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12th Jan '17 11:23:34 AM dmcreif
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* ''Series/LukeCage2016'': Diamondback's vendetta against Luke ultimately destroys his entire power base with Luke barely having to lift a finger. Shades lampshades this when Willis [[spoiler:shoots Misty in the club and turns his attempt into a hostage situation]]; it's a very, ''very'' stupid move that is unlikely to end well even in the best of circumstances. Willis bluntly says he doesn't care. He's willing to burn everything for a chance to kill Luke.

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* ''Series/LukeCage2016'': Diamondback's vendetta against Luke ultimately destroys his entire power base with Luke barely having to lift a finger. Shades lampshades calls him out on this when Willis [[spoiler:shoots shoots Misty in the club and turns his attempt on Luke into a hostage situation]]; it's situation. It's a very, ''very'' stupid move that is unlikely to end well even in the best of circumstances. Willis bluntly says he doesn't care. He's willing to burn everything for a chance to kill Luke.


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**In the first part of the season, Shades tries to get Cottonmouth to stop extorting Harlem businesses as retaliation against Luke, since such an act makes Cottonmouth look weak. The move in fact backfires by making Luke's name ring out even more.
4th Jan '17 4:31:17 PM TudorRose
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* Rebecca Reisert's novel ''The Third Witch'', a retelling of ''{{Theatre/Macbeth}}'', focuses on a girl called Gilly who is obsessed with avenging the death of her father. He had been murdered by Macbeth, who [[spoiler:then married Gilly's mother, the future Lady Macbeth]]. Gilly is so focused on her goal that she does not care if she dies, nor if she hurts others in the effort. She even relinquishes her entire identity, proclaiming "I have made my life an arrow, and his heart is my home". In the end, [[spoiler:when the moment she has been waiting for arrives and Macbeth is vulnerable before her, she abandons the opportunity to kill him in order to save the life of Pod, a young boy she befriended. It is Macduff, of course, who then defeats Macbeth; though Gilly is left in an almost catatonic state for several days because she 'failed' her mission, she eventually gains a positive outlook and begins rebuilding her life.]]

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* Rebecca Reisert's novel ''The Third Witch'', a retelling of ''{{Theatre/Macbeth}}'', focuses on is told from the perspective of a girl called Gilly who is obsessed with avenging the death of her father. He had been murdered by Macbeth, who [[spoiler:then married Gilly's mother, the future Lady Macbeth]]. Gilly is so focused on her goal that she does not care if she dies, nor if she hurts others in the effort. She even relinquishes her entire identity, proclaiming "I have made my life an arrow, and his heart is my home". In the end, [[spoiler:when the moment she has been waiting for arrives and Macbeth is vulnerable before her, she abandons the opportunity to kill him in order to save the life of Pod, a young boy she befriended. It is Macduff, of course, who then defeats Macbeth; though Gilly is left in an almost catatonic state for several days because she 'failed' her mission, she eventually gains a positive outlook and begins rebuilding her life.]]
4th Jan '17 4:26:17 PM TudorRose
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* Rebecca Reisert's novel ''The Third Witch'', a retelling of ''{{Theatre/Macbeth}}'', focuses on a girl called Gilly who is obsessed with avenging the death of her father. He had been murdered by Macbeth, who [[spoiler:then married Gilly's mother, the future Lady Macbeth]]. Gilly is so focused on her goal that she does not care if she dies, nor if she hurts others in the effort. She even relinquishes her entire identity, proclaiming "I have made my life an arrow, and his heart is my home". In the end, [[spoiler:when the moment she has been waiting for arrives and Macbeth is vulnerable before her, she abandons the opportunity to kill him in order to save the life of Pod, a young boy she befriended. It is Macduff, of course, who then defeats Macbeth; though Gilly is left in an almost catatonic state for several days because she 'failed' her mission, she eventually gains a positive outlook and begins rebuilding her life.]]
31st Dec '16 2:52:16 PM flodoris
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* Sasuke Uchiha of ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' has allowed revenge to motivate almost every single action he takes. ''Everything'' he does in the first half and most of the second half of ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' is done to become strong enough to face Itachi, the older brother responsible for killing his entire family. These actions include charging in half-cocked to fight Itachi when he was nowhere near ready, getting excessively jealous when a "failure" starts surpassing him, FaceHeelTurn-ing to the enemy, ''killing'' said enemy and absorbing his powers, and gathering his own team to help him. You would think that Sasuke might chill out a tiny bit after he finally succeeds, but nooooo. When Sasuke learns [[spoiler: his (now late) older brother did everything he did for ''Sasuke's'' sake]], he sets out on a ''whole new'' rampage of revenge, this one [[spoiler:directed at the Leaf Village itself and the current aspirant for Hokage (Danzo) in particular. You know it's bad when Danzo, not exactly a saint himself, calls him on it and has a valid point.]] Gets even worse when he abandons his new team because he's too impatient to wait for them to catch up, and [[spoiler:stabs through Karin simply because Danzo took her hostage and it was too much effort on his part to help her. Remember, she is his only medic at this point.]] There's a big reason why [[Pantheon/{{Emotion}} Sasuke is the God of this trope]]... or at least ''was once a big reason''[[note]]The Pantheon is looking for replacement God.[[/note]] [[spoiler:due to several other CharacterDevelopment that causes him to ''finally'' stop pursuing revenge too much and becomes a good guy again... but the final arc seems to reveal it to be a BaitTheDog moment and in a way, he may still be keeping the position well enough. Eventually after learning the truth about the Uchiha, he figures, ''the world'' might as well be his revenge and focuses on trying to change it to his will. This kid just will not let it drop.]]
** Weirdly, he intends to keep a promise he made to Naruto about his revenge, [[spoiler: namely that he'll fight and kill Naruto first, to the exclusion of all others.]]

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* Sasuke Uchiha of ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' has allowed revenge to motivate almost every single action he takes. ''Everything'' he does in the first half and most of the second half of ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' is done to become strong enough to face Itachi, the older brother responsible for killing his entire family. These actions include charging in half-cocked to fight Itachi when he was nowhere near ready, getting excessively jealous when a "failure" starts surpassing him, FaceHeelTurn-ing to the enemy, ''killing'' said enemy and absorbing his powers, and gathering his own team to help him. You would think that Sasuke might chill out a tiny bit after he finally succeeds, but nooooo. When Sasuke learns [[spoiler: his (now late) older brother did everything he did for ''Sasuke's'' sake]], sake, he sets out on a ''whole new'' rampage of revenge, this one [[spoiler:directed directed at the Leaf Village itself and the current aspirant for Hokage (Danzo) in particular. You know it's bad when Danzo, not exactly a saint himself, calls him on it and has a valid point.]] Gets even worse when he abandons his new team because he's too impatient to wait for them to catch up, and [[spoiler:stabs stabs through Karin simply because Danzo took her hostage and it was too much effort on his part to help her. Remember, she is his only medic at this point.]] There's a big reason why [[Pantheon/{{Emotion}} Sasuke is the God of this trope]]... or at least ''was once a big reason''[[note]]The Pantheon is looking for replacement God.[[/note]] He becoming better [[spoiler:due to several other CharacterDevelopment that causes him to ''finally'' stop pursuing revenge too much and becomes a good guy again... but the final arc seems to reveal it to be a BaitTheDog moment and in a way, he may still be keeping the position well enough. Eventually after learning the truth about the Uchiha, he figures, ''the world'' might as well be his revenge and focuses on trying to change it to his will. This kid just will not let it drop.]]
** Weirdly, he intends to keep a promise he made to Naruto about his revenge, [[spoiler: namely that he'll fight and kill Naruto first, to the exclusion of all others.]]



** To his credit, Naruto himself has done everything in his power to ''avert'' this. Despite his own desire for revenge on Pain for [[spoiler:killing Jiraiya, ''temporarily'' Kakashi, as well as killing many Leaf Villagers]], Naruto is able to rein in his feelings and instead ultimately wins without killing him [[spoiler:which pays off ''far'' better]]. Not long after he tries to get the Raikage to not try and kill Sasuke for attacking his brother.
** Speaking of which, the Raikage is perfectly willing to ''[[spoiler:lose an arm (and a leg, but was stopped before that could happen)]]'' to achieve his revenge.
*** However, he subverts/averts it later when [[spoiler:he learns his brother is okay, and apparently decides to forget about Sasuke entirely]].
** Subverted with [[spoiler:Tobi. After he saw Kakashi kill Rin, presumably forced by something Mist ninja had done to her, he utterly slaughtered the Mist shinobi... but he did not touch Kakashi, declaring he no longer cares for his ex-teammate]].

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** To his credit, Naruto himself has done everything in his power to ''avert'' this. Despite his own desire for revenge on Pain for [[spoiler:killing killing Jiraiya, ''temporarily'' Kakashi, as well as killing many Leaf Villagers]], Villagers, Naruto is able to rein in his feelings and instead ultimately wins without killing him [[spoiler:which which pays off ''far'' better]].better. Not long after he tries to get the Raikage to not try and kill Sasuke for attacking his brother.
** Speaking of which, the Raikage is perfectly willing to ''[[spoiler:lose ''lose an arm (and a leg, but was stopped before that could happen)]]'' happen)'' to achieve his revenge.
*** However, he subverts/averts it later when [[spoiler:he he learns his brother is okay, and apparently decides to forget about Sasuke entirely]].
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** Subverted with [[spoiler:Tobi.[[spoiler:Obito. After he saw Kakashi kill Rin, presumably forced by something Mist ninja had done to her, he utterly slaughtered the Mist shinobi... but he did not touch Kakashi, declaring he no longer cares for his ex-teammate]].
29th Dec '16 6:24:56 AM SirVancelot131
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*** Lord Dregg, the BigBad of the final two seasons, falls into this too by the last episode, being more concerned with destroying the Turtles as payback for them ruining numerous plans of his than his plans for world domination.
27th Dec '16 9:30:44 AM Discar
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* In the ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' episode [[Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS2E2HeavyIsTheHead "Heavy is the Head"]], Lance Hunter desperatly wants revenge of Carl Creel, a supervillain responsible for the deaths of his friends. On a survillence mission, he betrays the rest of his team, [[StunGuns shooting them unconscious]], then goes out and confronts Creel alone. This ends with his nearly being killed, a third party stealing a powerful and dangerous artefact, and Agent May having a grudge against him...

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* In the ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' episode [[Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS2E2HeavyIsTheHead "Heavy is the Head"]], Lance Hunter desperatly desperately wants revenge of Carl Creel, a supervillain responsible for the deaths of his friends. On a survillence mission, he betrays the rest of his team, [[StunGuns shooting them unconscious]], then goes out and confronts Creel alone. This ends with his nearly being killed, a third party stealing a powerful and dangerous artefact, and Agent May having a grudge against him...him. [[OneManArmy That last one is agreed to have been the worst part]].
-->'''Hunter:''' She's the type to hold a grudge?\\
'''Coulson:''' Savors it, actually.



* In Season 2 of ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'', [[Comicbook/BlackCanary Sara]] is obsessed with killing Damian Darhk whenever they encounter him in timeline, since he will one day [[spoiler: murder her sister [[Comicbook/BlackCanary Laurel]]]], to the point where she will thoughtlessly abandon any mission the Legends happen to be on for the smallest chance to kill him. To make things worse, Darhk is destined [[spoiler: to be killed by GreenArrow in 2016]], so killing him in the past would cause massive damage to the timeline, and damage to the timeline is the very thing the [[TimePolice Legends]] are trying to ''prevent''.

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In Season 2 of ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'', 2, [[Comicbook/BlackCanary Sara]] is obsessed with killing Damian Darhk whenever they encounter him in timeline, since he will one day [[spoiler: murder her sister [[Comicbook/BlackCanary Laurel]]]], to the point where she will thoughtlessly abandon any mission the Legends happen to be on for the smallest chance to kill him. To make things worse, Darhk is destined [[spoiler: to be killed by GreenArrow in 2016]], so killing him in the past would cause massive damage to the timeline, and damage to the timeline is the very thing the [[TimePolice Legends]] are trying to ''prevent''.


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* ''Series/LukeCage2016'': Diamondback's vendetta against Luke ultimately destroys his entire power base with Luke barely having to lift a finger. Shades lampshades this when Willis [[spoiler:shoots Misty in the club and turns his attempt into a hostage situation]]; it's a very, ''very'' stupid move that is unlikely to end well even in the best of circumstances. Willis bluntly says he doesn't care. He's willing to burn everything for a chance to kill Luke.
-->'''Diamondback:''' At the end of this thing, either he's dead or I am.
26th Dec '16 3:14:43 AM upupandaway42
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* In ''Series/TheFlash2014'' ChristmasEpisode [[Recap/TheFlash2014S2E9RunningToStandStill "Running to Stand Still"]], Patty, a cop, temporarily disables Comicbook/TheFlash so he can't stop her murdering the defeated and helpless Mark Mardon, the man who murdered her father. Luckily, the Flash is still able to talk her down from killing Mardon.
24th Dec '16 4:26:47 AM GigaHand
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* Just about every murder in ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' is a result of this trope. For example, Manfred von Karma's reaction to his rival pointing out an inconsistency in his argument, resulting in his first court penalty was to [[spoiler: murder said rival and raise the rival's son--Miles Edgeworth--as a prosecuting attorney obsessed with getting guilty verdicts]]. That isn't the half of it, either; the rest of his reaction is to [[spoiler:wait 15 years, then frame Edgeworth for the murder of someone related to the case. And, since Edgeworth thinks that he accidentally killed his father, even if he is acquitted, he'll confess to von Karma's crime. A third person was thought [[InsanityDefense sort-of guilty]], no one was investigating further, and von Karma would have gotten off scot-free if he didn't try to frame Edgeworth]]. Considering that this is a man who [[spoiler: walked around for 15 years with a bullet in his shoulder as part of keeping his crimes under wraps]], he propably kissed reason goodbye long before the game even started.


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* Just about every murder in ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' is a result of this trope. For example, Manfred von Karma's reaction to his rival pointing out an inconsistency in his argument, resulting in his first court penalty was to [[spoiler: murder said rival and raise the rival's son--Miles Edgeworth--as a prosecuting attorney obsessed with getting guilty verdicts]]. That isn't the half of it, either; the rest of his reaction is to [[spoiler:wait 15 years, then frame Edgeworth for the murder of someone related to the case. And, since Edgeworth thinks that he accidentally killed his father, even if he is acquitted, he'll confess to von Karma's crime. A third person was thought [[InsanityDefense sort-of guilty]], no one was investigating further, and von Karma would have gotten off scot-free if he didn't try to frame Edgeworth]]. Considering that this is a man who [[spoiler: walked around for 15 years with a bullet in his shoulder as part of keeping his crimes under wraps]], he propably kissed reason goodbye long before the game even started.
* In ''VisualNovel/DanganRonpa'', [[spoiler:Aoi Asahina]] of all people is driven to this as a result of her friend's [[spoiler:fake suicide note, which stated (falsely) that she was driven to suicide by the mistrust of her peers]], sabotaging the investigation with the intent of getting those responsible killed (as per the rules of the DeadlyGame). She doesn't seem to care that this will also kill Makoto and Kyoko, who had no part in the incident, as well as herself.
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21st Dec '16 4:20:08 PM TheSinful
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* [[https://www.fimfiction.net/story/255512/we-are-what-we-are We Are What We Are]] has Starshot. Though his reasons for getting back at the Dazzlings is understandable,(they took his wife from him and ruined his life) he goes way to far: He doesn't kill them right away in favor of letting them suffer, he's willing to hold innocent bystanders hostage, and he puts Adagio in a HopeSpot just to make sure she knows there's no way she can stop him.

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* [[https://www.fimfiction.net/story/255512/we-are-what-we-are We Are What We Are]] has Starshot. Though his reasons for getting back at the Dazzlings is understandable,(they understandable, (they took his wife from him and ruined his life) he goes way to far: He doesn't kill them right away in favor of letting them suffer, he's willing to hold innocent bystanders hostage, and he puts Adagio in a HopeSpot just to make sure she knows there's no way she can stop him.
12th Dec '16 8:01:15 PM Bugfragged
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** Izuna Uchiha uses his dying breath to convince his brother, Madara, to refuse Hashirama Senju's offer of a truce in favor of continuing to avenge their fellow Uchiha. Sadly, he didn't seem to acknowledge that accepting the truce would both give him a chance to survive through Hashirama's powerful medical jutsu and prevent his clansmen from dying needlessly in more wars with the Senju clan. As a result, he dies of his wounds and Madara ends up becoming an even worse example of this trope, to the point of continuing the war even when other members of their clan wanted to give up.
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