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7th Dec '12 1:30:02 PM Lophotrochozoa

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An in-wiki admonition that speaks against explaining why an entry is wrong or incomplete instead of just fixing it.

A common offender is the JustifyingEdit ("Well to be fair, the show was right to use that {{trope}} because..."), but there's plenty of variety, from [[ButWaitTheresMore "Not to mention that..." tangents]] through [[ThreadMode "However" clauses which make the page seem like it's arguing with itself]] all the way to [[ConversationInTheMainPage paragraphs on end of aimless chatter]].

[[HowToUseBulletPoints The second/third bullet point is oft-misused]] to reply to an example; sentences that obviously got tacked onto a paragraph as a response are also commonplace and may be even more disruptive. The tone may be polite, passive-aggressive or sarcastic, but the result is the same: Concise examples turn into [[WallOfText walls of text]], the wiki loses its consistent voice and [[SignalToNoiseTrainWreck the interesting parts get drowned out in all the noise]].

Why do these pop up? Perhaps the troper who wrote the entry was being overly polite and didn't want to hurt the feelings of whatever troper wrote the original article by deleting their example and writing in the corrected version instead. Or they wanted to show up the previous troper, keeping the incorrect version alongside the "correct" version. Or maybe they were under the mistaken impression that main article space doubles as a forum, a blog or a soapbox, and that we ''encourage'' that sort of thing.

If it's to correct a misconception or to add more information, it can be integrated into the existing entry. If a response can be reasonably removed, it should.

Relatedly, if you are going to remove something, make sure that what's left behind still makes sense. ConversationInTheMainPage and {{Sinkhole}}s are bad, but a bullet point directly referencing something that's no longer there isn't much better.

No one is going to complain about the vast majority of the changes you want to make to a page. Don't feel any compunctions about adding or deleting entries if you think that your impressions are accurate or defendable. That said, don't let your bias get the better of you and completely wipe out whatever you disagree with. If there's more than one way to look at things, [[RightingGreatWrongs they should all get their say]].

The redirect to this page, "You Could Always Edit it Yourself", is generally used in somewhat different circumstances, when someone complains that an example is wrong, or that a page is infested with {{Natter}}, or that examples aren't sorted, or any similar problem exists but they show no indication that they're willing to fix it or clean it up themselves. The message is the same, though -- if something is wrong, '''fix it'''.
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18th Nov '12 9:04:59 PM Bagan101

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3rd Nov '12 7:48:36 AM TropeEater

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No. [[No Just No Reaction Just no].

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12th May '12 9:46:48 AM Scarab

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25th Jan '12 7:01:08 PM Rabukurafuto

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18th Dec '11 3:51:38 AM TripleElation

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No need to pothole the same term again and again

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30th Nov '11 12:53:11 PM MrDeath

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30th Oct '11 3:59:00 PM Insignificant

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Killing a ptitle.

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An in-wiki admonition that speaks against explaining why an entry is wrong or incomplete instead of just fixing it.

A common offender is the JustifyingEdit ("Well to be fair, the show was right to use that {{trope}} because..."), but there's plenty of variety, from [[ButWaitTheresMore "Not to mention that..." tangents]] through [[ThreadMode "However" clauses which make the page seem like it's arguing with itself]] all the way to [[{{Natter}} chiming in]] to say what everyone thinks of the issue.

Why do these pop up? Perhaps the {{troper}} who wrote the entry was being overly polite and didn't want to hurt the feelings of whatever {{troper}} wrote the original article by deleting their example and writing in the corrected version instead. Or they wanted to show up the previous {{troper}}, keeping the incorrect version alongside the "correct" version. Or maybe they were under the mistaken impression that main article space doubles as a forum, a blog or a soapbox, and that we ''encourage'' that sort of thing.

If it's to correct a misconception or to add more information, it can be integrated into the existing entry. If a response can be reasonably removed, it should.

The redirect to this page, YouCouldAlwaysEditItYourself, is generally used in somewhat different circumstances, when someone complains that an example is wrong, or that a page is infested with {{Natter}}, or that examples aren't sorted, or any similar problem exists but they show no indication that they're willing to fix it or clean it up themselves. The message is the same, though -- if something is wrong, '''fix it'''.
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