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* ''Series/TheDefenders2017'': Matt, Jessica, Luke and Danny don't exactly start working together right away. They quite frequently butt heads due to conflicting personalities.
* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': A lot of the drama that culminated in Nelson & Murdock breaking up at the end of season 2 would've been avoided if Matt had just told Karen and Foggy right away about Elektra being back in town rather than keep her a secret from them. If he had, Foggy and Karen likely could've talked him out of several date night fights with ninjas and made Frank Castle's trial less of a disaster. By not telling them, Foggy ends up being blindsided when Elektra sabotages their key witness in Frank's trial, and Karen is led to think Matt is cheating on her when she finds a wounded Elektra recovering in his bed.
24th Sep '17 2:49:48 PM nombretomado
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%%** An episode of ''{{Benson}}'' did the same.
* ''{{Spooks}}'' plays with this in the last episode of Season 7 in particular. Section D are trying to stop a Russian nuclear bomb in London, but the FSB are hunting them through the streets. Harry realises the local FSB office probably doesn't have clearance to know about the bomb, since they'd all be killed in the blast. [[spoiler:Once he tells them what's going on, they join forces and the FSB take out the bomb carrier so that the weapon can be defused.]]

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%%** An episode of ''{{Benson}}'' ''Series/{{Benson}}'' did the same.
* ''{{Spooks}}'' ''Series/{{Spooks}}'' plays with this in the last episode of Season 7 in particular. Section D are trying to stop a Russian nuclear bomb in London, but the FSB are hunting them through the streets. Harry realises the local FSB office probably doesn't have clearance to know about the bomb, since they'd all be killed in the blast. [[spoiler:Once he tells them what's going on, they join forces and the FSB take out the bomb carrier so that the weapon can be defused.]]
23rd Sep '17 10:28:55 AM nombretomado
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* Mentioned by name in the case of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavius_Aetius Flavius Aetius,]] a Roman general most famous for his victory over AttilaTheHun. After Aetius' own emperor personally assassinated him (the emperor had been persuaded by two of Aetius' rivals that the general had threatening dynastic ambitions,) a member of the court told the emperor "[[ServileSnarker I am ignorant, sir, of your motives or provocations; I only know that you have acted like a man who has cut off his right hand with his left.]]" [[spoiler:He was absolutely right; two of the conspirators (one of whom was the emperor himself!) were murdered by the third in revenge for them backing out of their side of the bargain. Not only that, but the murders happened while the emperor was surrounded by soldiers...[[LaserGuidedKarma who had been faithful followers of Aetius, and didn't lift a finger while he was being stabbed to death.]]]]

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* Mentioned by name in the case of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavius_Aetius Flavius Aetius,]] a Roman general most famous for his victory over AttilaTheHun.UsefulNotes/AttilaTheHun. After Aetius' own emperor personally assassinated him (the emperor had been persuaded by two of Aetius' rivals that the general had threatening dynastic ambitions,) a member of the court told the emperor "[[ServileSnarker I am ignorant, sir, of your motives or provocations; I only know that you have acted like a man who has cut off his right hand with his left.]]" [[spoiler:He was absolutely right; two of the conspirators (one of whom was the emperor himself!) were murdered by the third in revenge for them backing out of their side of the bargain. Not only that, but the murders happened while the emperor was surrounded by soldiers...[[LaserGuidedKarma who had been faithful followers of Aetius, and didn't lift a finger while he was being stabbed to death.]]]]
11th Sep '17 9:57:13 AM GrammarNavi
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* Can happen in split judiciaries: [[TheCommonLaw Common Law-Equity]] in [[BritishCourts Britain]] - see ''Literature/BleakHouse'', [[UsefulNotes/AmericanCourts Federal-States]] in TheUnitedStates or [[UsefulNotes/FrenchCourts Ordinary-Administrative]] in France:

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* Can happen in split judiciaries: [[TheCommonLaw Common Law-Equity]] in [[BritishCourts [[UsefulNotes/BritishCourts Britain]] - see ''Literature/BleakHouse'', [[UsefulNotes/AmericanCourts Federal-States]] in TheUnitedStates UsefulNotes/TheUnitedStates or [[UsefulNotes/FrenchCourts Ordinary-Administrative]] in France:
9th Sep '17 2:27:25 PM nombretomado
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* Can happen in split judiciaries: [[TheCommonLaw Common Law-Equity]] in [[BritishCourts Britain]] - see ''Literature/BleakHouse'', [[AmericanCourts Federal-States]] in TheUnitedStates or [[UsefulNotes/FrenchCourts Ordinary-Administrative]] in France:

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* Can happen in split judiciaries: [[TheCommonLaw Common Law-Equity]] in [[BritishCourts Britain]] - see ''Literature/BleakHouse'', [[AmericanCourts [[UsefulNotes/AmericanCourts Federal-States]] in TheUnitedStates or [[UsefulNotes/FrenchCourts Ordinary-Administrative]] in France:
5th Sep '17 5:59:20 AM UchuuFlamenco
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* ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'': An old Scrooge McDuck story, where the entire plotline focuses on him fiercely competing with another company in some specific area (ultimately, the object [[MacGuffin was unimportant]]), spending millions on R&D and commercials in an attempt to increase his market-shares, and yet, the competitor kept coming out ahead. Finally, just when he's collapsing in tears, one of his sub-managers comes in to deliver good news: One of the corporations he owns has delivered a smashing financial report, having seized most of the market... in the same equipment, of course. Meaning he's wasted millions competing with himself.

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* ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'': An old Scrooge McDuck [=McDuck=] story, where the entire plotline focuses on him fiercely competing with another company in some specific area (ultimately, the object [[MacGuffin was unimportant]]), spending millions on R&D and commercials in an attempt to increase his market-shares, and yet, the competitor kept coming out ahead. Finally, just when he's collapsing in tears, one of his sub-managers comes in to deliver good news: One of the corporations he owns has delivered a smashing financial report, having seized most of the market... in the same equipment, of course. Meaning he's wasted millions competing with himself.
1st Aug '17 9:47:25 AM xcountryguy
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* The final showdown of the third ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' movie. Both [[spoiler: Shinji/Kaworu]] and [[spoiler: Asuka/Mari]] were actually trying to save the world. But the first faction was given wrong intel, believing that grabbing two certain [[UnholyHolySword artifacts]] would return the post-apocalyptic Wasteland they live in to [[ResetButton a habitable state]], when all it will actually do is to devastate the earth for good. [[spoiler: [[TragicHero Shinji]] ]], greatly agonizing about having to fight a former comrade, even tried to talk and explain, but [[spoiler:Asuka]], probably believing that he was willingly working for the villains [[spoiler:not an unreasonable guess given earlier events]], just charges him with a glaive to try and stop him and arrest him, putting him in a [[DespairEventHorizon hopeless situation]] where he'd disregard the vague warnings of [[spoiler: Kaworu]] (who'd noticed something was off), and pull the doomsday devices.

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* The final showdown of the third ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' movie. Both [[spoiler: Shinji/Kaworu]] [[spoiler:Shinji/Kaworu]] and [[spoiler: Asuka/Mari]] [[spoiler:Asuka/Mari]] were actually trying to save the world. But the first faction was given wrong intel, believing that grabbing two certain [[UnholyHolySword artifacts]] would return the post-apocalyptic Wasteland they live in to [[ResetButton a habitable state]], when all it will actually do is to devastate the earth for good. [[spoiler: [[TragicHero [[spoiler:[[TragicHero Shinji]] ]], greatly agonizing about having to fight a former comrade, even tried to talk and explain, but [[spoiler:Asuka]], probably believing that he was willingly working for the villains [[spoiler:not an unreasonable guess given earlier events]], just charges him with a glaive to try and stop him and arrest him, putting him in a [[DespairEventHorizon hopeless situation]] where he'd disregard the vague warnings of [[spoiler: Kaworu]] [[spoiler:Kaworu]] (who'd noticed something was off), and pull the doomsday devices.



** It only gets ''worse'' as the second Manticore/Haven war could have been averted entirely. [[spoiler: Granted we now know that most of the communication failures, both inside the Republic's government, between Manticore's allies, and between Manticore and Heaven themselves are all part of a [[ThePlan plan]] to that exact purpose.]]

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** It only gets ''worse'' as the second Manticore/Haven war could have been averted entirely. [[spoiler: Granted [[spoiler:Granted we now know that most of the communication failures, both inside the Republic's government, between Manticore's allies, and between Manticore and Heaven themselves are all part of a [[ThePlan plan]] to that exact purpose.]]



* From Creator/WilliamGibson's ''Literature/CountZero'', Josef Virek mentions in his first appearance that he's so wealthy that from time to time aspects of his wealth war with one another. [[spoiler: Kind of foreshadowing that most of the cast is working for him to some extent.]]

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* From Creator/WilliamGibson's ''Literature/CountZero'', Josef Virek mentions in his first appearance that he's so wealthy that from time to time aspects of his wealth war with one another. [[spoiler: Kind [[spoiler:Kind of foreshadowing that most of the cast is working for him to some extent.]]



** In ''Series/KamenRiderKabuto,'' the HeroesRUs organization has some highly shady higher-ups that our heroes and their ReasonableAuthorityFigure don't realize they're fighting, though the viewer does. And it turns out ''their'' allies aren't on the level. ''Then'' it turns out that [[spoiler: the non-shady side of ZECT is unknowingly working for the Natives, that is, the non-shady members of the monster race known as the Worms. But one of them is in fact ''very'' shady and has his own plan different from that of anybody else.]] In other words, it's ZECT versus ZECT from start to finish, Worm vs. Worm with the introduction of the Natives, ''and'' Native Worm vs. Native Worm with the revelation of [[spoiler: that hidden scheme revealed near the end.]] On top of that, ZECT has a "with us or against us" policy, and not all Riders are working for ZECT, so it's Rider vs. Rider more often than in any other series other than ''Series/KamenRiderRyuki'' and its ''Franchise/{{Highlander}}''-like [[ThereCanBeOnlyOne situation]] despite no Rider wanting the Worms to exterminate and replace humanity.
*** Even the NonSerialMovie manages to pit ZECT against itself twice over: There's ZECT vs. Neo-ZECT (former ZECT members who want to create an organization that's like ZECT minus the douchebaggery) and then ZECT vs. [[spoiler: the higher-up who wants the Worms to win because they store the memories of the humans they replace - he believes this is the only way for something of humanity to survive the post-apocalyptic world that occurred in the movie timeline ForWantOfANail.]]

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** In ''Series/KamenRiderKabuto,'' the HeroesRUs organization has some highly shady higher-ups that our heroes and their ReasonableAuthorityFigure don't realize they're fighting, though the viewer does. And it turns out ''their'' allies aren't on the level. ''Then'' it turns out that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the non-shady side of ZECT is unknowingly working for the Natives, that is, the non-shady members of the monster race known as the Worms. But one of them is in fact ''very'' shady and has his own plan different from that of anybody else.]] In other words, it's ZECT versus ZECT from start to finish, Worm vs. Worm with the introduction of the Natives, ''and'' Native Worm vs. Native Worm with the revelation of [[spoiler: that [[spoiler:that hidden scheme revealed near the end.]] On top of that, ZECT has a "with us or against us" policy, and not all Riders are working for ZECT, so it's Rider vs. Rider more often than in any other series other than ''Series/KamenRiderRyuki'' and its ''Franchise/{{Highlander}}''-like [[ThereCanBeOnlyOne situation]] despite no Rider wanting the Worms to exterminate and replace humanity.
*** Even the NonSerialMovie manages to pit ZECT against itself twice over: There's ZECT vs. Neo-ZECT (former ZECT members who want to create an organization that's like ZECT minus the douchebaggery) and then ZECT vs. [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the higher-up who wants the Worms to win because they store the memories of the humans they replace - he believes this is the only way for something of humanity to survive the post-apocalyptic world that occurred in the movie timeline ForWantOfANail.]]



* ''{{Spooks}}'' plays with this in the last episode of Season 7 in particular. Section D are trying to stop a Russian nuclear bomb in London, but the FSB are hunting them through the streets. Harry realises the local FSB office probably doesn't have clearance to know about the bomb, since they'd all be killed in the blast. [[spoiler: Once he tells them what's going on, they join forces and the FSB take out the bomb carrier so that the weapon can be defused.]]

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* ''{{Spooks}}'' plays with this in the last episode of Season 7 in particular. Section D are trying to stop a Russian nuclear bomb in London, but the FSB are hunting them through the streets. Harry realises the local FSB office probably doesn't have clearance to know about the bomb, since they'd all be killed in the blast. [[spoiler: Once [[spoiler:Once he tells them what's going on, they join forces and the FSB take out the bomb carrier so that the weapon can be defused.]]



* In season 4 of ''Series/SonsOfAnarchy'' the FBI, ATF and Justice Department are all working together to bring down the Sons who have allied themselves with a dangerous Mexican drug cartel. They do not know that [[spoiler: the cartel leaders are actually CIA operatives who are using the Son's IRA connections to gain enough influence in Mexico's drug organizations to avert a possible Mexican civil war.]]

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* In season 4 of ''Series/SonsOfAnarchy'' the FBI, ATF and Justice Department are all working together to bring down the Sons who have allied themselves with a dangerous Mexican drug cartel. They do not know that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the cartel leaders are actually CIA operatives who are using the Son's IRA connections to gain enough influence in Mexico's drug organizations to avert a possible Mexican civil war.]]



* ''VideoGame/DiabloIII'' has Tyrael commenting on how Diablo and his fellow Lords of Hell could have easily destroyed the High Heavens if they had stopped backstabbing and fighting each other in a struggle for power over the Burning Hells. [[spoiler: It turns out Tyrael's right; when they are all united as The Prime Evil in that same game, the Heavens are almost immediately overrun. The only reason Diablo fails is the nephalem arriving in the nick of time to defeat Diablo before it can corrupt the Crystal Arch.]]
* ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn]]'' has a lot of this. [[spoiler: two nations are bound by a blood pact which forces them to work for the bad guys and apparently they can't even let the good guys (their former war buddies) know about it, even if they [[http://www.serenesforest.net/fe10/special2.html converse on the battlefield]]. Depending on the exact nature of the blood pacts though, most of that bloodshed probably would have had to happen even with good communication.]]

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* ''VideoGame/DiabloIII'' has Tyrael commenting on how Diablo and his fellow Lords of Hell could have easily destroyed the High Heavens if they had stopped backstabbing and fighting each other in a struggle for power over the Burning Hells. [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It turns out Tyrael's right; when they are all united as The Prime Evil in that same game, the Heavens are almost immediately overrun. The only reason Diablo fails is the nephalem arriving in the nick of time to defeat Diablo before it can corrupt the Crystal Arch.]]
* ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn]]'' has a lot of this. [[spoiler: two [[spoiler:two nations are bound by a blood pact which forces them to work for the bad guys and apparently they can't even let the good guys (their former war buddies) know about it, even if they [[http://www.serenesforest.net/fe10/special2.html converse on the battlefield]]. Depending on the exact nature of the blood pacts though, most of that bloodshed probably would have had to happen even with good communication.]]



* In ''VisualNovel/FatalHearts'', The two groups are old enemies, but they have essentially the same goal in the course of the story. However [[spoiler: most endings have one or both groups being destroyed in the end. Only one actually has the two groups come together in a peace talk of sorts.]]

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* In ''VisualNovel/FatalHearts'', The two groups are old enemies, but they have essentially the same goal in the course of the story. However [[spoiler: most [[spoiler:most endings have one or both groups being destroyed in the end. Only one actually has the two groups come together in a peace talk of sorts.]]



* Due to paranoia, many of the assassins in Hephaestus in ''VideoGame/{{Bioshock|1}}'' thought the others were snitches or rats. A notable example is [[spoiler: Kyburz, one of the assassins, turning in Anya Andersdotter who was asking questions so she could get past Ryan's defences.]]

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* Due to paranoia, many of the assassins in Hephaestus in ''VideoGame/{{Bioshock|1}}'' thought the others were snitches or rats. A notable example is [[spoiler: Kyburz, [[spoiler:Kyburz, one of the assassins, turning in Anya Andersdotter who was asking questions so she could get past Ryan's defences.]]



* ''WesternAnimation/SherlockHolmesInTheTwentySecondCentury'' has "The Case Of The Man With The Twisted Lip," where Holmes, investigating an apparent murder, comes across a beggar with a torn lip who he thinks is suspect in the case. [[spoiler: As per the original, he's right to be suspicious and try to apprehend him--turns out the man is actually the supposed victim. It gets weirder. The now-beggar is actually an undercover British Intelligence agent who had faked his death because his former identity was found out when he infiltrated a criminal organization. Then, British Intelligence shows up to take him away... only the men that turn up are ''fake'' British Intelligence agents who want to wipe his memory and ensure that the organization's secrets are lost. The real agent is recused, however, and he admits he took Holmes for a criminal trying to silence him and fled instead of accepting Holmes' help, which would have gotten him back to safety sooner.]] New Scotland Yard was never told what was going on by their higher-ups and it very nearly led to a severe loss for them, but Holmes and Lestrade prove crafty enough to figure it out.

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* ''WesternAnimation/SherlockHolmesInTheTwentySecondCentury'' has "The Case Of The Man With The Twisted Lip," where Holmes, investigating an apparent murder, comes across a beggar with a torn lip who he thinks is suspect in the case. [[spoiler: As [[spoiler:As per the original, he's right to be suspicious and try to apprehend him--turns out the man is actually the supposed victim. It gets weirder. The now-beggar is actually an undercover British Intelligence agent who had faked his death because his former identity was found out when he infiltrated a criminal organization. Then, British Intelligence shows up to take him away... only the men that turn up are ''fake'' British Intelligence agents who want to wipe his memory and ensure that the organization's secrets are lost. The real agent is recused, however, and he admits he took Holmes for a criminal trying to silence him and fled instead of accepting Holmes' help, which would have gotten him back to safety sooner.]] New Scotland Yard was never told what was going on by their higher-ups and it very nearly led to a severe loss for them, but Holmes and Lestrade prove crafty enough to figure it out.



* Mentioned by name in the case of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavius_Aetius Flavius Aetius,]] a Roman general most famous for his victory over AttilaTheHun. After Aetius' own emperor personally assassinated him (the emperor had been persuaded by two of Aetius' rivals that the general had threatening dynastic ambitions,) a member of the court told the emperor "[[ServileSnarker I am ignorant, sir, of your motives or provocations; I only know that you have acted like a man who has cut off his right hand with his left.]]" [[spoiler: He was absolutely right; two of the conspirators (one of whom was the emperor himself!) were murdered by the third in revenge for them backing out of their side of the bargain. Not only that, but the murders happened while the emperor was surrounded by soldiers...[[LaserGuidedKarma who had been faithful followers of Aetius, and didn't lift a finger while he was being stabbed to death.]]]]

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* Mentioned by name in the case of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavius_Aetius Flavius Aetius,]] a Roman general most famous for his victory over AttilaTheHun. After Aetius' own emperor personally assassinated him (the emperor had been persuaded by two of Aetius' rivals that the general had threatening dynastic ambitions,) a member of the court told the emperor "[[ServileSnarker I am ignorant, sir, of your motives or provocations; I only know that you have acted like a man who has cut off his right hand with his left.]]" [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He was absolutely right; two of the conspirators (one of whom was the emperor himself!) were murdered by the third in revenge for them backing out of their side of the bargain. Not only that, but the murders happened while the emperor was surrounded by soldiers...[[LaserGuidedKarma who had been faithful followers of Aetius, and didn't lift a finger while he was being stabbed to death.]]]]
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** Then there's Colonel Flagg. who is a one-man example. Who he ''actually'' works for is an open question (he routinely claims different affiliations), but here's a sample quote:
--> '''Flagg:''' I'm with the CIA [Central Intelligence Agency]. I only tell people I'm with the CIC [Counter-Intelligence Corps]. It confuses them; makes them think I'm with the CID [Army Criminal Investigation Division].
21st May '17 11:59:13 AM nombretomado
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* There's some tragic backstory for a doppleganger in ''VisionOfEscaflowne.'' He was impersonating an army soldier during a war, and struck down an enemy soldier, only for the enemy to be revealed as another doppleganger--his brother.

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* There's some tragic backstory for a doppleganger in ''VisionOfEscaflowne.''Anime/TheVisionOfEscaflowne.'' He was impersonating an army soldier during a war, and struck down an enemy soldier, only for the enemy to be revealed as another doppleganger--his brother.
4th May '17 5:43:50 PM KamenRiderOokalf
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** ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' has this in abundance with all four heroes working to different goals and motivations, and are motivated by their particular medical specialty. Ex-Aid, a pediatrition, attempts to make the VictimOfTheWeek feel better by understanding them. Brave, a surgeon, strives to make no emotional attachments to the victim because no surgeon is right all the time. Laser, a corner, is concerned with finding out the origin of the disease as a whole, and keeps things close to his chest as he's not sure of the full involvment of the other players. Snipe, an ex-radiologist is less concerned about saving lives, but "winning" the game, and is just as likely to put lives in danger as he is to save them. As Ex-Aid is the hero, this leads to Brave being the closest to his own motivation, but he can be callous towards the victim, Laser being the easiest Rider to befriend, but the least trustworthy, and Snipe being the most knowledgeable about the Rider systems, but the most antagonistic of the four. And that's not getting into the motivations of Gemn or the Bugsters.

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** ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' has this in abundance with all four heroes working to different goals and motivations, and are motivated by their particular medical specialty. Ex-Aid, a pediatrition, pediatrician, attempts to make the VictimOfTheWeek feel better by understanding them. Brave, a surgeon, strives to make no emotional attachments to the victim because no surgeon is right all the time. Laser, Lazer, a corner, coroner, is concerned with finding out the origin of the disease as a whole, and keeps things close to his chest as he's not sure of the full involvment involvement of the other players. Snipe, an ex-radiologist is less concerned about saving lives, but "winning" the game, and is just as likely to put lives in danger as he is to save them. As Ex-Aid is the hero, this leads to Brave being the closest to his own motivation, but he can be callous towards the victim, Laser Lazer being the easiest Rider to befriend, but the least trustworthy, and Snipe being the most knowledgeable about the Rider systems, but the most antagonistic of the four. And that's not getting into the motivations of Gemn Genm or the Bugsters.
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