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31st Dec '16 1:09:41 AM Ramidel
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' quickly puts Cloud in charge of AVALANCHE and the OlderAndWiser Barret Wallace under his command. Barret is [[BoisterousBruiser not necessarily the most reliable of mentors.]]
** ''VII'' actually completely subverts this trope, Cloud is (as far as the story knows) the most experienced party member and is in fact the guy that tried and failed to stop the BigBad the last time he showed his face, yet is allowed to lead the party anyway because he's still the most suited for the job.

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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII''
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quickly puts Cloud in charge of AVALANCHE and the OlderAndWiser Barret Wallace under his command. Barret is [[BoisterousBruiser not necessarily the most reliable of mentors.]]
leaders]], Tifa doesn't especially ''support'' him, and Aeris firmly supports Cloud. Everyone kind of goes along with it, despite AVALANCHE originally being Barret's show.
** ''VII'' actually completely subverts this trope, When Cloud is (as far as temporarily off the story knows) board, Tifa briefly leads the most group until they get Cloud to safety, but after that, she steps out and Barret is the obvious choice for team leader. Except that Barret admits that he's a terrible leader and instead picks Cid, on the grounds that Cid is an experienced party member commander and is in fact the guy that tried and failed to stop the BigBad the last time he showed his face, yet is allowed to lead the party anyway because he's still the most suited best-suited for the job.role.



* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' has an odd version of this in Auron, who actually ''succeeded'' in bringing his first summoner, Braska, to Zanarkand to perform the Final Summoning and is helping a new party, including Tidus whom he is mentoring, to do the same thing with a new summoner, Yuna, Braska's daughter. However [[spoiler: by not stopping Braska and Jecht from sacrificing themselves to Sin as the pilgrimage traditions dictate, Auron failed to bring an end to Spira's cycle of death, and now is attempting to help Tidus end it.]] He never really gets demoted, but the concept is still there in that the mentor figure that is theoretically more powerful than the main character is still forced into a subservient role instead.
** Justified: Yuna is the one giving orders to Auron (and the rest of the party), and Auron's role as a guardian ''is'' to take orders from her, as the summoner.
** Also, Auron clearly has no interest in taking the leading role. Perhaps because [[spoiler:[[DeadAllAlong the dead shouldn't lead the living]]]].



** Although, to be fair, luso kinda lends himself to being charismatic/somewhat endearing and full of potential, even if Cid is unimpressed it does help to gain new members.

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** Although, to be fair, luso Luso kinda lends himself to being charismatic/somewhat endearing and full of potential, even if Cid is unimpressed it does help to gain new members.
13th Sep '16 7:31:05 AM Tsar673
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** Arguably, this happened to Jack Bauer as well. In Season 1, he's introduced as the Director of CTU Los Angeles. In every subsequent season, he's just another CTU field operative, under the command of another CTU director. Justified perhaps, in that in most subsequent seasons, Jack isn't actually a full-time CTU agent and has only been temporarily reinstated. However, even in Season 3, where Jack is working at CTU full-time, he's only the Director of Field Ops.
25th Aug '16 7:33:46 AM StFan
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* In the Literature/BlackCompany books, Lady is the BigBad of the first trilogy. Then someone [[IKnowYourTrueName speaks her true name]], and she's Croaker's second-in-command from then on.

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* In the Literature/BlackCompany ''Literature/TheBlackCompany'' books, Lady is the BigBad of the first trilogy. Then someone [[IKnowYourTrueName speaks her true name]], and she's Croaker's second-in-command from then on.
29th Jul '16 6:09:00 AM Adept
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* Many Literature/HerculePoirot and Literature/MissMarple novels has their star detective play a sedentary role. The bulk of the investigation is carried out by other sleuths, while Poirot and/or Marple would only become prominent when it's time to reveal the solution.
29th Jul '16 6:00:33 AM Adept
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* Kratos May, from Javier Negrete's ''LaEspadaDeFuego''. He is easily the greatest swordsman on the continent and second-in-command of a band of mercenaries so powerful that they're their own nation. When the time comes to fight for a Sword ForgedByTheGods, a wizard who [[IOweYouMyLife saved his life]] tells him to teach the much younger protagonist so ''he'' can win the sword instead.
* The ''StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' uses this on a couple occasions with Luke.

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* Kratos May, from Javier Negrete's ''LaEspadaDeFuego''.''Literature/LaEspadaDeFuego''. He is easily the greatest swordsman on the continent and second-in-command of a band of mercenaries so powerful that they're their own nation. When the time comes to fight for a Sword ForgedByTheGods, a wizard who [[IOweYouMyLife saved his life]] tells him to teach the much younger protagonist so ''he'' can win the sword instead.
* The ''StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' uses this on a couple occasions with Luke.



* In the BlackCompany books, Lady is the BigBad of the first trilogy. Then someone [[IKnowYourTrueName speaks her true name]], and she's Croaker's second-in-command from then on.

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* In the BlackCompany Literature/BlackCompany books, Lady is the BigBad of the first trilogy. Then someone [[IKnowYourTrueName speaks her true name]], and she's Croaker's second-in-command from then on.
10th Jul '16 11:34:11 AM nombretomado
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* In another BioWare game, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', [[spoiler:Teirn Loghain has this done to him for killing the King and undermining the war efforts. Another choice is to have him killed.]]
* Third BioWare example. ''Technically'' the whole Star Forge hunt in ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' is being led by Bastila Shan. This quickly degrades into "leading only on paper" as your character is able to take command of the situation and your RagtagBunchOfMisfits who mostly ignore Jedi authority.

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* In another BioWare Creator/BioWare game, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', [[spoiler:Teirn Loghain has this done to him for killing the King and undermining the war efforts. Another choice is to have him killed.]]
* Third BioWare [=BioWare=] example. ''Technically'' the whole Star Forge hunt in ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' is being led by Bastila Shan. This quickly degrades into "leading only on paper" as your character is able to take command of the situation and your RagtagBunchOfMisfits who mostly ignore Jedi authority.
9th Jul '16 6:58:02 AM Morgenthaler
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* Titania of ''FireEmblem Path of Radiance'' is first Ike's mentor and boss, and after his father [[TheObiWan dies]], she becomes Ike's subordinate. Unlike many examples of this trope, Ike's youth and inexperience is actually a source of conflict and some of the mercenaries quit over it (Ike ''himself'' thinks this is too sudden). Titania and those that remain do so by choice. Titania also doesn't get demoted - she still has her "second-in-command" position, she just changed bosses.

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* Titania of ''FireEmblem Path of Radiance'' is first Ike's mentor and boss, and after his father [[TheObiWan [[MentorOccupationalHazard dies]], she becomes Ike's subordinate. Unlike many examples of this trope, Ike's youth and inexperience is actually a source of conflict and some of the mercenaries quit over it (Ike ''himself'' thinks this is too sudden). Titania and those that remain do so by choice. Titania also doesn't get demoted - she still has her "second-in-command" position, she just changed bosses.
4th Jul '16 1:05:03 AM Morgenthaler
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** Your efforts don't go unrecognized, as you do get a huge statue in Bruma for saving the city, and yes, it is ''you'', not a generic statue. You will at least be remembered as, probably, TheObiWan played straight.
21st Jun '16 3:21:46 PM KamenRiderOokalf
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* ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'' introduces Yuuno so you can watch him get his butt kicked, turn into a ferret, and hand over magic casting and monster fighting duties to our heroine.

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* ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'' ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'' introduces Yuuno so you can watch him get his butt kicked, turn into a ferret, and hand over magic casting and monster fighting duties to our heroine.
28th Mar '16 4:34:03 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* Maria of ''SakuraTaisen'' is a firearms expert with intrigue and assassins in her past, so she ''seems'' like a good choice for leader in a war. But she is summarily replaced as field leader by...a rookie cadet we first saw swabbing the deck of a ship. Averted insofar as she stays on as second-in-command, remains competent in the field, and is tapped to be leader once again during the time Oogami is transferred to Paris.
** Dodged in ''SakuraTaisen V'' with Ratchet, no-nonsense knife expert and prototype mech pilot. Leader and general badass, until shortly into Chapter 1. At this moment, her spiritual power gives out, rendering her unable to pilot her mecha and thus no longer able to lead from the front. Instead of getting demoted to following the new hero, Shinjiro Taiga, Ratchet gets the promotion she deserves from being Taiga's immediate commanding officer to still his immediate commanding officer.

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* Maria of ''SakuraTaisen'' ''VideoGame/SakuraWars'' is a firearms expert with intrigue and assassins in her past, so she ''seems'' like a good choice for leader in a war. But she is summarily replaced as field leader by...a rookie cadet we first saw swabbing the deck of a ship. Averted insofar as she stays on as second-in-command, remains competent in the field, and is tapped to be leader once again during the time Oogami Ogami is transferred to Paris.
** Dodged in ''SakuraTaisen V'' ''VideoGame/SakuraWarsSoLongMyLove'' with Ratchet, no-nonsense knife expert and prototype mech pilot. Leader and general badass, until shortly into Chapter 1. At this moment, her spiritual power gives out, rendering her unable to pilot her mecha and thus no longer able to lead from the front. Instead of getting demoted to following the new hero, Shinjiro Taiga, Ratchet gets the promotion she deserves from being Taiga's immediate commanding officer to still being his immediate commanding officer.
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