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20th Aug '16 5:50:27 PM nombretomado
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* The wizard Raistlin Majere in the ''{{Dragonlance}}'' novels, especially the ''Chronicles'' and ''Legends'' trilogies. ''Chronicles'' shows Raistlin's rise to power from a frail young man with ambitions who makes a [[DealWithTheDevil dark pact with the ghost of an evil undead wizard Fistandantilus]] and ultimately takes his place, absorbing that wizard's power. After ironically siding with the good guys (his former friends) to help defeat an evil goddess (the Dragon Queen) and banishing her back to her realm, Raistlin becomes the Master of Past and Present. In ''Legends'', Raistlin and his brother travel back in time to when Fistandantilus was still alive and mortal, and Raistlin manages to kill the old wizard, changing history yet not: the price of taking Fistandantilus' power is being trapped in the timeline, having to take Fistandantilus' place in history, until Raistlin finds a loophole. Raistlin's plan for ultimate power is revealed: To ascend to godhood himself by destroying the Dragon Queen that presides over all that is Evil in the world of Krynn, and setting himself up as the new god in her stead. His brother travels to a future where Raistlin succeeded but his victory spelled destruction for the world, turning it into a lifeless wasteland, a mirror of Raistlin's own empty soul. [[spoiler: Back in the present where Raistlin has already entered the hellish Abyss, the domain of the Dragon Queen, in an attempt to lure her out to Krynn where she can be defeated, the vision of this dismal future and of the death of the few people he still cares about convinces him to abandon his plans. He sacrifices himself to re-seal the portal to the Abyss, trapping himself in eternal torment.]]

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* The wizard Raistlin Majere in the ''{{Dragonlance}}'' ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'' novels, especially the ''Chronicles'' and ''Legends'' trilogies. ''Chronicles'' shows Raistlin's rise to power from a frail young man with ambitions who makes a [[DealWithTheDevil dark pact with the ghost of an evil undead wizard Fistandantilus]] and ultimately takes his place, absorbing that wizard's power. After ironically siding with the good guys (his former friends) to help defeat an evil goddess (the Dragon Queen) and banishing her back to her realm, Raistlin becomes the Master of Past and Present. In ''Legends'', Raistlin and his brother travel back in time to when Fistandantilus was still alive and mortal, and Raistlin manages to kill the old wizard, changing history yet not: the price of taking Fistandantilus' power is being trapped in the timeline, having to take Fistandantilus' place in history, until Raistlin finds a loophole. Raistlin's plan for ultimate power is revealed: To ascend to godhood himself by destroying the Dragon Queen that presides over all that is Evil in the world of Krynn, and setting himself up as the new god in her stead. His brother travels to a future where Raistlin succeeded but his victory spelled destruction for the world, turning it into a lifeless wasteland, a mirror of Raistlin's own empty soul. [[spoiler: Back in the present where Raistlin has already entered the hellish Abyss, the domain of the Dragon Queen, in an attempt to lure her out to Krynn where she can be defeated, the vision of this dismal future and of the death of the few people he still cares about convinces him to abandon his plans. He sacrifices himself to re-seal the portal to the Abyss, trapping himself in eternal torment.]]
18th Aug '16 12:28:50 PM ScroogeMacDuck
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This trope is more controversial than merely challenging {{Satan}} or going ToHellAndBack. That makes it a prime target for authors who want to make their latest work DarkerAndEdgier. Many {{Media Watchdog}}s view it in a negative light which makes it even more suited for this purpose. It's a full inversion of [[GodIsGood conventional morality]] and proposing that GodIsEvil (the Gnostics' position). The only way to go further in this direction is to declare that SatanIsGood.

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This trope is more controversial than merely challenging {{Satan}} or going ToHellAndBack. That makes it a prime target for authors who want to make their latest work DarkerAndEdgier. Many {{Media Watchdog}}s view it in a negative light which makes it even more suited for this purpose. It's a full inversion of [[GodIsGood conventional morality]] and proposing that GodIsEvil (the Gnostics' position). The only way to go further in this direction is to declare that SatanIsGood. \n It is also somewhat common in RationalFiction.
7th Aug '16 5:29:44 PM nombretomado
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* John Constantine, main character of ''ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}}'' (which is partly in TheDCU) finds himself in this position half of the time. The other half he's against the boys downstairs. Probably worth mentioning that he holds ''both'' sides in contempt.

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* John Constantine, main character of ''ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}}'' (which is partly in TheDCU) Franchise/TheDCU) finds himself in this position half of the time. The other half he's against the boys downstairs. Probably worth mentioning that he holds ''both'' sides in contempt.



* WillEisner's ''Contract with God'' is one of the few examples where we learn that it's not a good idea to think God owes you something for reasons other than getting a bolt from the blue.

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* WillEisner's Creator/WillEisner's ''Contract with God'' is one of the few examples where we learn that it's not a good idea to think God owes you something for reasons other than getting a bolt from the blue.
30th Jul '16 8:12:57 PM TheBuddy26
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[[caption-width-right:300:''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' [[http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/03/22 IV]].]]

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[[caption-width-right:300:''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' [[http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/03/22 IV]].]]
[[note]] [[HilariousInHindsight And now there is one]] [[VideoGame/GodOfWarPS4 in the works.]] [[/note]]]]
25th Jul '16 8:09:59 PM Willbyr
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* When ''{{Guyver}}'' Zero rebelled against his alien creators, the Advents, and was slain by their loyal general Archanfel, the Advents decided that ''no'' human could be trusted and left Earth, throwing a giant planetoid at it. Archanfel destroyed the planetoid at the permanent cost of his health, and has spent the last 110,000 years or so plotting to turn humanity into an army of vengeance against his "gods".

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* When ''{{Guyver}}'' ''Manga/{{Guyver}}'' Zero rebelled against his alien creators, the Advents, and was slain by their loyal general Archanfel, the Advents decided that ''no'' human could be trusted and left Earth, throwing a giant planetoid at it. Archanfel destroyed the planetoid at the permanent cost of his health, and has spent the last 110,000 years or so plotting to turn humanity into an army of vengeance against his "gods".
17th Jul '16 9:41:32 PM PaulA
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* The remake of ''Film/ClashOfTheTitans'' features this extensively, and is usually ''[[{{Narm}} hilarious]]''. Mostly because the various mortals who try to fight the gods have absolutely no clue how to go about it. There's scene of the paltry survivors of a kingdom's soldiers coming back and being congratulated on their victory -- over some of Zeus' statues. Not animated statues, they just knocked down a bunch of statues and this annoyed the gods enough to let Hades set harpies on them. There's also the important fact they seem to have missed that the gods could, at any point, teleport to wherever they are and kill them. What is their plan here?! They're fighting immortal, teleporting beings with the power to do whatever they want by destroying statues that ''they themselves made in tribute''.
** The plan was to deprive them of prayer and worship which does actually fuel their powers... unfortunately for the mortals, they still are capable of overpowering the non-believers.

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* The remake of ''Film/ClashOfTheTitans'' ''Film/{{Clash of the Titans|2010}}'' features this extensively, and is usually ''[[{{Narm}} hilarious]]''. Mostly because the various mortals who try to fight the gods have absolutely no clue how to go about it. There's scene of the paltry survivors of a kingdom's soldiers coming back and being congratulated on their victory -- over some of Zeus' statues. Not animated statues, they just knocked down a bunch of statues and this annoyed the gods enough to let Hades set harpies on them. There's also the important fact they seem to have missed that the gods could, at any point, teleport to wherever they are and kill them. What is their plan here?! They're fighting immortal, teleporting beings with the power to do whatever they want by destroying statues that ''they themselves made in tribute''.
** The plan was to deprive them of prayer and worship which does actually fuel their powers... unfortunately for the mortals, they still are capable of overpowering the non-believers.
extensively.
4th Jun '16 6:06:52 AM JackG
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* ''Film/XMenApocalypse''. Erik Lehnsherr does this after [[spoiler:his family is accidentally killed by the Polish police]]. Unfortunately, God answers in the form of Apocalypse.
--> '''Erik:''' IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME? IS THIS WHO I AM?!
25th Apr '16 3:11:44 PM StFan
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* The manga ''InnocentBird'' deals with a demon gone good and a heaven completely mad. Not that the evil forces are any better -- it's quite a lose-lose situation. Later, the angel protagonist rages against the heavens.

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* The manga ''InnocentBird'' ''Manga/InnocentBird'' deals with a demon gone good and a heaven completely mad. Not that the evil forces are any better -- it's quite a lose-lose situation. Later, the angel protagonist rages against the heavens.



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* ''Series/{{Jeremiah}}''

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* ''Series/{{Jeremiah}}''''Series/{{Jeremiah}}'':



--> '''Robert''': Was this your plan? Huh? You sat up there, and you [[TheChewToy put]] [[BasementDweller me]] [[TheUnfavorite through]] ''everything,'' and then let me end up like ''this?'' Well, let me tell you something, mister...''You'' are ''not funny!''
--> ''(Debra and Ray look at each other)''
--> '''Debra''': He ''does'' screw with him a lot.

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--> '''Robert''': -->'''Robert:''' Was this your plan? Huh? You sat up there, and you [[TheChewToy put]] [[BasementDweller me]] [[TheUnfavorite through]] ''everything,'' and then let me end up like ''this?'' Well, let me tell you something, mister...''You'' are ''not funny!''
--> ''(Debra
funny!''\\
(''Debra
and Ray look at each other)''
--> '''Debra''':
other'')\\
'''Debra:'''
He ''does'' screw with him a lot.



--->What is the meaning of this?\\

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--->What -->''What is the meaning of this?\\



And the stars look down

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And the stars look downdown''



* The ''Champions of Kamigawa'' block of ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' was set in a world based on Shinto where the mortal and spirit worlds were at war. Over the course of the block's three sets, it was revealed that the war had been ignited when the Daimyo Konda had stolen a powerful artifact from the most powerful of the Kami that would grant him immortality. The catch was that this "artifact" was said Kami's child. It even gets represented on the card "That Which Was Taken."

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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'':
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The ''Champions of Kamigawa'' block of ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' was set in a world based on Shinto where the mortal and spirit worlds were at war. Over the course of the block's three sets, it was revealed that the war had been ignited when the Daimyo Konda had stolen a powerful artifact from the most powerful of the Kami that would grant him immortality. The catch was that this "artifact" was said Kami's child. It even gets represented on the card "That Which Was Taken."



--->'''Ajani''': [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly A fire, deprived of kindling, must go out.]]

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--->'''Ajani''': --->'''Ajani:''' [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly A fire, deprived of kindling, must go out.]]



* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy''

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* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy''''Franchise/FinalFantasy'':



* The cross-platform ''ShinMegamiTensei'' videogame series; the first two fit the concept best, but all of them include various gods as enemies.
** In one of the endings for ''ShinMegamiTensei: Nocturne'', [[spoiler:the ending cuts off with the main character marching at the head of the legions of chaos on God.]] Pretty sure that fits.
** No JRPG has played this trope as bluntly as ''ShinMegamiTenseiII''. [[spoiler:God is the final boss and when you kill him he tells the player that they have committed the ultimate sin. To be fair, [[GodIsEvil he is an evil tyrant]] in the game who treats humanity as his plaything.]] [[spoiler:If you go the Law path, ''Satan'' himself allies with you to judge God. Yes, ''that'' {{Satan}}.]]
*** Note: in the ShinMegamiTensei series, [[spoiler: Satan and Lucifer are two different beings. Lucifer is the Devil and Satan the Archangel of Judgment. ''Shin Megami Tensei'' is the trope namer for LouisCypher after all.]]

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* The cross-platform ''ShinMegamiTensei'' ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' videogame series; the first two fit the concept best, but all of them include various gods as enemies.
** In one of the endings for ''ShinMegamiTensei: Nocturne'', ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', [[spoiler:the ending cuts off with the main character marching at the head of the legions of chaos on God.]] Pretty sure that fits.
** No JRPG has played this trope as bluntly as ''ShinMegamiTenseiII''.''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII''. [[spoiler:God is the final boss and when you kill him he tells the player that they have committed the ultimate sin. To be fair, [[GodIsEvil he is an evil tyrant]] in the game who treats humanity as his plaything.]] [[spoiler:If you go the Law path, ''Satan'' himself allies with you to judge God. Yes, ''that'' {{Satan}}.]]
*** ** Note: in the ShinMegamiTensei ''Shin Megami Tensei'' series, [[spoiler: Satan and Lucifer are two different beings. Lucifer is the Devil and Satan the Archangel of Judgment. ''Shin Megami Tensei'' is the trope namer for LouisCypher after all.]]



* ''TheSimpsonsGame''. [[spoiler: After failing to save Springfield by [[RageAgainstTheAuthor beating up Matt Groening]], the Simpsons to take their case to God, whom they eventually defeat in a Dance Dance Revolution-ish minigame.]]

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* ''TheSimpsonsGame''.''VideoGame/TheSimpsonsGame''. [[spoiler: After failing to save Springfield by [[RageAgainstTheAuthor beating up Matt Groening]], the Simpsons to take their case to God, whom they eventually defeat in a Dance Dance Revolution-ish minigame.]]



* Susano, in ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'', yells at the gods to stop tormenting him for their amusement and ''dog''ging his footsteps -- while benevolent goddess Amaterasu, who has been following and assisting him in the form of a wolf, is there to hear it. As a HeroicMime she says nothing but seems amused.

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* Susano, in ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'', ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'':
** Susano
yells at the gods to stop tormenting him for their amusement and ''dog''ging his footsteps -- while benevolent goddess Amaterasu, who has been following and assisting him in the form of a wolf, is there to hear it. As a HeroicMime she says nothing but seems amused.



* The Charr race in ''GuildWars2'' has long since tired of playing the ButtMonkey to the humans and their gods, and then manipulated and enslaved by other beings of divine and near-divine power. The Charr overthrew their religious caste, the Flame Legion, and has become actively hostile to any suggestion of religion, to the point of flatly stating that [[HaveYouSeenMyGod if the human gods were still around]], the Charr would seek to kill them.

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* The Charr race in ''GuildWars2'' ''VideoGame/GuildWars2'' has long since tired of playing the ButtMonkey to the humans and their gods, and then manipulated and enslaved by other beings of divine and near-divine power. The Charr overthrew their religious caste, the Flame Legion, and has become actively hostile to any suggestion of religion, to the point of flatly stating that [[HaveYouSeenMyGod if the human gods were still around]], the Charr would seek to kill them.



* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': Redcloan's {{Plan}} involves this. [[spoiler: The Dark One learned the entire goblin species was created as mere cannon fodder and designated Always Evil so clerics can kill them with no problems. As the Dark One became a god in the first place due to the leaders of other species assassinating him back when he was mortal, it's fairly reasonable logic that the only way the Good deities will take anything the Goblins say as valid is to give them a wake-up call.]]

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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': Redcloan's Redcloak's {{Plan}} involves this. [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The Dark One learned the entire goblin species was created as mere cannon fodder and designated Always Evil so clerics can kill them with no problems. As the Dark One became a god in the first place due to the leaders of other species assassinating him back when he was mortal, it's fairly reasonable logic that the only way the Good deities will take anything the Goblins say as valid is to give them a wake-up call.]]



** In the background a fundamental tenet of the Ssaelit faith is that the four Gefendur gods who made the world were cruel beings who afflicted humanity with death and a world filled with suffering for their own amusement, and that after being slain Ssael gathered an army of the unhappy dead, made war upon the gods, and cast them down to become God himself. A traditional phrase among the Ssaelit seems to be "Death is the gods' crime."
*** As a bonus, this neatly solves the Problem of Evil that normally comes up when you have a single benevolent god. Why is there evil in a created world? Because Ssael didn't make the world, he took it from the callous old gods who did. Why is suffering allowed to exist? Because suffering is a fundamental property of the universe, and Ssael can't get rid of it without remaking the world entirely. Not a good idea when people still live in it.

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** In the background a fundamental tenet of the Ssaelit faith is that the four Gefendur gods who made the world were cruel beings who afflicted humanity with death and a world filled with suffering for their own amusement, and that after being slain Ssael gathered an army of the unhappy dead, made war upon the gods, and cast them down to become God himself. A traditional phrase among the Ssaelit seems to be "Death is the gods' crime."
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" As a bonus, this neatly solves the Problem of Evil that normally comes up when you have a single benevolent god. Why is there evil in a created world? Because Ssael didn't make the world, he took it from the callous old gods who did. Why is suffering allowed to exist? Because suffering is a fundamental property of the universe, and Ssael can't get rid of it without remaking the world entirely. Not a good idea when people still live in it.



* ''Webcomic/{{Fatebound}}'' has this as a recurring and central plot, with Herot seeking to gain control of both reality and the gods themselves.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Fatebound}}'' ''Webcomic/{{Fatebound}}'':
** The webcomic
has this as a recurring and central plot, with Herot seeking to gain control of both reality and the gods themselves.



-->God was turned away by Iron Chariots once before. Are you people all so pathetic as to forget the myths of your ancestors? When the Heroes at Troy wounded the Gods and drove them from the field? When the mortal hand of Rama struck down the demon Ravana after invading Sri Lanka on his bridge of hurled stone? Satan is the Prince of Hell; God may have put him there but he still has princely power and he controls who is to be tortured and who isn't. This is his moment to break free from the cycle-curse. If we can turn away the strength of God with Iron, then let us make common cause with the Prince of Hell and turn on heaven with full fury. Angels can make war; we'll kill them, and we'll drive God from his throne at point of sword, and exhort the moral of the spirits in heaven to rise against the injustice of a God turned against his own word.
:: This little exchange sums up that thread quite nicely:

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-->God -->''God was turned away by Iron Chariots once before. Are you people all so pathetic as to forget the myths of your ancestors? When the Heroes at Troy wounded the Gods and drove them from the field? When the mortal hand of Rama struck down the demon Ravana after invading Sri Lanka on his bridge of hurled stone? Satan is the Prince of Hell; God may have put him there but he still has princely power and he controls who is to be tortured and who isn't. This is his moment to break free from the cycle-curse. If we can turn away the strength of God with Iron, then let us make common cause with the Prince of Hell and turn on heaven with full fury. Angels can make war; we'll kill them, and we'll drive God from his throne at point of sword, and exhort the moral of the spirits in heaven to rise against the injustice of a God turned against his own word.
word.''
:: This little exchange sums up that thread quite nicely:nicely...
18th Apr '16 5:27:42 AM matteste
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** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVFinal'' is entirely built around this trope with everyone (with the sole exception of Merkabah) in this massive conflict want a piece of him. [[spoiler:It ultimately culminates in a final battle against YHVH, and depending on the path, to either create a future where humans and demons can bury the hatchet and create a peaceful future, or to become the new creator in a world free of His influence.]]

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** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVFinal'' ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'' is entirely built around this trope with everyone (with the sole exception of Merkabah) in this massive conflict want a piece of him. [[spoiler:It ultimately culminates in a final battle against YHVH, and depending on the path, to either create a future where humans and demons can bury the hatchet and create a peaceful future, or to become the new creator in a world free of His influence.]]
16th Apr '16 7:14:37 PM PaulA
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* In ''Literature/TheBalancedSword'', the heroine's discovery of the truth about her parents' death results in her spending several minutes ranting at the sky, accusing her god of abandoning Its faithful and demanding an explanation. She is more than a little shocked when It actually gives her an answer.
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