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22nd Feb '17 4:10:26 PM Zaptech
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** That the Empire would build and fail to notice such a catastrophic weakness into the Death Star in the original ''Film/ANewHope'' was so ridiculous that the entire movie ''Film/RogueOne,'' the first of the so-called "Star Wars Anthology" movies, was dedicated to retconning it.
19th Feb '17 4:11:08 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** A minor one, but still worth pointing out since some side material still stick with the original story. In the novelization of ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', the reason for Vader's reliance on his trademark life support armor was that he fell into a pit of lava following a duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi. In ''RevengeOfTheSith'', Vader and Obi-Wan duel on the volcanic planet Mustafar with Obi-Wain defeating Vader on a bank next to a lava river. Vader never touches the lava, but he's close enough that the hot fumes set him on fire and he burns to a crisp. Probably justified, since it's a bit more likely that he'd survive this way.
** That the Empire would build and fail to notice such a catastrophic weakness into the Death Star in the original ''Film/ANewHope'' was so ridiculous that the entire movie ''Film/RogueOne,'' the first of the so-called "Star Wars Anthology" movies, was dedicated to retconning it

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** A minor one, but still worth pointing out since some side material still stick with the original story. In the novelization of ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', the reason for Vader's reliance on his trademark life support armor was that he fell into a pit of lava following a duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi. In ''RevengeOfTheSith'', ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', Vader and Obi-Wan duel on the volcanic planet Mustafar with Obi-Wain defeating Vader on a bank next to a lava river. Vader never touches the lava, but he's close enough that the hot fumes set him on fire and he burns to a crisp. Probably justified, since it's a bit more likely that he'd survive this way.
** That the Empire would build and fail to notice such a catastrophic weakness into the Death Star in the original ''Film/ANewHope'' was so ridiculous that the entire movie ''Film/RogueOne,'' the first of the so-called "Star Wars Anthology" movies, was dedicated to retconning itit.
19th Feb '17 4:06:44 PM bt8257
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See also AssPull, which is something that was not properly set up before it is sprung on the audience. It is related to DeusExMachina. Some but [[TropesAreNotBad not all]] retcons are {{Ass Pull}}s, and a good retcon can actually improve the current narrative. A good way to get away with a retcon is to reveal new implications or motivations for events that have already been established.

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See also AssPull, which is something that was not properly set up before it is sprung on the audience. It is related to DeusExMachina. Some Some, but [[TropesAreNotBad not all]] retcons are {{Ass Pull}}s, and a good retcon can actually improve the current narrative. A good way to get away with a retcon is to reveal new implications or motivations for events that have already been established.



* CosmicRetcon: An in-story event alters reality, which results in a retcon.

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* CosmicRetcon: An in-story event alters reality, which results in causes a retcon.
4th Feb '17 9:36:38 AM MyFinalEdits
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** In Film/ReturnOfTheJedi Luke asks Leia what she remembers of their mother; Leia says that she doesn't remember much, since she died when she (Leia) was very young, but that she was very beautiful, kind but sad. All this implies that Leia was old enough to remember such things - say about two or three - when their mother died, but Film/RevengeOfTheSith blows that out of the water by having Padmé die almost immediately after she's given birth.
*** She said this before Leia learned that Darth Vader was Luke's father and she was Luke's twin sister, so she could have been talking about her adoptive mother. Indeed, in the novelization we're told that she was thinking about her adoptive mother.
3rd Feb '17 11:39:03 PM 333kenshin
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** That the Empire would build and fail to notice such a catastrophic weakness into the Death Star in the original ''Film/ANewHope'' was so ridiculous that, 30+ (real-world) years later, the entirety of ''Film/RogueOne,'' the first of the so-called "Star Wars Anthology" movies, was basically one giant retcon justifying it

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** That the Empire would build and fail to notice such a catastrophic weakness into the Death Star in the original ''Film/ANewHope'' was so ridiculous that, 30+ (real-world) years later, that the entirety of entire movie ''Film/RogueOne,'' the first of the so-called "Star Wars Anthology" movies, was basically one giant retcon justifying dedicated to retconning it
3rd Feb '17 8:06:06 PM 333kenshin
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** That the Empire would build and fail to notice such a catastrophic weakness into the Death Star in the original ''Film/ANewHope'' was so ridiculous that, 30+ (real-world) years later, the entirety of ''Film/RogueOne,'' the first of the so-called "Star Wars Anthology" movies, was basically one giant retcon justifying it
29th Jan '17 6:51:50 PM RickTommy
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* In the WebAnimation/HomestarRunner toon "email thunder", it turns out that [[spoiler: Homestar has had his own email-answering program for a while now. Much of the time when Homestar appeared incompetent or insane was merely part of his show. Not only that, but his show is actually more popular than Strong Bad's.]] This is expanded upon in "Hremail 7", where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Strong Bad first got the idea for his show from Homestar and then forgot about it. Also, he got his first computer from Homestar's trash, and his first email was actually sent by a friend of The Cheat's.]]

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* In the WebAnimation/HomestarRunner toon "email thunder", it turns out that [[spoiler: Homestar has had his own email-answering program for a while now. Much of the time when Homestar appeared incompetent or insane was merely part of his show. Not only that, but his show is actually more popular than Strong Bad's.]] This is expanded upon in "Hremail 7", where it's revealed suggested that [[spoiler: Strong Bad first got the idea for his show from Homestar and then forgot about it. Also, he got his first computer from Homestar's trash, and his first email was actually sent by a friend of The Cheat's.]]]]
**In "kind of cool", Strong Sad says that Senor Cardgage lived near the Brothers Strong when they were little. Later toons suggest that Cardgage still does live near the Strongs.
25th Nov '16 1:09:46 PM marbehraglaim
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* The ''Franchise/IndianaJones'' series has subtle examples arising from the fact that the second film takes place earlier than the first:
** In the now-iconic "shooting the swordsman" scene from ''Raiders'', the common assumption is that Indy acts on the spur of the moment, without ever having anticipated what he would do. But in ''Temple of Doom'', there's a scene that seems like a direct shout-out to the ''Raiders'' scene, in which a pair of swordsmen approach Indy, wave their swords around in a very similar manner to the fighter from ''Raiders'', and then Indy reaches for his holster only to realize it's empty. Since the movie is set a year before ''Raiders'', the implication is that this sort of situation is familiar to him and may have even happened before.
** Early in ''Raiders'' while talking to Marcus, Indy pooh-poohs belief in the supernatural. At the end of the film, of course, Indy sees directly the power of the ark. If ''Raiders'' were merely a standalone film we'd have every reason to believe Indy began the story as a skeptic and became a believer by the end. But in ''Temple of Doom'' he had another encounter with the supernatural and clearly accepted it, suggesting Indy was lying in his conversation with Marcus from ''Raiders''. One possible explanation is that he thought no one would believe him and didn't want to be viewed as a flake, but that probably wasn't the point of the scene when ''Raiders'' was originally written.
24th Oct '16 8:10:28 PM Selina57
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*** She said this before Leia learned that Darth Vader was Luke's father and she was Luke's twin sister, so she could have been talking about her adoptive mother. Indeed, in the novelization we're told that she was thinking about her adoptive mother.
27th Sep '16 2:10:32 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''LG15TheResistance'' applied a couple of these to ''WebVideo/{{lonelygirl15}}'', such as the revelation that Sarah [[spoiler:was evil all along]] or that Jonas [[spoiler:is a trait positive male]].

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* ''LG15TheResistance'' ''WebVideo/LG15TheResistance'' applied a couple of these to ''WebVideo/{{lonelygirl15}}'', such as the revelation that Sarah [[spoiler:was evil all along]] or that Jonas [[spoiler:is a trait positive male]].
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