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23rd Oct '17 8:42:28 PM MagiMecha
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** This happens to Spock at the end of

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** This happens to Spock at by the end time the third act hits. [[spoiler:Spock Prime needs Kirk to take control of the ''Enterprise'' and for Kirk to do so, he needs to prove Spock is emotionally incapable of serving, which Kirk does by tap dancing on his BerserkButton.]]
2nd Jul '17 9:53:00 PM Adept
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->''"Ha! Legendary guardian? I was just a boy. A boy about your age actually. I wanted to change the world too, but I changed nothing. That [[ArcWords is my story.]]"''

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->''"Ha! Legendary guardian? I was just a boy. A boy about your age actually. I wanted to change the world too, but I changed nothing. That [[ArcWords is my story.]]"''"''
14th May '17 5:28:53 AM EDP
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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' heavily plays with it: when Sailor V finally appears Sailor Moon hands the leadership of the Sailor Senshi to her, as she's the [[ChosenOne Moon Princess]] (or, in the first anime, simply the most experienced)-except Sailor V''enus'' was actually a decoy (and, in all versions except the old anime, a BodyDouble) for Sailor Moon so she could gain the experience to come into her destiny, and showed up and took over when she did because the Dark Kingdom had stepped up their game to a point she couldn't stay on the sidelines anymore. She ''still'' remains the leader of the Sailor Guardians, but [[TheLancer also recognizes that Sailor Moon outranks her]].
5th Apr '17 10:58:37 AM Prometheus117
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** Sky of ''Series/PowerRangersSPD'' was easily at the top of the police academy - the problem is that he knew it, and failed a test of character due to arrogance with a dash of sexism. His superior officer made him Blue Ranger to learn some humility, while the Red morpher went to Jack, a thief drafted into the Ranger program as a kind of community service sentence. [[TheResenter He was even less happy than Taylor was.]]

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** Sky of ''Series/PowerRangersSPD'' was easily at the top of the police academy - the problem is that he knew it, and failed a test of character due to arrogance with a dash of sexism. His superior officer made him Blue Ranger to learn some humility, while the Red morpher went to Jack, a thief drafted into the Ranger program as a kind of community service sentence. [[TheResenter He was even less happy than Taylor was.was,]] [[spoiler:though CharacterDevelopment eventually allows him to become the Red Ranger when Jack retires at the end of the series and [[BookEnds he receives the same test of character]].]]
7th Mar '17 11:39:53 AM Ramidel
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* Uncle Iroh from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' used to be the Crown Prince of the Fire Nation and a famed general known as "The Dragon of The West". After his only son was killed in the siege of Ba Sing Se, he abandoned the battle and was disgraced, his younger brother Ozai usurping his inheritance. Iroh voluntarily accompanies Zuko in his exile, becoming his mentor and a true father figure to the prince. Despite his ''much'' greater wisdom and experience he willingly serves under Zuko's command, having to stand by and helplessly watch him do stupid things like sailing into Fire nation waters.
** That's mostly because [[JustEatGilligan if Iroh took a more serious effort in helping Zuko to capture Aang, it'd be over and done with by the second episode]]. [[spoiler:As a member of the White Lotus Society, Iroh is actually working to ''help'' the Avatar.]]
*** Even without this, Iroh knows that keeping Zuko away from his father (and he's only allowed to go back to his father if he captures the avatar) is the only thing that can make him a better man.
** Either subverted or not technically this trope in that you meet him after his demotion and in fact before he is established as being demoted in the first place. You don't get a hint that he was ever in a higher rank than Zuko (rather than just being a teacher to a nephew who is at a higher rank simply because he's also the Prince of the Fire Nation) until 3 episodes in.
** Interestingly, in season 1 he appears as the Obi Wrong from the Fire Nation. And what is he asked to do in the GrandFinale?
** Anyway, Iroh is the EccentricMentor, not the Obi-Wrong, because he's ''aware'' that it's not his job to save the world. So he is the mentor to Zuko, but knows his place. Obviously he used ObfuscatingStupidity to keep Zuko from succeeding because he wanted to open Zuko's eyes about the wrongness of the Fire Nation. But even after [[spoiler:Zuko's HeelFaceTurn]], he will send everyone to the fronts they are needed on, and counts on Aang to win the decisive battle.
31st Dec '16 1:09:41 AM Ramidel
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' quickly puts Cloud in charge of AVALANCHE and the OlderAndWiser Barret Wallace under his command. Barret is [[BoisterousBruiser not necessarily the most reliable of mentors.]]
** ''VII'' actually completely subverts this trope, Cloud is (as far as the story knows) the most experienced party member and is in fact the guy that tried and failed to stop the BigBad the last time he showed his face, yet is allowed to lead the party anyway because he's still the most suited for the job.

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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII''
** The game
quickly puts Cloud in charge of AVALANCHE and the OlderAndWiser Barret Wallace under his command. Barret is [[BoisterousBruiser not necessarily the most reliable of mentors.]]
leaders]], Tifa doesn't especially ''support'' him, and Aeris firmly supports Cloud. Everyone kind of goes along with it, despite AVALANCHE originally being Barret's show.
** ''VII'' actually completely subverts this trope, When Cloud is (as far as temporarily off the story knows) board, Tifa briefly leads the most group until they get Cloud to safety, but after that, she steps out and Barret is the obvious choice for team leader. Except that Barret admits that he's a terrible leader and instead picks Cid, on the grounds that Cid is an experienced party member commander and is in fact the guy that tried and failed to stop the BigBad the last time he showed his face, yet is allowed to lead the party anyway because he's still the most suited best-suited for the job.role.



* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' has an odd version of this in Auron, who actually ''succeeded'' in bringing his first summoner, Braska, to Zanarkand to perform the Final Summoning and is helping a new party, including Tidus whom he is mentoring, to do the same thing with a new summoner, Yuna, Braska's daughter. However [[spoiler: by not stopping Braska and Jecht from sacrificing themselves to Sin as the pilgrimage traditions dictate, Auron failed to bring an end to Spira's cycle of death, and now is attempting to help Tidus end it.]] He never really gets demoted, but the concept is still there in that the mentor figure that is theoretically more powerful than the main character is still forced into a subservient role instead.
** Justified: Yuna is the one giving orders to Auron (and the rest of the party), and Auron's role as a guardian ''is'' to take orders from her, as the summoner.
** Also, Auron clearly has no interest in taking the leading role. Perhaps because [[spoiler:[[DeadAllAlong the dead shouldn't lead the living]]]].



** Although, to be fair, luso kinda lends himself to being charismatic/somewhat endearing and full of potential, even if Cid is unimpressed it does help to gain new members.

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** Although, to be fair, luso Luso kinda lends himself to being charismatic/somewhat endearing and full of potential, even if Cid is unimpressed it does help to gain new members.
13th Sep '16 7:31:05 AM Tsar673
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** Arguably, this happened to Jack Bauer as well. In Season 1, he's introduced as the Director of CTU Los Angeles. In every subsequent season, he's just another CTU field operative, under the command of another CTU director. Justified perhaps, in that in most subsequent seasons, Jack isn't actually a full-time CTU agent and has only been temporarily reinstated. However, even in Season 3, where Jack is working at CTU full-time, he's only the Director of Field Ops.
25th Aug '16 7:33:46 AM StFan
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* In the Literature/BlackCompany books, Lady is the BigBad of the first trilogy. Then someone [[IKnowYourTrueName speaks her true name]], and she's Croaker's second-in-command from then on.

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* In the Literature/BlackCompany ''Literature/TheBlackCompany'' books, Lady is the BigBad of the first trilogy. Then someone [[IKnowYourTrueName speaks her true name]], and she's Croaker's second-in-command from then on.
29th Jul '16 6:09:00 AM Adept
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* Many Literature/HerculePoirot and Literature/MissMarple novels has their star detective play a sedentary role. The bulk of the investigation is carried out by other sleuths, while Poirot and/or Marple would only become prominent when it's time to reveal the solution.
29th Jul '16 6:00:33 AM Adept
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* Kratos May, from Javier Negrete's ''LaEspadaDeFuego''. He is easily the greatest swordsman on the continent and second-in-command of a band of mercenaries so powerful that they're their own nation. When the time comes to fight for a Sword ForgedByTheGods, a wizard who [[IOweYouMyLife saved his life]] tells him to teach the much younger protagonist so ''he'' can win the sword instead.
* The ''StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' uses this on a couple occasions with Luke.

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* Kratos May, from Javier Negrete's ''LaEspadaDeFuego''.''Literature/LaEspadaDeFuego''. He is easily the greatest swordsman on the continent and second-in-command of a band of mercenaries so powerful that they're their own nation. When the time comes to fight for a Sword ForgedByTheGods, a wizard who [[IOweYouMyLife saved his life]] tells him to teach the much younger protagonist so ''he'' can win the sword instead.
* The ''StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' uses this on a couple occasions with Luke.



* In the BlackCompany books, Lady is the BigBad of the first trilogy. Then someone [[IKnowYourTrueName speaks her true name]], and she's Croaker's second-in-command from then on.

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* In the BlackCompany Literature/BlackCompany books, Lady is the BigBad of the first trilogy. Then someone [[IKnowYourTrueName speaks her true name]], and she's Croaker's second-in-command from then on.
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