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12th Aug '17 4:26:20 AM SplineTicker
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* Gates Becker, one of [[PlayerCharacter Jonathan]]'s fellow former VisualNovel/{{Policenauts}}. Despite Jonathan being a mere PrivateDetective with no authority on [[SpaceStation Beyond Coast]], Gates allows Jonathan to carry out his investigation, keep his firearm in his possession, and even allows Jonathan's ex-partner Ed to help Jonathan with his investigation. [[spoiler:Then {{subverted}} when Gates reveals himself to be part of TheConspiracy, and only allowed Jonathan's investigations as a means to frame Jonathan for murder.]]
12th Aug '17 2:05:06 AM SeptimusHeap
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** Dr. Irie might be a straighter example from the same series. Except for the whole, you know, {{Lolicon}} thing, and even that might be a joke. The problem is, once he figures out what's going on [[spoiler:it's not always to the benefit of the person telling him what's going on]].

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** Dr. Irie might be a straighter example from the same series. Except for the whole, you know, {{Lolicon}} paedophilia thing, and even that might be a joke. The problem is, once he figures out what's going on [[spoiler:it's not always to the benefit of the person telling him what's going on]].
11th Aug '17 6:48:38 PM Caswin
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* In ''Film/{{Terminator}}'', Lieutenant Ed Traxler and Detective Vukovich take the situation seriously, and do their best to save Sarah Connor when they realize she's the "Phone Book Killer's" most likely next target. Face-to-face with our protagonists, they're not so apt to believe Kyle Reese's wild descriptions of a "Terminator" in human flesh sent back to their time from AfterTheEnd, but -- more than the unfortunately sneering condescension of Dr. Silberman -- recognize a situation bad enough to rattle anyone and make a very respectable go at DoingInTheWizard, except, unfortunately, they live in a world where their wild-eyed hobo with a shotgun is ''right.''
10th Aug '17 9:28:56 AM BeerBaron
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*** Tsun, the old Nordic god of "trials against adversity" and [[BodyguardingABadass shield-thane]] of [[TopGod Shor]], is met in [[spoiler:[[WarriorHeaven Sovngarde]]]] and qualifies. According to Kodlak Whitemane's journals, in his dreams he saw Tsun turn his back and refuse to let any Harbinger of the Companions enter Sovngarde after they chose to embrace Lycanthrophy, instead letting the Daedric Prince Hircine drag their souls off to his realm. However, when it came Kodlak's turn, Tsun came down from his post to watch the Dragonborn fight alongside Kodlak's spirit to cleanse it of the curse, before gladly accepting him into Sovngarde as a true Nord. Likewise, Tsun will still give you [[DuelBoss a chance to prove yourself in combat]] even if you earn his disgust and hatred by declaring yourself [[ThievesGuild Nightingale]] or [[MouthOfSauron Listener]].
3rd Aug '17 10:29:56 AM BeerBaron
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** Azura, a [[OurGodsAredifferent Daedric Prince]], often seems like this but may [[SubvertedTrope Subvert]] it depending on how one interprets her actions. Her goals ''usually'' align with the best interests of mortals, making her seem very reasonable (especially compared to the other, more malevolent Daedric Princes), but she typically has some very self-serving and often petty motives as well. For example, in the main quest of ''Morrowind'', she guides [[PlayerCharacter the Nerevarine]] in defeating [[BigBad Dagoth]] [[PhysicalGod Ur]], preventing Dagoth from taking over the world and warping it into his twisted vision. However, defeating him involves destroying the source of his godly powers, which is where the Dunmeri [[DeityOfHumanOrigin Tribunal]] ''also'' draw their divine powers. The Tribunal went against her wishes in using the power source thousands of years ago, [[TheRashomon possibly]] killing her beloved champion in the process, and she has had a grudge against them ever since. She qualifies as GoodIsNotNice at the very least; defy her, and she can become as mercilessly vindictive as any other Daedric Prince.
** Zenithar, the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Aedric Divine]] God of Work and Commerce, is one. He is said to be the deity most in touch with the mortal world and preaches the benefits of being a HonestCorporateExecutive. He is also described as a "[[WarGod warrior god]]'', but "one who is reserved and restrained in times of peace". His followers call him "the god who will always win" as he [[XanatosGambit stands to gain from any action]].



** Azura, another Daedric Prince, often seems like this but may [[SubvertedTrope Subvert]] it depending on how one interprets her actions. Her goals ''usually'' align with the best interests of mortals, making her seem very reasonable (especially compared to the other, more malevolent Daedric Princes), but she typically has some very self-serving and often petty motives as well. For example, in the main quest of ''Morrowind'', she guides [[PlayerCharacter the Nerevarine]] in defeating [[BigBad Dagoth]] [[PhysicalGod Ur]], preventing Dagoth from taking over the world and warping it into his twisted vision. However, defeating him involves destroying the source of his godly powers, which is where the Dunmeri [[DeityOfHumanOrigin Tribunal]] ''also'' draw their divine powers. The Tribunal went against her wishes in using the power source thousands of years ago, [[TheRashomon possibly]] killing her beloved champion in the process, and she has had a grudge against them ever since. She qualifies as GoodIsNotNice at the very least; defy her, and she can become as mercilessly vindictive as any other Daedric Prince.
27th Jul '17 9:59:20 AM Necrodomo
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* Baraas, the [[PowersThatBe Elder Power]] of Society and Cooperation in ''[[NexusWar Nexus Clash]]'', is this. He creates systems to keep people working together, teaches a downright sensible ideology in a setting full of zealots of one kind or another, and keeps the CouncilOfAngels he's a part of intact. Subverted somewhat in that even ''he'' is too [[GodIsFlawed flawed]] to create a perfect world and so end the ViciousCycle of universal death and rebirth that ends the series. In the latest world that he shaped, humanity was so cooperative and structured that it consolidated into two opposing networks of tightly-held alliances that wound up destroying the world in a nuclear war.

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* Baraas, the [[PowersThatBe Elder Power]] of Society and Cooperation in ''[[NexusWar Nexus Clash]]'', is this. He creates systems to keep people working together, teaches a downright sensible ideology in a setting full of zealots of one kind or another, and keeps the CouncilOfAngels that he's a part of intact. Subverted somewhat in that even ''he'' is too [[GodIsFlawed flawed]] to create a perfect world and so end the ViciousCycle of universal death and rebirth that ends drives the series. In the latest world that he shaped, humanity was so cooperative and structured that it consolidated into two opposing networks of tightly-held alliances that wound up destroying the world in a nuclear war.
27th Jul '17 9:58:44 AM Necrodomo
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* Baraas, the [[PowersThatBe Elder Power]] of Society and Cooperation in ''[[NexusWar Nexus Clash]]'', is this. He creates systems to keep people working together, teaches a downright sensible ideology in a setting full of zealots of one kind or another, and keeps the CouncilOfAngels he's a part of intact. Subverted somewhat in that even ''he'' is too [[GodIsFlawed flawed]] to create a perfect world and so end the ViciousCycle of universal death and rebirth that ends the series. In the latest world that he shaped, humanity was so cooperative and structured that it consolidated into two opposing networks of tightly-held alliances that wound up destroying the world in a nuclear war.
22nd Jul '17 3:00:31 PM Theriocephalus
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* The ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'' has many of them:
** Celestia, as is to be expected, is this, generally acting in the absolute best interests of her subjects. Luna is a bit more harsh, but ultimately also this trope.
** Cadence is very kind and polite, both to her subjects and to her guard detail.
** Shining Armor is a firm Captain of the Harmony Guard, but is a kind and just one. His squad comes to consider him and each other TrueCompanions and are genuinely enraged when they discover [[spoiler:Chrysalis has brainwashed him into her slave, and if Cadence hadn't saved him, they were going to give it a shot.]]
** Most of the rulers Shining and Cadence meet on their world tour count. [[spoiler:Including the ActualPacifist Mother Deer, the Deer's ''true'' ruler.]]
** Queen Tiamat and King Bahamut, the [[GodEmperor Gods and Rulers of the Dragons]], view their entire species as their children, and are generally kind and good to their allies as well (of which Celestia and Luna are included). Though Queen Tiamat wasn't ''always'' this trope and needed to grow into it, while Bahamut always was.
** The Pantheon in general are LawfulGood (the Alicorns) or ChaoticGood (the Draconequi) (with the exception of the [[EldritchAbomination Outer Concepts]], but even they aren't [[BlueAndOrangeMorality very evil]]) and just desire to make life in the universe thrive and when encountered by mortals generally act respectful and nice.
** Havoc, the [[TopGod male Elder]] of the Draconequi, is relatively this. While he is the AnthropomorphicPersonification of Fear itself and the Warden of Tartarus, he's generally polite, hears mortals out when he actually talks with them, and gives straight answers. [[spoiler:He's also the BigGood for the CMC's journey during the Rumors Arc, doing his best to help them stop Discord's endgame plan.]] His wife is much less reasonable, but she's also the personification of Endings, and thus normally doesn't do much of anything until the end of the universe where she ''eats'' what's left after Heat Death happens. Even then, she's also the End of Suffering and hates the concept of suffering without end.
** The Alicorn Elders, Fauna Luster and the Father of All Alicorns, are the personifications of Empathy and Wisdom respectfully, with Fauna Luster literally being the mother of all creation and the Father being ''HEAVEN'', so both naturally are this. Both answer questions without complaint, treat beings they meet with respect and kindness, and generally are kind and benevolent.

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* ** The ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'' has many of them:
** *** Celestia, as is to be expected, is this, generally acting in the absolute best interests of her subjects. Luna is a bit more harsh, but ultimately also this trope.
** *** Cadence is very kind and polite, both to her subjects and to her guard detail.
** *** Shining Armor is a firm Captain of the Harmony Guard, but is a kind and just one. His squad comes to consider him and each other TrueCompanions and are genuinely enraged when they discover [[spoiler:Chrysalis has brainwashed him into her slave, and if Cadence hadn't saved him, they were going to give it a shot.]]
** *** Most of the rulers Shining and Cadence meet on their world tour count. [[spoiler:Including the ActualPacifist Mother Deer, the Deer's ''true'' ruler.]]
** *** Queen Tiamat and King Bahamut, the [[GodEmperor Gods and Rulers of the Dragons]], view their entire species as their children, and are generally kind and good to their allies as well (of which Celestia and Luna are included). Though Queen Tiamat wasn't ''always'' this trope and needed to grow into it, while Bahamut always was.
** *** The Pantheon in general are LawfulGood (the Alicorns) or ChaoticGood (the Draconequi) (with the exception of the [[EldritchAbomination Outer Concepts]], but even they aren't [[BlueAndOrangeMorality very evil]]) and just desire to make life in the universe thrive and when encountered by mortals generally act respectful and nice.
** *** Havoc, the [[TopGod male Elder]] of the Draconequi, is relatively this. While he is the AnthropomorphicPersonification of Fear itself and the Warden of Tartarus, he's generally polite, hears mortals out when he actually talks with them, and gives straight answers. [[spoiler:He's also the BigGood for the CMC's journey during the Rumors Arc, doing his best to help them stop Discord's endgame plan.]] His wife is much less reasonable, but she's also the personification of Endings, and thus normally doesn't do much of anything until the end of the universe where she ''eats'' what's left after Heat Death happens. Even then, she's also the End of Suffering and hates the concept of suffering without end.
** *** The Alicorn Elders, Fauna Luster and the Father of All Alicorns, are the personifications of Empathy and Wisdom respectfully, with Fauna Luster literally being the mother of all creation and the Father being ''HEAVEN'', so both naturally are this. Both answer questions without complaint, treat beings they meet with respect and kindness, and generally are kind and benevolent.
** In ''FanFic/TheBridge'', quite a few of the higher ups in Equestria are this, by logic of they wouldn't be in power for a long term without it.
*** Princess Celestia might as well be this trope personified, having a millennia of experience and being forced to "grow up" very quickly after the Nightmare Moon incident. She managed to defuse an entire civil war from even happening with logic and comedy of all things as she knew force would only make things worse.
*** Princess Luna is less experienced than her sister and can be a bit quick to the trigger if the situation seems dire, but once she knows who's on the side of good she unfailingly helps them.
*** A good chunk of the elected officials like Mayor Mare and numerous nobles like Fancy Pants also keep a level had even with the chaos and confusion caused by the kaiju being revealed. Even Archduke Blueblood, while very haughty and smug, works to keep the situation as calm, rational, and clear as possible.



* In ''FanFic/{{Fractured}}'', a ''MassEffect''[=/=]''StarWars''[=/=]''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}'' [[MassiveMultiplayerCrossover crossover]] we get the usual inversion of the [[ObstructiveBureaucrat Citadel Council]] alongside extra-galactic newcomers like Admiral Adam Grayson. The Local Cluster Council and Federated Cluster Union appear to be this compared to aforementioned Council because they recognize the Reapers as a legitimate threat as well. In the [[FanFic/SovereignGFCOrigins sequel]], Admiral Allison Nimitz replaces Grayson in the military version of the trope, while Grayson becomes a BigGood bureaucrat who tries to push the Council in a less HeadInTheSandManagement direction. Urnot Wrex remains one for his entire species--continually urging them away from pure BloodKnight tendencies. Wolf Schmidt offers plenty of assistance through advanced technology [[spoiler:but considering he works for the Republic Intelligence Service he may have an ulterior motive.]]

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* In ''FanFic/{{Fractured}}'', a ''MassEffect''[=/=]''StarWars''[=/=]''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}'' [[MassiveMultiplayerCrossover crossover]] we get the usual inversion of the [[ObstructiveBureaucrat Citadel Council]] alongside extra-galactic newcomers like Admiral Adam Grayson. The Local Cluster Council and Federated Cluster Union appear to be this compared to aforementioned Council because they recognize the Reapers as a legitimate threat as well. In the [[FanFic/SovereignGFCOrigins sequel]], Admiral Allison Nimitz replaces Grayson in the military version of the trope, while Grayson becomes a BigGood bureaucrat who tries to push the Council in a less HeadInTheSandManagement direction. Urnot Wrex remains one for his entire species--continually urging them away from pure BloodKnight tendencies. Wolf Schmidt offers plenty of assistance through advanced technology [[spoiler:but considering he works for the Republic Intelligence Service he may have an ulterior motive.]]motive]].



* In ''FanFic/TheBridge'', quite a few of the higher ups in Equestria are this, by logic of they wouldn't be in power for a long term without it.
** Princess Celestia might as well be this trope personified, having a millennia of experience and being forced to "grow up" very quickly after the Nightmare Moon incident. She managed to defuse an entire civil war from even happening with logic and comedy of all things as she knew force would only make things worse.
** Princess Luna is less experienced than her sister and can be a bit quick to the trigger if the situation seems dire, but once she knows who's on the side of good she unfailingly helps them.
** A good chunk of the elected officials like Mayor Mare and numerous nobles like Fancy Pants also keep a level had even with the chaos and confusion caused by the kaiju being revealed. Even Archduke Blueblood, while very haughty and smug, works to keep the situation as calm, rational, and clear as possible.
22nd Jul '17 2:33:32 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''FanFic/RosarioVampireBrightestDarkness'':
** The elder angel who serves as Rason and Gabriel's superior is initially the only angel besides Rason willing to give monsters a chance, and arranges for Rason to attend Yokai Academy to prove his point.
** Hothorne Tamaka, the director of the HDA. Unlike most of the others, he actually does believe that some monsters can be good and meets with Moka and Akasha in Act VI to negotiate.
21st Jul '17 12:36:11 PM gb00393
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** For all his faults, Lord Tywin was this as Hand to the Mad King, whose reign only fell off the rails after Tywin resigned. He is also instrumental in stabilizing Joffrey's reign after the Battle of Blackwater.

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** For all his faults, Lord Tywin was this as Hand to the Mad King, whose reign only fell off the rails after Tywin resigned. He'll push through his ultimate decision at the end of every dispute, but he's willing to listen to reason if it genuinely suits his purposes.
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He is also instrumental in stabilizing Joffrey's reign after the Battle of Blackwater.Blackwater.
*** Despite his relationships with his children, he continues to practice PragmaticVillainy with them. While he ''loathes'' Tyrion, he trusts him as Hand until Tywin himself arrives to fill the role, and preludes a brutal TheReasonYouSuckSpeech in Season 3 by telling Tyrion he will be given quarters and a position more suitable for his talents and standing, and keeps his word by naming him Master of Coin. Cersei, on the other hand, is told outright that she is "not as clever as she thinks she is" and kept out of important decisions to the best of his ability.
*** He is disgusted by Loras Tyrell's homosexuality, but still respects the young man's fighting skills and wishes to use them Tywin did allow Loras to command the vanguard at the Battle of Blackwater, after all, and even to do so wearing his late lover's armor.
*** He thinks Ser Gregor's torture of prisoners is a waste of time and stops it.
*** He recognizes Arya as a girl very quickly. Later, he deduces (correctly) that she is i) a Northerner and ii) highborn, but realises that she is alone in the world and her actions are to protect herself.
*** Despite his behavior before Joffrey, he ''is'' fully aware that Daenaerys will eventually bring her three dragons to Westeros; Tywin knows Dorne was the only country to withstand Aegon I and his dragons, so he is willing to bargain with Oberyn Martell.
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