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"Proud", in this case, often means "Psychopathically Violent". Critiques of this position will be met with: "[[CultureJustifiesAnything You do]] ''[[CultureJustifiesAnything not]]'' [[CultureJustifiesAnything understand]]." May occasionally overlap with the AlwaysChaoticEvil race, though the two are usually differentiated by the Proud Warrior having a strict Code of Honor (which may include [[DebtDetester paying debts]], [[UndyingLoyalty loyalty to companions and officers]], and [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen fighting with honor]]), while the ChaoticEvil race has no real rules and does cowardly or underhanded things. If the Code of Honor is [[BlueAndOrangeMorality too alien for humans to understand]], or [[OfThePeople too xenophobic to allow cooperation]], then the heroes will treat the two groups as the same. The better sort of Code of Honor will enforce WouldNotShootACivilian, although often because civilians are dismissed as too weak and cowardly to be good fighters, and so they get passed over in the search for worthy enemies.

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"Proud", in this case, often means "Psychopathically Violent". Critiques of this position will be met with: "[[CultureJustifiesAnything You do]] ''[[CultureJustifiesAnything not]]'' [[CultureJustifiesAnything understand]]." understand]]". May occasionally overlap with the AlwaysChaoticEvil race, though the two are usually differentiated by the Proud Warrior having a strict Code of Honor (which may include [[DebtDetester paying debts]], [[UndyingLoyalty loyalty to companions and officers]], and [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen fighting with honor]]), while the ChaoticEvil race has no real rules and does cowardly or underhanded things. If the Code of Honor is [[BlueAndOrangeMorality too alien for humans to understand]], or [[OfThePeople too xenophobic to allow cooperation]], then the heroes will treat the two groups as the same. The better sort of Code of Honor will enforce WouldNotShootACivilian, although often because civilians are dismissed as too weak and cowardly to be good fighters, and so they get passed over in the search for worthy enemies.



* Deconstructed in the [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic MLP:FiM]] fanfic ''FanFic/HeartOfGoldFeathersOfSteel''. Gilda has plenty of warrior instincts. However they do her more harm than good - which she herself acknowledges. Similarly her father's and other griffins' insistence on following the old war-like ways is what's slowly driving the griffin tribes to extinction.
* The all-male Hell Knights, also called the Nephilim, from ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' are an entire race of these who have dedicated themselves to Maledict as an eternal warrior class. In a similar vein to Vikings, they are utterly relentless in battle, but have extremely strong - [[BlueAndOrangeMorality and unusual]] - honor codes.

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* Deconstructed in the [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic MLP:FiM]] fanfic ''FanFic/HeartOfGoldFeathersOfSteel''. Gilda has plenty of warrior instincts. However they do her more harm than good - -- which she herself acknowledges. Similarly her father's and other griffins' insistence on following the old war-like ways is what's slowly driving the griffin tribes to extinction.
* The all-male Hell Knights, also called the Nephilim, from ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' are an entire race of these who have dedicated themselves to Maledict as an eternal warrior class. In a similar vein to Vikings, they are utterly relentless in battle, but have extremely strong - -- [[BlueAndOrangeMorality and unusual]] - -- honor codes.



---> '''Wedge''': Circular thinking. I'm honorable because I kill the enemy, and I kill the enemy for the honor. There's nothing there, Cheriss. Here's the truth: I kill the enemy so someone, somewhere -- probably someone I've never met and never will meet - will be happy. [...] I told you how I lost my parents. Nothing I ever do can make up for that loss. But if I put myself in the way of people just as bad as the ones who killed my family, if I burn them down, then someone else they would have hurt gets to stay happy. That's the only honorable thing about my profession. It's not the killing. It's making the galaxy a little better.

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---> '''Wedge''': Circular thinking. I'm honorable because I kill the enemy, and I kill the enemy for the honor. There's nothing there, Cheriss. Here's the truth: I kill the enemy so someone, somewhere -- probably someone I've never met and never will meet - -- will be happy. [...] I told you how I lost my parents. Nothing I ever do can make up for that loss. But if I put myself in the way of people just as bad as the ones who killed my family, if I burn them down, then someone else they would have hurt gets to stay happy. That's the only honorable thing about my profession. It's not the killing. It's making the galaxy a little better.



* Creator/TerryPratchett's non-Discworld novel, ''Literature/{{Strata}}'', gives us the paranoid but violent ''kung'', an alien race accurately described as "frightened of everything except immediate [[BerserkButton physical danger]]." The audience's representative of the race, Marco, can decapitate dragons mid-air, but otherwise lives in terror that Someone is out to get him. As another character put it, "These Northmen have a word, 'Berserker.' It was made for Marco."

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* Creator/TerryPratchett's non-Discworld novel, ''Literature/{{Strata}}'', gives us the paranoid but violent ''kung'', an alien race accurately described as "frightened of everything except immediate [[BerserkButton physical danger]]." danger]]". The audience's representative of the race, Marco, can decapitate dragons mid-air, but otherwise lives in terror that Someone is out to get him. As another character put it, "These Northmen have a word, 'Berserker.' 'Berserker'. It was made for Marco."



* Foster used this much earlier in his novelization of ''Literature/TheLastStarfighter'': one of the reasons that the Star League has to go to such lengths as hiring an interstellar ConMan to recruit from planets so primitive they aren't even on the map is that the "civilized" races have put war behind them ages ago. Those few with a talent for violence - the Starfighters - are considered dangerously psychotic by most of their own people.

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* Foster used this much earlier in his novelization of ''Literature/TheLastStarfighter'': one of the reasons that the Star League has to go to such lengths as hiring an interstellar ConMan to recruit from planets so primitive they aren't even on the map is that the "civilized" races have put war behind them ages ago. Those few with a talent for violence - -- the Starfighters - -- are considered dangerously psychotic by most of their own people.



** Drizzt himself is basically a Proud Warrior Race Guy, having grown up for around 30 years in an underground city full of vicious assassins who are trained from birth in the most efficient, vicious ways of killing living things. His homeland is, in essence, a gigantic, sadistic special forces unit (his race possess remarkable prowess in the areas of stealth and unit tactics, while at the same time possessing a huge superiority complex over all other living creatures including each other and having a vicious sadistic streak, making them more Arrogant Warrior Race Guys). It sounds like he's even more noble and sacrifice-loving than any Proud Warrior Race Guy ever, but he possesses a remarkable survival instinct and is portrayed as too badass to actually die, even when he tries self-sacrifice. [[spoiler: He does die once, in a duel to the death against his archenemy, but only for one page, not counting the year between the end of the book he dies in and the very first page of the next.]] Then we get into the Arrogant Assassin Race Guys issue, which is quite different. The drow are an example of why AlwaysChaoticEvil doesn't make for good proud warrior races - they have no concept of honour, often even no interest in a good fight, just getting ahead at everyone else's expense at minimum cost. The way Drizzt demonstrates he's (to a small extent) learnt to think like a drow during his training is when he challenges his last remaining opponent in a free-for-all between students to an open, honourable single combat, which he knows he can win - only to have the other step in a trap he has set up, by which Drizzt proves he wouldn't do anything so stupid as to issue an honourable challenge anymore.

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** Drizzt himself is basically a Proud Warrior Race Guy, having grown up for around 30 years in an underground city full of vicious assassins who are trained from birth in the most efficient, vicious ways of killing living things. His homeland is, in essence, a gigantic, sadistic special forces unit (his race possess remarkable prowess in the areas of stealth and unit tactics, while at the same time possessing a huge superiority complex over all other living creatures including each other and having a vicious sadistic streak, making them more Arrogant Warrior Race Guys). It sounds like he's even more noble and sacrifice-loving than any Proud Warrior Race Guy ever, but he possesses a remarkable survival instinct and is portrayed as too badass to actually die, even when he tries self-sacrifice. [[spoiler: He does die once, in a duel to the death against his archenemy, but only for one page, not counting the year between the end of the book he dies in and the very first page of the next.]] Then we get into the Arrogant Assassin Race Guys issue, which is quite different. The drow are an example of why AlwaysChaoticEvil doesn't make for good proud warrior races - -- they have no concept of honour, often even no interest in a good fight, just getting ahead at everyone else's expense at minimum cost. The way Drizzt demonstrates he's (to a small extent) learnt to think like a drow during his training is when he challenges his last remaining opponent in a free-for-all between students to an open, honourable single combat, which he knows he can win - -- only to have the other step in a trap he has set up, by which Drizzt proves he wouldn't do anything so stupid as to issue an honourable challenge anymore.



* Okonkwo, from ''Literature/ThingsFallApart'', is a proud warrior race guy. Anything that doesn't involve beating someone up is womanly. Deconstructed in that he lives out his life in fear being weak and fearful, and [[spoiler: his fear of seeming weak leads him to quickly give in to society's demand that he kill his adopted son, and eventually to kill himself rather than live with the Europeans.]]

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* Okonkwo, from ''Literature/ThingsFallApart'', is a proud warrior race guy. Anything that doesn't involve beating someone up is womanly. Deconstructed in that he lives out his life in fear being weak and fearful, and [[spoiler: his fear of seeming weak leads him to quickly give in to society's demand that he kill his adopted son, and eventually to kill himself rather than live with the Europeans.]]Europeans]].



* The Scylvendi from the ''Literature/SecondApocalypse'' take this trope to a scary extreme. They call themselves "the People of War" or sometimes just "the People." To them, war is both the method and object of worship. Cnaiur, the main Scylvendi character, scoffs at the concept of a Holy War. To him, ''all'' war is holy.

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* The Scylvendi from the ''Literature/SecondApocalypse'' take this trope to a scary extreme. They call themselves "the People of War" or sometimes just "the People." People". To them, war is both the method and object of worship. Cnaiur, the main Scylvendi character, scoffs at the concept of a Holy War. To him, ''all'' war is holy.



* The Holnists from AfterTheEnd novel,''Literature/ThePostman,'' by David Brin are a sort of deconstruction. Descended from the followers of a CrazySurvivalist who fancied himself an {{Ubermensch}}, the Holnists are excellent fighters and seem to have some sort of code of honor. However, the book primarily focuses on their innocent victims whose lives have been made living hells. The Holnists conquer huge swathes of territory, rape the local women and then induct them into their harems, castrate all the men who are too peaceable to have the kind of "warrior spirit" the Holnists value, and kill the men who do have a "warrior spirit" if they refuse to be inducted into Holnist society. Brin seems to be arguing that a real Proud Warrior Race Guy wouldn't be a WarriorPoet, he'd be a JerkJock.

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* The Holnists from AfterTheEnd novel,''Literature/ThePostman,'' novel ''Literature/ThePostman'' by David Brin are a sort of deconstruction. Descended from the followers of a CrazySurvivalist who fancied himself an {{Ubermensch}}, the Holnists are excellent fighters and seem to have some sort of code of honor. However, the book primarily focuses on their innocent victims whose lives have been made living hells. The Holnists conquer huge swathes of territory, rape the local women and then induct them into their harems, castrate all the men who are too peaceable to have the kind of "warrior spirit" the Holnists value, and kill the men who do have a "warrior spirit" if they refuse to be inducted into Holnist society. Brin seems to be arguing that a real Proud Warrior Race Guy wouldn't be a WarriorPoet, he'd be a JerkJock.



'''Leader:''' Barrayar had those [[BloodKnight crazy Vor warriors]]. Nuts who rushed into battle, [[DeathSeeker who liked to die]]. Marilac just doesn't have that sort of cultural tradition. We're civilized - or we were, once....\\

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'''Leader:''' Barrayar had those [[BloodKnight crazy Vor warriors]]. Nuts who rushed into battle, [[DeathSeeker who liked to die]]. Marilac just doesn't have that sort of cultural tradition. We're civilized - -- or we were, once....\\



** The ironborn take pride in being reavers. Traditionally, they do not wear jewelry not won in battle and prefer raiding to siegecraft and seamanship to horsemanship. The Greyjoy words, "We Do Not Sow," brag that they live by plunder rather than labour. Although they're seen as the ButtMonkey of the Seven Kingdoms, they are still fearsome warriors and unparalleled in the seafaring arts, despite their other failings. Stannis even admits that individually they're the strongest warriors in Westeros, the only reason his victory over them was possible was because they're too individualistic to fight cohesively as a group.

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** The ironborn take pride in being reavers. Traditionally, they do not wear jewelry not won in battle and prefer raiding to siegecraft and seamanship to horsemanship. The Greyjoy words, "We Do Not Sow," Sow", brag that they live by plunder rather than labour. Although they're seen as the ButtMonkey of the Seven Kingdoms, they are still fearsome warriors and unparalleled in the seafaring arts, despite their other failings. Stannis even admits that individually they're the strongest warriors in Westeros, the only reason his victory over them was possible was because they're too individualistic to fight cohesively as a group.



*** The importance of honor in Klingon culture changed over time. Klingons in ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' and in the associated movies, who are mostly filling the role of designated Federation antagonist, aren't hesitant about winning through guile or outright deceit (the Organian peace caused direct warfare to be less of an option, in any case). The concept of an honorable warrior is a cultural ideal, not a universal cultural truth. The main source of information on Klingon society, Worf - an orphan, raised in a radically different culture from his own, and an officer in a generally Lawful Good military - idealizes and glorifies his original culture. Time and again, we see that Worf is a paragon of Klingon virtue. Nearly every other powerful Klingon fails to live up to that standard of honor.
*** Worf is widely considered to be the most uptight, traditional, and humorless Klingon alive. Most other Klingons are much more easygoing and rarely feel bound to follow traditions, and while they still tend to be rough and proud, they can be quite fun and welcoming people to be around. Once, when Worf's humorlessness came up, he said "Klingons do not laugh," but Guinan said that ''Klingons'' laugh plenty, it's ''Worf'' that doesn't. Some of this is because Worf was raised by human foster parents. Though they tried their best to accommodate and encourage him, it could be that his books on Klingon culture had some things wrong, or he's just trying way too hard to be "a true Klingon." (His uptight nature, at least, is later explained as a result of [[DoesNotKnowHisOwnStrength accidentally killing a childhood friend]] during a soccer game, [[MyGreatestFailure which led him to keep his emotions on a short leash afterward]].)

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*** The importance of honor in Klingon culture changed over time. Klingons in ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' and in the associated movies, who are mostly filling the role of designated Federation antagonist, aren't hesitant about winning through guile or outright deceit (the Organian peace caused direct warfare to be less of an option, in any case). The concept of an honorable warrior is a cultural ideal, not a universal cultural truth. The main source of information on Klingon society, Worf - -- an orphan, raised in a radically different culture from his own, and an officer in a generally Lawful Good LawfulGood military - -- idealizes and glorifies his original culture. Time and again, we see that Worf is a paragon of Klingon virtue. Nearly every other powerful Klingon fails to live up to that standard of honor.
*** Worf is widely considered to be the most uptight, traditional, and humorless Klingon alive. Most other Klingons are much more easygoing and rarely feel bound to follow traditions, and while they still tend to be rough and proud, they can be quite fun and welcoming people to be around. Once, when Worf's humorlessness came up, he said "Klingons do not laugh," laugh", but Guinan said that ''Klingons'' laugh plenty, it's ''Worf'' that doesn't. Some of this is because Worf was raised by human foster parents. Though they tried their best to accommodate and encourage him, it could be that his books on Klingon culture had some things wrong, or he's just trying way too hard to be "a true Klingon." (His uptight nature, at least, is later explained as a result of [[DoesNotKnowHisOwnStrength accidentally killing a childhood friend]] during a soccer game, [[MyGreatestFailure which led him to keep his emotions on a short leash afterward]].)



** The Andorians are another Proud Warrior Race, and the Romulans have some shades of this (though they often balance "honor" with being sneaky, devious {{Magnificent Bastard}}s). (In the original series, the Romulans were the honour-and-glory obsessed Vikings In Space, while the Klingons were the sneaky, backstabbing bastards - they switched characterisation for some reason between then and the Next Generation.) And as Quark observes (and Kirk once acknowledged), even humans (who insist they've outgrown all that) can get [[HumansAreWarriors downright savage]] at times. Put it this way, Trek has a ''lot'' of Proud Warrior Races.

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** The Andorians are another Proud Warrior Race, and the Romulans have some shades of this (though they often balance "honor" with being sneaky, devious {{Magnificent Bastard}}s). (In the original series, the Romulans were the honour-and-glory obsessed Vikings In Space, while the Klingons were the sneaky, backstabbing bastards - -- they switched characterisation for some reason between then and the Next Generation.) And as Quark observes (and Kirk once acknowledged), even humans (who insist they've outgrown all that) can get [[HumansAreWarriors downright savage]] at times. Put it this way, Trek has a ''lot'' of Proud Warrior Races.



*** The two-part novel ''The Left Hand of Destiny'' features a tall Ferengi named Pharh. While he's a typical profit-obsessed Ferengi, he also shows that he's willing to fight for those he considers his friends, even though he gets defensive when this is pointed out, claiming that he's only being motivated by profit. In this case, his willingness to fight by Martok's side is described by him as simply him making sure that Martok pays off the cost of Pharh's shuttle, which Martok wrecked. In the end, Pharh takes a disruptor bolt meant for Martok, and Martok honors his friend's memory in the most Ferengi way possible - by paying off the cost of the shuttle to Pharh's family (not to mention fighting a battle in his honor).
** The Talarians, in the episode "Suddenly Human," are basically "I Can't Believe They're Not Klingons." They have similar martial traditions and concepts of honor. Interestingly, in an earlier episode, Klingon renegades were found aboard a Talarian ship. The Talarians even look like Klingons, with ridged scalps instead of foreheads.
** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'''s [[SuperSoldier Jem'Hadar]] also fit the bill. They exist solely to fight for the Dominion and appear to follow a code of honour; although it was never as clearly laid out for the audience as the Klingons' was, it was implied to be similar as a Jem'Hadar First who fought Worf seemed to understand him. The Jem'Hadar know their masters can be cruel, unjust and unreasonable, but - like Klingons - once they've given their allegiance (and they're bred from birth to give allegiance to the Founders), they ''will'' honour it.

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*** The two-part novel ''The Left Hand of Destiny'' features a tall Ferengi named Pharh. While he's a typical profit-obsessed Ferengi, he also shows that he's willing to fight for those he considers his friends, even though he gets defensive when this is pointed out, claiming that he's only being motivated by profit. In this case, his willingness to fight by Martok's side is described by him as simply him making sure that Martok pays off the cost of Pharh's shuttle, which Martok wrecked. In the end, Pharh takes a disruptor bolt meant for Martok, and Martok honors his friend's memory in the most Ferengi way possible - -- by paying off the cost of the shuttle to Pharh's family (not to mention fighting a battle in his honor).
** The Talarians, in the episode "Suddenly Human," Human", are basically "I Can't Believe They're Not Klingons." Klingons". They have similar martial traditions and concepts of honor. Interestingly, in an earlier episode, Klingon renegades were found aboard a Talarian ship. The Talarians even look like Klingons, with ridged scalps instead of foreheads.
** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'''s [[SuperSoldier Jem'Hadar]] also fit the bill. They exist solely to fight for the Dominion and appear to follow a code of honour; although it was never as clearly laid out for the audience as the Klingons' was, it was implied to be similar as a Jem'Hadar First who fought Worf seemed to understand him. The Jem'Hadar know their masters can be cruel, unjust and unreasonable, but - -- like Klingons - -- once they've given their allegiance (and they're bred from birth to give allegiance to the Founders), they ''will'' honour it.



* In ''Series/{{Angel}}'' Lorne's entire race is like this - [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch except him,]] regarded as a disgrace for his nonviolent tendencies, lack of suicidal bravery, and a tendency to forfeit each joust.

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* In ''Series/{{Angel}}'' Lorne's entire race is like this - -- [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch except him,]] regarded as a disgrace for his nonviolent tendencies, lack of suicidal bravery, and a tendency to forfeit each joust.



*** The Narn are a particularly nuanced case. Pretty much every Narn with any screen time is shown to be a fierce fighter, including and especially [[{{Ambadassador}} G'Kar]] - but it's far from the only thing they care about, and we rarely meet any Narn with a boilerplate "stoic warrior" personality. They're not proud of being warriors because they're naturally soldierly or because it's their designated [[PlanetOfHats hat]], but because, within living memory, they shook off a 100-year occupation by the vastly technologically superior Centauri through a war of attrition, and they're not keen to let anyone forget the accomplishment or the grievance.

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*** The Narn are a particularly nuanced case. Pretty much every Narn with any screen time is shown to be a fierce fighter, including and especially [[{{Ambadassador}} G'Kar]] - -- but it's far from the only thing they care about, and we rarely meet any Narn with a boilerplate "stoic warrior" personality. They're not proud of being warriors because they're naturally soldierly or because it's their designated [[PlanetOfHats hat]], but because, within living memory, they shook off a 100-year occupation by the vastly technologically superior Centauri through a war of attrition, and they're not keen to let anyone forget the accomplishment or the grievance.



** While everyone in the Tarkir setting is warlike the Mardu and their successors, the Kolaghan, are both examples - and a FantasyCounterpartCulture to UsefulNotes/GenghisKhan's forces, just to make it nice and clear. The Mardu, at least, had an admittedly brutal code of honour, represented by the inclusion of white mana in their identity; the Kolaghan have lost that in the new timeline, thanks mostly to Kolaghan herself, and are more along the lines of AxCrazy {{Blood Knight}}s who suffer from "the Crave" - an uncontrollable lust for blood and war.

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** While everyone in the Tarkir setting is warlike the Mardu and their successors, the Kolaghan, are both examples - -- and a FantasyCounterpartCulture to UsefulNotes/GenghisKhan's forces, just to make it nice and clear. The Mardu, at least, had an admittedly brutal code of honour, represented by the inclusion of white mana in their identity; the Kolaghan have lost that in the new timeline, thanks mostly to Kolaghan herself, and are more along the lines of AxCrazy {{Blood Knight}}s who suffer from "the Crave" - -- an uncontrollable lust for blood and war.



** While they may lack in honor, the Eldar's EvilCounterpart the Dark Eldar are certainly extremely proud and definitely a warrior species. Every single one of them is a fighter - they have slave labor to take care of all non-combat activities; except torture, which they do personally. The vast majority of Dark Eldar, [[GenderIsNoObject male and female]], serve as grunts in kabals, but there are also several warrior sects within Dark Eldar society, including [[GladiatorGames Wyches]], [[MasterSwordsman Incubi]], [[BadassBiker Reavers]], and [[WingedHumanoid Scourges]].

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** While they may lack in honor, the Eldar's EvilCounterpart the Dark Eldar are certainly extremely proud and definitely a warrior species. Every single one of them is a fighter - -- they have slave labor to take care of all non-combat activities; except torture, which they do personally. The vast majority of Dark Eldar, [[GenderIsNoObject male and female]], serve as grunts in kabals, but there are also several warrior sects within Dark Eldar society, including [[GladiatorGames Wyches]], [[MasterSwordsman Incubi]], [[BadassBiker Reavers]], and [[WingedHumanoid Scourges]].



** The elves of the Valaes Tairn in TabletopGame/{{Eberron}} are essentially what happens when [[Franchise/StarTrek Klingons]], [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Mongols]], and [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar the Vietcong]] are given a scimitar and let rip. The literal worst insult in their culture is accusing someone of disgracing the blood of his ancestors - and if you say this to one, ''he will gleefully cut you in half''.

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** The elves of the Valaes Tairn in TabletopGame/{{Eberron}} are essentially what happens when [[Franchise/StarTrek Klingons]], [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Mongols]], and [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar the Vietcong]] are given a scimitar and let rip. The literal worst insult in their culture is accusing someone of disgracing the blood of his ancestors - -- and if you say this to one, ''he will gleefully cut you in half''.



** The Redguards, a [[ScaryBlackMan dark-skinned]] race of [[HumansAreWarriors Men]] with [[CultureChopSuey a cultural mix]] of [[ArabianNightsDays Moors, Arabs]], and ''[[EverythingsBetterWithSamurai Samurai]]'', make for some of the greatest warriors in Tamriel, and are perhaps ''the'' most skilled individual warriors. [[MasterSwordsman Swords and swordsmanship]] hold a high value in Redguard culture, to the point where the most SacredScripture of their race is a treatise on ''sword techniques''. Their greatest ancient warriors, known as the [[TheOrder Ansei or "Sword Saints"]], could [[SpontaneousWeaponCreation summon swords made from their very souls, known as Shehai]], and the greatest of those could use a FantasticNuke known as the "Pankratosword," in which they would use their swords to "cut the atomos." In the late 2nd Era, it was believed that a Redguard uprising was the greatest threat to [[FounderOfTheKingdom Tiber Septim]]'s RisingEmpire. Come the 4th Era, they are once again considered one of the only groups who could stand up to a full-blown [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri Dominion]] assault, something they have already repelled once after the VestigialEmpire ceded much of Hammerfell to the Dominion and the Redguards refused to accept it.

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** The Redguards, a [[ScaryBlackMan dark-skinned]] race of [[HumansAreWarriors Men]] with [[CultureChopSuey a cultural mix]] of [[ArabianNightsDays Moors, Arabs]], and ''[[EverythingsBetterWithSamurai Samurai]]'', make for some of the greatest warriors in Tamriel, and are perhaps ''the'' most skilled individual warriors. [[MasterSwordsman Swords and swordsmanship]] hold a high value in Redguard culture, to the point where the most SacredScripture of their race is a treatise on ''sword techniques''. Their greatest ancient warriors, known as the [[TheOrder Ansei or "Sword Saints"]], could [[SpontaneousWeaponCreation summon swords made from their very souls, known as Shehai]], and the greatest of those could use a FantasticNuke known as the "Pankratosword," "Pankratosword", in which they would use their swords to "cut the atomos." In the late 2nd Era, it was believed that a Redguard uprising was the greatest threat to [[FounderOfTheKingdom Tiber Septim]]'s RisingEmpire. Come the 4th Era, they are once again considered one of the only groups who could stand up to a full-blown [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri Dominion]] assault, something they have already repelled once after the VestigialEmpire ceded much of Hammerfell to the Dominion and the Redguards refused to accept it.



* One of the few things established about Samus Aran from ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'' is that she's a Proud Warrior Race Girl - raised by the Chozo, her constant pursuit of battle is in memory of their warrior tradition... it's a pity most of the ''actual'' Chozo abandoned this for scientific and philosophical pursuits, or [[{{Precursors}} the Chozo might still be around.]]

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* One of the few things established about Samus Aran from ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'' is that she's a Proud Warrior Race Girl - -- raised by the Chozo, her constant pursuit of battle is in memory of their warrior tradition... it's a pity most of the ''actual'' Chozo abandoned this for scientific and philosophical pursuits, or [[{{Precursors}} the Chozo might still be around.]]



** The Krogan are actually a rather brilliant {{deconstruction}} of the trope. They place very little emphasis on research or industry if it doesn't have to directly do with fighting, and likewise, there are very few merchants in their society. Because of their complete lack of aptitude for anything other than war after they were uplifted, the Krogan once threatened to conquer the galaxy, causing the other races to ally against them, and eventually they had a DepopulationBomb used on them that sharply limited their birth rate. Unfortunately, the Krogan warrior culture did not go quietly into the night. Though they would still be able to hold a stable population if they tried, none of them want to stay at home and help rebuild their race - instead, they've become a race of {{Death Seeker}}s who hire themselves out as mercenaries, dooming their race to a slow extinction. It is even highlighted in the Codex: Krogan live with the mantra: "kill, pillage, and be selfish, for tomorrow we die". It's a great example of how a purely warrior culture with no room for any other societal roles would have serious trouble surviving.

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** The Krogan are actually a rather brilliant {{deconstruction}} of the trope. They place very little emphasis on research or industry if it doesn't have to directly do with fighting, and likewise, there are very few merchants in their society. Because of their complete lack of aptitude for anything other than war after they were uplifted, the Krogan once threatened to conquer the galaxy, causing the other races to ally against them, and eventually they had a DepopulationBomb used on them that sharply limited their birth rate. Unfortunately, the Krogan warrior culture did not go quietly into the night. Though they would still be able to hold a stable population if they tried, none of them want to stay at home and help rebuild their race - -- instead, they've become a race of {{Death Seeker}}s who hire themselves out as mercenaries, dooming their race to a slow extinction. It is even highlighted in the Codex: Krogan live with the mantra: "kill, pillage, and be selfish, for tomorrow we die". It's a great example of how a purely warrior culture with no room for any other societal roles would have serious trouble surviving.



* The Tarka in ''VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars'' are both a stellar example and a shining subversion of this trope: They are warlike and view war as a method for gaining status and glory, but they are also a race of [[CombatPragmatist pragmatics]] with a very practical outlook who consider fighting 'honorably' and 'fair', and the concept of the HeroicSacrifice, to be very odd at best. [[AllThereInTheManual In one of the universe's backstories]], a human gains a Tarka's respect after he challenges her to a fist-fight and wins by leading her into an ambush by all his friends, who pelt her with sling stones -- by thinking outside the box, he proved himself a warrior in her eyes. However, they do have a highly developed sense of honour in society - a better way of putting this would be a Proud Warrior Race whose 'honour concept' [[BlueAndOrangeMorality is very different from that of humans]], who the Tarka consider to have a MartyrdomCulture.

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* The Tarka in ''VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars'' are both a stellar example and a shining subversion of this trope: They are warlike and view war as a method for gaining status and glory, but they are also a race of [[CombatPragmatist pragmatics]] with a very practical outlook who consider fighting 'honorably' and 'fair', and the concept of the HeroicSacrifice, to be very odd at best. [[AllThereInTheManual In one of the universe's backstories]], a human gains a Tarka's respect after he challenges her to a fist-fight and wins by leading her into an ambush by all his friends, who pelt her with sling stones -- by thinking outside the box, he proved himself a warrior in her eyes. However, they do have a highly developed sense of honour in society - -- a better way of putting this would be a Proud Warrior Race whose 'honour concept' [[BlueAndOrangeMorality is very different from that of humans]], who the Tarka consider to have a MartyrdomCulture.



* In ''VideoGame/{{Lusternia}}'', all of the Second Circle Gods are this, and are organized into [[TrueCompanions cadres]] based on total loyalty and common kinship. Those Seconds that ''aren't'' in a cadre, and prefer to hunt alone - like [[ImplacableMan Shikari, the Predator]] -- are regarded as disreputable, or even [[LonersAreFreaks freakish]]. Those mortal races [[PiecesOfGod descended from]] Second Circle Gods also count.

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* In ''VideoGame/{{Lusternia}}'', all of the Second Circle Gods are this, and are organized into [[TrueCompanions cadres]] based on total loyalty and common kinship. Those Seconds that ''aren't'' in a cadre, and prefer to hunt alone - -- like [[ImplacableMan Shikari, the Predator]] -- are regarded as disreputable, or even [[LonersAreFreaks freakish]]. Those mortal races [[PiecesOfGod descended from]] Second Circle Gods also count.



---> '''Carth''': I'm not a warrior, I'm a soldier. There's a difference. Warriors attack and conquer, they prey on the weak. [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Soldiers defend and protect the innocent]] - [[TakeThat mostly from warriors.]]

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---> '''Carth''': I'm not a warrior, I'm a soldier. There's a difference. Warriors attack and conquer, they prey on the weak. [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Soldiers defend and protect the innocent]] - -- [[TakeThat mostly from warriors.]]



** Warrior caste Dwarves can also fall into this, although it's [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]] with Oghren - when the Warden first meets him, he's an ornery drunk who killed someone due to his ingrained combat responses, and since that led to him being forbidden to carry weapons or fight, he's basically moved to the nearest tavern on a permanent basis. By the time of ''Awakening'' he leaves his second wife and their child to join the Grey Wardens, because he's not suited to live in society; all he's good at is killing.

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** Warrior caste Dwarves can also fall into this, although it's [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]] with Oghren - -- when the Warden first meets him, he's an ornery drunk who killed someone due to his ingrained combat responses, and since that led to him being forbidden to carry weapons or fight, he's basically moved to the nearest tavern on a permanent basis. By the time of ''Awakening'' he leaves his second wife and their child to join the Grey Wardens, because he's not suited to live in society; all he's good at is killing.



* ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' presents the Breen as a Proud Soldier Race. In episode "Breen Invasion", mission "Cold Comfort" a captured Breen CombatMedic mentions that "there is a nobility to being a soldier," and that among their beliefs is that while soldiers on all sides enter into an unspoken agreement to risk their lives, civilians are not part of this unspoken agreement and therefore purposefully attacking them, as the Breen had prior to the mission under orders from Thot Trel, is dishonorable.

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* ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' presents the Breen as a Proud Soldier Race. In episode "Breen Invasion", mission "Cold Comfort" a captured Breen CombatMedic mentions that "there is a nobility to being a soldier," soldier", and that among their beliefs is that while soldiers on all sides enter into an unspoken agreement to risk their lives, civilians are not part of this unspoken agreement and therefore purposefully attacking them, as the Breen had prior to the mission under orders from Thot Trel, is dishonorable.



* Supposedly the Trolls from ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' - although the only ones important to the story haven't been fielded yet, there isn't really any other word to describe a society in which everyone above a certain age leaves their birth planet and joins the military. Oddly, each and every one of the trolls we see instory is actually a social or societal reject for one reason or another, and the majority of them would probably be culled long before they were ever recruited.

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* Supposedly the Trolls from ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' - -- although the only ones important to the story haven't been fielded yet, there isn't really any other word to describe a society in which everyone above a certain age leaves their birth planet and joins the military. Oddly, each and every one of the trolls we see instory is actually a social or societal reject for one reason or another, and the majority of them would probably be culled long before they were ever recruited.



* The Azatoth in ''Webcomic/{{Terra}}'' have a heavily militaristic culture believing in AsskickingEqualsAuthority, though the exact angle of the trope varies heavily by individual. Main cast member Agrippa Varus focuses on the "Proud," with a strong sense of personal honor and no tolerance for attacking civilians. Apparent BigBad Solus Kalar is an [[FantasticRacism Azatoth-supremacist]] WellIntentionedExtremist advocating the use of biological warfare against humanity. His underling Catella Myrha is pretty much just a [[BloodKnight fight-happy bitch]].

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* The Azatoth in ''Webcomic/{{Terra}}'' have a heavily militaristic culture believing in AsskickingEqualsAuthority, though the exact angle of the trope varies heavily by individual. Main cast member Agrippa Varus focuses on the "Proud," "Proud", with a strong sense of personal honor and no tolerance for attacking civilians. Apparent BigBad Solus Kalar is an [[FantasticRacism Azatoth-supremacist]] WellIntentionedExtremist advocating the use of biological warfare against humanity. His underling Catella Myrha is pretty much just a [[BloodKnight fight-happy bitch]].



** In ''Anime/TransformersCybertron,'' the denizes of Jungle Planet are like this. Their leader, Scourge, even owes a little of his design to Dinobot.

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** In ''Anime/TransformersCybertron,'' ''Anime/TransformersCybertron'', the denizes of Jungle Planet are like this. Their leader, Scourge, even owes a little of his design to Dinobot.
7th Apr '18 10:39:19 AM nombretomado
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* Werewolves in ''WorldOfDarkness''. Both ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse'' and ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheForsaken'' present Glory and Honor as forms of renown and rank in werewolf society, and the Garou of ''Werewolf: the Apocalypse'' are explicitly defined as "the warriors of [[GaiasVengeance Gaia]]." The Get of Fenris (from ''Apocalypse'') and the Blood Talons (from ''Forsaken'') are probably the purest embodiment of this trope, though.

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* Werewolves in ''WorldOfDarkness''.''Franchise/TheWorldOfDarkness''. Both ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse'' and ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheForsaken'' present Glory and Honor as forms of renown and rank in werewolf society, and the Garou of ''Werewolf: the Apocalypse'' are explicitly defined as "the warriors of [[GaiasVengeance Gaia]]." The Get of Fenris (from ''Apocalypse'') and the Blood Talons (from ''Forsaken'') are probably the purest embodiment of this trope, though.
19th Mar '18 5:21:34 PM nombretomado
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* Kratos from ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'', who loves doing things "For the glory of Sparta!" His wife denies this, stating: "Sparta? You did this for yourself." In fact, most depictions of Sparta (such as ''[[ThreeHundred 300]]'') tend to have them (at least their ruling class, the Spartiates) as a city-state of proud warrior guys. Ancient Sparta itself may have been a real-life version of the trope, along with many other warrior cultures of history.

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* Kratos from ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'', who loves doing things "For the glory of Sparta!" His wife denies this, stating: "Sparta? You did this for yourself." In fact, most depictions of Sparta (such as ''[[ThreeHundred 300]]'') ''Film/ThreeHundred'') tend to have them (at least their ruling class, the Spartiates) as a city-state of proud warrior guys. Ancient Sparta itself may have been a real-life version of the trope, along with many other warrior cultures of history.
16th Mar '18 6:52:47 PM Dere
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* Knuckles The Echidna from the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' series takes great pride in his heritage of the echidna race in Angel Island and takes his job in guarding the Master Emerald very seriously. He also likes fighting, which is no wonder he uses his fists more than his intellect to solve his problems. In ''VideoGame/SonicForces'', he resents not being able to get directly involved in the fighting as a result of serving as [[RebelLeader the resistance's commander]].

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* Knuckles The Echidna from the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' series takes great pride in his heritage of the echidna race in Angel Island and takes his job in guarding the Master Emerald very seriously. He also likes fighting, which is no wonder he uses his fists more than his intellect to solve his problems. In ''VideoGame/SonicForces'', he resents laments not being able to get directly involved in the fighting as a result of serving as [[RebelLeader the resistance's Resistance's commander]].
13th Mar '18 10:14:02 PM Ryulong
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* Technically, the Pillar Men in Part Two of ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' are a proud warrior race of [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]], but in practice only Wham counts. (Santana is mindlessly destructive, ACDC is a {{Jerkass}} showoff, and Cars is power-mad.)

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* Technically, the Pillar Men in Part Two of ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureBattleTendency'' are a proud warrior race of [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]], but in practice only Wham counts. (Santana Wamuu counts; Santana is mindlessly destructive, ACDC Esidisi is a {{Jerkass}} showoff, and Cars Kars is power-mad.)
1st Mar '18 9:37:07 AM Dere
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* Knuckles The Echidna from the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' series takes great pride in his heritage of the echidna race in Angel Island and takes his job in guarding the Master Emerald very seriously. He also likes fighting, which is no wonder he uses his fists more than his intellect to solve his problems.

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* Knuckles The Echidna from the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' series takes great pride in his heritage of the echidna race in Angel Island and takes his job in guarding the Master Emerald very seriously. He also likes fighting, which is no wonder he uses his fists more than his intellect to solve his problems. In ''VideoGame/SonicForces'', he resents not being able to get directly involved in the fighting as a result of serving as [[RebelLeader the resistance's commander]].
28th Jan '18 7:01:44 AM Beansidhe
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* In ''Literature/UpliftSaga'', species that can make great warriors are highly prized as candidates for uplifting, and those that don't are often heavily modified (as is the case with Jorfur, for example), and a hundred thousand years of war are bound to shape cultures irreversibly. Warrior races seem to be some of the worst to have as patrons as they're as ruthless to their clients as to their targets, and in general are quite unpleasant, no matter whether they're the honor-bound or ruthless savage type, with some of them, like the genocidal Tandu, being humanity's worst enemies. Interestingly, humans themselves, being the sole well-known "wolfling" race (ones that evolved civilization and sapience on their own rather than being uplifted) are viewed as this by many, and really enjoy playing up their perceived savagery in diplomacy and in combat.
23rd Jan '18 9:12:12 AM Derkhan
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** The Seguleh challenge everyone who they perceive to be a strong fighter. To rise in their society they have to challenge people who are stronger than them. If they win, they will then take that person's place. Indivitual rank is indicated by the number of marks on their masks; the fewer marks, the higher the rank.

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** The Seguleh challenge everyone who whom they perceive to be a strong fighter. To rise in their society they have to challenge people who are stronger than them. If they win, they will then take that person's place. Indivitual rank is indicated by the number of marks on their masks; the fewer marks, the higher the rank.
25th Dec '17 9:56:16 PM Fireblood
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* ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity'': The desert plainsmen of Ki'kartha. They've become more understanding and less hostile in recent years, in the sense that they now arrest trespassers in their land and hand them over to nearby civilized authorities rather than casually kill them as soon as they're found.
23rd Dec '17 6:08:34 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'': The Rohirrim are a society of horse-breeders resembling a group of land-bound Vikings. Faramir points out that, while they are brave and loyal, they also love war as an end of itself, and laments that his own people, the Gondorans, have grown more like them after long association and alliance.

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* ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'': The Rohirrim are a society of horse-breeders resembling a group of land-bound Vikings. and cavalrymen inspired by the Anglo-Saxons. Faramir points out that, that while they are brave and loyal, they also love war as an end of itself, and laments that his own people, the Gondorans, Gondorians, have grown more like them after long association and alliance.
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