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14th May '17 1:28:28 PM SteveMB
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See also AssPull, which is something that was not properly set up before it is sprung on the audience. It is related to DeusExMachina. Some, but [[TropesAreNotBad not all]] retcons are {{Ass Pull}}s, and a good retcon can actually improve the current narrative. A good way to get away with a retcon is to reveal new implications or motivations for events that have already been established.

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See also AssPull, which is something that was not properly set up before it is sprung on the audience.audience, and CliffhangerCopout, in which a perilous situation is retroactively changed to allow the characters to escape. It is related to DeusExMachina. Some, but [[TropesAreNotBad not all]] retcons are {{Ass Pull}}s, and a good retcon can actually improve the current narrative. A good way to get away with a retcon is to reveal new implications or motivations for events that have already been established.
22nd Apr '17 1:31:25 PM kazokuhouou
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* Early in the production of ''WebComic/SailorMoonCosmosArc'', Servant Chaos was basically Mistress 9 with a different forehead symbol. She was later retconned to keep Mistress 9's hair, but now wore Princess Saturn's dress. Dialogue was also later changed to make more clear what happened to [[spoiler: the time-traveling incarnation of Chibiusa]].
20th Apr '17 3:23:58 PM AthenaBlue
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* ''Film/TheOmen1976'' is clearly set around its release in 1976, as evidenced by the fashions and vehicles. The third film in the series, ''Film/OmenIIITheFinalConflict'', explicitly took place in 1982 and 26 years after the original, retroactively pushing the first movie's events back to 1956 (and those of the first sequel, ''Film/DamienOmenII'', to 1963).
* ''Film/{{Madeline}}'', apropos of nothing and in complete contradiction of the books the movie is ostensibly adapting, depicts Madeline as an orphan. Episodes of the AnimatedAdaptation made after the movie make this change as well.



* As stated in the page quote it isn't just the ''{{Series/Highlander}}'' series that had a lot of retcons between it in the film, even most of the ''{{Franchise/Highlander}}'' films had retcons between them.
* The ''Franchise/IndianaJones'' series has subtle examples arising from the fact that the second film takes place earlier than the first:
** In the now-iconic "shooting the swordsman" scene from ''Raiders'', the common assumption is that Indy acts on the spur of the moment, without ever having anticipated what he would do. But in ''Temple of Doom'', there's a scene that seems like a direct shout-out to the ''Raiders'' scene, in which a pair of swordsmen approach Indy, wave their swords around in a very similar manner to the fighter from ''Raiders'', and then Indy reaches for his holster only to realize it's empty. Since the movie is set a year before ''Raiders'', the implication is that this sort of situation is familiar to him and may have even happened before.
** Early in ''Raiders'' while talking to Marcus, Indy pooh-poohs belief in the supernatural. At the end of the film, of course, Indy sees directly the power of the ark. If ''Raiders'' were merely a standalone film we'd have every reason to believe Indy began the story as a skeptic and became a believer by the end. But in ''Temple of Doom'' he had another encounter with the supernatural and clearly accepted it, suggesting Indy was lying in his conversation with Marcus from ''Raiders''. One possible explanation is that he thought no one would believe him and didn't want to be viewed as a flake, but that probably wasn't the point of the scene when ''Raiders'' was originally written.
* In ''Franchise/JurassicPark'', the T-Rex didn't eat Dr. Grant because it couldn't see nonmoving objects (in the book, this was in fact a result of splicing dinosaur DNA with frog DNA). In the sequel, this was retconned to rather be that [[RightForTheWrongReasons Grant's theories on the T-Rex were wrong, and in fact it ignored him because it wasn't hungry]].
* TheReveal towards the end of ''Film/LethalWeapon2'' that the death of Riggs' wife was no accident but rather a botched attempt by the villains to kill Riggs himself back when he with Narcotics working at Long Beach.
* ''Film/{{Madeline}}'', apropos of nothing and in complete contradiction of the books the movie is ostensibly adapting, depicts Madeline as an orphan. Episodes of the AnimatedAdaptation made after the movie make this change as well.
* DiscussedTrope in ''{{Film/Misery}}'', where Annie refuses to accept the first draft of Paul's new Misery novel because it contradicts known facts -- and as his "#1 fan" she knows the books better than he does.
* ''Film/TheOmen1976'' is clearly set around its release in 1976, as evidenced by the fashions and vehicles. The third film in the series, ''Film/OmenIIITheFinalConflict'', explicitly took place in 1982 and 26 years after the original, retroactively pushing the first movie's events back to 1956 (and those of the first sequel, ''Film/DamienOmenII'', to 1963).
* In the 1995 miniseries adaptation of ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice'', Wickham says "There's one lady I shall be very loath to part from," while looking meaningfully at Lizzie, shortly before he leaves for Brighton. After he [[spoiler: elopes]], we see this line again in a flashback, followed by a meaningful look at [[spoiler: Lydia]], which definitely was not there the first time.
* In the American remake of ''Film/TheRing'', Samara was a biological child of the Morgans (at least Anna),[[note]]This is shown in some medical documents.[[/note]] yet they claimed she was adopted, possibly to hide her supernatural origin. In the sequel, though, it turns out [[spoiler: she actually ''was'' adopted by them]].
* At the end of ''Film/{{Rocky}}'', Apollo Creed tells Rocky that he has no desire for a rematch. Cut to the beginning of ''Film/RockyII'' (which takes place that same night), and Apollo is so desperate for a rematch that he tries to get Rocky to fight him in the middle of the ER they were taken to for treatment.
* ''Film/SnowWhiteAndTheHuntsman'' has Finn describe Sara's death to Eric, strongly implying that he killed her personally. ''Film/TheHuntsmanWintersWar'' not only retcons the manner of Sara's death, but it instead reveals that Eric only believed her to be dead. Finn is also completely absent in the prologue of the second movie, which retcons Ravenna into having a younger sister Freya who wasn't mentioned in the first film.



** In ''[[Film/ANewHope Episode IV]],'' Obi-Wan mentions that Anakin wanted Luke to have his lightsaber when he was old enough. However, unless Obi-Wan heard Anakin screaming something very different than what was said onscreen as he was being roasted alive on the shores of Mustafar, this is altered quite drastically in Episode III. Though some fans shrug it off with it being [[MetaphoricallyTrue From a Certain Point of View]] (it certainly would not be the only lie Obi-Wan tells Luke in this scene). Or a bit of wishful thinking ("If he'd known you existed, and if we hadn't been enemies at the end...").
** Leia mentions in her message to Obi-Wan that he served ''(her) father during the clone wars''. Except her father was a Senator by that point, and while Obi-Wan was leading the Republic's armies as a Jedi General, he never was in the service of Bail Organa. He ''did'' serve Leia's biological mother as a bodyguard however. Also, [[AuthorsSavingThrow a number of books, as well as some episodes of the animated series, have supplied scenarios]] where Obi-Wan did go into battle under Bail's command, or the two otherwise worked very closely together on one mission or another. (Prime example, ''Wild Space''). But it's not canon now.
** In turn, the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse also features innumerable amount of Retcons. However, they are generally very subtle, used to explain minor discrepancies. Though a few of them are still significant enough to affect ongoing storyline. On the other hand, many are almost something of a Butterfly Effect - a fairly small and seemingly insignificant thing that ends up causing lots of FridgeLogic in other works (or even the same one). In many cases, this is more due to a build-up of lots of these little inconsistencies that magnify each other when combined. Of note is the retcon that Palpatine and Thrawn knew the Vong were coming and told no-one.

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** In ''[[Film/ANewHope Episode IV]],'' ''Film/ANewHope'', Obi-Wan mentions that Anakin wanted Luke to have his lightsaber when he was old enough. However, unless Obi-Wan heard Anakin screaming something very different than what was said onscreen as he was being roasted alive on the shores of Mustafar, this is altered quite drastically in Episode III.''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. Though some fans shrug it off with it being [[MetaphoricallyTrue From a Certain Point of View]] (it certainly would not be the only lie Obi-Wan tells Luke in this scene). Or a bit of wishful thinking ("If he'd known you existed, and if we hadn't been enemies at the end...").
** Leia mentions in her message to Obi-Wan that he served ''(her) "served [her] father during the clone wars''.Clone Wars". Except her father was a Senator by that point, and while Obi-Wan was leading the Republic's armies as a Jedi General, he never was in the service of Bail Organa. He ''did'' serve Leia's biological mother as a bodyguard however. Also, [[AuthorsSavingThrow a number of books, as well as some episodes of the animated series, have supplied scenarios]] where Obi-Wan did go into battle under Bail's command, or the two otherwise worked very closely together on one mission or another. (Prime example, ''Wild Space''). But it's not canon now.
** In turn, the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'' (the old EU) also features an innumerable amount of Retcons. However, they are generally very subtle, used to explain minor discrepancies. Though a few of them are still significant enough to affect ongoing storyline. On the other hand, many are almost something of a Butterfly Effect - a fairly small and seemingly insignificant thing that ends up causing lots of FridgeLogic in other works (or even the same one). In many cases, this is more due to a build-up of lots of these little inconsistencies that magnify each other when combined. Of note is the retcon that Palpatine and Thrawn knew the Vong were coming and told no-one.



* TheReveal towards the end of ''Film/LethalWeapon2'' that the death of Riggs' wife was no accident but rather a botched attempt by the villains to kill Riggs himself back when he with Narcotics working at Long Beach.
* In ''Franchise/JurassicPark'', the T-Rex didn't eat Dr. Grant because it couldn't see nonmoving objects (in the book, this was in fact a result of splicing dinosaur DNA with frog DNA). In the sequel, this was retconned to rather be that [[RightForTheWrongReasons Grant's theories on the T-Rex were wrong, and in fact it ignored him because it wasn't hungry]].
* DiscussedTrope in ''{{Film/Misery}}'', where Annie refuses to accept the first draft of Paul's new Misery novel because it contradicts known facts -- and as his "#1 fan" she knows the books better than he does.

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* TheReveal towards the end of ''Film/LethalWeapon2'' ** At Celebration 2017, Creator/DaveFiloni confirmed that the death of Riggs' wife was no accident but rather a botched attempt by the villains to kill Riggs himself back when he with Narcotics working at Long Beach.
* In ''Franchise/JurassicPark'', the T-Rex didn't eat Dr. Grant because it couldn't see nonmoving objects (in the book, this was in fact a result of splicing dinosaur DNA with frog DNA). In the sequel, this was retconned to rather be
popular fan theory that [[RightForTheWrongReasons Grant's theories on [[spoiler:Captain Rex]] of ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'' and ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Rebels]]'' was a member of the T-Rex were wrong, Rebel strike team in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' would be [[AscendedFanon canonized]], thus retconning that particular soldier's previous name and in fact it ignored him because it wasn't hungry]].
* DiscussedTrope in ''{{Film/Misery}}'', where Annie refuses to accept the first draft of Paul's new Misery novel because it contradicts known facts -- and as his "#1 fan" she knows the books better than he does.
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* At the end of ''Film/{{Rocky}}'', Apollo Creed tells Rocky that he has no desire for a rematch. Cut to the beginning of ''Film/RockyII'' (which takes place that same night), and Apollo is so desperate for a rematch that he tries to get Rocky to fight him in the middle of the ER they were taken to for treatment.
* As stated in the page quote it isn't just the ''{{Series/Highlander}}'' series that had a lot of retcons between it in the film, even most of the ''{{Franchise/Highlander}}'' films had retcons between them.
* In the 1995 miniseries adaptation of ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice'', Wickham says "There's one lady I shall be very loath to part from," while looking meaningfully at Lizzie, shortly before he leaves for Brighton. After he [[spoiler: elopes]], we see this line again in a flashback, followed by a meaningful look at [[spoiler: Lydia]], which definitely was not there the first time.
* In the American remake of [[Film/TheRing The Ring]], Samara was a biological child of the Morgans (at least Anna),[[note]]This is shown in some medical documents.[[/note]] yet they claimed she was adopted, possibly to hide her supernatural origin. In the sequel, though, it turns out [[spoiler: she actually ''was'' adopted by them]].



* ''Film/SnowWhiteAndTheHuntsman'' has Finn describe Sara's death to Eric, strongly implying that he killed her personally. ''Film/TheHuntsmanWintersWar'' not only retcons the manner of Sara's death, but it instead reveals that Eric only believed her to be dead. Finn is also completely absent in the prologue of the second movie, which retcons Ravenna into having a younger sister Freya who wasn't mentioned in the first film.
* The ''Franchise/IndianaJones'' series has subtle examples arising from the fact that the second film takes place earlier than the first:
** In the now-iconic "shooting the swordsman" scene from ''Raiders'', the common assumption is that Indy acts on the spur of the moment, without ever having anticipated what he would do. But in ''Temple of Doom'', there's a scene that seems like a direct shout-out to the ''Raiders'' scene, in which a pair of swordsmen approach Indy, wave their swords around in a very similar manner to the fighter from ''Raiders'', and then Indy reaches for his holster only to realize it's empty. Since the movie is set a year before ''Raiders'', the implication is that this sort of situation is familiar to him and may have even happened before.
** Early in ''Raiders'' while talking to Marcus, Indy pooh-poohs belief in the supernatural. At the end of the film, of course, Indy sees directly the power of the ark. If ''Raiders'' were merely a standalone film we'd have every reason to believe Indy began the story as a skeptic and became a believer by the end. But in ''Temple of Doom'' he had another encounter with the supernatural and clearly accepted it, suggesting Indy was lying in his conversation with Marcus from ''Raiders''. One possible explanation is that he thought no one would believe him and didn't want to be viewed as a flake, but that probably wasn't the point of the scene when ''Raiders'' was originally written.
31st Mar '17 3:29:27 PM nombretomado
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* ''OrionsArm'' has made a number of retcons since it's creation. Femto-tech was removed due to physics problems. The number of people killed by [[AIIsACrapshoot GAIA]] was retconned a number of times in order to adjust the population numbers.

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* ''OrionsArm'' ''WebOriginal/OrionsArm'' has made a number of retcons since it's creation. Femto-tech was removed due to physics problems. The number of people killed by [[AIIsACrapshoot GAIA]] was retconned a number of times in order to adjust the population numbers.
22nd Feb '17 4:10:26 PM Zaptech
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** That the Empire would build and fail to notice such a catastrophic weakness into the Death Star in the original ''Film/ANewHope'' was so ridiculous that the entire movie ''Film/RogueOne,'' the first of the so-called "Star Wars Anthology" movies, was dedicated to retconning it.
19th Feb '17 4:11:08 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** A minor one, but still worth pointing out since some side material still stick with the original story. In the novelization of ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', the reason for Vader's reliance on his trademark life support armor was that he fell into a pit of lava following a duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi. In ''RevengeOfTheSith'', Vader and Obi-Wan duel on the volcanic planet Mustafar with Obi-Wain defeating Vader on a bank next to a lava river. Vader never touches the lava, but he's close enough that the hot fumes set him on fire and he burns to a crisp. Probably justified, since it's a bit more likely that he'd survive this way.
** That the Empire would build and fail to notice such a catastrophic weakness into the Death Star in the original ''Film/ANewHope'' was so ridiculous that the entire movie ''Film/RogueOne,'' the first of the so-called "Star Wars Anthology" movies, was dedicated to retconning it

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** A minor one, but still worth pointing out since some side material still stick with the original story. In the novelization of ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', the reason for Vader's reliance on his trademark life support armor was that he fell into a pit of lava following a duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi. In ''RevengeOfTheSith'', ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', Vader and Obi-Wan duel on the volcanic planet Mustafar with Obi-Wain defeating Vader on a bank next to a lava river. Vader never touches the lava, but he's close enough that the hot fumes set him on fire and he burns to a crisp. Probably justified, since it's a bit more likely that he'd survive this way.
** That the Empire would build and fail to notice such a catastrophic weakness into the Death Star in the original ''Film/ANewHope'' was so ridiculous that the entire movie ''Film/RogueOne,'' the first of the so-called "Star Wars Anthology" movies, was dedicated to retconning itit.
19th Feb '17 4:06:44 PM bt8257
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See also AssPull, which is something that was not properly set up before it is sprung on the audience. It is related to DeusExMachina. Some but [[TropesAreNotBad not all]] retcons are {{Ass Pull}}s, and a good retcon can actually improve the current narrative. A good way to get away with a retcon is to reveal new implications or motivations for events that have already been established.

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See also AssPull, which is something that was not properly set up before it is sprung on the audience. It is related to DeusExMachina. Some Some, but [[TropesAreNotBad not all]] retcons are {{Ass Pull}}s, and a good retcon can actually improve the current narrative. A good way to get away with a retcon is to reveal new implications or motivations for events that have already been established.



* CosmicRetcon: An in-story event alters reality, which results in a retcon.

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* CosmicRetcon: An in-story event alters reality, which results in causes a retcon.
4th Feb '17 9:36:38 AM MyFinalEdits
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** In Film/ReturnOfTheJedi Luke asks Leia what she remembers of their mother; Leia says that she doesn't remember much, since she died when she (Leia) was very young, but that she was very beautiful, kind but sad. All this implies that Leia was old enough to remember such things - say about two or three - when their mother died, but Film/RevengeOfTheSith blows that out of the water by having Padmé die almost immediately after she's given birth.
*** She said this before Leia learned that Darth Vader was Luke's father and she was Luke's twin sister, so she could have been talking about her adoptive mother. Indeed, in the novelization we're told that she was thinking about her adoptive mother.
3rd Feb '17 11:39:03 PM 333kenshin
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** That the Empire would build and fail to notice such a catastrophic weakness into the Death Star in the original ''Film/ANewHope'' was so ridiculous that, 30+ (real-world) years later, the entirety of ''Film/RogueOne,'' the first of the so-called "Star Wars Anthology" movies, was basically one giant retcon justifying it

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** That the Empire would build and fail to notice such a catastrophic weakness into the Death Star in the original ''Film/ANewHope'' was so ridiculous that, 30+ (real-world) years later, that the entirety of entire movie ''Film/RogueOne,'' the first of the so-called "Star Wars Anthology" movies, was basically one giant retcon justifying dedicated to retconning it
3rd Feb '17 8:06:06 PM 333kenshin
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** That the Empire would build and fail to notice such a catastrophic weakness into the Death Star in the original ''Film/ANewHope'' was so ridiculous that, 30+ (real-world) years later, the entirety of ''Film/RogueOne,'' the first of the so-called "Star Wars Anthology" movies, was basically one giant retcon justifying it
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