History Main / ReasonableAuthorityFigure

23rd Mar '17 5:16:37 PM gb00393
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Ned Stark does his best to keep this ideal, though the effectiveness of his rule is debatable.

to:

** Ned Stark does his best to keep this ideal, though the effectiveness of his rule is debatable. This is Robert's reason for wanting Ned as Hand of the King. In fact, if he had it his way, he'd let Ned rule the Seven Kingdoms with him.
19th Mar '17 4:11:21 PM Katie-P
Is there an issue? Send a Message



to:

* ''Literature/TheMartian'': Every authority figure at every level is a reasonable authority figure. While the various authority figures do clash over certain decisions, everyone remains calm, rational, and level-headed, arguing based on the facts and weighing each decision carefully. Each has a different set of responsibilities to balance, and each knows when to push an issue and when to give in. The professionalism exhibited by every authority figure is one of the strengths of the book.
16th Mar '17 12:43:34 PM BeerBaron
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* One of the first tasks in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' is to go to Balgruuf, the local Jarl (leader of the region), to warn him about the rampaging dragon. Now, dragons have seemingly been extinct for hundreds of years. Most people don't think they exist any more. But upon hearing the firsthand account of the dragon attack (on top of multiple other reports), Balgruuf immediately accepts it, sends soldiers to reinforce undefended towns, and puts his guards on alert. And when it's revealed that the player is Dovahkiin, he instantly recognizes their importance and endeavors to help you in any way possible. Late in the primary storyline, if you backed him up during the civil war and protected Whiterun, he will only be ''slightly'' reluctant to agree to [[spoiler: risk his castle and city by deliberately luring Odahviing into his castle to trap it.]]
** Speaking of Franchise/TheElderScrolls, both Emperor Uriel Septim VII and High Chancellor Ocato are this. It's especially notable for Ocato, given that his predecessor, Jagar Tharn, was the [[EvilChancellor exact opposite]]. When the emperor dies in the intro of ''Oblivion'', Ocato does his very best to hold the Empire together. One of the first acts of the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]] is to assassinate him.
** Also from The Elder Scrolls Series, [[MadGod Sheogorath, The Prince of Madness]], of all people. In Oblivion he gets you to try and stop [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt The End of His Realm as He Knows It]]. And in Skyrim He has you do therapy on the series' equivalent of [[TheCaligula Caligula]]. Though strict and utterly insane, he has a twisted but clear love of his people and will reward any mortal that does what he says to the letter. Which for a Daedric Prince, means quite a lot.
** Sheogorath is somewhat like another Daedric Prince, Azura, in that they seem like Reasonable Authority Figures, to the player and to the Dunmer -- when they get their way. But sweet and nurturing Azura can be every bit as mercilessly vindictive as Sheogorath if she's defied.
** Emperor Titus Mede II is surprisingly reasonable when you meet him [[spoiler: at the conclusion of the Dark Brotherhood assassination quest. He even noted to his own captain of the guard that to dissuade the Dark Brotherhood from an assassination, no matter how unlikely, is pointless, and accepts his death with the grace and dignity befitting his station. Everyone else in the quest appears like squabbling children by comparison.]]

to:

* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** Throughout the series (at least until their deaths), Emperor Uriel Septim VII and High Chancellor Ocato serve in this role. It's especially notable for Ocato, given that his predecessor, Jagar Tharn, was the [[EvilChancellor exact opposite]]. When the Emperor dies in the intro of ''Oblivion'', Ocato does his very best to hold the Empire together. One of the first acts of the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]], in an attempt to destabilize the Empire, is to assassinate him.
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', most of the guilds and Great Houses have at least one such leader. In factions where the majority of the leaders are corrupt (such as the Fighters' Guild and House Telvanni), they are that much more important. Subverted by the ultimate leader of any faction that requires (or even allows) ChallengingTheChief; the Chief in question is ''never'' reasonable.
** In both ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', [[MadGod Sheogorath, The Prince of Madness]], of all people, is one. In the ''Shivering Isles'' expansion of ''Oblivion'', he gets you to try and stop [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt The End of His Realm as He Knows It]]. In ''Skyrim'', he has you do therapy on the series' equivalent of [[TheCaligula Caligula]], former Emperor Pelagius the Mad. Though strict and utterly insane, he has a twisted but clear love of his people and will reward any mortal that does what he says to the letter. Which for a [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Daedric]] [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Prince]], means quite a lot.
** Azura, another Daedric Prince, often seems like this but may [[SubvertedTrope Subvert]] it depending on how one interprets her actions. Her goals ''usually'' align with the best interests of mortals, making her seem very reasonable (especially compared to the other, more malevolent Daedric Princes), but she typically has some very self-serving and often petty motives as well. For example, in the main quest of ''Morrowind'', she guides [[PlayerCharacter the Nerevarine]] in defeating [[BigBad Dagoth]] [[PhysicalGod Ur]], preventing Dagoth from taking over the world and warping it into his twisted vision. However, defeating him involves destroying the source of his godly powers, which is where the Dunmeri [[DeityOfHumanOrigin Tribunal]] ''also'' draw their divine powers. The Tribunal went against her wishes in using the power source thousands of years ago, [[TheRashomon possibly]] killing her beloved champion in the process, and she has had a grudge against them ever since. She qualifies as GoodIsNotNice at the very least; defy her, and she can become as mercilessly vindictive as any other Daedric Prince.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'':
***
One of the first tasks in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' is to go to Balgruuf, the local Jarl (leader of the region), to warn him about the rampaging dragon. Now, dragons have seemingly been extinct for hundreds of years. Most people don't think they exist any more. But upon hearing the firsthand account of the dragon attack (on top of multiple other reports), Balgruuf immediately accepts it, sends soldiers to reinforce undefended towns, and puts his guards on alert. And when it's revealed that the player is Dovahkiin, he instantly recognizes their importance and endeavors to help you in any way possible. Late in the primary storyline, if you backed him up during the civil war and protected Whiterun, he will only be ''slightly'' reluctant to agree to [[spoiler: risk his castle and city by deliberately luring Odahviing into his castle to trap it.]]
** Speaking of Franchise/TheElderScrolls, both Emperor Uriel Septim VII and High Chancellor Ocato are this. It's especially notable for Ocato, given that his predecessor, Jagar Tharn, was the [[EvilChancellor exact opposite]]. When the emperor dies in the intro of ''Oblivion'', Ocato does his very best to hold the Empire together. One of the first acts of the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]] is to assassinate him.
** Also from The Elder Scrolls Series, [[MadGod Sheogorath, The Prince of Madness]], of all people. In Oblivion he gets you to try and stop [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt The End of His Realm as He Knows It]]. And in Skyrim He has you do therapy on the series' equivalent of [[TheCaligula Caligula]]. Though strict and utterly insane, he has a twisted but clear love of his people and will reward any mortal that does what he says to the letter. Which for a Daedric Prince, means quite a lot.
** Sheogorath is somewhat like another Daedric Prince, Azura, in that they seem like Reasonable Authority Figures, to the player and to the Dunmer -- when they get their way. But sweet and nurturing Azura can be every bit as mercilessly vindictive as Sheogorath if she's defied.
**
*** Emperor Titus Mede II is surprisingly reasonable when you meet him [[spoiler: at the conclusion of the Dark Brotherhood assassination quest. He even noted to his own captain of the guard that to dissuade the Dark Brotherhood from an assassination, no matter how unlikely, is pointless, and accepts his death with the grace and dignity befitting his station. Everyone else in the quest appears like squabbling children by comparison.]]
4th Mar '17 2:53:59 AM ArcaneAzmadi
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** However it does remain somewhat ambiguous just how much is truly Anakin's influence. [[spoiler: Palpatine ''does'' very promptly put a RestrainingBolt on Anakin once he's forced to don the armor, so at least everything from the end of Episode III on may indeed be Palpatine's doing.]] Of course, it turns out [[spoiler: he actually put it on '''Padme'''.]]

to:

** However it does remain somewhat ambiguous just how much is truly Anakin's influence. [[spoiler: Palpatine ''does'' very promptly put a RestrainingBolt on Anakin once he's forced to don the armor, so at least everything from the end of Episode III on may indeed be Palpatine's doing.]] Of course, it turns out [[spoiler: he actually put it on '''Padme'''.'''Padme''' after Anakin died. And then it turns out that Anakin's vengeful ghost has been haunting him and driving him to madness.]]
3rd Mar '17 5:54:08 PM GottaHaveFaith
Is there an issue? Send a Message


%%** Maes Hughes is a better example.
2nd Mar '17 4:36:13 AM LentilSandEater
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The Earth King in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. He even had an EvilChancellor, Long Feng, who tried to discredit Aang and co. (among other unpleasantness). He listens to Aang and co. even though they fight their way into his throne room, and is eminently reasonable and rational when deciding their case. He eventually agrees to help plan an invasion of the Fire Nation and arrest Long Feng.
** It's kind of subverted in ''[[ComicBook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderThePromise the Promise]]'' comics: the Earth King refuses to [[spoiler:have an audience with Zuko after the latter withdraws his support of the Harmony Restoration Movement, instead choosing to go to war with the Fire Nation over the colonies.]]
** Chief Hakoda probably qualifies also.
** General Iroh could qualify as well [[spoiler: especially after he lost his son and had no more lust for conquest. He spent the remainder of his life trying to be the voice of reason for Zuko and aimed to influence his nephew from the path of darkness Iroh's evil brother and niece were on.]]
** Monk Gyatso is another canidate as he was looking out for Aang's well-being as a boy while the other elder monks, fearful of a coming war, saw Aang as a small Avatar and wanted to force him to train rather then let Aang mature to be able to handle the responsibility.
** Katara herself becomes this in SequelSeries ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra''. The prime example that unlike the other White Lotus members, who would stop Korra from going to Republic City, she gave her her blessing to go there, remembering how she went on her journey in the original series. That, and she decides to let her son Tenzin train Korra in Airbending.
*** Tenzin as well.

to:

* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'':
**
The Earth King in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. He King, he even had an EvilChancellor, Long Feng, who tried to discredit Aang and co. (among other unpleasantness). He listens to Aang and co. even though they fight their way into his throne room, and is eminently reasonable and rational when deciding their case. He eventually agrees to help plan an invasion of the Fire Nation and arrest Long Feng.
**
Feng. It's kind of subverted averted in ''[[ComicBook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderThePromise the Promise]]'' comics: the Earth King refuses to [[spoiler:have an audience with Zuko after the latter withdraws his support of the Harmony Restoration Movement, instead choosing to go to war with the Fire Nation over the colonies.]]
** %%** Chief Hakoda probably qualifies also.
** %%** General Iroh could qualify as well [[spoiler: especially after he lost his son and had no more lust for conquest. He spent the remainder of his life trying to be the voice of reason for Zuko and aimed to influence his nephew from the path of darkness Iroh's evil brother and niece were on.]]
** %%** Monk Gyatso is another canidate as he was looking out for Aang's well-being as a boy while the other elder monks, fearful of a coming war, saw Aang as a small Avatar and wanted to force him to train rather then let Aang mature to be able to handle the responsibility.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'':
** Katara herself becomes this in SequelSeries ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra''. The has become this, the prime example being that unlike the other White Lotus members, who would stop Korra from going to Republic City, she gave her her blessing to go there, remembering how she went on her journey in the original series. That, and she decides to let her son Tenzin train Korra in Airbending.
*** Tenzin as well.
Airbending.
27th Feb '17 10:44:39 PM Discar
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* ''Literature/WeAreLegionWeAreBob'':
** Dr. Landen, the first person Bob meets when he is awakened. While he works for [[{{Theocracy}} FAITH]], he's not a theocrat. He empathizes with Bob's plight, and warns him about the loyalty switches and kill triggers hidden in his code.
** After Minister Cranston's attempts to control Riker fail, he puts forth a reasonable plan to help other survivors in exchange for special consideration--which is not so much special consideration as it is perfectly fair. It's implied that Homer suggested it, but either way it's a real turn around.
** Although Butterworth and Riker often butt heads, he has a pretty strong bargaining position. He provided the plans for the colony ships, so his people should be the first to go. His biggest problem is that he gets mad about anything that seems to delay construction. Homer goes behind Riker's back to make a deal to delay the ships slightly so that the Spitsbergen ship can be built faster.
21st Feb '17 9:27:13 AM gb00393
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
** Ned Stark does his best to keep this ideal, though the effectiveness of his rule is debatable.
** For all his faults, Lord Tywin was this as Hand to the Mad King, whose reign only fell off the rails after Tywin resigned. He is also instrumental in stabilizing Joffrey's reign after the Battle of Blackwater.
** Daenerys likes to see herself as this and decides to stay in Slaver's Bay to practice it.
21st Feb '17 8:43:58 AM Keys2theARC
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Played with in "Homer Goes to College" where Homer is made to enter a college nuclear physics course to be eligible to work in the power plant. He imagines the dean to be a severe authoritarian like the ''AnimalHouse'' parodies he's watched, and never seems to realise the dean is really a friendly and fair-minded person.
20th Feb '17 5:48:50 PM ading
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': While Principal Snyder skirted on the edge of being TheDragon to the season three BigBad (despite having shown up two seasons earlier), Sunnydale High's other two principals were both {{Reasonable Authority Figure}}s. Principal Flutie meant well and tried to reach out to the students [[spoiler: (and was ''eaten'' for his pains)]], and Principal Wood comes close to joining Buffy's BandOfBrothers.
** [[spoiler: In the end he does]]
** There's also Giles who was reasonable as a Watcher when compared to Wesley (and the rest of the Watchers' Council).
** Believe it or not Faith and Kennedy become this in the comics. The former was leading a squad of slayers in England until they left her over Angel, while the latter formed an agency of former slayers turned BodyguardBabes and showed how reasonable she had become when Buffy worked for her, royally screws up, plans to skip, and attacked her. [[spoiler: The ending to ''Angel & Faith'' suggests the two will be working together.]]

to:

* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': While Principal Snyder skirted on the edge of being TheDragon to the season three BigBad (despite having shown up two seasons earlier), Sunnydale High's other two principals were both {{Reasonable Authority Figure}}s. Principal Flutie meant well and tried to reach out to the students [[spoiler: (and was ''eaten'' for his pains)]], and Principal Wood comes close to joining Buffy's BandOfBrothers.
** [[spoiler: In
BandOfBrothers [[spoiler:and does in the end he does]]
end.]]
** There's also Giles who was reasonable as a Watcher when compared to Wesley (and the rest of the Watchers' Council).
Council). He understandably often tries to get Buffy to take her studies more seriously, but he's also one of the few Watchers who doesn't feel the need to prevent her from having friends or a life outside of slaying.
** Believe it or not Faith and Kennedy become this in the comics. The former was leading a squad of slayers in England until they left her over Angel, while the latter formed an agency of former slayers turned BodyguardBabes and showed how reasonable she had become when Buffy worked for her, royally screws up, plans to skip, and attacked her. [[spoiler: The ending to ''Angel & Faith'' suggests the two will be working together.]]
This list shows the last 10 events of 417. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.ReasonableAuthorityFigure