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15th Jul '16 6:26:38 AM Euodiachloris
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** Lady Barbrey Dustin is 100% convinced that maesters are not the neutral players in the political game that they claim to be. She points out how all their useful functions as servaters, such as reading, writing, overseeing the ravens and healing, are designed to lull Lords into not questioning the motives behind the advice they give. All so that the Citadel may rule from the shadows, puppeteers of all who dance on their strings, uncontested. Yes... But, no. They really aren't neutral and do have agendas... Which are mostly cultural or personal ones, not institutional or familial ones. See, they don't kid about wanting to serve and educate, but there are political factions within the Citadel divided on how best to do it, and individual maesters can fall into any camp with differing degrees and methods of active participation in wider society. Ruling from the shadows isn't seriously on the table as a concerted, overriding consensus agenda, however. Every initiate of Citadel we get much insight of, from the surrogate parent of Maester Cressen, the sleazy Maester Pycelle, the dedicatedly heretical ex-maester Qyburn to the sincerely devoted Maester Luwin and others... they all have ''many'' reasons behind the biases they act on.

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** Lady Barbrey Dustin is 100% convinced that maesters are not the neutral players in the political game that they claim to be. She points out how all their useful functions as servaters, servators, such as reading, writing, overseeing the ravens and healing, are specifically designed to lull Lords into not questioning the motives behind the advice they give. All so that the Citadel may uncontestedly rule from the shadows, puppeteers of all who dance on their strings, uncontested.strings. Yes... But, seriously... no. They really aren't completely neutral and do many ''do'' have agendas... Which are mostly cultural or personal ones, not necessarily institutional or familial ones. See, they don't kid about wanting to serve and educate, but there are political factions within the Citadel divided on how best to do it, that, and individual maesters can fall into any camp with differing degrees and methods of active participation in wider society. Ruling from the shadows isn't seriously on the table as a concerted, overriding consensus agenda, however. Every initiate of the Citadel we get much insight of, from the surrogate parent of Maester Cressen, the sleazy Maester Pycelle, the dedicatedly heretical ex-maester Qyburn to the sincerely devoted Maester Luwin and others... they all have ''many'' reasons behind the biases they act on.on; mostly personal ones.
11th Jul '16 4:11:52 AM Trogdor
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* ''WebOriginal/PokemonRusty'': In his first gym battle against the clearly too strong for him Blaine, Rusty, after sending two clearly disadvantaged Pokemon to die, sends out his Cubone. Blaine praises Rusty for actually thinking straight as Cubone is a Ground-type, which is super effective against his Fire-type Growlithe. Rusty scoffs at Blaine, calling him an idiot, as Cubone is a "Bone-type" and dogs have a weakness for bones. It ends up being a moot point anyway as Growlithe is too high leveled for Cubone to do anything.

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* ''WebOriginal/PokemonRusty'': ''WebAnimation/PokemonRusty'': In his first gym battle against the clearly too strong for him Blaine, Rusty, after sending two clearly disadvantaged Pokemon to die, sends out his Cubone. Blaine praises Rusty for actually thinking straight as Cubone is a Ground-type, which is super effective against his Fire-type Growlithe. Rusty scoffs at Blaine, calling him an idiot, as Cubone is a "Bone-type" and dogs have a weakness for bones. It ends up being a moot point anyway as Growlithe is too high leveled for Cubone to do anything.
9th Jul '16 7:16:39 AM EDP
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* In, ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs'', [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues Fate]]]] compares the Wolkenritter to herself after finding out that they're just [[ArtificialHuman autonomous programs]]. In reality, her view was backwards. She's not something fake that looks human, they're humans who just happen to be living magical computer programs. They're {{Anti Villain}}s just like she was who wanted to see the one they love smile at any cost.

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* In, In ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs'', [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues Fate]]]] compares the Wolkenritter to herself after finding out that they're just [[ArtificialHuman autonomous programs]]. In reality, her view was backwards. She's not something fake that looks human, they're humans who just happen to be living magical computer programs. They're {{Anti Villain}}s just like she was who wanted to see the one they love smile at any cost.cost.
* In ''Manga/KimagureOrangeRoad'', Sayuri is the only one beside Kyosuke and Madoka herself who know they like each other. She came at this conclusion because as she was stalking Madoka she saw her and Kyosuke enter the ABCB and heard the noise of lovemaking soon after, not imagining [[ItMakesSenseInContext it was actually a porn movie put on by Hikari, Madoka's best friend and Kyosuke's girlfriend, without knowing what it actually was]].
8th Jul '16 4:01:06 PM Premonition45
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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'': In "Hidden Agenda", Terry's classmate Max Gibson figures out that Terry has been leading a double-life. However, she thinks he's with the Jokerz gang instead of being the new Batman. She becomes a SecretKeeper to Terry when she learns the truth in the end.
6th Jul '16 4:58:51 AM longWriter
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* Joseph [=McCarthy=] and his [[WitchHunt career]] reads almost like a deconstruction of the trope. He came to historical infamy by violently lashing out at "Communist Infiltration." He claimed to possess a list of "proven" infiltrators, and championed a drive to crush them. Most if not all his "evidence" was based on BlatantLies and motivated by cynical political posturing (and maybe a sliver of good intentions). As it turned out, the Soviet Union did indeed control a vast network of spies throughout the West that did include local Communist Parties that were internally totalitarian and downright treasonous, and they combined did vast amounts of damage. Indeed, most rational people knew that the Soviets would've been absolute idiots ''not'' to build such a network. The problem was that [=McCarthy=] jumped from the rational supposition that the Soviets were spying on the United States to the insane conclusion that ''everybody was a Soviet spy'' (especially anyone who tried to call him out on his claims and arguments). The resulting witch hunts basically broke the prestige and cohesion of those networks and probably gained the US the upper hand for the first decade or so of the Cold War. The kicker is that in doing so, they also inflamed hysteria and harmed many, many innocent people while [=McCarthy=] himself did not catch a single Communist agent and continued a series of hysterical accusations until he committed electoral suicide by [[TooDumbToLive taking on the US military in the shadow of the Second World War, the Korean War, the Elbe River Crisis, *and* the Berlin Airlift.]] Both UsefulNotes/HarryTruman and UsefulNotes/DwightEisenhower made similar, sarcastic jibes that [=McCarthy=]'s hysterical methods made him "the best agent the Kremlin ever had" because of [[StopHelpingMe the way he made his cause look irrational]]. ''Literature/TheManchurianCandidate'' has an {{expy}} of [=McCarthy=] who really ''is'' a Soviet agent with exactly this mission to help the Communists obtain control of the US.

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* Joseph [=McCarthy=] and his [[WitchHunt career]] reads almost like a deconstruction of the trope. He came to historical infamy by violently lashing out at "Communist Infiltration." He claimed to possess a list of "proven" infiltrators, and championed a drive to crush them. Most if not all his "evidence" was based on BlatantLies and motivated by cynical political posturing (and maybe a sliver of good intentions). As it turned out, the Soviet Union did indeed control a vast network of spies throughout the West that did include local Communist Parties that were internally totalitarian and downright treasonous, and they combined did vast amounts of damage. Indeed, most rational people knew that the Soviets would've been absolute idiots ''not'' to build such a network. The problem was that [=McCarthy=] jumped from the rational supposition that the Soviets were spying on the United States to the insane conclusion that ''everybody was a Soviet spy'' (especially anyone who tried to call him out on his claims and arguments). The resulting witch hunts basically broke the prestige and cohesion of those networks and probably gained the US the upper hand for the first decade or so of the Cold War. The kicker is that in doing so, they also inflamed hysteria and harmed many, many innocent people while [=McCarthy=] himself did not catch a single Communist agent and continued a series of hysterical accusations until he committed electoral suicide by [[TooDumbToLive taking on the US military in the shadow of the Second World War, the Korean War, the Elbe River Crisis, *and* the Berlin Airlift.]] Both UsefulNotes/HarryTruman and UsefulNotes/DwightEisenhower made similar, sarcastic jibes that [=McCarthy=]'s hysterical methods made him "the best agent the Kremlin ever had" because of [[StopHelpingMe [[UnwantedAssistance the way he made his cause look irrational]]. ''Literature/TheManchurianCandidate'' has an {{expy}} of [=McCarthy=] who really ''is'' a Soviet agent with exactly this mission to help the Communists obtain control of the US.
5th Jul '16 2:32:44 PM DuelMark
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* ''WebOriginal/PokemonRust'': In his first gym battle against the clearly too strong for him Blaine, Rusty, after sending two clearly disadvantaged Pokemon to die, sends out his Cubone. Blaine praises Rusty for actually thinking straight as Cubone is a Ground-type, which is super effective against his Fire-type Growlithe. Rusty scoffs at Blaine, calling him an idiot, as Cubone is a "Bone-type" and dogs have a weakness for bones. It ends up being a moot point anyway as Growlithe is too high leveled for Cubone to do anything.

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* ''WebOriginal/PokemonRust'': ''WebOriginal/PokemonRusty'': In his first gym battle against the clearly too strong for him Blaine, Rusty, after sending two clearly disadvantaged Pokemon to die, sends out his Cubone. Blaine praises Rusty for actually thinking straight as Cubone is a Ground-type, which is super effective against his Fire-type Growlithe. Rusty scoffs at Blaine, calling him an idiot, as Cubone is a "Bone-type" and dogs have a weakness for bones. It ends up being a moot point anyway as Growlithe is too high leveled for Cubone to do anything.
5th Jul '16 2:31:53 PM DuelMark
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* ''WebOriginal/PokemonRust'': In his first gym battle against the clearly too strong for him Blaine, Rusty, after sending two clearly disadvantaged Pokemon to die, sends out his Cubone. Blaine praises Rusty for actually thinking straight as Cubone is a Ground-type, which is super effective against his Fire-type Growlithe. Rusty scoffs at Blaine, calling him an idiot, as Cubone is a "Bone-type" and dogs have a weakness for bones. It ends up being a moot point anyway as Growlithe is too high leveled for Cubone to do anything.
27th Jun '16 1:29:45 PM NNinja
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** From the same game, Sissel finds out he can't read, and assumes this is part of his GhostAmnesia, which seems prefectly reasonable at the time. Ironically, his GhostAmnesia prevents him from realising the ''real'' reason why he can't read: [[spoiler: he's the ghost of a ''cat''.]]
27th Jun '16 1:13:19 PM eroock
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''There are many names for this sort of thinking, but "scientific" is not one of them."''

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''There are many names for this sort of thinking, but "scientific" 'scientific' is not one of them."''
27th Jun '16 12:48:17 PM eroock
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->''[D]idn't Aristarchus and the Pythagoreans propose heliocentrism in ancient times? If only they had prevailed, we might have had Real Science millennia sooner. What was ''their'' evidence?''\\

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->''[D]idn't ->''"[D]idn't Aristarchus and the Pythagoreans propose heliocentrism in ancient times? If only they had prevailed, we might have had Real Science millennia sooner. What was ''their'' evidence?''\\



''There are many names for this sort of thinking, but "scientific" is not one of them.''
-->--'''Michael F. Flynn''', ''[[http://www2.fiu.edu/~blissl/Flynngs.pdf The Great Ptolemaic Smackdown]]''

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''There are many names for this sort of thinking, but "scientific" is not one of them.''
-->--'''Michael
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-->-- '''Michael
F. Flynn''', ''[[http://www2.fiu.edu/~blissl/Flynngs.pdf The Great Ptolemaic Smackdown]]''
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