:27:56 PM tdwally
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*** Palpatine, for example, deceived his own master into thinking that Darth Maul was simply an assassin, not a true apprentice. The one thing that didn't go according to plan was that Maul was defeated right after Palpatine disposed of his own master...though Palpatine [[XanatosSpeedChess made that work to his advantage]] by recruiting Dooku, who was better suited than Maul had been for the very public role needed in the next phase of the plan.

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*** Palpatine, Darth Tenebrous broke the rule by recruiting two apprentices ''and not telling them about each other''. After Darth Plagueis "took over", he was surprised by Darth Venamis, who had learned of him, was better at the use of the lightsaber and had been trained in Plagueis's style. [[spoiler: Plagueis was smarter, imprisoning Venamis and experimenting on him for example, years.]] Venamis compounded the issue by having several potential apprentices lined up himself, even before he had dealt with Tenebrous and Plagueis.
*** After claiming the mantle of Sith Lord from Tenebrous, Plagueis did away with the Rule of Two entirely, seeing no point in raising a successor when his experiments into immortality meant he would live forever. He recanted this to an extent when he met Palpatine and was so impressed with the young man's potential he felt compelled to train him. In his reckoning, though they were two Sith and had no intention of training any others, because the two were going to rule as equal partners (once Palpatine was fully trained) there was no need for a fight for dominance. That said, given he acted like Palpatine's superior even long after his apprentice had become quite powerful, it's clear this was something of a rationalization for him. Palpatine certainly thought so and while killing Plagueis lectured him on the arrogance he had to assume he would be somehow exempt from the constant Sith struggle for power.
*** Palpatine
deceived his own master Plagueis into thinking that Darth Maul was simply an assassin, not a true apprentice. The one thing that didn't go according to plan was that Maul was defeated right after Palpatine disposed of his own master...though Palpatine [[XanatosSpeedChess made that work to his advantage]] by recruiting Dooku, who was better suited than Maul had been for the very public role needed in the next phase of the plan.



*** Darth Tenebrous broke the rule by recruiting two apprentices ''and not telling them about each other''. After Darth Plagueis "took over", he was surprised by Darth Venamis, who had learned of him, was better at the use of the lightsaber and had been trained in Plagueis's style. [[spoiler: Plagueis was smarter, imprisoning Venamis and experimenting on him for years.]] It's possible that Venamis wasn't a "true Sith" though.
17th Jan '17 8:22:12 PM H2SO4
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** Since ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', has canonized the Imperial Inquisition, they are Dark Side Force-sensitives employed by Darth Vader, but are immune to the Rule of Two because they are not Sith.

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** Since ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', has canonized the Imperial Inquisition, they are Dark Side Force-sensitives employed by Darth Vader, but are immune to the Rule of Two because they are not Sith. They're purposely trained so as not to reach the Siths' power level as they would run the risk of violating the rule like Asajj Ventress did.
9th Jan '17 12:25:38 AM flodoris
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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' there's Kabuto and Orochimaru. And it should be noted that the Akatsuki only move in pairs. Then there were Zabuza and Haku.
** [[spoiler: Madara and Obito could be this due to current events.]]
** [[spoiler: Kaguya and Black Zetsu.]] Although the dynamic isn't really there since [[spoiler:Black Zetsu is the one calling the shots, as [[FlatCharacter Kaguya has absolutely no personality at all]].]]

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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' there's Kabuto and Orochimaru. And it should be noted that the Akatsuki only move in pairs. Then there were Zabuza and Haku.
** [[spoiler: [[spoiler:Madara and Obito, started like this but Madara and died shortly thereafter leaving all the work on Obito could be this due to current events.and when Madara revived, they became BigBadDuumvirate.]]
** [[spoiler: Kaguya [[spoiler:Kaguya and Black Zetsu.]] Zetsu. Although the dynamic isn't really there since [[spoiler:Black Zetsu [[DragonInChief Black Zetsu]] is the one calling the shots, as [[FlatCharacter Kaguya has absolutely no personality at all]].]]
7th Jan '17 5:31:31 PM Prometheus117
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*** Ventress herself had also begun to subvert this rule when she recruited a potential apprentice in the form of [[TheJuggernaut Savage Opress]], at least in part because she was beginning to suspect (rightly) Dooku was planning to betray her eventually, but sent him to Dooku under the guise of "training" as a second apprentice. In the end, Savage betrayed both of them and ran off to find his still-alive-but-not-quite-sane brother Maul, whom he became the ''true'' apprentice of. [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder As can be plainly seen, the Rule of Two at times was more a guideline than a rule]].

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*** After said betrayal, Ventress herself had also begun to subvert this rule when she recruited a potential her own apprentice in the form of [[TheJuggernaut Savage Opress]], at least in part because she was beginning to suspect (rightly) Opress]] with the intent of taking revenge on Dooku was planning to betray after her eventually, attempt to do so herself failed, but with the aid of [[TheArchmage Mother Talzin]] sent him to Dooku under the guise of "training" as a second apprentice. new apprentice due to exploiting [[BatmanGambit the paranoia he built up after the failed assassination attempt]]. In the end, however, Savage [[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal betrayed both of them after he got sick of their abuse]] and ran off to find his still-alive-but-not-quite-sane brother Maul, Maul with the aid of [[TheChessmaster Mother Talzin]], whom he became the ''true'' apprentice of. [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder As can be plainly seen, the Rule of Two at times was more a guideline than a rule]].
27th Dec '16 9:59:17 PM Prometheus117
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*** Ventress herself had also begun to subvert this rule when she recruited a potential apprentice in the form of [[TheJuggernaut Savage Opress]], at least in part because she was beginning to suspect (rightly) Dooku was planning to betray her eventually, but sent him to Dooku under the guise of "training" as a second apprentice. In the end, Savage betrayed both of them and ran off to find his still-alive-but-not-quite-sane brother Maul, whom he became the ''true'' apprentice of. [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder As can be plainly seen, the Rule of Two at times was more a guideline than a rule]].
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