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26th Jul '16 10:10:52 PM otakusapien
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* [[Literature/CutAndRun Nick O'Flaherty]] is Irish Catholic. He makes no mention of going to church and isn't really shown praying, but he's apparently practicing enough to ''stop dead in the middle of being chased by two groups of heavily armed men'' after running by a cathedral and realizing it's Easter Sunday and they might be about to kill people. He makes sure to cross himself before his friends pull him back to the chase.

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* [[Literature/CutAndRun Nick O'Flaherty]] is Irish Catholic. He makes no mention of going to church and isn't really shown praying, but he's apparently practicing enough to ''stop dead in the middle of being chased by two groups of heavily an armed men'' chase scene'' after running by a cathedral church and realizing it's Easter Sunday and they he might be about to kill people. people on Easter Sunday. [[PlayedForLaughs He makes sure to cross himself before his friends pull him back to the chase.]]
26th Jul '16 10:08:10 PM otakusapien
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* [[Literature/CutAndRun Nick O'Flaherty]] is Irish Catholic. He makes no mention of going to church and isn't really shown praying, but he's apparently practicing enough to ''stop dead in the middle of being chased by two groups of heavily armed men'' after running by a cathedral and realizing it's Easter Sunday and they might be about to kill people. He makes sure to cross himself before his friends pull him back to the chase.
-->'''Nick''': I'm going to Hell anyway, I don't know why I bother anymore.



* [[Literature/CutAndRun Nick O'Flaherty]] is Irish Catholic. He makes no mention of going to church and isn't really shown praying, but he's apparently practicing enough to ''stop dead in the middle of being chased by two groups of heavily armed men'' after running by a cathedral and realizing it's Easter Sunday and they might be about to kill people. He makes sure to cross himself before his friends pull him back to the chase.
-->'''Nick''': I'm going to Hell anyway, I don't know why I bother anymore.
26th Jul '16 10:06:14 PM otakusapien
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* [[Literature/CutAndRun Nick O'Flaherty]] is Irish Catholic. He makes no mention of going to church and isn't really shown praying, but he's apparently practicing enough to ''stop dead in the middle of being chased by two groups of heavily armed men'' after running by a cathedral and realizing it's Easter Sunday and they might be about to kill people. He makes sure to cross himself before his friends pull him back to the chase.
-->'''Nick''': I'm going to Hell anyway, I don't know why I bother anymore.
5th Jun '16 9:01:56 PM johnnye
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->''"I wouldn't be a very spiritual man, right. I don't believe in God, right. Still Catholic. Because there's nothing you can do when you're Catholic. Once you've started Catholic, frankly, there's no real way to stop being Catholic. Even not believing in God isn't regarded as sufficient reason to get out of the Catholic Church."''

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->''"I wouldn't be a very spiritual man, right. I don't believe in God, right. Still Still, Catholic. Because there's nothing you can do when you're Catholic. Once you've started Catholic, frankly, there's no real way to stop being Catholic. Even not believing in God isn't regarded as sufficient reason to get out of the Catholic Church."''



** It also may have something to do with the fact that Catholics are taught Baptism leaves an ''indelible mark on their soul.''
** This is particularly true in the Philippines as well. While Catholicism is a part of local culture and that there are groups of pious devotees, actual religious practice in general (at least in formal terms) varies considerably.
** This also true for a lot of Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans. Most will tell you that they're Catholic, but ask if they go to church regularly or even believe in God...
** Of course in UsefulNotes/NorthernIreland (and, to a lesser extent, Glasgow), a person's professed creed is used by many as a badge of their ethnic background and political allegiance over the whole Stroke issue. (See the joke about this above- it's not the only time that's been claimed to have happened to an outsider).
* A poll from a religious magazine directed at Catholics in France has concluded that 48% of them don't believe in God. Not 48% of the French, 48% ''of the Catholics''.
** And in contrast to Ireland, France enjoys the world's most ironclad separation of church and state so getting your kids into school isn't an issue. This is purely a matter of belief and self-identification.
*** However, Americans might find their version of "separation" baffling.... the government OWNS the church buildings (a leftover from the monarchist era when church and state were very much intertwined), and just lets Christians use them (rent-free).
*** This is because most churches are hundreds of year old and of historical and artistic importance and value. So giving them to the Christians was out of the question. But letting them using them and taking care of them left everybody happy.

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** It also may Of course in UsefulNotes/NorthernIreland (and some parts of the Republic to a lesser extent, as well as other places that have something experienced sectarian tension, such as Glasgow), a person's professed creed is used by many as a badge of their ethnic background and political allegiance over the whole Stroke issue. Religious ''identity'' has taken on a cultural importance that can still matter to do people even if they don't have any truck with the fact that Catholics are taught Baptism leaves "belief" part. (See the joke by Quentin Crisp above- it's not the only time that's been claimed to have happened to an ''indelible mark on their soul.''
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outsider).
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This is particularly true in the Philippines as well. While Catholicism is a part of local culture and that there are groups of pious devotees, actual religious practice in general (at least in formal terms) varies considerably.
** This also true for a lot of Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans. Most will tell you that they're Catholic, but ask if they go to church regularly or even believe in God...
** Of course in UsefulNotes/NorthernIreland (and, to a lesser extent, Glasgow), a person's professed creed is used by many as a badge of their ethnic background and political allegiance over the whole Stroke issue. (See the joke about this above- it's not the only time that's been claimed to have happened to an outsider).
* A poll from a religious magazine directed at Catholics in France has concluded that 48% of them don't believe in God. Not 48% of the French, 48% ''of the Catholics''.
** And in
Catholics''. In contrast to Ireland, France enjoys the world's most ironclad separation of church and state so getting your kids into school isn't an issue. This is purely a matter of belief and self-identification.
*** However, Americans might find their version of "separation" baffling.... the government OWNS the church buildings (a leftover from the monarchist era when church and state were very much intertwined), and just lets Christians use them (rent-free).
*** This is because most churches are hundreds of year old and of historical and artistic importance and value. So giving them to the Christians was out of the question. But letting them using them and taking care of them left everybody happy.
self-identification.
5th Jun '16 8:55:36 PM johnnye
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* ComicBook/ThePunisher was raised Catholic and even (briefly) considered going into the seminary when he was still a teenager, but had major issues with the business of forgiving sinners. Of course, as shown in [[Comicbook/ThePunisherMAX the MAX imprint]] story "The Tyger", he'd seen horrible crimes even in his childhood. Particularly in stories written by Garth Ennis, he is shown as fully aware that his violent war on crime has ***ed him to Hell and there is no hope for forgiveness, he ''just doesn't care.'' He's gone light-years beyond even Non-Practicing Catholic. Frank also shows a strong streak of Raging Against The Heavens, particularly when he sees young children or women being victimized. Frank: "There are times when I'd like to get my hands on God."

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* ComicBook/ThePunisher was raised Catholic and even (briefly) considered going into the seminary when he was still a teenager, but had major issues with the business of forgiving sinners. Of course, as shown in [[Comicbook/ThePunisherMAX the MAX imprint]] story "The Tyger", he'd seen horrible crimes even in his childhood. Particularly in stories written by Garth Ennis, he is shown as fully aware that his violent war on crime has ***ed damned him to Hell and there is no hope for forgiveness, he ''just doesn't care.'' He's gone light-years beyond even Non-Practicing Catholic. Frank also shows a strong streak of Raging Against The Heavens, particularly when he sees young children or women being victimized. Frank: "There are times when I'd like to get my hands on God."



* In "Film/SisterAct" Delores' first scene is her making a joke about the Apostles and the Beatles, and then being told by a nun she'll never succeed. Cue a ***-eating grin, and a flash forward to Whoopi Goldberg, a grown up Delores, who's a lounge singer. Of course, by the end of the film, Maggie Smith saves her soul.

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* In "Film/SisterAct" Delores' first scene is her making a joke about the Apostles and the Beatles, and then being told by a nun she'll never succeed. Cue a ***-eating smug grin, and a flash forward to Whoopi Goldberg, a grown up Delores, who's a lounge singer. Of course, by the end of the film, Maggie Smith saves her soul.



* WordOfGod states that Literature/HerculePoirot's religion is Roman Catholicism, which is a part of Christianity. He has some morality based on that part of Christianity, since he is Roman Catholic by birth.

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* WordOfGod states that Literature/HerculePoirot's religion is Roman Catholicism, which is a part of Christianity.Catholicism. He has some morality based on that part of Christianity, since he is Roman Catholic by birth.



** Jeffrey Sinclair mentions once or twice that he attended a Jesuit school when he was younger. Considering that [[spoiler: he travles back in time and becomes an alien race's Messiah figure]], he arguably fits this trope.

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** Jeffrey Sinclair mentions once or twice that he attended a Jesuit school when he was younger. Considering that [[spoiler: he travles travels back in time and becomes an alien race's Messiah figure]], he arguably fits this trope.



* *** Wolf loved this and pretty much hit every area of the spectrum. [[Series/LawAndOrder Ben Stone]], Rey Curtis, [[Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit Elliot Stabler]] and Stabler's replacement Nick Amaro fall on the "devout" side (with Curtis probably being the strongest adherent), while Jack [=McCoy=] and [[Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent Bobby Goren]] fall on the "lapsed" end. Mike Logan would be the most extreme "lapsed" case - he was a victim of a pedophile priest and an abusive "devout" mother, which left him so bitter that "The next time I enter a church, it'll be in a pine box carried by six of my friends." And then there's Lennie Briscoe, who is Jewish on his father's side but was raised Catholic by his mother.

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* *** Dick Wolf loved this and pretty much hit every area of the spectrum. [[Series/LawAndOrder Ben Stone]], Rey Curtis, [[Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit Elliot Stabler]] and Stabler's replacement Nick Amaro fall on the "devout" side (with Curtis probably being the strongest adherent), while Jack [=McCoy=] and [[Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent Bobby Goren]] fall on the "lapsed" end. Mike Logan would be the most extreme "lapsed" case - he was a victim of a pedophile priest and an abusive "devout" mother, which left him so bitter that "The next time I enter a church, it'll be in a pine box carried by six of my friends." And then there's Lennie Briscoe, who is Jewish on his father's side but was raised Catholic by his mother.



* In ''Series/TheWire'' Bunk theorizes this is the reason behind [[OfficerOhara [=McNulty=]]] giving a *** about the family of one of deceased girls in Season 2.
-->'''The Bunk''': How does that matter? You see, this is that Catholic ***, Jimmy. This is that little altar-boy-guilt talking.

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* In ''Series/TheWire'' Bunk theorizes this is the reason behind [[OfficerOhara [=McNulty=]]] giving a *** crap about the family of one of deceased girls in Season 2.
-->'''The Bunk''': How does that matter? You see, this is that Catholic ***, shit, Jimmy. This is that little altar-boy-guilt talking.



* On ''Series/{{House}}'', Chase was raised Catholic, and in the Season 1 episode ''***ed If You Do'' it was revealed that he attended seminary before becoming a doctor. It's always interesting when the episode has nuns in it or otherwise mentions religion and God. He zigzags from one end of the belief/skepticism spectrum to the other throughout the series. One season 8 episode sees him fall in love with a novice nun patient and try to lure her away from the Church. His efforts actually get a WhatTheHellHero from [[HollywoodAtheist House himself]].

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* On ''Series/{{House}}'', Chase was raised Catholic, and in the Season 1 episode ''***ed ''Damned If You Do'' it was revealed that he attended seminary before becoming a doctor. It's always interesting when the episode has nuns in it or otherwise mentions religion and God. He zigzags from one end of the belief/skepticism spectrum to the other throughout the series. One season 8 episode sees him fall in love with a novice nun patient and try to lure her away from the Church. His efforts actually get a WhatTheHellHero from [[HollywoodAtheist House himself]].



* The entire Canadian province of Quebec is an example of this trope. From the conquest of Nouvelle France by the British until the 1960s, the dominant political and social power was the Catholic Church. Then, in the 1960s there was the Quiet Revolution, hospital and schools became government-run instead of Church-run (though nuns and priests still tour the hospitals on Sunday to offer the Host. Also, schools taught Catholicism until the last decade, though you could opt out very easily), and the Church was demonized into a totalitarian, reactionary relic of a bygone age. Still, the majority Quebecers, even those born after the 1960s, are baptized and know the basics of the religion. And suggesting the huge honking cross should be removed from the National Assembly (or the top of Mount Royal), that the mayor should not have the right to say a prayer to open a council session, or that the Premier should publicly wish people Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas (or rather ''Joyeux Noël'') will cause a huge media ***storm and talks on how those things are not religious but cultural. Oh, and whenever a Quebecois(e) swears, they [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French_profanity sound like they're listing off items from a church]].

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* The entire Canadian province of Quebec is an example of this trope. From the conquest of Nouvelle France by the British until the 1960s, the dominant political and social power was the Catholic Church. Then, in the 1960s there was the Quiet Revolution, hospital and schools became government-run instead of Church-run (though nuns and priests still tour the hospitals on Sunday to offer the Host. Also, schools taught Catholicism until the last decade, though you could opt out very easily), and the Church was demonized into a totalitarian, reactionary relic of a bygone age. Still, the majority Quebecers, even those born after the 1960s, are baptized and know the basics of the religion. And suggesting the huge honking cross should be removed from the National Assembly (or the top of Mount Royal), that the mayor should not have the right to say a prayer to open a council session, or that the Premier should publicly wish people Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas (or rather ''Joyeux Noël'') will cause a huge media ***storm storm and talks on how those things are not religious but cultural. Oh, and whenever a Quebecois(e) swears, they [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French_profanity sound like they're listing off items from a church]].
17th May '16 7:40:01 AM nighttrainfm
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* ComicBook/{{BlackWidow}} (aka Natalia Romanova) was raised Russian Orthodox. However, she is by no means practicing.

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* ComicBook/{{BlackWidow}} ComicBook/{{Black Widow}} (aka Natalia Romanova) was raised Russian Orthodox. However, she is by no means practicing.



* [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Steven Rodgers of Captain America fame]] was the son of two Irish Catholic immigrant parents. Whenever he is characterised as more humble people sometimes point to this as part of the reason.

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* [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Steven Rodgers Rogers of Captain America fame]] was the son of two Irish Catholic immigrant parents. Whenever he is characterised as more humble people sometimes point to this as part of the reason.
14th May '16 11:22:54 PM nombretomado
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* Peggy Olson on ''MadMen''--her father was apparently Norwegian (whether Catholic or Lutheran is never made clear, seeing as he's long-dead), but her mother seems to be strongly Irish-Catholic, and rather disappointed with/scared of Peggy's modern, "Manhattan" lifestyle. This is a key theme of Season 2, when a young priest wants to bring her back into the fold.

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* Peggy Olson on ''MadMen''--her ''Series/MadMen''--her father was apparently Norwegian (whether Catholic or Lutheran is never made clear, seeing as he's long-dead), but her mother seems to be strongly Irish-Catholic, and rather disappointed with/scared of Peggy's modern, "Manhattan" lifestyle. This is a key theme of Season 2, when a young priest wants to bring her back into the fold.
25th Apr '16 7:40:04 AM LupineMoon
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* In "Film/SisterAct" Delores' first scene is her making a joke about the Apostles and the Beatles, and then being told my a nun she'll never succeed. Cue a ***-eating grin, and a flash forward to Whoopi Goldberg, a grown up Delores, who's a lounge singer. Of course, by the end of the film, Maggie Smith saves her soul.

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* In "Film/SisterAct" Delores' first scene is her making a joke about the Apostles and the Beatles, and then being told my by a nun she'll never succeed. Cue a ***-eating grin, and a flash forward to Whoopi Goldberg, a grown up Delores, who's a lounge singer. Of course, by the end of the film, Maggie Smith saves her soul.
20th Apr '16 8:29:22 AM LadyMomus
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* [[MartinSheen President Bartlet]] on ''Series/TheWestWing''. After a brutal PlayerPunch when a beloved character dies he goes to church to curse out God ''in untranslated Latin for three whole minutes''. And it was glorious.

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* [[MartinSheen President Bartlet]] Bartlet on ''Series/TheWestWing''. After a brutal PlayerPunch when a beloved character dies he goes to church to curse out God ''in untranslated Latin for three whole minutes''. And it was glorious.



* Edmund Mc Millen, the creator of ''VideoGame/TheBindingOfIsaac'', was raised around Catholics and once compared the faith to [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons Dungeons and Dragons]]. He cites Catholicism's morbid and violent imagery as influential on Isaac's development. In the game, there are many homages to Catholic teaching, such as the Seven Deadly Sins Isaac must defeat, the Rosary, the Bible, and even the Wafer.

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* Edmund Mc Millen, [=McMillen=], the creator of ''VideoGame/TheBindingOfIsaac'', was raised around Catholics and once compared the faith to [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons Dungeons and Dragons]]. He cites Catholicism's morbid and violent imagery as influential on Isaac's development. In the game, there are many homages to Catholic teaching, such as the Seven Deadly Sins Isaac must defeat, the Rosary, the Bible, and even the Wafer.



* Jeremy Irons, who coincidentally played the rutheless Pope Alexander VI (Rodrigo Borgia) on ''Series/TheBorgias'' is by no means practicing, [[http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/interviews/a21937/jeremy-irons-the-borgias/ but does cite his local parish]] as somewhat of an influence in his philosophy on caring for others.

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* Jeremy Irons, who coincidentally played the rutheless ruthless Pope Alexander VI (Rodrigo Borgia) on ''Series/TheBorgias'' is by no means practicing, [[http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/interviews/a21937/jeremy-irons-the-borgias/ but does cite his local parish]] as somewhat of an influence in his philosophy on caring for others.



* Brian "Q" Quinn from ''Series/ImpracticalJokers'' recently confirmed that he is an atheist on a {{Twitter}} Q&A despite attended an all-boys Catholic High School with the other three Jokers. [[HollywoodAtheist He respects the beliefs of others]] and apologized to a fan for making an anti-Christian joke, which led to him admiting his non-theistic beliefs.

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* Brian "Q" Quinn from ''Series/ImpracticalJokers'' recently confirmed that he is an atheist on a {{Twitter}} Q&A despite attended an all-boys Catholic High School with the other three Jokers. [[HollywoodAtheist He respects the beliefs of others]] and apologized to a fan for making an anti-Christian joke, which led to him admiting admitting his non-theistic beliefs.
20th Apr '16 6:21:10 AM TMNTFanGirl
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** However, he goes to Mass only before commencing the filming of a movie, and before the premiere. He's also pretty open about being a Cafeteria Catholic.

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** However, he goes to Mass only before commencing the filming of a movie, and before the premiere. He's also pretty open about being a Cafeteria "Cafeteria Catholic."



* This is an extremely common practice in Ireland, and presumably in other majority-Catholic countries as well. Catholicism is a huge part of the national psyche, whether one believes in it or not. Most schools in the country have a Catholic ethos, with most of the remainder having some religious affiliation.

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* This is an extremely common practice in Ireland, and presumably in other majority-Catholic predominantly-Catholic countries as well. Catholicism is a huge part of the national psyche, whether one believes in it or not. Most schools in the country have a Catholic ethos, with most of the remainder having some religious affiliation.



* Music/LadyGaga was also raised Catholic and even attended an all-girls Catholic school. Her video for the song ''Alejandro'' features strong Catholic imagery.

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* Music/LadyGaga was also raised Catholic and even attended an all-girls Catholic school.school as a kid. Her video for the song ''Alejandro'' features strong Catholic imagery.



* Brazil is a Catholic-majority country. Brazilian Catholics are Non-Practicing-Majority Catholics. The same can be, and is--probably with varying degrees of accuracy--said about most majority-Catholic countries.

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* Brazil Brazil, like Ireland, is a Catholic-majority predominantly Catholic country. Brazilian Catholics are Non-Practicing-Majority Catholics. The same can be, and is--probably with varying degrees of accuracy--said about most majority-Catholic countries.
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