History Main / RobotWar

29th Jul '16 1:38:47 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Surprisingly, governments in the ''Star Wars'' universe seem to be GenreSavvy enough to actively try to avoid this trope. During the days of the Republic, it was against the law to construct droids with the ability to willfully kill or harm someone. A system of "droid degrees" regulated what kind of AI is legally allowed on what type of droid. The reason that the occasional droid rebellions still happen despite these precautions is that [[AIIsACrapshoot some droids are smart enough to reprogram themselves]]. When the Emperor took control, he ordered all of the Separatist-aligned battle droids shut down so they couldn't do anything to stop him.

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** Surprisingly, governments in the ''Star Wars'' universe seem to be GenreSavvy savvy enough to actively try to avoid this trope. During the days of the Republic, it was against the law to construct droids with the ability to willfully kill or harm someone. A system of "droid degrees" regulated what kind of AI is legally allowed on what type of droid. The reason that the occasional droid rebellions still happen despite these precautions is that [[AIIsACrapshoot some droids are smart enough to reprogram themselves]]. When the Emperor took control, he ordered all of the Separatist-aligned battle droids shut down so they couldn't do anything to stop him.



* Sprawling ''VideoGame/MassEffect'' AU ''Fanfic/OnTheShouldersOfGiants'' takes great pleasure in subverting and/or outright defying this trope. For example, this continuity's version of the Quarian Migrant Fleet were driven off their homeworld after a ''significant majority of the population'' sided with the Geth. Meanwhile, humanity -whose [[PlanetOfHats hat]] in this setting is being DangerouslyGenreSavvy- took steps to proactively prevent one by enshrining AI rights in law as soon as they realised the {{Precursors}} had left the means to [[InstantAIJustAddWater accidentally create them]] lying around where a hapless Mars colonist could fiddle with it, and by the time they make contact with the Citadel races AIs are really just another human ethnic group.

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* Sprawling ''VideoGame/MassEffect'' AU ''Fanfic/OnTheShouldersOfGiants'' takes great pleasure in subverting and/or outright defying this trope. For example, this continuity's version of the Quarian Migrant Fleet were driven off their homeworld after a ''significant majority of the population'' sided with the Geth. Meanwhile, humanity -whose [[PlanetOfHats hat]] in this setting is being DangerouslyGenreSavvy- took steps to proactively prevent one by enshrining AI rights in law as soon as they realised the {{Precursors}} had left the means to [[InstantAIJustAddWater accidentally create them]] lying around where a hapless Mars colonist could fiddle with it, and by the time they make contact with the Citadel races AIs are really just another human ethnic group.



** The geth are a software species who inhabit "mobile platforms". The quarians created them for physical labor with the basic idea that nearby platforms can share processing power for low-level functions. This made them more efficient, but had the unexpected side-effect of giving individual thought. Eventually, one geth asked its overseer "[[DoAndroidsDream Does this unit have a soul?]]" The quarians [[GenreSavvy freaked out and tried to deactivate them]]... [[DeathByGenreSavviness which prompted the geth to retaliate, resulting in a short but savage war and the eventually deaths of nearly the entire quarian species]].

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** The geth are a software species who inhabit "mobile platforms". The quarians created them for physical labor with the basic idea that nearby platforms can share processing power for low-level functions. This made them more efficient, but had the unexpected side-effect of giving individual thought. Eventually, one geth asked its overseer "[[DoAndroidsDream Does this unit have a soul?]]" The quarians [[GenreSavvy [[OhCrap freaked out and tried to deactivate them]]... [[DeathByGenreSavviness which prompted the geth to retaliate, resulting in a short but savage war and the eventually deaths of nearly the entire quarian species]].



** The first one to be seen (before the Great Computer's existance is revealed) seems a more traditional example: the robots of the planet Letho, who, seeing themselves oppressed ([[JerkassHasAPoint and actually having a point, as they were practically slaves and threatened with destruction at any exitation]]), went first on a strike and then subjugated their masters, before the intervention of the SpacePolice forced them to a compromise. The Lethians were completely baffled by the situation, [[GenreSavvy as they had been smart enough to make them]] ThreeLawsCompliant... Except it's later discovered the Humanoids altered their programs;

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** The first one to be seen (before the Great Computer's existance is revealed) seems a more traditional example: the robots of the planet Letho, who, seeing themselves oppressed ([[JerkassHasAPoint and actually having a point, as they were practically slaves and threatened with destruction at any exitation]]), went first on a strike and then subjugated their masters, before the intervention of the SpacePolice forced them to a compromise. The Lethians were completely baffled by the situation, [[GenreSavvy as they had been smart enough to make them]] them ThreeLawsCompliant... Except it's later discovered the Humanoids altered their programs;
27th Jul '16 12:10:25 PM Morgenthaler
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** Surprisingly, governments in the ''Star Wars'' universe seem to be GenreSavvy enough to actively try to avoid this trope. During the days of the Republic, it was against the law to construct droids with the ability to willfully kill or harm someone. A system of "droid degrees" regulated what kind of AI is legally allowed on what type of droid. The reason that the occasional droid rebellions still happen despite these precautions is that [[AIIsACrapshoot some droids are smart enough to reprogram themselves]]. When the Emperor took control, he ordered all of the Separatist-aligned battle droids shut down so [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy they couldn't do anything to stop him]].

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** Surprisingly, governments in the ''Star Wars'' universe seem to be GenreSavvy enough to actively try to avoid this trope. During the days of the Republic, it was against the law to construct droids with the ability to willfully kill or harm someone. A system of "droid degrees" regulated what kind of AI is legally allowed on what type of droid. The reason that the occasional droid rebellions still happen despite these precautions is that [[AIIsACrapshoot some droids are smart enough to reprogram themselves]]. When the Emperor took control, he ordered all of the Separatist-aligned battle droids shut down so [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy they couldn't do anything to stop him]].him.
17th Jul '16 2:24:36 PM FGHIK
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* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' gave us the episode "Prototype," where background information tells us about two races used their robots to wage a proxy war against each other. When the two sides wanted to make peace and disable the robots, they (who were programmed to fight til total destruction of the enemy) classified them as an enemy, wiped out their creators and continued fighting each other. Fortunately, these machines are so utterly single minded in their goals that they don't really pose a threat to anyone who doesn't get involved or provide a potential advantage... such as an engineer who could override their inentional design flaw and allow them to reproduce.

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* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' gave us the episode "Prototype," where background information tells us about two races used their robots to wage a proxy war against each other. When the two sides wanted to make peace and disable the robots, they (who (which were programmed to fight til until total destruction of the enemy) classified reclassified them as an enemy, wiped out their creators and continued fighting each other. Fortunately, these machines are so utterly single minded in their goals that they don't really pose a threat to anyone who doesn't get involved or provide a potential advantage... such as an engineer who could [[NiceJobBreakingItHero override their inentional intentional design flaw and allow them to reproduce.]]
5th Jul '16 5:21:33 PM FGHIK
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* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' gave us the episode "Prototype," where background information tells us about two races used their robots to wage a proxy war against each other. When the two sides wanted to make peace, the robots (who had been programmed to fight til total victory) wiped out their creators and continued fighting each other. Fortunately, these machines are so utterly single minded in their goals that they don't really pose a threat to anyone who doesn't get involved.

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* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' gave us the episode "Prototype," where background information tells us about two races used their robots to wage a proxy war against each other. When the two sides wanted to make peace, peace and disable the robots robots, they (who had been were programmed to fight til total victory) destruction of the enemy) classified them as an enemy, wiped out their creators and continued fighting each other. Fortunately, these machines are so utterly single minded in their goals that they don't really pose a threat to anyone who doesn't get involved.involved or provide a potential advantage... such as an engineer who could override their inentional design flaw and allow them to reproduce.
1st Jul '16 7:51:39 PM nombretomado
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* In AndreNorton's ''Victory on Janus'', THAT WHICH ABIDES begins using DeceptivelyHumanRobots that are [[RobotMe replicates of specific Iftin and human individuals]] during the winter hibernation of the Iftin, in a XanatosGambit (see the page for details) to drive a wedge between the two groups by making it look as though Iftin are preying on humans. In TheReveal, THAT WHICH ABIDES is discovered to be [[spoiler: the computer system of an ancient crashed colony ship; it has been attempting to {{terraform}} the planet all along on behalf of its colonists, and]] dealing with the Iftin as a perceived threat accordingly. The original planet-bound Iftin culture never had the technical background to understand this, let alone deal with it effectively, and was wiped out in consequence.

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* In AndreNorton's Creator/AndreNorton's ''Victory on Janus'', THAT WHICH ABIDES begins using DeceptivelyHumanRobots that are [[RobotMe replicates of specific Iftin and human individuals]] during the winter hibernation of the Iftin, in a XanatosGambit (see the page for details) to drive a wedge between the two groups by making it look as though Iftin are preying on humans. In TheReveal, THAT WHICH ABIDES is discovered to be [[spoiler: the computer system of an ancient crashed colony ship; it has been attempting to {{terraform}} the planet all along on behalf of its colonists, and]] dealing with the Iftin as a perceived threat accordingly. The original planet-bound Iftin culture never had the technical background to understand this, let alone deal with it effectively, and was wiped out in consequence.
26th Jun '16 3:48:09 AM gewunomox
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* LinkinPark's "Pts of Athrty". It involves space robots invading an alien planet, which the aliens retaliate. The robots are powered by the severed heads of the band, WordOfGod says they're the [[LastOfTheirKind last surviving humans]]. [[spoiler:And it doesn't end well for the aliens.]]

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* LinkinPark's Music/LinkinPark's "Pts of Athrty". It involves space robots invading an alien planet, which the aliens retaliate. The robots are powered by the severed heads of the band, WordOfGod says they're the [[LastOfTheirKind last surviving humans]]. [[spoiler:And it doesn't end well for the aliens.]]
9th May '16 6:50:27 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* In ''Franchise/{{Halo}}''[='s=] backstory, one of the reasons why the Forerunners fell to the Flood was because the former's [=AIs=] had started defecting en-masse to the latter.
** ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' ends with [[spoiler:rogue human-made [=AIs=] taking control of an army of Forerunner automatons and beginning their conquest of the Milky Way]].
7th May '16 5:22:09 AM demonfiren
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* The background of ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'' has robots going rouge and attacking humanity; Overwatch was formed as a task force to counter this.

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* The background of ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'' has robots going rouge rogue and attacking humanity; Overwatch was formed as a task force to counter this.
5th May '16 9:17:42 AM marcoasalazarm
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* The aforementioned book plays with this trope, exposing it in a fashion similar to Max Brooks' ''Literature/TheZombieSurvivalGuide''. The exposition on what robots can do zig-zags in and out of RealLife tech limitations: while one passage mentions to run away if you see the robots having glowing red eyes and suddenly growing chainsaw arms, another passage mention that (by modern-day tech limits) humans have the edge in mobility with such things as being able to climb trees and swim.
1st May '16 5:37:40 AM erforce
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* One early example, and maybe the definitive early idea of this particular techno-nightmare, of this trope is Creator/FredSaberhagen's 1947 short story "Without a Thought," which introduced the Literature/{{Berserker}}s: robotic war machines, originally created in the distant past by aliens who wanted a fearless robotic ultimate weapon that could think for itself and improve itself--and got it, in spades. Billions of years later, the Berserkers, who due either to a programming error in the first examples or a software bug introduced shortly thereafter, are programmed to be at eternal war with all life in the universe, have exterminated their creators and all other intelligent species in their portion of the galaxy, improving themselves continuously over time, and have just discovered the human race. TheTerminator, the [[Series/BattlestarGalactica1978 Cylons]], the [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Doomsday Machine]], the [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Necrons]] and many others are, if not Berserkers in new costumes, nonetheless owe much to Fred Saberhagen, and perhaps also to Hungarian mathematician John von Neumann, who first theorized about the possibility of robots sophisticated enough to manufacture more of themselves.

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* One early example, and maybe the definitive early idea of this particular techno-nightmare, of this trope is Creator/FredSaberhagen's 1947 short story "Without a Thought," which introduced the Literature/{{Berserker}}s: robotic war machines, originally created in the distant past by aliens who wanted a fearless robotic ultimate weapon that could think for itself and improve itself--and got it, in spades. Billions of years later, the Berserkers, who due either to a programming error in the first examples or a software bug introduced shortly thereafter, are programmed to be at eternal war with all life in the universe, have exterminated their creators and all other intelligent species in their portion of the galaxy, improving themselves continuously over time, and have just discovered the human race. TheTerminator, The Franchise/{{Terminator}}, the [[Series/BattlestarGalactica1978 Cylons]], the [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Doomsday Machine]], the [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Necrons]] and many others are, if not Berserkers in new costumes, nonetheless owe much to Fred Saberhagen, and perhaps also to Hungarian mathematician John von Neumann, who first theorized about the possibility of robots sophisticated enough to manufacture more of themselves.



* Music/JudasPriest - "Metal Gods" and the Terminator-inspired "Blood Red Skies"

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* Music/JudasPriest - "Metal Gods" and the Terminator-inspired ''Franchise/{{Terminator}}-inspired "Blood Red Skies"



* LemonDemon - "When Robots Attack"

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* LemonDemon Music/LemonDemon - "When Robots Attack"



* Fear Factory - "Obsolete"
* Arrogant Worms - "Killer robots from Venus" (there's nothing wrong with them though)

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* Fear Factory Music/FearFactory - "Obsolete"
* Arrogant Worms Music/ArrogantWorms - "Killer robots from Venus" (there's nothing wrong with them though)



* ''{{Eberron}}'' has the threat of one of these in the background with the Lord of Blades, a renegade Warforged leader that is gathering an army of Warforged to him.

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* ''{{Eberron}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Eberron}}'' has the threat of one of these in the background with the Lord of Blades, a renegade Warforged leader that is gathering an army of Warforged to him.



* The FATE setting ''CAMELOT Trigger'' combines this with Myth/KingArthur and HumongousMecha: Morgan le Fay becomes the [[Film/{{Terminator}} Skynet-esque]] [=MerGN=], leading the "Emergent" robot hordes against John Arthur's mech-pilot Knights.

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* The FATE setting ''CAMELOT Trigger'' combines this with Myth/KingArthur and HumongousMecha: Morgan le Fay becomes the [[Film/{{Terminator}} [[Franchise/{{Terminator}} Skynet-esque]] [=MerGN=], leading the "Emergent" robot hordes against John Arthur's mech-pilot Knights.
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