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7th May '17 4:19:30 AM LentilSandEater
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* [[http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/schroedinbug.html Schroedinbugs]] are bugs in which a program works fine until someone looking at the source code realizes it shouldn't work, at which point it stops working. This occasionally happens. Mostly it's because it only works because of some strange bit of junk data lodged in the memory it references. When the program is edited, it references something else, which means that the little bit of randomness that made it work isn't there anymore.
** Even more aggravating are the reverse phenomena: heisenbugs. The kind that are immediately apparent when you are running your code normally, but magically disappear when you try to fix or isolate them, leaving you with [[ParanoiaFuel that nagging feeling that they can come back at any time]], no matter how much work you've done to fix them. Usually, these bugs are triggered by a reverse of the same phenomena that causes Shroedinbugs: the error only shows up due to some junk data, and the presence of a debugger disturbs the cause of the bug to the point that it no longer exists. Alternately, a bug in one subsystem is only triggered when a bug in another system goes off, and so on, to the point that the result is impossible to replicate.
** Both not are limited just to programming. In other applications -for example, complex electrical automatisms with many contactors, timers, contacts, etc.- may appear too.

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* [[http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/schroedinbug.html Schroedinbugs]] are bugs in which a program works fine until someone looking at the source code realizes it shouldn't work, at which point it stops working. This occasionally happens. Mostly it's because it only works because of some strange bit of junk data lodged in the memory it references. When the program is edited, it references something else, which means that the little bit of randomness that made it work isn't there anymore.
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Even more aggravating are the reverse phenomena: heisenbugs. The kind that are immediately apparent when you are running your code normally, but magically disappear when you try to fix or isolate them, leaving you with [[ParanoiaFuel that nagging feeling that they can come back at any time]], no matter how much work you've done to fix them. Usually, these bugs are triggered by a reverse of the same phenomena that causes Shroedinbugs: the error only shows up due to some junk data, and the presence of a debugger disturbs the cause of the bug to the point that it no longer exists. Alternately, a bug in one subsystem is only triggered when a bug in another system goes off, and so on, to the point that the result is impossible to replicate.
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Both not are limited just to programming. In other applications -for example, complex electrical automatisms with many contactors, timers, contacts, etc.- may appear too.
7th May '17 4:09:24 AM LentilSandEater
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* ''[[Videogame/ShadowHearts Koudelka]]'' has Charlotte the ghost of a little girl who died in a fire after years of being tortured in the ruins of the Inquisitional dungeon the game takes place in, convinced hatred was all the world had to offer her. Completing a short fetch-quest prior to the final confrontation will see Koudelka in possession of the letters the Inquisitors were keeping from her, letters from Charlotte's mother explaining she gave her up to the Inquisition rather than see them kill her on the spot for [[BastardBastard "being born wrong"]] and hopes she is being treated well by the men of God even if they can never be together. Upon realizing she actually had someone who genuinely loved her, Charlotte poofs. It should also be noted she is not willingly moving on, the very concept of [[WhatIsThisThingYouCallLove love confuses and scares]] Charlotte, but it means the foundation of her hatred is flawed and thus she fades away with it.

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* ''[[Videogame/ShadowHearts Koudelka]]'' has Charlotte the ghost of a little girl who died in a fire after years of being tortured in the ruins of the Inquisitional dungeon the game takes place in, convinced hatred was all the world had to offer her. Completing a short fetch-quest prior to the final confrontation will see Koudelka in possession of the letters the Inquisitors were keeping from her, letters from Charlotte's mother explaining she gave her up to the Inquisition rather than see them kill her on the spot for [[BastardBastard "being born wrong"]] and hopes she is being treated well by the men of God even if they can never be together. Upon realizing she actually had someone who genuinely loved her, Charlotte poofs. It should also be noted she She is not willingly moving on, the very concept of [[WhatIsThisThingYouCallLove love confuses and scares]] Charlotte, but it means the foundation of her hatred is flawed and thus she fades away with it.
6th May '17 6:05:17 PM DrFraud
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[[folder:Jokes]]
* Old joke:
-->Two men are standing on a skyscraper. Suddenly, the first one jumps down. The other one expects him to die horribly, but to his surprise, the first guy just bounces off the pavement, bounces a few more times, until he comes to rest. The second guy inquires how this is possible. The first guy explains: "[[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve It's all in your mind]]. You just have to think you're a rubber ball, and you will bounce just like a ball."\\
"And everyone can do that?"\\
"Yes, everyone, it's the easiest thing. Try it."\\
The second man is curious and really makes the jump. All the time while he's falling, he thinks "I'm a rubber ball, I'm a rubber ball".\\
Then, shortly before hitting the pavement: "But what if I was a tomato?"\\
SMASH!
** Alternate Punchline: "[[SuperDickery You're such an asshole,]] Franchise/{{Superman}}."
* Descartes walks into a bar, the bartender asks him what he wants, and he orders a beer. He drinks it, and the bartender asks him if he wants another beer. Descartes says "I think not", and disappears in a puff of logic.
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[[folder:Jokes]]
* Old joke:
-->Two men are standing on a skyscraper. Suddenly, the first one jumps down. The other one expects him to die horribly, but to his surprise, the first guy just bounces off the pavement, bounces a few more times, until he comes to rest. The second guy inquires how this is possible. The first guy explains: "[[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve It's all in your mind]]. You just have to think you're a rubber ball, and you will bounce just like a ball."\\
"And everyone can do that?"\\
"Yes, everyone, it's the easiest thing. Try it."\\
The second man is curious and really makes the jump. All the time while he's falling, he thinks "I'm a rubber ball, I'm a rubber ball".\\
Then, shortly before hitting the pavement: "But what if I was a tomato?"\\
SMASH!
** Alternate Punchline: "[[SuperDickery You're such an asshole,]] Franchise/{{Superman}}."
* Descartes walks into a bar, the bartender asks him what he wants, and he orders a beer. He drinks it, and the bartender asks him if he wants another beer. Descartes says "I think not", and disappears in a puff of logic.
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5th May '17 12:20:53 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* The TropeNamer is ''[[Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy]]'', where {{God}}'s existence is disproved because the Babel Fish is just too handy to have evolved naturally. As the argument goes, God refuses to prove his own existence, because "proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." Man points out the Babel Fish as a "dead giveaway", causing God to vanish "in a puff of logic." The Guide then says that this argument has been universally rejected on the basis that it is [[LogicalFallacy profoundly stupid]]; just to start, the Babel Fish being made unnaturally doesn't mean God had to have made it. Of course, that doesn't stop in-universe writers such as Oolon Coluphid from cashing in on the argument.

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* ''Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy''
* The TropeNamer is ''[[Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy]]'', titular book where {{God}}'s existence is disproved because the Babel Fish is just too handy to have evolved naturally. As the argument goes, God refuses to prove his own existence, because "proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." Man points out the Babel Fish as a "dead giveaway", causing God to vanish "in a puff of logic." The Guide then says that this argument has been universally rejected on the basis that it is [[LogicalFallacy profoundly stupid]]; just to start, the Babel Fish being made unnaturally doesn't mean God had to have made it. Of course, that doesn't stop in-universe writers such as Oolon Coluphid from cashing in on the argument.



*''Literature/JourneyToChaos'' plays this trope for laughs. Eric has a VisionQuest and goes for over a week without eating or drinking anything. Once reunited with his team, TheMedic says that he should have died by now. Eric pretends to keel over as a joke, leading to {{dope slap}}es and shouts of [[invoked]] DudeNotFunny.



* Logical positivism asserts that only statements about empirical observations are meaningful, effectively asserting that all metaphysical statements are meaningless. Unfortunately, [[LogicBomb this fundamental tenet of logical positivism belongs to the family of statements that it asserts to be meaningless]]. As a result, the entire edifice of logical positivism vanishes in a puff of logic. Of course, this argument is itself a purely metaphysical/philosophical conjecture, and therefore meaningless.
* [[ComicallyMissingThePoint A true nihilist must believe]] that nihilism itself is as meaningless as all other supposed truths.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-refuting_idea Several other belief systems]] have this characteristic, or are claimed to at least.

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* *There are a number of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-refuting_idea belief systems that refute themselves]]. These include:
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Logical positivism asserts that only statements about empirical observations are meaningful, effectively asserting that all metaphysical statements are meaningless. Unfortunately, [[LogicBomb this fundamental tenet of logical positivism belongs to the family of statements that it asserts to be meaningless]]. As a result, the entire edifice of logical positivism vanishes in a puff of logic. Of course, this argument is itself a purely metaphysical/philosophical conjecture, and therefore meaningless.
* [[ComicallyMissingThePoint ** A true nihilist must believe]] believe that nihilism itself is as meaningless as all other supposed truths.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-refuting_idea Several other belief systems]] have this characteristic, or are claimed to at least.
truths. Likewise, someone sincere in their cynicism will also be cynical about their own cynicism.
3rd May '17 4:26:49 PM john_e
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* In the 1951 short story ''Built Down Logically'' by Howard Schoenfeld, two students come to the conclusion that their lecturer can't possibly exist. He instantly disappears, very nearly naming the trope as he does so:
-->No sooner had he uttered these words than Hooper disappeared. His body became opaque, then transparent. Then there was a puff of smoke, and he was gone, the fact of his existence wiped out by the logical thinking of the two students.
2nd May '17 2:10:53 AM Aribter-Nelson
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* ''[[Videogame/ShadowHearts Koudelka]]'' has Charlotte the ghost of a little girl who died in a fire after years of being tortured in the ruins of the Inquisitional dungeon the game takes place in, convinced hatred was all the world had to offer her. Completing a short fetch-quest prior to the final confrontation will see Koudelka in possession of the letters the Inquisitors were keeping from her, letters from Charlotte's mother explaining she gave her up to the Inquisition rather than see them kill her on the spot for [[BastardBastard "being born wrong"]] and hopes she is being treated well by the men of God even if they can't be together. Upon realizing she actually had someone who genuinely loved her, Charlotte poofs. It should also be noted she is not willingly moving on, the very concept of love confuses and scares her, but it means the foundation of her hatred is flawed and thus she fades away with it.

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* ''[[Videogame/ShadowHearts Koudelka]]'' has Charlotte the ghost of a little girl who died in a fire after years of being tortured in the ruins of the Inquisitional dungeon the game takes place in, convinced hatred was all the world had to offer her. Completing a short fetch-quest prior to the final confrontation will see Koudelka in possession of the letters the Inquisitors were keeping from her, letters from Charlotte's mother explaining she gave her up to the Inquisition rather than see them kill her on the spot for [[BastardBastard "being born wrong"]] and hopes she is being treated well by the men of God even if they can't can never be together. Upon realizing she actually had someone who genuinely loved her, Charlotte poofs. It should also be noted she is not willingly moving on, the very concept of [[WhatIsThisThingYouCallLove love confuses and scares her, scares]] Charlotte, but it means the foundation of her hatred is flawed and thus she fades away with it.
2nd May '17 2:00:47 AM Aribter-Nelson
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* ''[[Videogame/ShadowHearts Koudelka]]'' has Charlotte the ghost of a little girl who died in a fire after years of being tortured in the ruins of the Inquisitional dungeon the game takes place in, convinced hatred was all the world had to offer her. Completing a short fetch-quest prior to the final confrontation will see Koudelka in possession of the letters the Inquisitors were keeping from her, letters from Charlotte's mother explaining she gave her up to the Inquisition rather than see them kill her on the spot for [[BastardBastard "being born wrong"]] and hopes she is being treated well by the men of God even if they can't be together. Upon realizing she actually had someone who genuinely loved her, Charlotte poofs. It should also be noted she is not willingly moving on, the very concept of love confuses and scares her, but it means the foundation of her hatred is flawed and thus she fades away with it.
26th Apr '17 5:05:13 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0585.html #585]]: Vaarsuvius attempted to use his Common Sense to aid in the Banishment of an enormous devil which was in clear violation of the SquareCubeLaw. Didn't work.

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** [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0585.html #585]]: Vaarsuvius attempted to use his Common Sense to aid in the Banishment of an enormous devil which was in clear violation of the SquareCubeLaw. Didn't work. The fact Vaarsuvius is a magical elf who was flying with no physical means of propulsion at the time did not help the argument.
17th Apr '17 1:20:08 PM Monolaf317
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** In the skit which shows the consequences of Disney/{{Pinocchio}} becoming a real boy, Pinocchio is told by Geppetto his catheter infected him with Staphylococcus and he's been a boy for 1 day only. And ''then'''s when he starts to die from his Staph infection.

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** In the skit [[RealityEnsues which shows the consequences consequences]] of Disney/{{Pinocchio}} becoming a real boy, Pinocchio is told by Geppetto his catheter infected him with Staphylococcus and he's been a boy for 1 day only. And ''then'''s ''that's'' when he starts to die from his Staph infection.
17th Apr '17 1:18:22 PM Monolaf317
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* In ''TheBookOfPooh'' episode "Double Time", Rabbit flies up in the air to talk to Kessie (a bird). And then...
-->'''Kessie''': But...Rabbit? ''You can't fly.''
-->'''Rabbit''': [[OhCrap Oh my, I believe you'reó]]''(falls)'' ''riiiiiggghhhtt...''

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* In ''TheBookOfPooh'' episode "Double Time", Rabbit flies up in the air to talk to Kessie (a bird). And then...
-->'''Kessie''': But...
Eventually...
-->'''Kessie:''' But...
Rabbit? ''You can't fly.''
-->'''Rabbit''': -->'''Rabbit:''' [[OhCrap Oh my, I believe you'reó]]''(falls)'' ''riiiiiggghhhtt...''



-->'''Arthur''': Francine, stop it! You're going to get hurt. ''Kids can't fly!''\\
'''Francine''': They can't?\\
'''Arthur''': No! It's impossible!\\
'''Francine''': Oh. ''(screams and falls into a pile of leaves)''\\
'''Arthur''': Don't you hate it when you have to burst someone's bubble?

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-->'''Arthur''': -->'''Arthur:''' Francine, stop it! You're going to get hurt. hurt! ''Kids can't fly!''\\
'''Francine''': '''Francine:''' They can't?\\
'''Arthur''': '''Arthur:''' No! It's impossible!\\
'''Francine''': '''Francine:''' Oh. ''(screams and falls into a pile of leaves)''\\
'''Arthur''': '''Arthur:''' Don't you hate it when you have to burst someone's bubble?
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