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10th Mar '17 4:02:40 PM BattleMaster
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* ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' runs off this trope. Multiple star empires fighting for control of Terra and each other. WordOfGod is that the setting will never see sentient alien life because a hostile non-human force would break the dynamic too much.
4th Mar '17 9:45:17 PM FurryKef
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** In the 2016 US Presidential elections, both candidates were polling below 50% for much of the campaign (One poll among millenials found that both candidates polled lower than a third term for Obama, a machine that would select at random one eligible person who wasn't Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton, and [[Film/{{Armageddon}} a meteor the size of Texas striking the planet]].). A few optimists saw the possibility of a third party voting would increase, but in the end, many people voted for one candidate because they could not stand the other. In the end, overall voting was a record low (in spite of record early voter turn out), but exit polling revealed that Donald Trump actually did a few points better with minority votes than 2012 candidate UsefulNotes/MittRomney while Hilary Clinton had lost a larger percentage of minority voters than the gains seen by Trump (indicating other candidates or non-voting).

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** In the 2016 US Presidential elections, both candidates were polling below 50% for much of the campaign campaign. (One poll among millenials millennials found that both candidates polled lower than a third term for Obama, a machine that would select at random one eligible person who wasn't Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton, and [[Film/{{Armageddon}} a meteor the size of Texas striking the planet]].). ) A few optimists saw the possibility of a third party voting would increase, but in the end, many people voted for one candidate because they could not stand the other. In the end, overall voting was a record low (in spite of record early voter turn out), but exit polling revealed that Donald Trump actually did a few points better with minority votes than 2012 candidate UsefulNotes/MittRomney while Hilary Clinton had lost a larger percentage of minority voters than the gains seen by Trump (indicating other candidates or non-voting).
4th Mar '17 9:43:36 PM FurryKef
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** In the 2016 US Presidential elections, both candidates were polling below 50% for much of the campaign (One poll among millenials found that both candidates polled lower than a third term for Obama, a machine that would select at random one eligible person who wasn't Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton, and [[Film/Armageddon a meteor the size of Texas striking the planet.]]). A few optimists saw the possibility of a third party voting would increase, but in the end, many people voted for one candidate because they could not stand the other. In the end, overall voting was a record low (in spite of record early voter turn out), but exit polling revealed that Donald Trump actually did a few points better with minority votes than 2012 candidate UsefulNotes/MittRomney while Hilary Clinton had lost a larger percentage of minority voters than the gains seen by Trump (indicating other candidates or non-voting).

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** In the 2016 US Presidential elections, both candidates were polling below 50% for much of the campaign (One poll among millenials found that both candidates polled lower than a third term for Obama, a machine that would select at random one eligible person who wasn't Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton, and [[Film/Armageddon [[Film/{{Armageddon}} a meteor the size of Texas striking the planet.]]).planet]].). A few optimists saw the possibility of a third party voting would increase, but in the end, many people voted for one candidate because they could not stand the other. In the end, overall voting was a record low (in spite of record early voter turn out), but exit polling revealed that Donald Trump actually did a few points better with minority votes than 2012 candidate UsefulNotes/MittRomney while Hilary Clinton had lost a larger percentage of minority voters than the gains seen by Trump (indicating other candidates or non-voting).
4th Mar '17 9:42:39 PM FurryKef
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** Also a credit to the defeat of UsefulNotes/HilaryClinton in 2016. [[UsefulNotes/BernieSander Bernie Sander's]] supporters were disillusioned with Clinton's primary victory, especially in light of tactics used by the DNC that favored Clinton over Bernie. In the lead up and initial follow up, many feared that defeat would happen if enough of the Sander's supporters were ticked off enough to vote for Third Party candidates. As it turns out, they [[TookAThirdOption took a fourth option and didn't vote at all.]] It should be noted that this isn't the first time Hilary's primary support caused trouble. In 2008, she stayed in the primary for far longer than most Obama supporters wanted and turned to some tactics that turned off many independent voters. While the party still managed to win in the general election, a Democratic Victory wasn't nearly as assured as it had been in the beginning of the primary season.

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** Also a credit to the defeat of UsefulNotes/HilaryClinton UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton in 2016. [[UsefulNotes/BernieSander Bernie Sander's]] UsefulNotes/BernieSanders' supporters were disillusioned with Clinton's primary victory, especially in light of tactics used by the DNC that favored Clinton over Bernie. In the lead up and initial follow up, many feared that defeat would happen if enough of the Sander's Sanders' supporters were ticked off enough to vote for Third Party third-party candidates. As it turns out, they [[TookAThirdOption took a fourth option and didn't vote at all.]] all]]. It should be noted that this isn't the first time Hilary's Hillary's primary support caused trouble. In 2008, she stayed in the primary for far longer than most Obama supporters wanted and turned to some tactics that turned off many independent voters. While the party still managed to win in the general election, a Democratic Victory victory wasn't nearly as assured as it had been in the beginning of the primary season.
23rd Feb '17 8:15:01 AM hszmv1
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** Also a credit to the defeat of UsefulNotes/HilaryClinton in 2016. [[UsefulNotes/BernieSander Bernie Sander's]] supporters were disillusioned with Clinton's primary victory, especially in light of tactics used by the DNC that favored Clinton over Bernie. In the lead up and initial follow up, many feared that defeat would happen if enough of the Sander's supporters were ticked off enough to vote for Third Party candidates. As it turns out, they [[TookAThirdOption took a fourth option and didn't vote at all.]] It should be noted that this isn't the first time Hilary's primary support caused trouble. In 2008, she stayed in the primary for far longer than most Obama supporters wanted and turned to some tactics that turned off many independent voters. While the party still managed to win in the general election, a Democratic Victory wasn't nearly as assured as it had been in the beginning of the primary season.


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** In the 2016 US Presidential elections, both candidates were polling below 50% for much of the campaign (One poll among millenials found that both candidates polled lower than a third term for Obama, a machine that would select at random one eligible person who wasn't Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton, and [[Film/Armageddon a meteor the size of Texas striking the planet.]]). A few optimists saw the possibility of a third party voting would increase, but in the end, many people voted for one candidate because they could not stand the other. In the end, overall voting was a record low (in spite of record early voter turn out), but exit polling revealed that Donald Trump actually did a few points better with minority votes than 2012 candidate UsefulNotes/MittRomney while Hilary Clinton had lost a larger percentage of minority voters than the gains seen by Trump (indicating other candidates or non-voting).
1st Feb '17 8:17:48 AM MAI742
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* One of the most well-known examples of this was the Western Allies allying with the Soviet Union during WW2. On one side, you had a group of largely democratic countries (most of which, admittedly, had large, distinctly un-democratically-run Empires) who had a strong history of anti-Communism. On the other, you had a totalitarian Communist state which had killed nearly a million of its own people as ideological enemies and imprisoned a few million more. What brought them together-- the ''only'' thing, even --was a common EnemyMine in the form of ThoseWackyNazis. While this did lead to beneficial co-operation between the two powers, it also led to things such as what some have called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal the Western Betrayal]]. Winston Churchill, a vehement anti-Communist, rather famously summed it up as:

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* One of the most well-known examples of this was the Western Allies allying with the Soviet Union Comintern during WW2. On one side, you had side was a group series of largely democratic countries (most of which, admittedly, had large, distinctly un-democratically-run Empires) deeply racist empires who had a strong history of anti-Communism. On despised but just-barely tolerated the other, you had a totalitarian racially-acceptable poor, [[BaitAndSwitch and on the other there were ruthless Communist state which had killed nearly a million of its own people as ideological enemies and imprisoned a few million more.dicatorships]]. What brought them together-- the ''only'' thing, even --was a common EnemyMine in the form of ThoseWackyNazis. While this did lead to beneficial co-operation between the two powers, it also led to things such as what some have called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal the Western Betrayal]]. Winston Churchill, a vehement anti-Communist, rather famously summed it up as:
23rd Jan '17 2:45:28 PM KeithM
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[[/folder]]** In Canada, prior to the 2015 federal election, there were open discussions among voters about strategic voting between the NDP and the Liberals in order to knock the Conservatives--who had been in power for 10 years, never with an absolute majority of the vote--out of office. What they suggested was that in ridings where it was quite clear that either the Liberal candidate or NDP candidate would probably be in third place that said third-place candidate's potential voters should instead vote for the candidate (Liberal or NDP) who would be in ''second'' place, which would, theoretically, allow them to beat the Conservative who would otherwise win a three-way (or more) race by a plurality.
12th Dec '16 10:51:04 AM SLOOGOVS
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** The Empire is run by Baron Klaus Wulphenbach, who is from a minor house but still managed to conquer via sheer power. He rules rather fairly after a vassal state joins, allowing all states freedom for their rules to rule as they see fit unless they posses forbidden Other technology or try to start a war. His "Pax Transylvania" is noted to mostly mean "don't make me come over there." Klaus' general paranoia, borne of running this empre and teaching with the Other, have left him unable to view [[TheHero Agatha]] as anything but a threat.

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** The Empire is run by Baron Klaus Wulphenbach, who is from a minor house but still managed to conquer via sheer power. He rules rather fairly after a vassal state joins, allowing all states freedom for their rules to rule as they see fit unless they posses forbidden Other technology or try to start a war. His "Pax Transylvania" is noted to mostly mean "don't make me come over there." Klaus' general paranoia, borne of running this empre empire and teaching with the Other, have left him unable to view [[TheHero Agatha]] as anything but a threat.
29th Sep '16 12:39:21 PM Morgenthaler
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** JosephStalin was also one hell of a pragmatist - firstly, he [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapallo_Treaty organized]] mutual aid with Weimar Germany, as they were both troubled pariah states, despite Germany being a capitalist republic. He also abandoned Lenin's ideas of world revolution, focusing on "Building socialism in one country", and hijacked Trotsky's ideas of hyper-industrialisation. After Hitler's takeover, he still traded with Germany; then he tried to ally with the Entente against Hitler; after seeing their reluctance to stop him, he [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact negotiated]] with Hitler, despite his rabid anti-communism, while re-arming and organizing the army. During WorldWarTwo he united Russians with ideas of succession between TsaristRussia and the USSR, glorifying old-time heroes like Alexander Nevsky or Admiral Ushakov, painting old invaders like UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte or Teutonic Knights as ANaziByAnyOtherName. After the war, despite anti-Semitic politics, he lobbied the UN for the creation of Israel.

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** JosephStalin UsefulNotes/JosephStalin was also one hell of a pragmatist - firstly, he [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapallo_Treaty organized]] mutual aid with Weimar Germany, as they were both troubled pariah states, despite Germany being a capitalist republic. He also abandoned Lenin's ideas of world revolution, focusing on "Building socialism in one country", and hijacked Trotsky's ideas of hyper-industrialisation. After Hitler's takeover, he still traded with Germany; then he tried to ally with the Entente against Hitler; after seeing their reluctance to stop him, he [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact negotiated]] with Hitler, despite his rabid anti-communism, while re-arming and organizing the army. During WorldWarTwo he united Russians with ideas of succession between TsaristRussia and the USSR, glorifying old-time heroes like Alexander Nevsky or Admiral Ushakov, painting old invaders like UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte or Teutonic Knights as ANaziByAnyOtherName. After the war, despite anti-Semitic politics, he lobbied the UN for the creation of Israel.
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