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16th Apr '16 12:01:08 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* A rare villainous example in WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra - [[WellIntentionedExtremist Zaheer]], Book 3's BigBad, believes that his new airbending abilities are due to this trope. He takes them as a sign from the universe that his cause is a righteous one.

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* A rare villainous example in WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra - [[WellIntentionedExtremist Zaheer]], Book 3's BigBad, believes that his new airbending abilities are due to this trope. He had, apparently coincidentally, been studying Airbender lore for years beforehand; this meant that unlike the other new benders he was a master from the moment he gained the power. He takes them this as a sign from the universe that his cause is a righteous one.
28th Mar '16 7:17:50 AM MaxChaplin
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* Fiction as a whole often portrays governments as more powerful and/or uniformly [[BlackAndWhiteMorality good]] than they can realistically be. This is partly because of WishFulfillment.
5th Mar '16 7:54:59 PM nombretomado
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* Whenever CaptainAmerica throws [[{{Anvilicious}} His Mighty Shield]], you can see this written on it in six-inch letters. His NighInvulnerable {{Unobtainium}} shield is literally reinforced with American Righteous Might - not [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve Self-Righteous Might]]. [[EagleLand America is the Greatest Country in the World]] - but only when it ''[[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism maintains its idealism]].''

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* Whenever CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica throws [[{{Anvilicious}} His Mighty Shield]], you can see this written on it in six-inch letters. His NighInvulnerable {{Unobtainium}} shield is literally reinforced with American Righteous Might - not [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve Self-Righteous Might]]. [[EagleLand America is the Greatest Country in the World]] - but only when it ''[[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism maintains its idealism]].''
29th Nov '15 7:09:14 AM Prfnoff
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* A key element of TengenToppaGurrenLagann: Spiral Power is based on the ability of organic life to adapt to and ultimately overcome adversity. Though any strong emotion can produce it, more Spiral Power can be derived from [[ThePowerOfLove Love]], [[ThePowerOfFriendship Friendship]], and {{P|apaWolf}}rotective [[MamaBear Instinct]] than mere UnstoppableRage.
* Discussed several times in ''MedakaBox'', in the sense of deconstructing it. "I will lose because I was weak, not because I was wrong" is used by both heroes and villains at various points in the series, and [[BornWinner Born Loser]] Kumagawa has variations of "I am not wrong" as one of his {{Catch Phrase}}s.

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* A key element of TengenToppaGurrenLagann: ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'': Spiral Power is based on the ability of organic life to adapt to and ultimately overcome adversity. Though any strong emotion can produce it, more Spiral Power can be derived from [[ThePowerOfLove Love]], [[ThePowerOfFriendship Friendship]], and {{P|apaWolf}}rotective [[MamaBear Instinct]] than mere UnstoppableRage.
* Discussed several times in ''MedakaBox'', ''Manga/MedakaBox'', in the sense of deconstructing it. "I will lose because I was weak, not because I was wrong" is used by both heroes and villains at various points in the series, and [[BornWinner Born Loser]] Kumagawa has variations of "I am not wrong" as one of his {{Catch Phrase}}s.
21st Nov '15 12:09:25 PM nombretomado
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* Used a lot in ''RurouniKenshin'', especially during the Kyoto Arc, after which most of the surviving bad guys shrug and start [[CutLexLuthorACheck using their powers for good (or the government, anyway)]]. But also subverted with the Kenshin vs. Soujiro battle (where Soujiro's philosophy ''is'' Might Makes Right, if not necessarily the reverse); when Kenshin wins, he is quick to state that this does not mean he has the right philosophy either, just that he's a better swordsman.

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* Used a lot in ''RurouniKenshin'', ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'', especially during the Kyoto Arc, after which most of the surviving bad guys shrug and start [[CutLexLuthorACheck using their powers for good (or the government, anyway)]]. But also subverted with the Kenshin vs. Soujiro battle (where Soujiro's philosophy ''is'' Might Makes Right, if not necessarily the reverse); when Kenshin wins, he is quick to state that this does not mean he has the right philosophy either, just that he's a better swordsman.
9th Aug '15 2:03:21 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Pun aside, after Josianne tried her hand at being [[{{face}} the kind wrestler SAW and PGWA crowds would cheer for]] failing [[HeroWithAnFInGood horribly at it]] and losing title match to Tracy Taylor after being caught cheating, Genni Right took her on in a match to prove Josianne should stick to the rules because it was ultimately the best way to win matches, not because fans like it.[[/folder]]

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* Pun aside, after Josianne tried her hand at being [[{{face}} the kind wrestler SAW SAWmill and PGWA crowds would cheer for]] failing [[HeroWithAnFInGood horribly at it]] and losing title match to Tracy Taylor after being caught cheating, Genni Right took her on in a match to prove Josianne should stick to the rules because it was ultimately the best way to win matches, not because fans like it.[[/folder]]
9th Aug '15 1:28:04 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Pun aside, after Josianne tried her hand at being [[{{face}} the kind wrestler SAW and PGWA crowds would cheer for]] failing [[HeroWithAnFInGood horribly at it]] and losing title match to Tracy Taylor after being caught cheating, Genni Right took her on in a match to prove Josianne should stick to the rules because it was ultimately the best way to win matches, not because fans like it.[[/folder]]
24th Jul '15 12:33:43 AM Morgenthaler
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* In Film/TheAvengers, Phil Caulson alludes to this trope. He confidently tells Loki that he has no chance of winning, because evil has "no conviction".
** Tony echoes this when he points out that Loki is going to have to keep fighting even if his ploy to conquer the world succeeds. Something Loki doesn't seem to have considered.

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* In Film/TheAvengers, ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', Phil Caulson alludes to this trope. He confidently tells Loki that he has no chance of winning, because evil has "no conviction".
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conviction". Tony echoes this when he points out that Loki is going to have to keep fighting even if his ploy to conquer the world succeeds. Something Loki doesn't seem to have considered.



* In ''The WheelOfTime'', the White Cloaks have a Trial Beneath the Light, in which judgement is dispensed by the accuser and accused fighting to the death. The White Cloaks, being KnightTemplar, haven't used this particular trial in 400 years. And just to make sure the reader knows who's going to win: Eamon Valda, the accused, goes up to the Galad Damodred, the accuser, and mentions that Galad's stepmother was healthy when he last saw her and that "she was the best ride I ever had, and I hope to ride her again one day."

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* In ''The WheelOfTime'', ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', the White Cloaks have a Trial Beneath the Light, in which judgement is dispensed by the accuser and accused fighting to the death. The White Cloaks, being KnightTemplar, haven't used this particular trial in 400 years. And just to make sure the reader knows who's going to win: Eamon Valda, the accused, goes up to the Galad Damodred, the accuser, and mentions that Galad's stepmother was healthy when he last saw her and that "she was the best ride I ever had, and I hope to ride her again one day."



* The fantasy-medieval-Europe civilization of ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' has the "trial by combat" legend too. Most of the characters are too cynical to believe in it, but they're willing to play along with superstition when it's useful. Most 'trial by combat' so far has had "accurate" results, however, [[spoiler:when Tyrion is on trial for killing [[TheCaligula King Joffrey, his sociopathic nephew]], his champion faces off against the prosecution's champion, the {{card carrying villain}} Gregor Clegane. Clegane dies the slow, KarmicDeath of a poisoned spear â but manages to bludgeon Tyrion's champion before dying, sentencing an innocent man to death]].

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* The fantasy-medieval-Europe civilization of ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has the "trial by combat" legend too. Most of the characters are too cynical to believe in it, but they're willing to play along with superstition when it's useful. Most 'trial by combat' so far has had "accurate" results, however, [[spoiler:when Tyrion is on trial for killing [[TheCaligula King Joffrey, his sociopathic nephew]], his champion faces off against the prosecution's champion, the {{card carrying villain}} Gregor Clegane. Clegane dies the slow, KarmicDeath of a poisoned spear â but manages to bludgeon Tyrion's champion before dying, sentencing an innocent man to death]].



* In JohnMilton's ''ParadiseLost'', Abdiel laments that this is not so, and that Satan should be powerful after fallen.

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* In JohnMilton's ''ParadiseLost'', Creator/JohnMilton's ''Literature/ParadiseLost'', Abdiel laments that this is not so, and that Satan should be powerful after fallen.



* Virtually every installment of ''SuperSentai'', and a lot of ''PowerRangers'', use this, especially in the finale: The Rangers are overpowered, their base invaded, and the villains have all but won. But the Rangers believe so much in the rightness of their cause that they pull through anyway.

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* Virtually every installment of ''SuperSentai'', ''Franchise/SuperSentai'', and a lot of ''PowerRangers'', ''Franchise/PowerRangers'', use this, especially in the finale: The Rangers are overpowered, their base invaded, and the villains have all but won. But the Rangers believe so much in the rightness of their cause that they pull through anyway.
24th Jul '15 12:32:22 AM Morgenthaler
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* KingArthur spent the majority of his reign trying to dispel the idea that MightMakesRight and implement a legal system where RightMakesMight. Unfortunately, [[BastardBastard Mordred]] used this against Guinevere and Lancelot. KingArthur was forced to [[SadisticChoice choose between]] the woman he loved and the system he had spent his life working on for the good of his people. If Arthur had abandoned his legal program, Lancelot could have taken Trial By Combat to avoid the charges but in doing so removed any support by both commoners and nobles for his plan, while the RightMakesMight would remove any advantage Lancelot or Guinevere had, but would prove his system was equal and truthful. In the end, he [[TearJerker stuck with his ideal]], and his new laws sentenced Guinevere to burn at the stake, which caused Lancelot to rebel, which signaled [[ItWasHisSled the end of Camelot]].
* This is a constant theme in Egyptian Mythology, resulting in nearly universally happy endings. The good guys (champions of order, justice, goodness, the gods, and Egypt) always triumph over the bad guys (fighting for rebellion, chaos, injustice, and anarchy) every time. Even when gods do things [[ValuesDissonance modern readers may object to]], it's always depicted as unambiguously the right and just action, not because MightMakesRight, but because the gods (such as Re and Amun) are always good and always want what's best for the world. They always ensure the triumph of good, just mortals over bad, chaotic ones. Goodness, cosmic order, social order, justice, and monarchy are inextricably linked together as the concept/goddess of Ma'et, and it/she needs to be firing on all cylinders to prevent the sea of chaos from dissolving the whole universe. Thus, even violently putting down a rebellion against the Egyptian empire is supposed to be important for ensuring the stability of the cosmos. (Your enlightened conquerors obviously know what's best for you...)

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* KingArthur Myth/KingArthur spent the majority of his reign trying to dispel the idea that MightMakesRight and implement a legal system where RightMakesMight. Unfortunately, [[BastardBastard Mordred]] used this against Guinevere and Lancelot. KingArthur was forced to [[SadisticChoice choose between]] the woman he loved and the system he had spent his life working on for the good of his people. If Arthur had abandoned his legal program, Lancelot could have taken Trial By Combat to avoid the charges but in doing so removed any support by both commoners and nobles for his plan, while the RightMakesMight would remove any advantage Lancelot or Guinevere had, but would prove his system was equal and truthful. In the end, he [[TearJerker stuck with his ideal]], and his new laws sentenced Guinevere to burn at the stake, which caused Lancelot to rebel, which signaled [[ItWasHisSled the end of Camelot]].
* This is a constant theme in Egyptian Mythology, Myth/EgyptianMythology, resulting in nearly universally happy endings. The good guys (champions of order, justice, goodness, the gods, and Egypt) always triumph over the bad guys (fighting for rebellion, chaos, injustice, and anarchy) every time. Even when gods do things [[ValuesDissonance modern readers may object to]], it's always depicted as unambiguously the right and just action, not because MightMakesRight, but because the gods (such as Re and Amun) are always good and always want what's best for the world. They always ensure the triumph of good, just mortals over bad, chaotic ones. Goodness, cosmic order, social order, justice, and monarchy are inextricably linked together as the concept/goddess of Ma'et, and it/she needs to be firing on all cylinders to prevent the sea of chaos from dissolving the whole universe. Thus, even violently putting down a rebellion against the Egyptian empire is supposed to be important for ensuring the stability of the cosmos. (Your enlightened conquerors obviously know what's best for you...)



* TheKoran, Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 76:

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* TheKoran, Literature/TheKoran, Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 76:



* In TheMahabharata a servant of Dritharashtra given the power to report all the events of the war to the blind king tells him that even though the Kauravas have a much larger army with more skilled warriors, the Pandavas' victory is inevitable because they are in the right. For the same reason, Arjuna defeats Karna despite being less skilled than him since Krishna is on his side. Even then, Karna's charity protects him from Arjuna's arrows until their karma was used up.

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* In TheMahabharata Literature/TheMahabharata a servant of Dritharashtra given the power to report all the events of the war to the blind king tells him that even though the Kauravas have a much larger army with more skilled warriors, the Pandavas' victory is inevitable because they are in the right. For the same reason, Arjuna defeats Karna despite being less skilled than him since Krishna is on his side. Even then, Karna's charity protects him from Arjuna's arrows until their karma was used up.
16th Jun '15 8:59:35 AM Talisguy
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* A rare villainous example in TheLegendOfKorra - [[WellIntentionedExtremist Zaheer]], Book 3's BigBad, believes that his new airbending abilities are due to this trope. He takes them as a sign from the universe that his cause is a righteous one.

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* A rare villainous example in TheLegendOfKorra WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra - [[WellIntentionedExtremist Zaheer]], Book 3's BigBad, believes that his new airbending abilities are due to this trope. He takes them as a sign from the universe that his cause is a righteous one.
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