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10th Jul '16 11:35:17 AM nombretomado
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* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' is either an aversion or a subversion. Chantry says that [[TheGodsMustBeLazy the Maker is just lazy]], prayers are not answered, religion is ''not'' magic (ReligionIsMagic in all other BioWare games which have magic), [[KnightTemplar templars]] are dumb, killers and drug-users, and clergy even refuses to bless an army at some point, making you think that trope is played completery straight... and then the game starts [[ShoutOut quoting]] ''TheLordOfTheRings'' without {{Deconstruction}}. In case you didn't know, ''TheLordOfTheRings'' is about [[{{God}} Ilúvatar's]] guidance. The religious outlook of the game is probably something like "GodIsGood" but religious ''organisations'' can do some pretty stupid things.

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* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' is either an aversion or a subversion. Chantry says that [[TheGodsMustBeLazy the Maker is just lazy]], prayers are not answered, religion is ''not'' magic (ReligionIsMagic in all other BioWare Creator/BioWare games which have magic), [[KnightTemplar templars]] are dumb, killers and drug-users, and clergy even refuses to bless an army at some point, making you think that trope is played completery straight... and then the game starts [[ShoutOut quoting]] ''TheLordOfTheRings'' without {{Deconstruction}}. In case you didn't know, ''TheLordOfTheRings'' is about [[{{God}} Ilúvatar's]] guidance. The religious outlook of the game is probably something like "GodIsGood" but religious ''organisations'' can do some pretty stupid things.
23rd Jun '16 6:52:49 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' the players find themselves at the temple of the Asari goddess, Athame. Although most Asari are pantheists anyway, most probably think it was [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions simple superstition.]] However if the player brings the teammember of the [[{{Precursors}} Prothean race]] along with them, he deconstructs all their myths: it was them every time. Goddess protected you when "the heavens grew angry?" Prothean-deflected meteor strike. Drove away "jealous gods?" Invasive species. Abundance from on-high? Averted famine, and so on.

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* In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' the players find themselves at the temple of the Asari goddess, Athame. Although most Asari are pantheists anyway, most probably think it was [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions simple superstition.]] However if the player brings the teammember of the [[{{Precursors}} Prothean race]] along with them, he deconstructs all their myths: it was them every time. Goddess protected you when "the heavens grew angry?" Prothean-deflected meteor strike. Drove away "jealous gods?" Invasive species. Abundance from on-high? Averted famine, and so on. It is somewhat questionable how true the details are; the Protheans were definitely involved in some way, but Javik also has a habit of lying for his own amusement.
11th May '16 3:46:03 AM Morgenthaler
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This change can be seen easiest with TheKnightsTemplar in both games. In ''VideoGame/DeusEx'', they were the surviving descendants of the original Knights, who had remained as religious bankers[[note]]The Knights Templar also had ties to the Illuminati, but the Illuminati of ''Deus Ex'' had intrinsic spiritual themes as a contrast to Bob Page's secular Majestic Twelve. Spirituality and religion (in fact, most of them were simply bog standard Catholics) were part of what they were, not a method of controlling people.[[/note]]. In ''Invisible War'', they're one of the only truly "black" factions who will plunge the world into an [[TheFundamentalist extremist]], [[BeliefMakesYouStupid theocratic dark age]] if they win.

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This change can be seen easiest with TheKnightsTemplar UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar in both games. In ''VideoGame/DeusEx'', they were the surviving descendants of the original Knights, who had remained as religious bankers[[note]]The Knights Templar also had ties to the Illuminati, but the Illuminati of ''Deus Ex'' had intrinsic spiritual themes as a contrast to Bob Page's secular Majestic Twelve. Spirituality and religion (in fact, most of them were simply bog standard Catholics) were part of what they were, not a method of controlling people.[[/note]]. In ''Invisible War'', they're one of the only truly "black" factions who will plunge the world into an [[TheFundamentalist extremist]], [[BeliefMakesYouStupid theocratic dark age]] if they win.
4th Mar '16 8:13:35 PM DoctorCooper
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Creator/IsaacAsimov once said that most ScienceFiction is written by atheists. There are a [[Creator/CSLewis number]] [[Creator/OrsonScottCard of]] [[Creator/CliffordSimak notable]] [[Creator/RayBradbury exceptions]], and it might not be literally true, but SciFi probably has more atheist authors than other genres do. A lot of these writers insert this [[AuthorTract personal outlook]] into the story. Sometimes they just portray atheists as good and rationally thinking people. Sometimes they go further.

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[[noreallife]] Creator/IsaacAsimov once said that most ScienceFiction is written by atheists. There are a [[Creator/CSLewis number]] [[Creator/OrsonScottCard of]] [[Creator/CliffordSimak notable]] [[Creator/RayBradbury exceptions]], and it might not be literally true, but SciFi probably has more atheist authors than other genres do. A lot of these writers insert this [[AuthorTract personal outlook]] into the story. Sometimes they just portray atheists as good and rationally thinking people. Sometimes they go further.



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21st Feb '16 7:23:24 PM Gamermaster
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* The character Beneditx in ''Literature/{{KnowledgeofAngels}}'' THINKS that 'ReligionIsWrong' is proved, but only because someone had offered counterarguments to Aquinas's 5 Arguments, which he thought proved the ReligionIsRight. To him, this trope is invoked.

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* The character Beneditx in ''Literature/{{KnowledgeofAngels}}'' ''Literature/KnowledgeOfAngels'' THINKS that 'ReligionIsWrong' is proved, but only because someone had offered counterarguments to Aquinas's 5 Arguments, which he thought proved the ReligionIsRight. To him, this trope is invoked.
16th Dec '15 12:39:16 PM FF32
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Creator/IsaacAsimov once said that most ScienceFiction is written by atheists. There are a [[Creator/CSLewis number]] [[OrsonScottCard of]] [[CliffordSimak notable]] [[Creator/RayBradbury exceptions]], and it might not be literally true, but SciFi probably has more atheist authors than other genres do. A lot of these writers insert this [[AuthorTract personal outlook]] into the story. Sometimes they just portray atheists as good and rationally thinking people. Sometimes they go further.

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Creator/IsaacAsimov once said that most ScienceFiction is written by atheists. There are a [[Creator/CSLewis number]] [[OrsonScottCard [[Creator/OrsonScottCard of]] [[CliffordSimak [[Creator/CliffordSimak notable]] [[Creator/RayBradbury exceptions]], and it might not be literally true, but SciFi probably has more atheist authors than other genres do. A lot of these writers insert this [[AuthorTract personal outlook]] into the story. Sometimes they just portray atheists as good and rationally thinking people. Sometimes they go further.
30th Nov '15 9:02:46 AM FF32
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* The ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' two-part episode "Go God Go" appears to invert this at the end. At first, we are shown a hyper-advanced society 500 years from now that has long ago abandoned religion in favor of atheism and science (they replace "God" with "science" in their swears; e.g. "Science, damn it!"). Then it's revealed that there are three atheist factions in the world (one of them are super-intelligent otters) who are engaged in a MeleeATrois over [[spoiler:what to name the atheist society]]. It turns out that this started when RichardDawkins began a sexual relationship with Mr(s). Garrison and convinced him/her of the fallacy of religion. Garrison immediately went into overdrive and convinced Dawkins to browbeat the rest of humanity into atheism. Apparently, it worked. Cartman ends up accidentally changing the past by letting Dawkins know that Garrison is a man. The future immediately turns into a religious utopia with only nationalism still a big issue (the otter mentions a war with the French-Chinese over Hawaii).

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* The ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' two-part episode "Go God Go" appears to invert this at the end. At first, we are shown a hyper-advanced society 500 years from now that has long ago abandoned religion in favor of atheism and science (they replace "God" with "science" in their swears; e.g. "Science, damn it!"). Then it's revealed that there are three atheist factions in the world (one of them are super-intelligent otters) who are engaged in a MeleeATrois over [[spoiler:what to name the atheist society]]. It turns out that this started when RichardDawkins UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins began a sexual relationship with Mr(s). Garrison and convinced him/her of the fallacy of religion. Garrison immediately went into overdrive and convinced Dawkins to browbeat the rest of humanity into atheism. Apparently, it worked. Cartman ends up accidentally changing the past by letting Dawkins know that Garrison is a man. The future immediately turns into a religious utopia with only nationalism still a big issue (the otter mentions a war with the French-Chinese over Hawaii).
7th Nov '15 10:53:28 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** It's even more complicated than ''that'', because there are four other major religions in the setting. The Qunari religion has metaphysical aspects but nothing directly supernatural, while the Dwarfs worship their ancestors and the Stone around them. The Old Gods, ancient Dragon gods said to be trapped under the world, are very real; on the other hand the religion around them has faded to nothing, and we also see cults worshiping normal dragons that aren't even sentient. Played straighter by elf religion; [[spoiler: the mythology has been corrupted by time and they were always false gods. At least, that's what the one you meet tells you, him being 'merely' an insanely powerful immortal mage personally responsible for fundamentally changing the nature of reality by dividing the physical world from the fade.]]

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** It's even more complicated than ''that'', because there are four other major religions in the setting. The Qunari religion has metaphysical aspects but nothing directly supernatural, while the supernatural. The Dwarfs worship their ancestors and the Stone around them.them, but the Titans who are heavily implied to be their original gods (and possibly the creators of their race) have been forgotten for millennia, apparently deliberately erased from their history. The Old Gods, ancient Dragon gods said to be trapped under the world, are very real; on the other hand the religion around them has faded to nothing, and we also see cults worshiping normal dragons that aren't even sentient. Played straighter by elf religion; [[spoiler: the mythology has been corrupted by time and they were always false gods. At least, that's what the one you meet tells you, him being 'merely' an insanely powerful immortal mage personally responsible for fundamentally changing the nature of reality by dividing the physical world from the fade.]]
6th Nov '15 1:47:38 PM Morgenthaler
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* In ''HisDarkMaterials'', God exists ([[spoiler:and is killed]]), but [[CrystalDragonJesus Magisterium]] is wrong and [[CorruptChurch corrupt]], they must die, their churches must be destroyed and characters will team up with anything, be it good or evil, to fulfill it. Priests are depicted as being nothing but {{Card Carrying Villain}}s. WordOfGod was that [[spoiler: The Dust]] is god, the Magisterium's god just stole credit for it in an attempt to grab power.

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* In ''HisDarkMaterials'', ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'', God exists ([[spoiler:and is killed]]), but [[CrystalDragonJesus Magisterium]] is wrong and [[CorruptChurch corrupt]], they must die, their churches must be destroyed and characters will team up with anything, be it good or evil, to fulfill it. Priests are depicted as being nothing but {{Card Carrying Villain}}s. WordOfGod was that [[spoiler: The Dust]] is god, the Magisterium's god just stole credit for it in an attempt to grab power.



* BobShaw's ''TheRaggedAstronauts'' features twin planets and the cult claiming that all people reincarnate cycle between these two planets eternally. Then the characters make an expedition to the second planet. You can guess whether they find people there or not. Then the cult is reborn in ''TheWoodenSpaceships'', but with a distant planet of the same solar system. What happens then? You got the idea.
* This [[spoiler:literally]] happens in Clive Barker's play ''TheHistoryOfTheDevil''.

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* BobShaw's ''TheRaggedAstronauts'' ''Literature/TheRaggedAstronauts'' features twin planets and the cult claiming that all people reincarnate cycle between these two planets eternally. Then the characters make an expedition to the second planet. You can guess whether they find people there or not. Then the cult is reborn in ''TheWoodenSpaceships'', ''Literature/TheWoodenSpaceships'', but with a distant planet of the same solar system. What happens then? You got the idea.
* This [[spoiler:literally]] happens in Clive Barker's play ''TheHistoryOfTheDevil''.''Theatre/TheHistoryOfTheDevil''.



* In Literature/TheSpaceOdysseySeries by ArthurCClarke, the idea of God apparently comes from the Monolith, specifically the version that uplifted hominids into humanity. In ''3001'', humanity has finally discovered this Monolith (dubbed TMA-0), and traditional religion comes to an end. Curiously, though, many people are still either [[UsefulNotes/{{Deism}} Deists]] (believing in not less than one god) or Theists (believing in not more than one).

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* In Literature/TheSpaceOdysseySeries by ArthurCClarke, Creator/ArthurCClarke, the idea of God apparently comes from the Monolith, specifically the version that uplifted hominids into humanity. In ''3001'', humanity has finally discovered this Monolith (dubbed TMA-0), and traditional religion comes to an end. Curiously, though, many people are still either [[UsefulNotes/{{Deism}} Deists]] (believing in not less than one god) or Theists (believing in not more than one).
2nd Oct '15 7:27:52 AM FF32
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* In ''TheLastResurrection'' Jesus is the final boss, and is portrayed as a genocidal lunatic personally responsible for Nazism.

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* In ''TheLastResurrection'' ''VideoGame/TheLastResurrection'' Jesus is the final boss, and is portrayed as a genocidal lunatic personally responsible for Nazism.
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