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11th Sep '17 3:28:43 PM Doug86
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* One of ''ComicBook/TheFantasticFour'''s oldest enemies (the first, in fact) was the Mole Man. After years of trying to gain revenge against civilization for neglecting him by leading the giant beasts of Monster Island against cities, he decided he was tired of it, and retired from villainy. (For the most part. While he's had enough of being in the limelight, things tend to happen that drag him back into it from time to time....)

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* One of ''ComicBook/TheFantasticFour'''s the ComicBook/FantasticFour's oldest enemies (the first, in fact) was the Mole Man. After years of trying to gain revenge against civilization for neglecting him by leading the giant beasts of Monster Island against cities, he decided he was tired of it, and retired from villainy. (For the most part. While he's had enough of being in the limelight, things tend to happen that drag him back into it from time to time....)
8th Sep '17 12:39:59 PM SeptimusHeap
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8th Aug '17 2:53:01 PM ChaoticNovelist
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There's a common stock character, the grizzled old guy with a wealth of experience who'll share his views with a travelling band or bold young rookie. There's no more adventuring for this old timer. He's seen it all, done some good, maybe done some bad; but overall he has earned the right to put his troubles behind him in his twilight years. He may be the CoolOldGuy or OldMaster. Perhaps if life really got him down, he'll be a GrumpyOldMan, and if someone manages to rub him up the old way you'll see he's a BadassGrandpa, but it's unlikely since some haunting experience makes him disinclined to take up arms again.

'''[[WellThisIsNotThatTrope This is not that guy.]]'''

The Retired Monster may look like that archetype but his past is full of evil and atrocity and he's okay with it. In fact, he caused most of it. When you first see him, he'll come across as AffablyEvil ''at best''; he'll also have experience and advice that he might give out to a young hero, although possibly the best he can do is "You should stay away from people like me". However, he'll be creepier than the other guy, and he'll tempt the young ones, giving them advice more on the cynical side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. You see, he's not doing any gross evil acts now -- he may not have done so much as run a red light in the past ten years -- but that's only because he's tired. As the backstory of this character becomes known, we learn that they [[KickTheDog kicked the dog]] a number of times, perhaps took a hopscotch over the MoralEventHorizon, only stopping because for some reason they got sick of it.

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There's a common stock character, the grizzled old guy with a wealth of experience who'll share his views with a travelling band or bold young rookie. There's no more adventuring for this old timer. He's seen it all, done some good, maybe done some bad; but overall he has earned the right to put his troubles behind him in his twilight years. He may be the CoolOldGuy or OldMaster. Perhaps if life really got him down, he'll be a GrumpyOldMan, and if someone manages to rub him up the old way you'll see he's a BadassGrandpa, but it's unlikely since some haunting experience makes him disinclined to take up arms again.

'''[[WellThisIsNotThatTrope This is not that guy.]]'''


The Retired Monster may look like that archetype but his Monster's past is full of evil and atrocity and he's okay with it. In fact, he caused most of it. When you first see him, he'll come across as AffablyEvil ''at best''; he'll also have experience and advice that he might give out to a young hero, although possibly the best he can do is "You should stay away from people like me". However, he'll be creepier than the other guy, and he'll tempt the young ones, giving them advice more on the cynical side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. You see, he's not doing any gross evil acts now -- he may not have done so much as run a red light in the past ten years -- but that's only because he's tired. As the backstory of this character becomes known, we learn that they [[KickTheDog kicked the dog]] a number of times, perhaps took a hopscotch over the MoralEventHorizon, only stopping because for some reason they got sick of it.



It's not rare for this kind of characters to produce [[JackTheRipoff copycat villains]], either out of genuine admiration, or because said villains are trying to throw the authorities off track by blaming the Retired Monster for their crimes. Usually the Retired Monster is less than amused about this, and he will go straight back into action to either [[GottaKillThemAll dispose of these guys personally]] or to help the heroes into apprehend them, as a way to "clean" his name of crimes he didn't commit.

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It's not rare for this kind of characters to produce [[JackTheRipoff copycat villains]], either out of genuine admiration, or because said villains are trying to throw the authorities off track by blaming the Retired Monster for their crimes. Usually the Retired Monster is less than amused about this, and he will go straight back into action to either [[GottaKillThemAll dispose of these guys personally]] or to help the heroes into apprehend them, as a way to "clean" his name of crimes he didn't commit.
commit. In any case, he has bucket loads of VillainCred.
8th Aug '17 7:10:06 AM JamesAustin
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* Duncan from ''Series/{{Highlander}}: The Series'' is surprised that his friend [[spoiler:and [[CynicalMentor Cynical]] / BigBrotherMentor Methos is one of these. Back in [[TimeAbyss The Bronze Age]] Methos joined with 3 other immortals to form a marauding pack that killed and burned their way through the world. (Inspiring the idea of TheFourHorsemen along the way; Methos himself was ''Death'').]] Although [[spoiler:Methos]] never says that he's sorry, he is more guilty about his actions than most, calling those years his "angry adolescence" (this was after all 5000 years ago), and [[spoiler:when Kronos, another member of the Horsemen tries to get group together again, Methos plays them and helps Duncan bring them down from the inside]].

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* Duncan from ''Series/{{Highlander}}: The Series'' is surprised that his friend [[spoiler:and [[CynicalMentor Cynical]] / BigBrotherMentor Methos is one of these. Back in [[TimeAbyss The Bronze Age]] Methos joined with 3 other immortals to form a marauding pack that killed and burned their way through the world. (Inspiring the idea of TheFourHorsemen the HorsemenOfTheApocalypse along the way; Methos himself was ''Death'').]] Although [[spoiler:Methos]] never says that he's sorry, he is more guilty about his actions than most, calling those years his "angry adolescence" (this was after all 5000 years ago), and [[spoiler:when Kronos, another member of the Horsemen tries to get group together again, Methos plays them and helps Duncan bring them down from the inside]].
20th Jul '17 1:08:41 PM Linda58
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* Season 12 of ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' reveals the existence of the Princes of Hell, the first generation of demons created after [[MonsterProgenitor Lilith]], who were meant to act as Hell's generals. Azazel, the BigBad of the first two seasons, was one of them, but the other three (Ramiel, Asmodeus, and Dagon) view him as having been a fanatic, as they themselves have long since grown disillusioned with Lucifer's war with Heaven. Since then, they've all lived in comfortable retirement.

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* Season 12 of ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' reveals the existence of the Princes of Hell, the first generation of demons created after [[MonsterProgenitor Lilith]], who were meant to act as Hell's generals. Azazel, the BigBad of the first two seasons, was one of them, but the other three (Ramiel, Asmodeus, and Dagon) view him as having been a fanatic, as they themselves have long since grown disillusioned with Lucifer's war with Heaven. Since then, they've all lived in comfortable retirement. That being said, Ramiel still takes the occasional VirginSacrifice, and he mentions that Asmodeus has "hobbies" and Dagon has "toys" (this is never elaborated on...which is probably for the best) so how retired they are is debatable.
29th Jun '17 11:10:20 PM Tehrannotaur
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The Retired Monster may look like that archetype but his past is full of evil and atrocity and he's okay with it. In fact, he caused most of it. When you first see him, he'll come across as AffablyEvil; he'll also have experience and advice that he might give out to a young hero, although possibly the best he can do is "You should stay away from people like me". However, he'll be creepier than the other guy, and he'll tempt the young ones, giving them advice more on the cynical side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. You see, he's not doing any gross evil acts now -- he may not have done so much as run a red light in the past ten years -- but that's only because he's tired. As the backstory of this character becomes known, we learn that they [[KickTheDog kicked the dog]] a number of times, perhaps took a hopscotch over the MoralEventHorizon, only stopping because for some reason they got sick of it.

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The Retired Monster may look like that archetype but his past is full of evil and atrocity and he's okay with it. In fact, he caused most of it. When you first see him, he'll come across as AffablyEvil; AffablyEvil ''at best''; he'll also have experience and advice that he might give out to a young hero, although possibly the best he can do is "You should stay away from people like me". However, he'll be creepier than the other guy, and he'll tempt the young ones, giving them advice more on the cynical side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. You see, he's not doing any gross evil acts now -- he may not have done so much as run a red light in the past ten years -- but that's only because he's tired. As the backstory of this character becomes known, we learn that they [[KickTheDog kicked the dog]] a number of times, perhaps took a hopscotch over the MoralEventHorizon, only stopping because for some reason they got sick of it.
24th Jun '17 1:06:56 AM Koveras
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* In ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic II'', [[spoiler:Kreia. Once a Sith Master, she taught the two [[BigBad Sith Lords]] currently hunting the player. Throughout the game she insists she is AboveGoodandEvil but her teachings of individualism and control inevitably lead toward the Dark Side. Eventually she comes out of retirement and becomes the final boss]].
** Mandalore counts, though he doesn't "mentor" you as much as the other one. He does share his cynical world view with you though and has no regrets about the violence he has partaken in.

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* In ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic II'', ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicII'', [[spoiler:Kreia. Once a Sith Master, she taught the two [[BigBad Sith Lords]] currently hunting the player. Throughout the game she insists she is AboveGoodandEvil but her teachings of individualism and control inevitably lead toward the Dark Side. Eventually she comes out of retirement and becomes the final boss]].
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boss]]. Mandalore also counts, though he doesn't "mentor" you as much as the other one. He does share his cynical world view with you though and has no regrets about the violence he has partaken in.



* In ''VideoGame/JadeEmpire'', [[spoiler:Sagacious Zu used to be a Lotus Assassin.]] Even though he quit over a case of PragmaticVillainy ([[spoiler:he was ordered to [[AndYourLittleDogToo kill the family of the emperor's brother as a punitive action]], which he argued was pointlessly cruel]]), he seems to have no regrets about any of the other things he did up until that point.

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* In ''VideoGame/JadeEmpire'', ''VideoGame/JadeEmpire'':
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[[spoiler:Sagacious Zu used to be a Lotus Assassin.]] Even though he quit over a case of PragmaticVillainy ([[spoiler:he was ordered to [[AndYourLittleDogToo kill the family of the emperor's brother as a punitive action]], which he argued was pointlessly cruel]]), he seems to have no regrets about any of the other things he did up until that point.
22nd Jun '17 1:42:28 PM LadyJaneGrey
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** The Tinkerer gave up committing crimes himself after he barely survived a story where his RobbotBuddy Toy was destroyed. He still works as a weapons supplier to any supervillain (and shadier hero) willing to pay.

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** The Tinkerer gave up committing crimes himself after he barely survived a story where his RobbotBuddy RobotBuddy Toy was destroyed. He still works as a weapons supplier to any supervillain (and shadier hero) willing to pay.
22nd Jun '17 1:42:07 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* Franchise/SpiderMan foe Roderick Kingsley aka Hobgoblin (pictured above) has a tendency to go in and out of retirement from supervillainy for months or years at a time during which he enjoys his ill-gotten gains. Every now and then he goes back to being Hobgoblin, usually to defend his villain cred.

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* Franchise/SpiderMan Franchise/{{Spider-Man}}
** The Tinkerer gave up committing crimes himself after he barely survived a story where his RobbotBuddy Toy was destroyed. He still works as a weapons supplier to any supervillain (and shadier hero) willing to pay.
** Another Spider-Man
foe that fits is Roderick Kingsley aka Hobgoblin (pictured above) has a tendency to go in and out of retirement from supervillainy for months or years at a time during which he enjoys his ill-gotten gains. Every now and then he goes back to being Hobgoblin, usually to defend his villain cred.
12th Jun '17 1:55:11 PM xcountryguy
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* [[spoiler: Madara]] from ''{{Naruto}}'' went into hiding after defeat by [[spoiler:Hashirama]]. When he took in [[spoiler:Obito]], he was a one-eyed, decrepit man kept alive only due to a life support system he had jury-rigged from an experiment. He seemed largely uninterested in the outside world and was even helpful. [[spoiler:In fact he had spent the last few decades preparing his big comeback and Obito was just the final piece in his plan]].

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* [[spoiler: Madara]] [[spoiler:Madara]] from ''{{Naruto}}'' went into hiding after defeat by [[spoiler:Hashirama]]. When he took in [[spoiler:Obito]], he was a one-eyed, decrepit man kept alive only due to a life support system he had jury-rigged from an experiment. He seemed largely uninterested in the outside world and was even helpful. [[spoiler:In fact he had spent the last few decades preparing his big comeback and Obito was just the final piece in his plan]].



** During the Buu saga, he makes this speech about how he ''wanted'' to go back to the days when he was a cold-hearted, ruthless brute who thought of nothing but causing pain and suffering to others. An episode earlier, when he [[spoiler: becomes Majin]], he proclaims to the Supreme Kai, "No! I am not innocent!" He knows he was an evil monster once and wishes to let that monster inside him lose again.
*** This is because he feels he's gone "soft" and that he could--and should--be stronger than he is. By returning to the old state of mind, he believes he'd be able to use his full power. There is a bit of a subversion however, ironically enough, [[spoiler: when Porunga was asked to revive all those on earth who aren't pure evil, Vegeta is resurrected. [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre He then appears genuinely stunned at just what that means]].]]
* [[spoiler: Aya's mother]] in ''Anime/MasterOfMartialHearts''. [[spoiler: A former DarkActionGirl, she used to partake in a girls-only StreetFighter Expy, under the direction of her husband-to-be. Doesn't help the fact that the girls she beat up and defeated ended up tortured, maimed and sold into {{sex slave}}ry (Like it happened to Natsume's CuteMute mother). However, with the ''Platonic Heart'' closed for the time being, she settled as your average, [[MamaBear if slightly overprotective]] mom, raising her daughter. Under the mask, she's still as plucky and dangerous as she used to be]].
* Lucy from ''Manga/ElfenLied''. [[spoiler: In the years'-long era between her killings of [[KidsAreCruel Tomoo and his subordinates]] and her capture by the Diclonius Research Institute, she killed Kouta's sister and father out of a hissy fit of jealousy when Kouta lied to her about his cousin's gender (even if he explicitly told her about his cousin's real gender, someone was bound to be dead, anyway) and caused a series of heart attacks across Kamakura while infecting males with the Diclonius virus. While she does feel guilty (deep down inside) about the murders of Kouta's father and sister and tries to [[TheAtoner atone]] for it, when she comes out of retirement ([[RRatedOpening by slaughtering several Diclonius Research Institute personnel]]), she proves herself that she's still excessively murderous... [[KickTheSonOfABitch not that those Research Institute personnel didn't have it coming]]. Yeah, it's that kinda series, where being locked up in a TailorMadePrison that frankly has "Nazi Concentration Camp expy" written all over it is bound to mess one up (more than what she already was)]]. She ''does'' get better at the end, via limiting most of her murders to people that actually deserve it.

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** During the Buu saga, he makes this speech about how he ''wanted'' to go back to the days when he was a cold-hearted, ruthless brute who thought of nothing but causing pain and suffering to others. An episode earlier, when he [[spoiler: becomes [[spoiler:becomes Majin]], he proclaims to the Supreme Kai, "No! I am not innocent!" He knows he was an evil monster once and wishes to let that monster inside him lose again.
*** This is because he feels he's gone "soft" and that he could--and should--be stronger than he is. By returning to the old state of mind, he believes he'd be able to use his full power. There is a bit of a subversion however, ironically enough, [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when Porunga was asked to revive all those on earth who aren't pure evil, Vegeta is resurrected. [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre He then appears genuinely stunned at just what that means]].]]
* [[spoiler: Aya's [[spoiler:Aya's mother]] in ''Anime/MasterOfMartialHearts''. [[spoiler: A [[spoiler:A former DarkActionGirl, she used to partake in a girls-only StreetFighter Expy, under the direction of her husband-to-be. Doesn't help the fact that the girls she beat up and defeated ended up tortured, maimed and sold into {{sex slave}}ry (Like it happened to Natsume's CuteMute mother). However, with the ''Platonic Heart'' closed for the time being, she settled as your average, [[MamaBear if slightly overprotective]] mom, raising her daughter. Under the mask, she's still as plucky and dangerous as she used to be]].
* Lucy from ''Manga/ElfenLied''. [[spoiler: In [[spoiler:In the years'-long era between her killings of [[KidsAreCruel Tomoo and his subordinates]] and her capture by the Diclonius Research Institute, she killed Kouta's sister and father out of a hissy fit of jealousy when Kouta lied to her about his cousin's gender (even if he explicitly told her about his cousin's real gender, someone was bound to be dead, anyway) and caused a series of heart attacks across Kamakura while infecting males with the Diclonius virus. While she does feel guilty (deep down inside) about the murders of Kouta's father and sister and tries to [[TheAtoner atone]] for it, when she comes out of retirement ([[RRatedOpening by slaughtering several Diclonius Research Institute personnel]]), she proves herself that she's still excessively murderous... [[KickTheSonOfABitch not that those Research Institute personnel didn't have it coming]]. Yeah, it's that kinda series, where being locked up in a TailorMadePrison that frankly has "Nazi Concentration Camp expy" written all over it is bound to mess one up (more than what she already was)]]. She ''does'' get better at the end, via limiting most of her murders to people that actually deserve it.



* In ''Manga/BlackLagoon'', Dutch discovers that their employer on the submarine job is actually [[spoiler: a retired SS officer who set them up on a collision course with the Neo Nazis in order to test the Neo-Nazis. Since they all died, he considers them to have failed the test]].

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* In ''Manga/BlackLagoon'', Dutch discovers that their employer on the submarine job is actually [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a retired SS officer who set them up on a collision course with the Neo Nazis in order to test the Neo-Nazis. Since they all died, he considers them to have failed the test]].



* In ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'', Gunther Hahn, the Angel of Death and, at the end of the story, [[spoiler: the Saint of Killers]] all qualify.

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* In ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'', Gunther Hahn, the Angel of Death and, at the end of the story, [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Saint of Killers]] all qualify.



** Pai Mei, an ancient Kung Fu master with a history of atrocities and bloodshed, who sports an unpleasantly racist and sexist worldview, along with the knowledge that he can do anything to anyone without fear, since he is just too tough and skilled to die. [[spoiler:Until Elle Driver poisons his fish heads in retaliation for snatching out her eye, that is.]] Ironically, Bill thinks that he's getting lonely because everybody is too frightened to approach him, and that's why he accepts apprentices he despises, even though it doesn't stop him from abusing them as much as he likes. Even more ironically, despite being a chauvinist who hates Americans, the Bride (an American woman) becomes his best student, and the only one he is willing to teach his [[TouchOfDeath most powerful technique]] to. She even starts to love him like a father, [[spoiler: and eventually avenges his death by tearing out Ellie's other eye and leaving her to die in the desert.]]

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** Pai Mei, an ancient Kung Fu master with a history of atrocities and bloodshed, who sports an unpleasantly racist and sexist worldview, along with the knowledge that he can do anything to anyone without fear, since he is just too tough and skilled to die. [[spoiler:Until Elle Driver poisons his fish heads in retaliation for snatching out her eye, that is.]] Ironically, Bill thinks that he's getting lonely because everybody is too frightened to approach him, and that's why he accepts apprentices he despises, even though it doesn't stop him from abusing them as much as he likes. Even more ironically, despite being a chauvinist who hates Americans, the Bride (an American woman) becomes his best student, and the only one he is willing to teach his [[TouchOfDeath most powerful technique]] to. She even starts to love him like a father, [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and eventually avenges his death by tearing out Ellie's other eye and leaving her to die in the desert.]]



* Yoon Tae-goo "The Weird" of ''Film/TheGoodTheBadTheWeird'' turns out to be one of these. [[spoiler: Part of the reason Park Do-won, "The Good", is hunting Park Chang-yi, "The Bad" (no relation) is because he believes Chang-yi is this notorious bandit known as the "[[{{fingore}} Finger Chopper]]". While Chang-yi is a total psycho, it's ultimately revealed that Tae-goo was the Finger Chopper and Chang-yi lost a finger to him.]] This reveal probably has a lot to do with Tae-goo being an Expy of Tuco of ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly'', right down to the similar names, and in both cases, the seemingly comic relief character has a rap sheet of some seriously awful crimes. The main difference between these two is that in "Weird", Chang-yi is more than just a one dimensional villain who makes Tae-goo look ''worse'' in comparison.

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* Yoon Tae-goo "The Weird" of ''Film/TheGoodTheBadTheWeird'' turns out to be one of these. [[spoiler: Part [[spoiler:Part of the reason Park Do-won, "The Good", is hunting Park Chang-yi, "The Bad" (no relation) is because he believes Chang-yi is this notorious bandit known as the "[[{{fingore}} Finger Chopper]]". While Chang-yi is a total psycho, it's ultimately revealed that Tae-goo was the Finger Chopper and Chang-yi lost a finger to him.]] This reveal probably has a lot to do with Tae-goo being an Expy of Tuco of ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly'', right down to the similar names, and in both cases, the seemingly comic relief character has a rap sheet of some seriously awful crimes. The main difference between these two is that in "Weird", Chang-yi is more than just a one dimensional villain who makes Tae-goo look ''worse'' in comparison.



* [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by a nurse speculating about her patient's past history in Creator/DouglasAdams's ''Literature/TheLongDarkTeaTimeOfTheSoul'', though [[spoiler: Odin]] later comes off as more of a trickster than anything else.

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* [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by a nurse speculating about her patient's past history in Creator/DouglasAdams's ''Literature/TheLongDarkTeaTimeOfTheSoul'', though [[spoiler: Odin]] [[spoiler:Odin]] later comes off as more of a trickster than anything else.



* One character from Literature/TheCulture [[spoiler: Zakalawe, of ''Literature/UseOfWeapons'']] turns out to be one of these. Once essentially an EvilOverlord, who commmited acts of mass murder and was crazy enough to [[spoiler: [[MoralEventHorizon create a chair from his half-sister/lover's corpse and then darn the cushions with her skin]]]]. However, he ends up [[BeingEvilSucks hating what he did]], and going through a bunch of mental breakdowns before ultimately becoming BoredWithInsanity enough to present himself as relatively decent (if amusingly sociopathic) person. He does lean in the direction of TheAtoner, but is sort of in too much denial to make it.

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* One character from Literature/TheCulture [[spoiler: Zakalawe, [[spoiler:Zakalawe, of ''Literature/UseOfWeapons'']] turns out to be one of these. Once essentially an EvilOverlord, who commmited acts of mass murder and was crazy enough to [[spoiler: [[MoralEventHorizon [[spoiler:[[MoralEventHorizon create a chair from his half-sister/lover's corpse and then darn the cushions with her skin]]]]. However, he ends up [[BeingEvilSucks hating what he did]], and going through a bunch of mental breakdowns before ultimately becoming BoredWithInsanity enough to present himself as relatively decent (if amusingly sociopathic) person. He does lean in the direction of TheAtoner, but is sort of in too much denial to make it.



** In one episode the protagonists meet a Cardassian with a similar background, being the brutal camp commandant of a forced labour camp, brazenly flaunting his guilt... or was he? [[spoiler: Turns out he was merely a filing clerk who had assumed his identity, having been driven mad with guilt for all the atrocities committed there. His goal was to be executed as penance for never speaking out against the brutality, and to shine a light unwanted by the Cardassian government on the atrocities committed]].

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** In one episode the protagonists meet a Cardassian with a similar background, being the brutal camp commandant of a forced labour camp, brazenly flaunting his guilt... or was he? [[spoiler: Turns [[spoiler:Turns out he was merely a filing clerk who had assumed his identity, having been driven mad with guilt for all the atrocities committed there. His goal was to be executed as penance for never speaking out against the brutality, and to shine a light unwanted by the Cardassian government on the atrocities committed]].



*** The show hints that he's been hiding [[LaResistance dissident]] sympathies. When trapped between obeying the state (killing them) or letting them go free he acknowledges it's against his better judgement to oppose them and eventually lets them go free. It's not the last time he helps dissidents either, [[spoiler: much to the consternation of an old Obsidian Order colleague of his.]]

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*** The show hints that he's been hiding [[LaResistance dissident]] sympathies. When trapped between obeying the state (killing them) or letting them go free he acknowledges it's against his better judgement to oppose them and eventually lets them go free. It's not the last time he helps dissidents either, [[spoiler: much [[spoiler:much to the consternation of an old Obsidian Order colleague of his.]]



*** When he is ordered to torture a captured prisoner [[spoiler:Odo]], he's uncomfortable with the idea but carries it through. [[spoiler:He succeeds in torturing himself almost as much as he tortures Odo, ''begging'' Odo to give him even the smallest bit of information so he can have an excuse to stop the torture]]. Afterwards, he apologises [[spoiler: to Odo]] and from it an OddFriendship is born.

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*** When he is ordered to torture a captured prisoner [[spoiler:Odo]], he's uncomfortable with the idea but carries it through. [[spoiler:He succeeds in torturing himself almost as much as he tortures Odo, ''begging'' Odo to give him even the smallest bit of information so he can have an excuse to stop the torture]]. Afterwards, he apologises [[spoiler: to [[spoiler:to Odo]] and from it an OddFriendship is born.



** Enabran Tain, Garak's superior [[spoiler: and father]] and the man who ran the Obsidian Order for twenty years, is completely unrepentant of his crimes and killing whomever ''might'' be a threat (while Garak seemed to be always looking for excuses to ''not'' kill someone, Tain seemed to be looking for excuses ''to'' kill). It's his missing the old days which prompts him to actually come out of retirement and forge an alliance with the Tal Shiar to strike at the Dominion preemptively. This doesn't end well.

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** Enabran Tain, Garak's superior [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and father]] and the man who ran the Obsidian Order for twenty years, is completely unrepentant of his crimes and killing whomever ''might'' be a threat (while Garak seemed to be always looking for excuses to ''not'' kill someone, Tain seemed to be looking for excuses ''to'' kill). It's his missing the old days which prompts him to actually come out of retirement and forge an alliance with the Tal Shiar to strike at the Dominion preemptively. This doesn't end well.



* In an episode of ''Series/{{CSI}}'', a black janitor who befriended the murdered white supremacist student (who was trying to learn how to respect other races) turns out to be [[spoiler: a leader in the Rwandan genocide. The student had found a picture of him in a book and was going to turn him in when the janitor murdered him]]

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* In an episode of ''Series/{{CSI}}'', a black janitor who befriended the murdered white supremacist student (who was trying to learn how to respect other races) turns out to be [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a leader in the Rwandan genocide. The student had found a picture of him in a book and was going to turn him in when the janitor murdered him]]



* In ''Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles'', [[spoiler:Charles Fischer]] came back from a future in which he helped the machines to understand humans by torturing them to get inside their heads. He claims that he was sent back to the past as a reward for his services, and doesn't do anything particularly malicious. [[spoiler: Subverted at the end when it's revealed that he accessed a computer system at his younger self's place of work in order to aid [=SkyNet=].]]
** [[spoiler: Also to ensure his past self is in position to become him.]]

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* In ''Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles'', [[spoiler:Charles Fischer]] came back from a future in which he helped the machines to understand humans by torturing them to get inside their heads. He claims that he was sent back to the past as a reward for his services, and doesn't do anything particularly malicious. [[spoiler: Subverted [[spoiler:Subverted at the end when it's revealed that he accessed a computer system at his younger self's place of work in order to aid [=SkyNet=].]]
** [[spoiler: Also [[spoiler:Also to ensure his past self is in position to become him.]]



* On ''Series/RookieBlue'' Jamie Brennan was a feared ganglang enforcer who was infamous for using power tools to torture his victims. After a small stint in jail on relatively petty charges, he got married and went straight. When his family is killed in a suspicious car accident [[spoiler: he kidnaps and tortures an undercover police officer to find out if the police were covering up what really happened.]]

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* On ''Series/RookieBlue'' Jamie Brennan was a feared ganglang enforcer who was infamous for using power tools to torture his victims. After a small stint in jail on relatively petty charges, he got married and went straight. When his family is killed in a suspicious car accident [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he kidnaps and tortures an undercover police officer to find out if the police were covering up what really happened.]]



* How some of the older members of the mob end their careers in ''Series/TheSopranos'' - the lucky ones. Then again, [[spoiler: Uncle Junior's gradual descent into dementia, eventually rendering him a frail, senile husk of his former self condemned to spend the remainder of his life in a dank state-run facility unable to even recognize his family or recall his own accomplishments]] is one of the most depressing and haunting plotlines in the show.

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* How some of the older members of the mob end their careers in ''Series/TheSopranos'' - the lucky ones. Then again, [[spoiler: Uncle [[spoiler:Uncle Junior's gradual descent into dementia, eventually rendering him a frail, senile husk of his former self condemned to spend the remainder of his life in a dank state-run facility unable to even recognize his family or recall his own accomplishments]] is one of the most depressing and haunting plotlines in the show.



* Gig from ''VideoGame/SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters''. He once nearly destroyed the world. He wants a do-over, and this time, he'll spare nothing (except some hotpods, they're delicious). And he does not hide from the protagonists that this is his plan, or that taking advantage of his powers too much will release him, even though a little bit of deception would have him freed much quicker. And he's quite gung-ho about going off to kill Feinne, his former ally (though Feinne is far too powerful at this stage for them to succeed). And he'll chew you out for even suggesting he's not a bad guy. This gets played with a bit later when we find [[spoiler: he was actually BrainwashedAndCrazy and while he never reverts back to his original personality (in the Normal route at any rate) he does get enough CharacterDevelopment to pull off a HeroicSacrifice against the BigBad. And then RedemptionEqualsLife]].
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' has Flemeth, the Witch of the Wilds; infamous in legend for the countless atrocities she has committed throughout history. And the truth is even worse. [[spoiler: She has allowed a demon to possess her, killed her second husband and everyone in his castle, and gleefully slaughters anyone who tries to hunt her down. And she makes a game of it, using her five-year-old daughter as bait. She kidnaps, rapes, and murders men she finds in order to even have daughters, whom she raises just to [[GrandTheftMe use a ritual spell to take over their body so she can live forever]].]] Don't be fooled when she offers help, she is NOT a nice old lady.
* In ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic II'', [[spoiler: Kreia. Once a Sith Master, she taught the two [[BigBad Sith Lords]] currently hunting the player. Throughout the game she insists she is AboveGoodandEvil but her teachings of individualism and control inevitably lead toward the Dark Side. Eventually she comes out of retirement and becomes the final boss]].

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* Gig from ''VideoGame/SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters''. He once nearly destroyed the world. He wants a do-over, and this time, he'll spare nothing (except some hotpods, they're delicious). And he does not hide from the protagonists that this is his plan, or that taking advantage of his powers too much will release him, even though a little bit of deception would have him freed much quicker. And he's quite gung-ho about going off to kill Feinne, his former ally (though Feinne is far too powerful at this stage for them to succeed). And he'll chew you out for even suggesting he's not a bad guy. This gets played with a bit later when we find [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he was actually BrainwashedAndCrazy and while he never reverts back to his original personality (in the Normal route at any rate) he does get enough CharacterDevelopment to pull off a HeroicSacrifice against the BigBad. And then RedemptionEqualsLife]].
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' has Flemeth, the Witch of the Wilds; infamous in legend for the countless atrocities she has committed throughout history. And the truth is even worse. [[spoiler: She [[spoiler:She has allowed a demon to possess her, killed her second husband and everyone in his castle, and gleefully slaughters anyone who tries to hunt her down. And she makes a game of it, using her five-year-old daughter as bait. She kidnaps, rapes, and murders men she finds in order to even have daughters, whom she raises just to [[GrandTheftMe use a ritual spell to take over their body so she can live forever]].]] Don't be fooled when she offers help, she is NOT a nice old lady.
* In ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic II'', [[spoiler: Kreia.[[spoiler:Kreia. Once a Sith Master, she taught the two [[BigBad Sith Lords]] currently hunting the player. Throughout the game she insists she is AboveGoodandEvil but her teachings of individualism and control inevitably lead toward the Dark Side. Eventually she comes out of retirement and becomes the final boss]].



* Certainly Travis in ''VideoGame/NoMoreHeroes2DesperateStruggle''. He doesn't even remember the first assassin he killed when his brother comes for revenge. Well, he is this to a point...[[spoiler:He most likely still hasn't gotten past how he dishonored Holly Summers by not killing her in battle when she wanted such a fate.]] Otherwise, he doesn't care to get back into the games until [[spoiler:Bishop]] is killed and Sylvia "convinces" him, perfectly fine with his pathetic lifestyle. It's mainly because killing has become boring to him after killing the best of the best. He does regret [[spoiler:killing Charlie's cheerleaders]] but that and [[spoiler:Holly]] seem to be is only two regrets.

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* Certainly Travis in ''VideoGame/NoMoreHeroes2DesperateStruggle''. He doesn't even remember the first assassin he killed when his brother comes for revenge. Well, he is this to a point... [[spoiler:He most likely still hasn't gotten past how he dishonored Holly Summers by not killing her in battle when she wanted such a fate.]] Otherwise, he doesn't care to get back into the games until [[spoiler:Bishop]] is killed and Sylvia "convinces" him, perfectly fine with his pathetic lifestyle. It's mainly because killing has become boring to him after killing the best of the best. He does regret [[spoiler:killing Charlie's cheerleaders]] but that and [[spoiler:Holly]] seem to be is only two regrets.



** Dan's mother was a monster, but why she apparently stopped and how she feels about that time has not been explored. [[spoiler: And it seems she might not be so "retired" considering she sent a hit team after Abel, considered her stepdaughter acceptable collateral damage, and is plotting the genocide of the dragon species.]]

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** Dan's mother was a monster, but why she apparently stopped and how she feels about that time has not been explored. [[spoiler: And [[spoiler:And it seems she might not be so "retired" considering she sent a hit team after Abel, considered her stepdaughter acceptable collateral damage, and is plotting the genocide of the dragon species.]]



* Not all the teachers and staff at [[SuperheroSchool Whateley Academy]] in the Literature/WhateleyUniverse are retired super'''heroes'''. The story "Test Tubes Babies" ultimately reveals that one of the teachers we know is a retired supervillain and mass murderer. In "Mimeographic" we find out that [[spoiler: the first house father of the school]] was a retired evil wizard.

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* Not all the teachers and staff at [[SuperheroSchool Whateley Academy]] in the Literature/WhateleyUniverse are retired super'''heroes'''. The story "Test Tubes Babies" ultimately reveals that one of the teachers we know is a retired supervillain and mass murderer. In "Mimeographic" we find out that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the first house father of the school]] was a retired evil wizard.
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