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7th Dec '16 7:32:31 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Webcomic/{{Oglaf}}'' had a case, pictured above, where some shapeshifters infiltrate a royal court to assassinate the king. It turns out the king had been replaced by another shapeshifter.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Oglaf}}'' had a case, pictured above, case where some shapeshifters infiltrate a royal court to assassinate the king. It turns out the king had been replaced by another shapeshifter.
6th Dec '16 9:16:48 PM Willbyr
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Eventually, you can be sure that the protagonists' side will win out over the other, or both will eventually sit down and talk things out once a member of each group go [[GoKartingWithBowser Go Karting]] and can [[CharacterWitness vouch for the other.]] Expect someone to note "[[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot it could have been avoided]]". This doesn't need to be limited to two sides either, it gets very common with LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters acting independently of each other, but constantly bumping into each other because [[YouALLShareMyStory they all share the story]].

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Eventually, you can be sure that the protagonists' side will win out over the other, or both will eventually sit down and talk things out once a member of each group go [[GoKartingWithBowser Go Karting]] group {{Go Karting|WithBowser}} and can [[CharacterWitness vouch for the other.]] other]]. Expect someone to note "[[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot it could have been avoided]]". This doesn't need to be limited to two sides either, it gets very common with LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters acting independently of each other, but constantly bumping into each other because [[YouALLShareMyStory they all share the story]].



19th Nov '16 1:52:14 PM KingLyger
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* The second issue of the four part miniseries that started ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehog'' has Robotnik telling Sally [[ILied he lied]] when she meets with him to bargain for her father's life. As it turns out, [[BatmanGambit Sally had anticipated this and the real plan was to get an analysis of the roboticizer]]. This plan was screwed up when Sonic rescued her, because Sally didn't bother to tell anyone besides Rotor what she was up to.
11th Nov '16 3:36:54 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Literature/TheWarAgainstTheChtorr''. A major gripe of the protagonist, especially in "A Season for Slaughter", vis-a-vis his covert employers the Uncle Ira Group. The Uncle Ira Group on the other hand are constantly annoyed by his habit of going off half-cocked at {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s instead of trusting them to handle things behind the scenes. ''He'' is constantly annoyed because for the past three-and-a-half books, they never bothered to correct his assumption that he was TheOnlyOne focused on the enemy instead of gaming the system. ''Very'' justifiably, too, as the ''literal'' previous time he met the actual leader of the group - the ''first'' time they ''met'' - [[spoiler:'''the UIG tried to feed him to a giant alien worm.''' And the only reason he survived was because he, on his own initiative, actually learned how to use the weapon they gave him beforehand - a weapon was chosen specifically because it was nearly useless against giant alien worms. The only reason he survived was because he is a CrazyPrepared '''''{{Badass}}.''''']]

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* ''Literature/TheWarAgainstTheChtorr''. A major gripe of the protagonist, especially in "A Season for Slaughter", vis-a-vis his covert employers the Uncle Ira Group. The Uncle Ira Group on the other hand are constantly annoyed by his habit of going off half-cocked at {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s instead of trusting them to handle things behind the scenes. ''He'' is constantly annoyed because for the past three-and-a-half books, they never bothered to correct his assumption that he was TheOnlyOne focused on the enemy instead of gaming the system. ''Very'' justifiably, too, as the ''literal'' previous time he met the actual leader of the group - the ''first'' time they ''met'' - [[spoiler:'''the UIG tried to feed him to a giant alien worm.''' And the only reason he survived was because he, on his own initiative, actually learned how to use the weapon they gave him beforehand - a weapon was chosen specifically because it was nearly useless against giant alien worms. The only reason he survived was because he is a CrazyPrepared '''''{{Badass}}.''''']]CrazyPrepared.]]
22nd Oct '16 5:47:21 AM Morgenthaler
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* MaoZedong often deliberately encouraged this among key players in the Chinese Communist Party (withholding critical information, being deliberately ambiguous, or feeding them outright lies), so that none of them could gain enough traction to challenge his power or discredit him after his death. Even more cunningly, he often permitted his wife or his ''really'' trusted lieutenants to speak for him, so that he could maintain some semblance of plausible deniability.

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* MaoZedong UsefulNotes/MaoZedong often deliberately encouraged this among key players in the Chinese Communist Party (withholding critical information, being deliberately ambiguous, or feeding them outright lies), so that none of them could gain enough traction to challenge his power or discredit him after his death. Even more cunningly, he often permitted his wife or his ''really'' trusted lieutenants to speak for him, so that he could maintain some semblance of plausible deniability.
6th Oct '16 12:27:09 AM NNinja
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* There are aspects of this in the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' Series. The First one (not admitted to until ''decades'' later in-universe) was that the ship in book 1 was intended as a test bed alone by [=BuShips=]. The First Space Lord goofed by putting it near any sort of combat.

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* There are aspects of this in the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' Series. The First one (not admitted to until ''decades'' later in-universe) was that the ship in book 1 was intended as a test bed alone by [=BuShips=]. The First Space Lord goofed by putting it near any sort of combat.
2nd Oct '16 4:31:35 PM themisterfree
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** Creator/{{Sony}} seems to be particularly prone to this, likely as a result of its' confusing corporate structures (many different divisions in various activities- movie making, video gaming, etc.- plus regional outposts) mucking things up:
*** One of the most interesting cases of this in history was the background maneuvering in the Napster civil suit: Sony, manufacturer of computer products, saw Napster as a profitable way to get more people to use computers, and therefore funded much of their legal defense. However! Sony, entertainment and intellectual property owner, saw Napster as stealing their products through Digital Piracy, and therefore also funded most of the suit! Sony has been described not only as a feudal kingdom, but as "four separate companies, without a word to say to each other".
*** This is also evidenced by some Sony DVD players, where it's possible to disable their region coding, and user's manuals actually ''tell'' users how to do it. Electronic manufacturer division greatly profits from the sales of the DVD players, which are boosted by movies availability, but IP owner division loves to wring the last coin from the watchers, which is more easily done by such things as a regional-specific prices and release dates, hence the regional codes. The disabling manual appears to be a some sort of [[WeAreStrugglingTogether an uneasy compromise]].
** Nokia. The infighting of Symbian group and MeeGo group, and then Stephen Elop came, apparently without leaving Microsoft paycheck. Official statement? "Windows Phone 7 is our way forward and we won't port Qt to it. But we are still developing Qt."

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** Creator/{{Sony}} seems to be particularly prone to this, likely as a result of its' confusing corporate structures (many different divisions in various activities- [[Creator/SonyPictures movie making, making]], [[Creator/SonyInteractiveEntertainment video gaming, gaming]], etc.- plus regional outposts) mucking things up:
up. Sony has been described not only as a feudal kingdom, but as "four separate companies, without a word to say to each other". Examples include:
*** One of the most interesting cases of this in history was the background maneuvering in the Napster civil suit: Sony, manufacturer of computer products, saw Napster as a profitable way to get more people to use computers, and therefore funded much of their legal defense. However! Sony, entertainment and intellectual property owner, saw Napster as stealing their products through Digital Piracy, and therefore also funded most of the suit! Sony has been described not only as a feudal kingdom, but as "four separate companies, without a word to say to each other".
suit!
*** This is also evidenced by some Some Sony DVD players, where it's possible to disable players can have their region coding, coding disabled, and user's manuals actually ''tell'' users how to do it. Electronic The electronic manufacturer division greatly profits from the sales of the DVD players, which are boosted by movies movies' availability, but the IP owner division loves to wring the last coin from the watchers, which is more easily done by such things as a regional-specific region-specific prices and release dates, hence the regional codes. The disabling manual ability to disable the codes appears to be a some sort of [[WeAreStrugglingTogether an uneasy compromise]].
** Nokia. The infighting of the Symbian group and the MeeGo group, and then Stephen Elop came, apparently without leaving Microsoft Microsoft's paycheck. Official statement? "Windows Phone 7 is our way forward and we won't port Qt to it. But we are still developing Qt."
30th Aug '16 4:13:29 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''TheWarAgainstTheChtorr''. A major gripe of the protagonist, especially in "A Season for Slaughter", vis-a-vis his covert employers the Uncle Ira Group. The Uncle Ira Group on the other hand are constantly annoyed by his habit of going off half-cocked at {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s instead of trusting them to handle things behind the scenes. ''He'' is constantly annoyed because for the past three-and-a-half books, they never bothered to correct his assumption that he was TheOnlyOne focused on the enemy instead of gaming the system. ''Very'' justifiably, too, as the ''literal'' previous time he met the actual leader of the group - the ''first'' time they ''met'' - [[spoiler:'''the UIG tried to feed him to a giant alien worm.''' And the only reason he survived was because he, on his own initiative, actually learned how to use the weapon they gave him beforehand - a weapon was chosen specifically because it was nearly useless against giant alien worms. The only reason he survived was because he is a CrazyPrepared '''''{{Badass}}.''''']]

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* ''TheWarAgainstTheChtorr''.''Literature/TheWarAgainstTheChtorr''. A major gripe of the protagonist, especially in "A Season for Slaughter", vis-a-vis his covert employers the Uncle Ira Group. The Uncle Ira Group on the other hand are constantly annoyed by his habit of going off half-cocked at {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s instead of trusting them to handle things behind the scenes. ''He'' is constantly annoyed because for the past three-and-a-half books, they never bothered to correct his assumption that he was TheOnlyOne focused on the enemy instead of gaming the system. ''Very'' justifiably, too, as the ''literal'' previous time he met the actual leader of the group - the ''first'' time they ''met'' - [[spoiler:'''the UIG tried to feed him to a giant alien worm.''' And the only reason he survived was because he, on his own initiative, actually learned how to use the weapon they gave him beforehand - a weapon was chosen specifically because it was nearly useless against giant alien worms. The only reason he survived was because he is a CrazyPrepared '''''{{Badass}}.''''']]
28th Aug '16 11:47:14 AM Morgenthaler
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** The entire [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons Nazi army]] was split up by Hitler in rather insane ways to make sure each part was too weak to overthrow him. Instead of the normal "army, navy, and air-force," set up, each group had varying sizes of battalions from all three, which at times caused confusion over who had command over which troops.

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** The entire [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons [[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons Nazi army]] was split up by Hitler in rather insane ways to make sure each part was too weak to overthrow him. Instead of the normal "army, navy, and air-force," set up, each group had varying sizes of battalions from all three, which at times caused confusion over who had command over which troops.
30th Jun '16 2:27:53 PM Prometheus117
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*** There is actually a good reason why this is the case in the Imperium, during the Horus Heresy, Horus was able to turn roughly half the military (including ships, Space Marines, Mechanicus and Guard regiments) to his side without anyone noticing. This, and other incidents such as the Age of Apostasy, means that all Imperial organisations are encouraged to distrust and compete against each other, to make sure no one man can ever accumulate enough personal power to threaten the Imperium.

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*** There is actually a good reason why this is the case in the Imperium, during the Horus Heresy, Horus was able to turn roughly half the military (including ships, Space Marines, Mechanicus and Guard regiments) to his side without anyone noticing. This, and other incidents such as the Age of Apostasy, means that all Imperial organisations are encouraged to distrust and compete against each other, to make sure no one man can ever accumulate enough personal power to threaten the Imperium.Imperium...but it also means that nothing short of the NotQuiteDead GodEmperor suddenly recovering from his corpse state on the Golden Throne will ever allow the Imperium to get out of the shit barrel of problems it's created for itself in the past 10,000 years.
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