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5th Dec '16 6:16:03 PM Alceister
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** The bad air (or miasma) theory of disease led to attempts to stave off disease by burning incense. This proved very effective against diseases spread by mosquitoes. The main concept of miasma theory (that disease is caused by unpleasant smells generated by corpses) is one big example of this trope - the smell itself is not the cause of disease, but rather a byproduct of the bacteria attracted to the decaying tissue.

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** The bad air (or miasma) theory of disease led to attempts to stave off disease illness by burning incense. This proved very effective in protecting against diseases spread by mosquitoes. mosquitoes, a major disease vector. The main concept of miasma theory (that disease is caused by unpleasant smells generated by corpses) is also one big example of this trope - -- the smell itself is not the cause of disease, but rather a byproduct of the bacteria attracted to the decaying tissue.
1st Dec '16 7:32:05 AM Gosicrystal
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* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' does this a lot, often realizing the culprit before fully understanding their motive or method. The most notable is [[spoiler: Adrian Andrews]]—she actually did [[spoiler: stab Juan Corrida and frame Matt for the murder, but she did it after Juan was already dead.]]
** There's also a weird "non-culprit" example in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies''. In case 2, much of the case revolves around the fact that nobody is supposed to enter the Forbidden Chamber because supposedly, an evil demon named "Tenma Taro" is locked inside. Naturally, some characters treat this as mere superstition, and some characters treat this as real. It turns out that [[spoiler:yes, it's just superstition, there is no demon. ''But'', there ''is'' a good reason not to go into the Forbidden Chamber anyway: it turns out that "Tenma Taro" is actually the name of a gold ingot that, when it first appeared, caused the villagers to fight over the gold out of greed, ''as if'' they were possessed by monsters. So there's actually a good reason to keep the Forbidden Chamber locked up, because if people saw there was gold in there, they'd start fighting over it again.]]
** Another example in ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'': Drew Misham, an art forger, had a postage stamp framed for whatever reason. Said postage stamp happened to have a powerful poison on its back. Seven years later, Drew dies from licking the stamp to use it. It's suggested that the art forger had the stamp framed because he knew it was poisoned. Apollo, assuming this to be true, makes quite an impressive leap of logic: [[spoiler:Drew is not the art forger, but rather he acts as the face of one, namely his daughter Vera. SHE had the stamp framed, allegedly suspecting the poison, and later Drew, who suspected nothing, used the stamp and died of the poison.]] Almost all of the above is true... except the stamp was framed because Drew's daughter liked the picture on it.
** An example in ''Investigations 2'' that comes off as shocking in hindsight, one of SmallNameBigEgo Yumihiko Ichiyanagi's early arguements actually turns out to be a case of this. [[spoiler: Manousuke Naito is found dead in prison, so Yumihiko has Souta Sarushiro arrested simply because he happened to be Naito's friend, then comes up with a flimsy reasoning involving a chess board he sent to the prison as a gift containing a chisel in a secret compartment. Eveyone both in-universe and out laughs this off at the time, however, it is revealed ''much'' later that Souta is the true BigBad of the game, and while he didn't personally murder Naito, he did [[TheChessmaster manipulate events with the explicit intention of him ending up dead]], the chisel was planted in the compartment for that very purpose, ''and'' his motive for doing so did indeed involve their friendship. (More specifically, Souta believed Naito had betrayed that friendship due to an event Naito himself doesn't even remember.)]]


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* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' does this a lot, often realizing the culprit before fully understanding their motive or method:
** In Case 4 of ''[[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney Justice for All]]'', [[spoiler:Adrian Andrews]] actually did [[spoiler:stab Juan Corrida and frame Matt for the murder, but she did it after Juan was already dead]].
** In ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'', Drew Misham, an art forger, had a postage stamp framed for whatever reason. Said postage stamp happened to have a powerful poison on its back. Seven years later, Drew dies from licking the stamp to use it. It's suggested that the art forger had the stamp framed because he knew it was poisoned. Apollo, assuming this to be true, makes quite an impressive leap of logic: [[spoiler:Drew is not the art forger, but rather he acts as the face of one, namely his daughter Vera. SHE had the stamp framed, allegedly suspecting the poison, and later Drew, who suspected nothing, used the stamp and died of the poison.]] Almost all of the above is true... except the stamp was framed because Drew's daughter liked the picture on it.
** In ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations 2'', one of [[SmallNameBigEgo Yumihiko Ichiyanagi]]'s early arguments actually turns out to be a case of this. [[spoiler:Manousuke Naito is found dead in prison, so Yumihiko has Souta Sarushiro arrested simply because he happened to be Naito's friend, then comes up with a flimsy reasoning involving a chess board he sent to the prison as a gift containing a chisel in a secret compartment. Eveyone both in-universe and out laughs this off at the time, however, it is revealed ''much'' later that Souta is the true BigBad of the game, and while he didn't personally murder Naito, he did [[TheChessmaster manipulate events with the explicit intention of him ending up dead]], the chisel was planted in the compartment for that very purpose, ''and'' his motive for doing so did indeed involve their friendship (more specifically, Souta believed Naito had betrayed that friendship due to an event Naito himself doesn't even remember).]]
** There's a weird "non-culprit" example in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies''. In case 2, much of the case revolves around the fact that nobody is supposed to enter the Forbidden Chamber because supposedly, an evil demon named "Tenma Taro" is locked inside. Naturally, some characters treat this as mere superstition, and some characters treat this as real. It turns out that [[spoiler:yes, it's just superstition, there is no demon. ''But'', there ''is'' a good reason not to go into the Forbidden Chamber anyway: it turns out that "Tenma Taro" is actually the name of a gold ingot that, when it first appeared, caused the villagers to fight over the gold out of greed, ''as if'' they were possessed by monsters. So there's actually a good reason to keep the Forbidden Chamber locked up, because if people saw there was gold in there, they'd start fighting over it again.]]
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21st Nov '16 6:46:48 AM KnightSpark
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21st Nov '16 6:41:08 AM KnightSpark
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** Used again in Revelation (Season 8), when Sarge guesses that [[spoiler: Washington killed Donut and Lopez and took Simmons prisoner]], do to Simmons answering the radio wrong, using an obvious lie about said radio, and [[ItMakesSenseInContext a lack of tinking glasses in the background]], but this trope comes into effect when he analyzes Simmons "coded messages":
--->'''Sarge:''' He also mentioned that [[spoiler: the weather was rainier]]. And as we all know, [[spoiler: Mt. Rainier]] is the biggest landmass in the state of: [[spoiler: Washington]], and how many [[spoiler: Washingtons]] do we know?
--->'''Griff:''' Wait, did he mean [[spoiler: Agent Washington?]]
--->'''Sarge:''' And who's the biggest mass we know, associated with [[spoiler: Washington]]?
--->'''Griff:''' [[spoiler: The Meta!]]

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** Used again in Revelation (Season 8), when Sarge guesses that [[spoiler: Washington killed Donut and Lopez and took Simmons prisoner]], do due to Simmons answering the radio wrong, using an obvious lie about said radio, and [[ItMakesSenseInContext a lack of tinking glasses in the background]], but this trope comes into effect when he analyzes Simmons "coded messages":
--->'''Sarge:''' He also mentioned that [[spoiler: the weather was rainier]]. And as we all know, [[spoiler: Mt. Rainier]] is the biggest landmass in the state of: of... [[spoiler: Washington]], and how Washington]].
--->'''Grif:''' We do? I mean, we do!
--->'''Sarge:''' How
many [[spoiler: Washingtons]] do we know?
--->'''Griff:''' --->'''Grif:''' Wait, did he mean [[spoiler: Agent Washington?]]
--->'''Sarge:''' And who's the biggest mass we know, know associated with [[spoiler: Washington]]?
--->'''Griff:''' --->'''Grif:''' [[spoiler: The Meta!]]



--->'''Griff:''' We have to help 'em! Wait, [[spoiler: Doc?]] Ha- how do you know he's there?

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--->'''Griff:''' --->'''Grif:''' We have to help 'em! Wait, [[spoiler: Doc?]] Ha- how do you know he's there?
20th Nov '16 9:36:44 AM AnonFangeekGirl
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** In ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire'', Harry and Ron speculate that Rita Skeeter is getting her information by bugging them, i.e. using electronic surveillance devices to listen in. Hermione points out that electrical devices don't work around Hogwarts. Later on, however, she deduces that Rita was indeed bugging them- [[spoiler: she's a beetle animagus, and she's using that form to get close to events incognito and listen in.]]
8th Nov '16 2:57:54 PM Az_Tech341
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* In 2015, an attention-getting study was done, showing that a simple, 10-minute conversation with a stranger who turned out to be gay could measurably change people's opinions on gay rights. It made quite a stir, until it was discovered that the grad student running the study apparently [[BlatantLies made up all the data]], and the study was retracted. The same group that discovered this fraud did a [[http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-two-grad-students-uncovered-michael-lacour-fraud-and-a-way-to-change-opinions-on-transgender-rights/ study of their own]], and found that the original conclusions were ''actually correct'', if somewhat less dramatic that originally claimed.

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* In 2015, an attention-getting study was done, showing that a simple, 10-minute conversation with a stranger who turned out to be gay could measurably change people's opinions on gay rights. It made quite a stir, until it was discovered that the grad student running the study apparently [[BlatantLies made up all the data]], and the study was retracted. The same group that discovered this fraud did a [[http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-two-grad-students-uncovered-michael-lacour-fraud-and-a-way-to-change-opinions-on-transgender-rights/ study of their own]], and found that the original conclusions were ''actually correct'', if somewhat less dramatic that than originally claimed.
8th Nov '16 9:29:16 AM tromag
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* In 2015, an attention-getting study was done, showing that a simple, 10-minute conversation with a stranger who turned out to be gay could measurably change people's opinions on gay rights. It made quite a stir, until it was discovered that the grad student running the study apparently [[BlatantLies made up all the data]], and the study was retracted. The same group that discovered this fraud did a [[http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-two-grad-students-uncovered-michael-lacour-fraud-and-a-way-to-change-opinions-on-transgender-rights/ study of their own]], and found that the original conclusions were ''actually correct'', if somewhat less dramatic that originally claimed.
7th Nov '16 8:21:46 AM Gamermaster
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* In ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs'', [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues Fate]]]] compares the Wolkenritter to herself after finding out that they're just [[ArtificialHuman autonomous programs]]. In reality, her view was backwards. She's not something fake that looks human, they're humans who just happen to be living magical computer programs. They're {{Anti Villain}}s just like she was who wanted to see the one they love smile at any cost.

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* In ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs'', [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues Fate]]]] compares About halfway through ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs'' it's revealed that the Wolkenritter are actually [[JustAMachine semi-autonomous programs]]. Fate (who was in the middle of her "[[CloningBlues am I even human]]?" phase) compares them to herself after finding herself, which Chrono and Lindy are very quick to deny. As we find out later on in the episode, that is probably the most accurate comparison that could possibly be made since they're just almost identical to her back in the first season ([[AndroidsArePeopleToo completely]] [[ClonesArePeopleToo human]] despite their [[ArtificialHuman autonomous programs]]. In reality, her view was backwards. She's not something fake artificial nature]], [[AntiVillain driven to help a dying mother figure]], and suffering to the point that looks human, they're humans who [[TheWoobie you just happen want to be living magical computer programs. They're {{Anti Villain}}s just like she was who wanted to see the one they love smile at any cost.give them a hug]]).
27th Oct '16 9:50:31 AM kquinn0830
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** This trope is named explicitly in the episode "Best Friends Forever". At the end of the episode, Stan delivers AnAesop about how his group - which wanted Kenny kept on life support - was wrong for the right reasons. Cartman's group, which wanted Kenny taken off life-support (though only Cartman had the selfish reason of wanting Kenny's PSP) was right for the wrong reasons.

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** This trope is named explicitly in the episode "Best Friends Forever". At the end of the episode, Stan delivers AnAesop about how his group - which wanted Kenny kept on life support - was wrong for the right reasons.reasons (that they love him and don't want him to die). Cartman's group, which wanted Kenny taken off life-support (though only Cartman had the selfish reason of wanting Kenny's PSP) was right for the wrong reasons.
24th Oct '16 11:30:33 AM Discar
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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', Teyrn Loghain Mac Tir is hated by the nobility of Ferelden, despite his deserved reputation as a war hero, because of his assumption of the regency after the king's death. They view it as a power-grab, and they're absolutely right, but the nobles are more upset that an [[NouveauRiche up-jumped farmer]] presumes to lead them than they are that someone seized the throne. Consequently, despite his accomplishments, he starts with almost no allies who are not simultaneously serious liabilities, and his gross political ineptitude means that he never really gains any support.

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In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', Teyrn Loghain Mac Tir is hated by the nobility of Ferelden, despite his deserved reputation as a war hero, because of his assumption of the regency after the king's death. They view it as a power-grab, and they're absolutely right, but the nobles are more upset that an [[NouveauRiche up-jumped farmer]] presumes to lead them than they are that someone seized the throne. Consequently, despite his accomplishments, he starts with almost no allies who are not simultaneously serious liabilities, and his gross political ineptitude means that he never really gains any support.



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