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10th Feb '18 5:23:41 PM CassandraLeo
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Throughout its history, Punk has been at odds with ProgressiveRock, which is often considered to be the epitome of technical rock. Many punk musicians decried its greatly elaborate and exhibitionist nature, claiming that these characteristics were stifling and discouraging to amateur musicians. (However, this wasn't universal, and its extent has been frequently exaggerated in the press, perhaps due to critics' disdain for progressive rock. John Lydon [Johnny Rotten], for example, was an avowed fan of several seminal prog bands like Music/{{Magma}} and Music/VanDerGraafGenerator,[[note]]Lydon's outspoken praise for these groups actually became a source of tension with [=McLaren=], who felt it would conflict with the Pistols' image[[/note]] and the genre was an unmistakable influence on his later work with Music/PublicImageLtd. The two genres ultimately wound up influencing much of the same music - Music/{{Metallica}} and Music/TheFallOfTroy, to name two disparate examples, bear unmistakable influence from both punk and prog - and ultimately even cross-pollinated ''each other'' somewhat. The ProgressiveRock page has much further detail under the "Fandom Rivalry" trope.)

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Throughout its history, Punk has been at odds with ProgressiveRock, which is often considered to be the epitome of technical rock. Many punk musicians decried its greatly elaborate and exhibitionist nature, claiming that these characteristics were stifling and discouraging to amateur musicians. (However, this wasn't universal, and its extent has been frequently exaggerated in the press, perhaps due to critics' disdain for progressive rock. John Lydon Music/JohnLydon [Johnny Rotten], for example, was an avowed fan of several seminal prog bands like Music/{{Magma}} and Music/VanDerGraafGenerator,[[note]]Lydon's outspoken praise for these groups actually became a source of tension with [=McLaren=], who felt it would conflict with the Pistols' image[[/note]] and the genre was an unmistakable influence on his later work with Music/PublicImageLtd. The two genres ultimately wound up influencing much of the same music - Music/{{Metallica}} and Music/TheFallOfTroy, to name two disparate examples, bear unmistakable influence from both punk and prog - and ultimately even cross-pollinated ''each other'' somewhat. The ProgressiveRock page has much further detail under the "Fandom Rivalry" trope.)
10th Feb '18 5:20:15 PM CassandraLeo
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In addition, there is the subgenre of Oi!/street punk; nominally apolitical and the self-proclaimed music of the working class. Popular among punks and skins of all races and political stripes, the genre was formed in reaction to the perceived invasion of the punk scene by college hipsters, art school students and corporate fat cats. Famous bands include: the Cockney Rejects, the Oppressed, Angelic Upstarts, Cock Sparrer, Iron Cross, and many others. Special note: there are a small number of fascist/white power affiliated groups who emulate the Oi! style. They are currently locked in a decades long battle with SHARP and redskins, as well as AFA affiliated punks. In summation, most connected to the Oi! scene are not racist, and to label them as such is a good way to get a boot to the head. Most people just refer to neo-Nazi/far-right bands as Rock Against Communism/RAC, and following suit is probably the safest way to avoid pissing anyone off. Then again, they are literal fascists, and who's in Oi! to keep things calm? Punk's early use of fascist imagery resulted in a proliferation of genuinely racist, rather than latently racist, bands, resulting again in increased violence and waves of action and reaction on both sides, although fascists on the scene were decried by bands ranging from The Clash to the Dead Kennedys, whose single "Nazi Punks Fuckk Off" was a seminal example.

Throughout its history, Punk has been at odds with ProgressiveRock, which is considered by many to be the epitome of technical rock. Many punk musicians decried its greatly elaborate and exhibitionist nature, claiming that these characteristics were stifling and discouraging to amateur musicians. Punk has been described as the democratisation of music, since prior to its deconstruction of rock, rock had been becoming ever-more idolatrous and money-focused. Punk also helped create the next generation of independent record labels, including, most notably, Creator/FourADRecords, Creator/FactoryRecords, Rough Trade and Creator/SubPop. Interestingly, the punk ethos and fandom intersect in the early eighties, when punk 'zines were the inspiration for modern, home-produced fanzines, which eventually led to today's internet communities.

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In addition, there is the subgenre of Oi!/street punk; nominally apolitical and the self-proclaimed music of the working class. Popular among punks and skins of all races and political stripes, the genre was formed in reaction to the perceived invasion of the punk scene by college hipsters, art school students and corporate fat cats. Famous bands include: the Cockney Rejects, the Oppressed, Angelic Upstarts, Cock Sparrer, Iron Cross, and many others. Special note: there are a small number of fascist/white power affiliated groups who emulate the Oi! style. They are currently locked in a decades long battle with SHARP and redskins, as well as AFA affiliated punks. In summation, most connected to the Oi! scene are not racist, and to label them as such is a good way to get a boot to the head. Most people just refer to neo-Nazi/far-right bands as Rock Against Communism/RAC, and following suit is probably the safest way to avoid pissing anyone off. Then again, they are literal fascists, and who's in Oi! to keep things calm? Punk's early use of fascist imagery resulted in a proliferation of genuinely racist, rather than latently racist, bands, resulting again in increased violence and waves of action and reaction on both sides, although fascists on in the scene were decried by bands ranging from The Clash to the Dead Kennedys, whose single "Nazi Punks Fuckk Fuck Off" was a seminal example.

Throughout its history, Punk has been at odds with ProgressiveRock, which is often considered by many to be the epitome of technical rock. Many punk musicians decried its greatly elaborate and exhibitionist nature, claiming that these characteristics were stifling and discouraging to amateur musicians. (However, this wasn't universal, and its extent has been frequently exaggerated in the press, perhaps due to critics' disdain for progressive rock. John Lydon [Johnny Rotten], for example, was an avowed fan of several seminal prog bands like Music/{{Magma}} and Music/VanDerGraafGenerator,[[note]]Lydon's outspoken praise for these groups actually became a source of tension with [=McLaren=], who felt it would conflict with the Pistols' image[[/note]] and the genre was an unmistakable influence on his later work with Music/PublicImageLtd. The two genres ultimately wound up influencing much of the same music - Music/{{Metallica}} and Music/TheFallOfTroy, to name two disparate examples, bear unmistakable influence from both punk and prog - and ultimately even cross-pollinated ''each other'' somewhat. The ProgressiveRock page has much further detail under the "Fandom Rivalry" trope.)

Punk has been described as the democratisation of music, since prior to its deconstruction of rock, rock had been becoming ever-more idolatrous and money-focused. Punk also helped create the next generation of independent record labels, including, most notably, Creator/FourADRecords, Creator/FactoryRecords, Rough Trade and Creator/SubPop. Interestingly, the punk ethos and fandom intersect in the early eighties, when punk 'zines were the inspiration for modern, home-produced fanzines, which eventually led to today's internet communities.


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15th Oct '17 3:14:13 PM nombretomado
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+ {{Rockabilly}}, Surf Music, BritishInvasion, HardRock, sometimes KrautRock

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+ {{Rockabilly}}, Surf Music, BritishInvasion, UsefulNotes/TheBritishInvasion, HardRock, sometimes KrautRock
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2nd May '17 2:06:20 PM bt8257
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{{Ahem}}. Punk bands tended to eschew the [[strike:perceived]] excesses of mainstream 1970s rock. They also embraced a DIY aesthetic, with many bands self-producing their recordings and distributing them through informal channels.

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{{Ahem}}. Punk bands tended to eschew the [[strike:perceived]] excesses of mainstream 1970s rock. They also embraced a DIY aesthetic, with many bands self-producing their recordings and distributing them through informal channels.


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* Music/{{Jawbreaker}}
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** ''Music/RevolutionRadio'' (2016)
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** {{Crossover Thrash}}


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Throughout its history, Punk has been at odds with ProgressiveRock, which is considered by many to be the epitome of technical rock. Many punk musicians decried its greatly elaborate and exhibitionist nature, claiming that these characteristics were stifling and discouraging to amateur musicians. Punk has been described as the democratisation of music, since prior to its deconstruction of rock, rock had been becoming ever-more idolatrous and money-focused. Punk also helped create the next generation of independent record labels, including, most notably, Creator/FactoryRecords and Rough Trade. Interestingly, the punk ethos and fandom intersect in the early eighties, when punk 'zines were the inspiration for modern, home-produced fanzines, which eventually led to today's internet communities.

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Throughout its history, Punk has been at odds with ProgressiveRock, which is considered by many to be the epitome of technical rock. Many punk musicians decried its greatly elaborate and exhibitionist nature, claiming that these characteristics were stifling and discouraging to amateur musicians. Punk has been described as the democratisation of music, since prior to its deconstruction of rock, rock had been becoming ever-more idolatrous and money-focused. Punk also helped create the next generation of independent record labels, including, most notably, Creator/FactoryRecords and Creator/FourADRecords, Creator/FactoryRecords, Rough Trade.Trade and Creator/SubPop. Interestingly, the punk ethos and fandom intersect in the early eighties, when punk 'zines were the inspiration for modern, home-produced fanzines, which eventually led to today's internet communities.
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