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2nd Apr '18 9:52:51 PM scoooool
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* Infinite [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAJE35wX1nQ Fractal Zooms]], such as [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tRdLD6vh3g Mandelbrot Sets]] "Bigger than the known universe!" Turn on the [[MushroomSamba Mood music]] when watching these... ''Schpongle'' perhaps.
* There are any number of magazine covers with a DrosteImage -- where somebody on the cover is holding a copy of the magazine with the cover that they're in, etc.
** Hell, ''Games'' Magazine made a '''puzzle''' out of it.
** Numerous commercials have used a similar effect, where a photograph in one scene expands and animates, becoming the ad's next scene. Usually, this also has a photo or other image in it, which also expands and animates...
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raelism Raëlians]] believe that our universe is a tiny particle within the body of a living creature in a much larger universe, and that all atoms in our universe also contain smaller universes similar to the one we live in.

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* Infinite [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAJE35wX1nQ Fractal Zooms]], such as [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tRdLD6vh3g Mandelbrot Sets]] "Bigger than the known universe!" Turn on the [[MushroomSamba Mood music]] when watching these... ''Schpongle'' perhaps.
* There are any number of magazine covers with a DrosteImage -- where somebody on the cover is holding a copy of the magazine with the cover that they're in, etc.
** Hell, ''Games'' Magazine made a '''puzzle''' out of it.
** Numerous commercials have used a similar effect, where a photograph in one scene expands and animates, becoming the ad's next scene. Usually, this also has a photo or other image in it, which also expands and animates...
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raelism Raëlians]] believe that our universe is a tiny particle within the body of a living creature in a much larger universe, and that all atoms in our universe also contain smaller universes similar to the one we live in.
!! Metaphysical



* Because black holes are believed to contain a singularity point of infinite density, and the similarity of this to the sudden explosion of energy of the Big Bang at the beginning of time, it is possible that all black holes contain a universe, and with countless billions of black holes in this universe, that would lead to an infinite fractal blossoming of universes creating enormous amounts of subsequent universes. This is a popular pop physics theory, but is viewed with considerably more skepticism in the hard sciences, as the hypothesis cannot yet be tested. And hypotheses which cannot be tested also cannot be validated, making them outside the realm of the scientific method.
* Philosopher Nick Bostrom [[http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html has written]] that if there's ever going to be a recursive simulation of reality, then we're probably in it already. The thinking is that if humanity ever reaches a point where it ''could'' have highly detailed simulations of reality and ''could'' have amounts of computational power so vast as to be functionally infinite, then because there are likely to be many many more simulated realities, each with their own potential for further simulations, then statistically, reality is more likely to be one of the countless simulations than the few real worlds. The idea is a more refined and technological variation on a topic which has stretched back throughout history, though phrased more as dreams until the advent of computers and the creation of the first virtual worlds. The "simulation hypothesis", as its commonly referred to, has drawn a lot of criticism from other philosophers and been dismissed by physicists as an untestable hypothesis, yet does have parallels to common theological threads and is believed by many futurists. Of course, materially, very little changes whether the world is a simulation in a computer or a tiny rock hurtling through space.
** Discussions of this possibility, even amongst futurist communities, often resort to "reductio ad absurdum", or, "clearly it's ridiculous that reality is a stack of simulations within simulations within simulations", with which it's important to remember that much of what is commonly accepted fact in astronomy and physics was attacked in the same way, such as the existence of other galaxies, the heliocentric model, and so on.
** Although dismissed by many physicists, others ''have'' focused on potentially testing the idea. One of the most common variants on testing the hypothesis is to find what is essentially the resolution scale of the universe, metaphorically like staring at the sky hard enough to see the pixels in the display. These are still a matter of contentious physics however, and it's not clear if the simulation hypothesis will ever be testable.
* In case you're worried about the universe exploding by paradox, here's another thing to worry about: does the set of all items that do not belong in a set include the set itself?
** By definition, a set cannot contain itself. This was an ObviousRulePatch that was made specifically because this case was brought up.
** Early in the 20th-Century, set theory was redefined, automatically avoiding sets containing themselves (or forming loops of containment -- indirect recursive containment). A standard version appears to be [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo%E2%80%93Fraenkel_set_theory ZF Set Theory]]. This may have created new potential recursive paradoxes.

!! Others
* Infinite [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAJE35wX1nQ Fractal Zooms]], such as [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tRdLD6vh3g Mandelbrot Sets]] "Bigger than the known universe!" Turn on the [[MushroomSamba Mood music]] when watching these... ''Schpongle'' perhaps.
* There are any number of magazine covers with a DrosteImage -- where somebody on the cover is holding a copy of the magazine with the cover that they're in, etc.
** Hell, ''Games'' Magazine made a '''puzzle''' out of it.
** Numerous commercials have used a similar effect, where a photograph in one scene expands and animates, becoming the ad's next scene. Usually, this also has a photo or other image in it, which also expands and animates...
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raelism Raëlians]] believe that our universe is a tiny particle within the body of a living creature in a much larger universe, and that all atoms in our universe also contain smaller universes similar to the one we live in.



* The Universe has about the size and mass of a ''really big'' black hole (which need not be very dense). It is therefore conceivable that black holes contain universes. (The border of our Universe would therefore be its event horizon.)
** A related fact: Objects in space tend to gather into groups due to gravity, like planets around starts, whereas stars gather into clusters, clusters into galaxies, and galaxies into superclusters. Basically the only thing that isn't a group held together by gravity of its components is the universe itself. This also works in subatomic level. To what extent, we can only guess.
** Gravity does not apply on the quantum level, and the universe isn't much of a "thing" beyond a hole where everything else is.
*** Gravity '''does''' apply on a quantum level, but it doesn't apply significantly, and the other forces typically overwhelm any influence it has.
* Philosopher Nick Bostrom [[http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html has proven]] that if there's ever going to be a recursive simulation of reality, then we're probably in it already.
** This is related to the notion of [[{{Transhuman}} Transhumanism]] and the "Omega Point" theory that technology and human awareness is accelerating exponentially toward an Omega Point where we will be aware of all things in existence. Somewhere a Statistician is Crying...



* In case you're worried about the universe exploding by paradox, here's another thing to worry about: does the set of all items that do not belong in a set include the set itself?
** By definition, a set cannot contain itself. This was an ObviousRulePatch that was made specifically because this case was brought up.
** Early in the 20th-Century, set theory was redefined, automatically avoiding sets containing themselves (or forming loops of containment -- indirect recursive containment). A standard version appears to be [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo%E2%80%93Fraenkel_set_theory ZF Set Theory]]. This may have created new potential recursive paradoxes.
19th Mar '18 6:03:02 PM PaulA
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* In ''VideoGame/TheDarksideDetective'', [=McQueen=] finds a photograph while exploring an eldritch location, which he describes as showing ''you'', the player, playing a video game in which a man in a trenchcoat is looking at a photograph.
18th Mar '18 11:55:01 AM Pinokio
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* The ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' novel ''Arena'' describes card players playing a card game much like ''Magic: The Gathering''. The ''Greensleeves'' trilogy describes a metal bird dropping a metal egg during a vision of the multiverse, which could either be the description of an artifact creature, or a jet plane from Earth, the planet that publishes ''Magic: The Gathering''.
18th Mar '18 11:53:46 AM Pinokio
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* The ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' novel ''Arena'' describes card players playing a card game much like ''Magic: The Gathering''. The ''Greensleeves'' trilogy describes a metal bird dropping a metal egg during a vision of the multiverse, which could either be the description of an artifact creature, or a jet plane from Earth, the planet that publishes ''Magic: The Gathering''.
16th Mar '18 4:56:39 PM nombretomado
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* The Wiki/SCPFoundation has a page of ThisVeryWiki [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-4445-j right here]].

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* The Wiki/SCPFoundation has a page of ThisVeryWiki Wiki/ThisVeryWiki [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-4445-j right here]].
7th Mar '18 12:49:42 PM nombretomado
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* ''[[TitleOfShow [title of show]]]'' is a musical about two guys writing a musical about two guys writing a musical.

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* ''[[TitleOfShow ''[[Theatre/TitleOfShow [title of show]]]'' is a musical about two guys writing a musical about two guys writing a musical.
7th Mar '18 9:18:20 AM batty3108
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** In another episode, Amy plays a game of virtual virtual skeeball-- a simulation of a game of virtual skeeball.

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** In another episode, one character is playing Virtual Skeeball - they have on a headset and gloves, and are moving like they're playig skeeball. Next to them, Amy plays is playing a game of virtual virtual skeeball-- skeeball -- she's sitting serenely on a simulation of chair with a game of headset on, being presented with a virtual reality in which she is wearing a different headset and playing virtual skeeball.
6th Mar '18 7:15:56 PM nombretomado
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* Let's see the ''{{Franchise/Buildingverse}}'' (so ''Webcomic/{{Roommates}}'', ''Webcomic/GirlsNextDoor'' and ''Webcomic/DownTheStreet'' and their [[RecursiveFanfiction assorted fanwork]]) is a {{Megacrossover}} MetaFic 'verse, where the (for them) real stories of the characters, are fictional (so all the responsible people exist. James already placed Creator/OrlandoBloom as his problem with Legolas), that is fictional in [[RealLife ours]], and the cast [[MediumAwareness knows]] [[NoFourthWall this]]. This isn't even accounting for all the {{Dream Within A|Dream}} {{Dream World}}s TheFairFolk can create from the inside, or the possibility for stories being MutuallyFictional, or the ability to travel to the worlds of other fiction (Jareth even managed to "fix" ''Film/{{Inception}}''[[note]]So according to this there is a missing scene, where he brings forth the canonical ending, because Saito messing with his love interest's dreams from Limbo annoyed him.[[/note]]). And don't let us get started on the implied possibility to read the comics [[RecursiveCanon in the comics]]. Is there a true reality? Does the chain of fictionality ever end? We don't know. [[BreakingTheFourthWall You reading this]] [[FridgeHorror could be fictional in some other world/story too]]. ... And this isn't a twist ending, this is one of the most basic facts about these comics. Also the authors read each other's work, and some even Wiki/TVTropes. So questions, ideas, characters etc. flow kinda free between the worlds making up the 'verse. At the end it's either AllFictionIsRealSomewhere or an exceptionally pretty [[SchrodingersButterfly Butterfly]]! [[MindScrew Or both]].

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* Let's see the ''{{Franchise/Buildingverse}}'' ''{{Webcomic/Buildingverse}}'' (so ''Webcomic/{{Roommates}}'', ''Webcomic/GirlsNextDoor'' and ''Webcomic/DownTheStreet'' and their [[RecursiveFanfiction assorted fanwork]]) is a {{Megacrossover}} MetaFic 'verse, where the (for them) real stories of the characters, are fictional (so all the responsible people exist. James already placed Creator/OrlandoBloom as his problem with Legolas), that is fictional in [[RealLife ours]], and the cast [[MediumAwareness knows]] [[NoFourthWall this]]. This isn't even accounting for all the {{Dream Within A|Dream}} {{Dream World}}s TheFairFolk can create from the inside, or the possibility for stories being MutuallyFictional, or the ability to travel to the worlds of other fiction (Jareth even managed to "fix" ''Film/{{Inception}}''[[note]]So according to this there is a missing scene, where he brings forth the canonical ending, because Saito messing with his love interest's dreams from Limbo annoyed him.[[/note]]). And don't let us get started on the implied possibility to read the comics [[RecursiveCanon in the comics]]. Is there a true reality? Does the chain of fictionality ever end? We don't know. [[BreakingTheFourthWall You reading this]] [[FridgeHorror could be fictional in some other world/story too]]. ... And this isn't a twist ending, this is one of the most basic facts about these comics. Also the authors read each other's work, and some even Wiki/TVTropes. So questions, ideas, characters etc. flow kinda free between the worlds making up the 'verse. At the end it's either AllFictionIsRealSomewhere or an exceptionally pretty [[SchrodingersButterfly Butterfly]]! [[MindScrew Or both]].
22nd Jan '18 5:09:26 PM TitoMosquito
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* There was this [[DistractedByTheShiny animated ad years ago for something or other...]] anyway, there's this piano melody. And we see the pianist. Pull out, he's in a bubble, pull out, gets eaten by a fish, which is in a little boy's bathtub, which is in a house, in an apartment block, in a city, on a magazine cover, being read by an Arab on a camel, which is actually on a stamp on an envelope, being delivered by... and on and on until it's all in a little girl's toy city and ''that damn piano melody stops.''

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* There was this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTww-fCuc7Y animated ad]][[note]]once shown on Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}[[/note]] [[DistractedByTheShiny animated ad years ago for something or other...]] anyway, there's this piano melody. And we see the pianist. Pull out, he's in a bubble, pull out, gets eaten by a fish, which is in a little boy's bathtub, which is in a house, in an apartment block, in a city, on a magazine cover, being read by an Arab on a camel, which is actually on a stamp on an envelope, being delivered by... and on and on until it's all in a little girl's toy city and ''that damn piano melody stops.''
14th Jan '18 6:34:18 PM PaulA
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* ''Accounting Plus'', a virtual reality game for UsefulNotes/PlayStation4, begins with the player character starting a job as an accountant, and being instructed to put on an in-game VR helmet to access the accounting software. Doing so instead places the player in a simulation of a forest clearing containing, among other things, another VR helmet; it turns out to be the first of an entire series of nested VR environments, each of which contains a helmet that can be used to access the next (and none of which is the elusive accounting software).
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