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6th Aug '17 7:52:08 PM HasturHasturHastur
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On the other hand, there are times where this may be totally reasonable. Yeah, they may have never done anything particularly heinous, but a long history of being a complete fuckup and general thorn in the side of the heroes does not really do much to engender popularity with them. The villain may really want to reform and may have taken honest steps to do so, but the heroes may simply just be so sick of dealing with them and the messes that they cause (''especially'' if they already have multiple failed attempts on their record) that they frankly just don't care. Like ThenLetMeBeEvil, it runs the gamut from a cheap excuse to avoid taking responsibility, to an explanation that has some truth but still doesn't cut it, and all the way to a perfectly valid reason where the heroes are completely in the wrong and really have no one but themselves to blame.
6th Aug '17 5:25:42 PM lalalei2001
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* In ''WesternAnimation/LadyLovelyLocks'' this trope is discussed, but ends up averted in "The Bundle," with Hairball taking advantage of Lady's kindness to betray her. Lady feels awful that Hairball was lying, but says that if they did think he was causing trouble and he wasn't, they'd feel even worse.
18th Jul '17 8:10:40 PM Steven
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* ''VideoGame/Injustice2'' has Hal Jordan (Green Lantern) and Barry (The Flash) have a HeelFaceTurn from the previous game where they willingly surrendered after realizing that serving in Superman's regime wasn't a good idea after all. Both men deal with the hardship of themselves trying to reform while the citizens don't trust them. Barry does his best to keep going despite the distrust while Hal is tired of everyone not giving him a second chance despite how much hell he had to go through to become a Green Lantern again. Barry convinces him to keep fighting for what's right no matter what, which eventually gets Batman to start trusting Hal again. Harley Quinn, who used to be the bad girl for the Joker, also deals with similar problems after joining Batman, but she doesn't let it bother her.
11th Jul '17 10:02:11 AM LovePsychothefirst
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* A non-villain example in [[spoiler:Luke fon Fabre]] from ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss''. [[spoiler:Luke begins the game as a selfish, bratty, extremely naive man-child with few feelings of empathy. After his WhatHaveIDone moment, he spends the rest of the game trying to convince the entire world that he's changed his ways. The above quote comes after Jade shows that he clearly doesn't trust Luke after meeting up with him, and Anise has a similar reaction when meeting with Luke again. Considering Luke has been recently revealed to be [[YoungerThanTheyLook actually seven]] as he's the replica of the original Luke and he was set up to fail from the start, this treatment can come across as extremely harsh to the audience.]]

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* A non-villain example in [[spoiler:Luke fon Fabre]] from ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss''. [[spoiler:Luke begins the game as a selfish, bratty, extremely naive man-child with few feelings of empathy.empathy due to his sheltered and spoiled upbringing. After his WhatHaveIDone moment, he spends the rest of the game trying to convince the entire world that he's changed his ways. The above quote comes after Jade shows that he clearly doesn't trust Luke after meeting up with him, and Anise has a similar reaction when meeting with Luke again. Considering Luke has been recently revealed to be [[YoungerThanTheyLook actually seven]] as he's the replica of the original Luke and he was [[BlamingTheRailroadedPlayerCharacter set up to fail from the start, start]], this treatment can come across as extremely harsh to the audience.]]
6th Jun '17 4:59:18 PM Prometheus117
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* At the end of ''Westernanimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'', BigBad Sunset Shimmer [[HeelFaceTurn sees the error of her ways]] thanks to the Elements of Harmony, and tries to be a better person. The sequel, ''[[Westernanimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks Rainbow Rocks]]'', shows that she hasn't been so EasilyForgiven by the rest of the school, getting [[DeathGlare nasty looks]] and verbal jabs from the rest of the students except the Humane Five. Principal Celestia takes a passive-aggressive shot at her, saying that the Battle of the Bands will be "the most exciting event since the Fall Formal," which causes Sunset to [[TroubledFetalPosition slink down out of embarrassment]]. Even her friends haven't completely accepted her as when Twilight returns, she's hesitant on taking Sunset's hand. While Twilight is invited to join the groups band instantly, Sunset remains on the sidelines. [[spoiler:[[EarnYourHappyEnding She fights through her shame and self-doubt to play a key role in saving the day, and scenes shown during the credits show that the other students now accept her]].]]

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* At the end of ''Westernanimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'', BigBad Sunset Shimmer [[HeelFaceTurn sees the error of her ways]] thanks to the Elements of Harmony, and tries to be a better person. The sequel, ''[[Westernanimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks Rainbow Rocks]]'', shows that she hasn't been so EasilyForgiven by the rest of the school, getting [[DeathGlare nasty looks]] and verbal jabs from the rest of the students except the Humane Five. Principal Celestia takes a passive-aggressive shot at her, saying that the Battle of the Bands will be "the most exciting event since the Fall Formal," which causes Sunset to [[TroubledFetalPosition slink down out of embarrassment]]. Even her friends haven't completely accepted her as when Twilight returns, she's hesitant on taking Sunset's hand. While Twilight is invited to join the groups band instantly, Sunset remains on the sidelines. [[BigBad The Dazzlings]] take ''a lot'' of pleasure in [[KickTheDog rubbing it in her face]] about how she's treated. [[spoiler:[[EarnYourHappyEnding She fights through her shame and self-doubt to play a key role in saving the day, and scenes shown during the credits show that the other students now accept her]].]]
6th Jun '17 4:57:08 PM Prometheus117
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* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'': Vegeta gets this treatment after the Frieza Saga. Aside from Goku and Bulma, not one of the other Z-Fighters can stand him and have no qualms against informing him as such to his face. Case in point: after Vegeta is [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped]] by Perfect Cell, Krillin tells him point-blank that he's ''only'' helping him for Trunks' sake and wouldn't care one bit if Vegeta ''did'' die. It's justified; even if he was technically on their side, Vegeta was still a [[ItsAllAboutMe self-absorbed]] {{Jerkass}}, and their TokenEvilTeammate. He didn't pull an actual HeelFaceTurn until the end of the Buu Saga.

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* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'': Vegeta gets this treatment after the Frieza Saga. Aside from Goku and Bulma, not one of the other Z-Fighters can stand him and have no qualms against informing him as such to his face.face, not that he really gives a shit what they think. Case in point: after Vegeta is [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped]] by Perfect Cell, Krillin tells him point-blank that he's ''only'' helping him for Trunks' sake and wouldn't care one bit if Vegeta ''did'' die. It's justified; even if he was technically on their side, Vegeta was still a [[ItsAllAboutMe self-absorbed]] {{Jerkass}}, and their TokenEvilTeammate. He didn't pull an actual HeelFaceTurn until the end of the Buu Saga.
6th Jun '17 4:55:03 PM Prometheus117
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** Jellal gets the same treatment. It takes a multiple chapters to convince the only person likely to still have any faith in his ability to turn over a new leaf that he's developed amnesia and believes from the bottom of his heart that he needs to help her cause. Granted, once she accepts him he starts to get a little more slack, until the new council says they don't care that he has amnesia and became good or that Nirvana would still be rampaging were it not for his aid and arrests him anyway.

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** Jellal gets the same treatment. It takes a multiple chapters to convince the only person likely to still have any faith in his ability to turn over a new leaf that he's developed amnesia and believes from the bottom of his heart that he needs to help her cause. Granted, once she accepts him he starts to get a little more slack, slack (barring needing to take a [[TakingTheBullet shot to the gut]] to convince Natsu to accept a powerup to beat the ArcVillain), until the new council says they don't care that he has amnesia and became good or that Nirvana would still be rampaging were it not for his aid and arrests him anyway.
29th May '17 10:11:11 PM nombretomado
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** Likewise, HarmlessVillain Chuck the Evil Sandwich Making Guy has attempted reform in at least three episodes, "Chuck the Nice Pencil Selling Guy", "Chuck Makes a Buck" & "Lunchlady Chuck." Subverted somewhat in that WordGirl doesn't reject him (indeed, she encourages him to reform), but some other factor causes him to become evil again (In the first, he tries to kill his boss, played by the late Peter Graves, when he finds out [[BerserkButton that he hates sandwiches]]. [[YankTheDogsChain In a cruel twist, it's revealed at the end that the guy liked grilled cheese, but was unaware it was a type of sandwich, meaning Chuck went back to crime for nothing]].

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** Likewise, HarmlessVillain Chuck the Evil Sandwich Making Guy has attempted reform in at least three episodes, "Chuck the Nice Pencil Selling Guy", "Chuck Makes a Buck" & "Lunchlady Chuck." Subverted somewhat in that WordGirl [=WordGirl=] doesn't reject him (indeed, she encourages him to reform), but some other factor causes him to become evil again (In the first, he tries to kill his boss, played by the late Peter Graves, when he finds out [[BerserkButton that he hates sandwiches]]. [[YankTheDogsChain In a cruel twist, it's revealed at the end that the guy liked grilled cheese, but was unaware it was a type of sandwich, meaning Chuck went back to crime for nothing]].
4th May '17 6:39:49 PM Gamermaster
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-->'''Asuka:''' Im still not happy with her. I dont care how guilty she feels now. Shes going to need a miracle to get on my good side again. She hurt you, Rei, and you know [[BerserkButton how I feel]] about people who hurt the ones I [[LastSecondWordSwap care about]].

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-->'''Asuka:''' Im still not happy with her. I dont care how guilty she feels now. Shes going to need a miracle to get on my good side again. She hurt you, Rei, and you know [[BerserkButton how I feel]] about people who hurt [[ThreesomeSubtext the ones I I...]] [[LastSecondWordSwap care about]].
9th Apr '17 5:34:16 PM nombretomado
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* [[spoiler: Gemini Kanon]] from ''SaintSeiya'' tries to pull this [[spoiler: and is completely honest. However, as he once was TheManBehindTheMan ''and'' the EvilTwin to the TragicHero Gemini Saga, the Saints do NOT believe his intentions. Milo even subjects him to a ''brutal'' SecretTestOfCharacter to make sure he's sincere.]]

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* [[spoiler: Gemini Kanon]] from ''SaintSeiya'' ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' tries to pull this [[spoiler: and is completely honest. However, as he once was TheManBehindTheMan ''and'' the EvilTwin to the TragicHero Gemini Saga, the Saints do NOT believe his intentions. Milo even subjects him to a ''brutal'' SecretTestOfCharacter to make sure he's sincere.]]
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