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25th Dec '17 1:21:40 AM Fireblood
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* The character Beneditx in ''Literature/KnowledgeOfAngels'' THINKS that 'ReligionIsWrong' is proved, but only because someone had offered counterarguments to Aquinas's 5 Arguments, which he thought proved the ReligionIsRight. To him, this trope is invoked.
18th Dec '17 8:02:10 PM Fireblood
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That's the trope: Setting up a proof that atheism is right. May lead to OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions, NoSuchThingAsSpaceJesus, etc. Religious characters ''will'' react to it either negatively ("[[CrisisOfFaith My entire faith is a liiie!]]" perhaps, or "IRejectYourReality and substitute my own,") or unnaturally positively ("[[EasyEvangelism Oh, God's not real?]] Welp, that's thirty years of time wasted. Do atheists have cookouts?"), leading us to BeliefMakesYouStupid and even, confusingly, some instances of HollywoodAtheist.

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That's the trope: Setting setting up a proof that atheism is right. May lead to OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions, NoSuchThingAsSpaceJesus, etc. Religious characters ''will'' react to it either negatively ("[[CrisisOfFaith My entire faith is a liiie!]]" perhaps, or "IRejectYourReality and substitute my own,") or unnaturally positively ("[[EasyEvangelism Oh, God's not real?]] Welp, that's thirty years of time wasted. Do atheists have cookouts?"), leading us to BeliefMakesYouStupid and even, confusingly, some instances of HollywoodAtheist.


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* ''Series/TheOrville'': Every time a religion makes verifiable claims thus far in the series, it's proven they're wrong.
15th May '17 8:56:45 PM Fireblood
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* ''Literature/TheNeanderthalParallax'' reveals that religion (and mystical beliefs generally) is simply the result of magnetic rays affecting people's brains. After the magnetic field around earth reverses polarity, these beliefs at first flare up, and then disappear, causing improvements like peace in the Middle East.

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* ''Literature/TheNeanderthalParallax'' reveals that religion (and mystical beliefs generally) is simply the result of some magnetic rays affecting people's brains. After the magnetic field around earth reverses polarity, these beliefs at first flare up, and then disappear, causing improvements like peace in the Middle East.
14th May '17 11:09:40 PM genisgone
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* In the first episode of ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Giles says "The Earth is older than any of you know, and contrary to popular mythology, it did not begin as a paradise".

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* In the first episode of ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Giles says "The Earth is older than any of you know, and contrary to popular mythology, it did not begin as a paradise".
24th Apr '17 6:44:00 PM nombretomado
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* The ''TalesSeries'' tends to play around with this one.

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* The ''TalesSeries'' ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' tends to play around with this one.
20th Apr '17 8:25:02 PM kome360
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* ''VideoGame/HorizonZeroDawn'': The 'gods' of this setting are just highly advanced AI that were tasked with helping humanity AfterTheEnd, but something went horribly wrong and they've been separated from contact with humans for centuries. Nora religion prays to the All-Mother, who is actually their fragmented memory of the caretakers [[spoiler:of the bunker their ancestors were born in, seeing as how androids don't exactly age for a few centuries the colonist children assumed they were immortal]]. Carja just prays to the sun, [[spoiler:but their religion is based on a scientific cosmology book, meaning they've developed a religion based on science and don't realize it]]. It gets disturbingly jarring when you find out that the local human sacrifice altar is [[spoiler:a NASA launch pad built for sending colonists to another planet in wake of the plague]], meaning that the Carja have sacrificed thousands of people in a ruin that was once dedicated to preserving human life, not butchering it with gladiatorial combat.
5th Mar '17 9:38:05 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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* Invoked but subverted in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'':

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* Invoked but subverted in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'':''VideoGame/Fallout3'':



** By the time of ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'', the [[BigBad Prophet of Truth]] seems to be fully aware of this, and [[DoubleThink yet still believes that the rings will grant apotheosis.]]

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** By the time of ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'', ''VideoGame/Halo3'', the [[BigBad Prophet of Truth]] seems to be fully aware of this, and [[DoubleThink yet still believes that the rings will grant apotheosis.]]



** ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' is probably the most science-fiction-y game in the series and zigzags on this one. The BigBad and his FiveBadBand are a {{Church Militant}}s working to subvert the order they're meant to protect because the church is being manipulated by an ObviouslyEvil douchebag who doesn't realise that blindly following the path laid out for him by the world's deity, Lorelei, will lead humanity extinction... Oh, and the higher-up members of the church partially knew this but kept it secret to avoid a mass panic. [[spoiler:However, this turns out to be only half-correct. Lorelei did indeed foresee the world's destruction, as part of its ComboPlatterPowers relating to the future and destiny, but it actually left the Fonstones (that record the future) behind so that humanity could ''overthrow'' this terrible future and create their own destinies. Sadly, the church didn't quite realise this as they were all blinded by the promise of a prosperous future at the end of ''one'' of the seven Fonstones. Thus, the game's ultimate stance on religion is something like, "Deities are good but religions are ultimately made up of people and, sometimes, people can get it ''horribly'' wrong.]]

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** ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' is probably the most science-fiction-y game in the series and zigzags on this one. The BigBad and his FiveBadBand are a {{Church Militant}}s working to subvert the order they're meant to protect because the church is being manipulated by an ObviouslyEvil douchebag who doesn't realise that blindly following the path laid out for him by the world's deity, Lorelei, will lead humanity extinction... Oh, and the higher-up members of the church partially knew this but kept it secret to avoid a mass panic. [[spoiler:However, this turns out to be only half-correct. Lorelei did indeed foresee the world's destruction, as part of its ComboPlatterPowers relating to the future and destiny, but it actually left the Fonstones (that record the future) behind so that humanity could ''overthrow'' this terrible future and create their own destinies. Sadly, the church didn't quite realise this as they were all blinded by the promise of a prosperous future at the end of ''one'' of the seven Fonstones. Thus, the game's ultimate stance on religion is something like, "Deities are good but religions are ultimately made up of people and, sometimes, people can get it ''horribly'' wrong.]]



* Generally speaking, ''WesternAnimation/{{TheSimpsons}}'' tends to parody the concept of organised religion. For example, in one episode, Homer proves that God does not exist mathematically. Flanders destroys the evidence. However, it's much vaguer in most cases as Homer actually gets to meet the Big Man Upstairs on a few occasions, though it's usually in a DreamSequence.

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* Generally speaking, ''WesternAnimation/{{TheSimpsons}}'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' tends to parody the concept of organised religion. For example, in one episode, Homer proves that God does not exist mathematically. Flanders destroys the evidence. However, it's much vaguer in most cases as Homer actually gets to meet the Big Man Upstairs on a few occasions, though it's usually in a DreamSequence.
5th Mar '17 9:31:50 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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** Inverted in the episode where B'Elanna Torres encounters the Klingon afterlife. From an outsider's perspective it is only a {{near death experience}}, but from B'Elanna's point of view and the nature of events imply she really went to Gre'thor, the Klingon hell .

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** Inverted in the episode where B'Elanna Torres encounters the Klingon afterlife. From an outsider's perspective it is only a {{near death experience}}, but from B'Elanna's point of view and the nature of events imply she really went to Gre'thor, the Klingon hell .hell.
5th Mar '17 7:10:27 PM ErichoTOME
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* ''Film/TheInventionOfLying'' features religion as the first lie.
27th Feb '17 1:49:29 AM Laevatein
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* In the first episode of ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Giles says "The Earth is older than any of you know, and contrary to popular mythology, it did not begin as a paradise".
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