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23rd Jan '17 3:09:27 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Wrestling/HulkHogan gouged eyes, pulled hair, choked on the ropes and such as much as anyone on top on being an incredibly SoreLoser, the Wrestling/WorldWrestlingFederation always portrayed Wrestling/HulkHogan as a squeaky clean AllAmericanFace. Wrestling/WorldChampionshipWrestling followed suit when he jumped ship, but the fans turned on him there until he finally turned on them and started the Wrestling/NewWorldOrder, most notably running up against foes such as Wrestling/{{Sting}}, Wrestling/DiamondDallasPage, Wrestling/{{Goldberg}}, and internal bickering with Wrestling/KevinNash and the [[Wrestling/ScottHall Wo]][[Wrestling/SeanWaltman lf]][[Wrestling/RandySavage p]][[Wrestling/{{Konnan}} a]][[Wrestling/LexLuger c]]—all of whom were universally treated as faces when they fought against Hogan and his pals. Years later, when Sting and Luger turned heel on Hogan to screw him out of the WCW title a few months after the group's disbandment and his return to being face, fans cheered Sting as though he were still the face even though a vignette tried to portray him as the most evil mastermind in WCW history.
* Wrestling/TheBigShow once got disqualified for pulling Wrestling/JohnCena out of the ring during a tag team match also involving Wrestling/ChrisJericho and Wrestling/RandyOrton. Wrestling/{{Kane}} once got disqualified ''for giving John Cena a big boot''. At some point the rules of wrestling as far as WWE is concerned became "It is illegal to try and stop John Cena from winning a match."

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* Wrestling/HulkHogan gouged eyes, pulled hair, choked on the ropes and such as much as anyone on top on of being an incredibly SoreLoser, SoreLoser yet the Wrestling/WorldWrestlingFederation always portrayed Wrestling/HulkHogan as a squeaky clean AllAmericanFace. Wrestling/WorldChampionshipWrestling followed suit when he jumped ship, but [[XPacHeat the fans turned turned]] on him there [[DefiedTrope there]] until he finally [[FaceHeelTurn turned on them them]] and started the Wrestling/NewWorldOrder, most notably running up against foes such as Wrestling/{{Sting}}, Wrestling/DiamondDallasPage, Wrestling/{{Goldberg}}, and internal bickering with Wrestling/KevinNash and the [[Wrestling/ScottHall Wo]][[Wrestling/SeanWaltman lf]][[Wrestling/RandySavage p]][[Wrestling/{{Konnan}} a]][[Wrestling/LexLuger c]]—all of whom were universally treated as faces when they fought against Hogan and his pals. Years later, when Sting and Luger turned heel on Hogan to screw him out of the WCW title a few months after the group's disbandment and his return [[HeelFaceTurn to being face, face]], fans cheered Sting as though he were still the face even though a vignette tried to portray him as the most evil mastermind in WCW history.
* Wrestling/TheBigShow once got disqualified for pulling Wrestling/JohnCena out of the ring during a tag team {{tag team}} match also involving Wrestling/ChrisJericho and Wrestling/RandyOrton. Wrestling/{{Kane}} once got disqualified ''for giving John Cena a big boot''. At some point the rules of wrestling as far as WWE is concerned became "It is illegal to try and stop John Cena from winning a match."



** Wrestling/RomanReigns' entire singles career began this way, with him getting into a #1 contender's match for the WWE Title by poisoning his bosses' coffees and leaving their put-upon underling, Vickie Guerrero, an essentially innocent woman in the whole situation, to take the fall for it. Even worse, Reigns' bosses didn't even acknowledge his fault in the whole thing even though his spiking the coffees was caught on camera, and they instead opted to punish Vickie. So in WWE's kayfabe, Roman Reigns got an innocent woman fired for his own benefit and wasn't punished for it in any way aside from not winning the title. Sure, Wrestling/StephanieMcMahon's used the same tactic herself years ago to help Wrestling/{{Vince|McMahon}} and Wrestling/{{Shane|McMahon}} get the jump on her husband's [[Wrestling/ShawnMichaels best friend]], but considering she's that ruthless, you would think she'd also be ruthless enough to, y'know, ''selectively forget that and punish Roman Reigns somehow'' in order to separate the difference between the two.
** As noted above, Wrestling/JohnCena runs into this ''a lot''. Over the course of nearly a decade and a half, Cena has piled up quite a list, which includes but is not limited to: hitting {{Wrestling/Batista}} with an Attitude Adjustment off the roof of a car and through a hole in the stage, after Batista begged him not to; viciously attacking Wrestling/{{Rusev|AndLana}} outside of any match, putting him in a submission hold and making him tap out ''and pass out'' just to get him and Lana to agree to a match at Wrestling/WrestleMania 31, when doing something very similar to {{Wrestling/Edge}} was meant to be considered Wrestling/SethRollins' MoralEventHorizon; and challenging a worn-out Wrestling/ReyMysterio to a match for the WWE title on the same night Rey won it for the first and only time in his career (notable especially because Rey might be even more of a "perpetual face" than Cena), when both before and since this event Cena would often be first in line to take moral umbrage with anyone using Money in the Bank advantageously to become champion. This is one of the biggest criticisms of Cena, as he is shown doing things like this frequently, but it is almost never acknowledged and even then only by heels who are meant to be wrong.
* The Wrestling/RingOfHonor\Wrestling/CombatZoneWrestling feud was instigated by Wrestling/ChrisHero complaining about a CZW show being moved from the evening up to the afternoon because a venue showed preference to ROH. After Jimmy Bowers insulted Hero during an ROH title match granted to him by Wrestling/BryanDanielson in an effort to silence Hero and Necro Butcher, he "[[OpenSecret revealed]]" Bowers as ROH booker Gabe Sapolsky and vowed to destroy his company over it. CZW owner John Zandig liked this idea enough to personally lead the CZW locker room against ROH's, using the nation wide banned weed whacker after the first mass assault failed and taking a hand in the torture of ROH wrestler BJ Whitmer. The angle played across both promotions, sometimes both of them having joint shows in the same building with the CZW fans cheering every CZW talent despite their [[DisproportionateRetribution petty and disproportionate]] actions, except for Wrestling/KevinSteen, the only CZW wrestler [[WhatTheHellHero pointing out]] CZW was being petty and disproportionate, [[DefectorFromDecadence begging ROH to take him]] and booing every ROH one except Wrestling/ClaudioCastagnoli, who was a [[TheMole mole]] within ROH the locker room.

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** Wrestling/RomanReigns' entire singles career began this way, with him getting into a #1 contender's match for the WWE Title by poisoning his bosses' coffees and leaving their put-upon underling, Vickie Guerrero, Wrestling/VickieGuerrero, an essentially innocent woman in the whole situation, to take the fall for it. Even worse, Reigns' bosses didn't even acknowledge his fault in the whole thing even though his spiking the coffees was caught on camera, and they instead opted to punish Vickie. So in WWE's kayfabe, Roman Reigns got an innocent woman fired for his own benefit and wasn't punished for it in any way aside from not winning the title. Sure, Wrestling/StephanieMcMahon's used the same tactic herself years ago to help Wrestling/{{Vince|McMahon}} and Wrestling/{{Shane|McMahon}} get the jump on her husband's [[Wrestling/ShawnMichaels best friend]], but considering she's that ruthless, you would think she'd also be ruthless enough to, y'know, ''selectively forget that and punish Roman Reigns somehow'' in order to separate the difference between the two.
** As noted above, Wrestling/JohnCena runs into this ''a lot''. Over the course of nearly a decade and a half, Cena has piled up quite a list, which includes but is not limited to: hitting {{Wrestling/Batista}} with an [[FinishingMove Attitude Adjustment Adjustment]] off the roof of a car and through a hole in the stage, after Batista begged him not to; viciously attacking Wrestling/{{Rusev|AndLana}} outside of any match, putting him in a submission hold and making him tap out ''and pass out'' just to get him and Lana to agree to a match at Wrestling/WrestleMania 31, when doing something very similar to {{Wrestling/Edge}} was meant to be considered Wrestling/SethRollins' MoralEventHorizon; and challenging a worn-out Wrestling/ReyMysterio to a match for the WWE title on the same night Rey won it for the first and only time in his career (notable especially because Rey might be even more of a "perpetual face" than Cena), when both before and since this event Cena would often be first in line to take moral umbrage with anyone using Money in the Bank advantageously to become champion. This is one of the biggest criticisms of Cena, as he is shown doing things like this frequently, but it is almost never acknowledged and even then only by heels who are meant to be wrong.
* The Wrestling/RingOfHonor\Wrestling/CombatZoneWrestling feud was instigated by Wrestling/ChrisHero complaining about a CZW show being moved from the evening up to the afternoon because a venue showed preference to ROH. After Jimmy Bowers insulted Hero during an ROH title match granted to him by Wrestling/BryanDanielson in an effort to silence Hero and Necro Butcher, he Hero "[[OpenSecret revealed]]" Bowers as ROH booker Gabe Sapolsky and vowed to destroy his company over it. CZW owner John Zandig liked this idea enough to personally lead the CZW locker room against ROH's, using the a weed whacker, which were banned from ''all'' sporting events nation wide banned weed whacker wide, after the CZW locker room's first mass assault on ROH failed and taking a hand in the torture of ROH wrestler BJ Whitmer. The angle played across both promotions, sometimes both of them having joint shows in the same building building(which were agreed upon well before Hero instigated open conflict) with the CZW fans cheering every CZW talent despite their [[DisproportionateRetribution petty and disproportionate]] actions, except for Wrestling/KevinSteen, the only CZW wrestler [[WhatTheHellHero pointing out]] CZW was wrestlers and ownership were being petty and disproportionate, [[DefectorFromDecadence begging ROH to take him]] him]], and booing every ROH one everyone associated with ROH, who were mainly trying to defend themselves or their property except when they were trying to avenge the people already hurt or property already destroyed by CZW, booed them all except Wrestling/ClaudioCastagnoli, who was a [[TheMole mole]] within ROH the locker room.
21st Jan '17 8:22:41 AM Rhodes7
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* ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'' tells the story of brave patriots seceding from the US in the face of PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad, to preserve traditional Christian values. In the course of this they; seize federal land to sell to foreign developers, kidnap, torture, make liberal use of hostages and human shields, threaten the families of servicemen who fight against them, execute captured soldiers ''en masse'', assist a foreign invasion of the US, bomb their own allies, nuke an ally's city, threaten nuclear war with China, violently purge ideologically unreliable academics, and more. These are, at worst, the [[IDidWhatIHadToDo strictly necessary]] actions of a reasonable figure, more often, outright celebrated. Unlike the federal opposition. When the heroes take pilots and their families hostage to deter bombing, it's a clever outside-the-box tactic, when the Feds assassinate a Confederate leader, it's a vile crime. When good Christians are sold into slavery in the Middle East, no effort or expense can be spared in securing their return home, when defeated feminists are sold into sexual slavery in the Middle East, it's only their just comeuppance and a chance to show them what ''real'' patriarchal oppression looks like.
18th Jan '17 7:23:07 AM Az_Tech341
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* In ''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown'', when Wuya uses a Wu that she didn't wager, the monks and the narrative treats as if she cheated, yet previously when Omi challenged Dojo to a Showdown, he use two Wu's that he didn't wager and the narrative treated it as a good thing.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown'', when Wuya uses a Wu that she didn't wager, the monks and the narrative treats treat her as if she cheated, yet previously a cheater, yet, previously, when Omi challenged Dojo to a Showdown, he use used two Wu's that he didn't wager wager, and the narrative treated it as a good thing.him like he did something acceptable.
17th Jan '17 7:09:12 PM Loekman3
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* In ''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown'', when Wuya uses a Wu that she didn't wager, the monks and the narrative treats as if she cheated, yet previously when Omi challenged Dojo to a Showdown, he use two Wu's that he didn't wager and the narrative treated it as a good thing.
12th Jan '17 5:07:40 AM Iku
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* ''{{VideoGame/Undertale}}'' flat-out ''inverts'' this. The game's moral about how violence and killing are wrong is ''never'' applied to the monsters themselves, to the point where 90% of the game's plot is the game making up excuses for why it's fine for the monsters to try to murder an innocent child and the game's revelation about monsters murdering humans by accident is meant solely to make the player sympathize for ''the monsters''.

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* ''{{VideoGame/Undertale}}'' flat-out ''inverts'' this. The game's moral about how violence and killing are wrong is ''never'' applied to a massive subversion of this trope. If you kill anyone, including common monsters, you will be called out on it. You have killed that ice drake in a random encounter near the monsters themselves, to beginning of the game? Meet his parent near the end. To drive the point where 90% home, one of the game's plot is characters lampshades it.
-->'''Alphys''': ''Watching someone on a screen really makes you root for them''.
** In a way [[spoiler: No Mercy run aside]],
the game making up excuses for why it's fine for the is at its worst if you kill common monsters to try to murder an innocent child and but spare the game's revelation about monsters murdering humans by accident major characters because they matter to you personally, Flowey calls you out on killing others but sparing Toriel when, in his own words, they could have been to someone else what Toriel is meant solely to make you. [[spoiler: It also puts you on the player sympathize fast track for ''the monsters''.the worst of the neutral endings.]]
12th Jan '17 4:07:23 AM Whifflewaffle
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* ''{{VideoGame/Undertale}}'' is a massive subversion of this trope. If you kill anyone, including common monsters, you will be called out on it. You have killed that ice drake in a random encounter near the beginning of the game? Meet his parent near the end. To drive the point home, one of the characters lampshades it.
-->'''Alphys''': ''Watching someone on a screen really makes you root for them''.
** In a way [[spoiler: No Mercy run aside]], the game is at its worst if you kill common monsters but spare the major characters because they matter to you personally, Flowey calls you out on killing others but sparing Toriel when, in his own words, they could have been to someone else what Toriel is to you. [[spoiler: It also puts you on the fast track for the worst of the neutral endings.]]

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* ''{{VideoGame/Undertale}}'' flat-out ''inverts'' this. The game's moral about how violence and killing are wrong is a massive subversion of this trope. If you kill anyone, including common monsters, you will be called out on it. You have killed that ice drake in a random encounter near ''never'' applied to the beginning of the game? Meet his parent near the end. To drive monsters themselves, to the point home, one where 90% of the characters lampshades it.
-->'''Alphys''': ''Watching someone on a screen really makes you root for them''.
** In a way [[spoiler: No Mercy run aside]],
game's plot is the game is at its worst if you kill common making up excuses for why it's fine for the monsters but spare to try to murder an innocent child and the major characters because they matter game's revelation about monsters murdering humans by accident is meant solely to you personally, Flowey calls you out on killing others but sparing Toriel when, in his own words, they could have been to someone else what Toriel is to you. [[spoiler: It also puts you on make the fast track player sympathize for the worst of the neutral endings.]]''the monsters''.
1st Jan '17 4:11:59 PM MagBas
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* One advert for ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog''-themed ice cream bars has Sonic and Tails [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNRmP5WIKrc torturing Dr. Robotnik with electricity]]. The advertisement expects its audience to be familiar with [[WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM this incarnation]] of Robotnik, who is far more evil than in other adaptations, and thus more of a HateSink, but when would Sonic ever resort to ColdBloodedTorture?!? The {{pun}}-laden warning at the beginning of the advert may have been a more sincere than it was intended to be.
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1st Jan '17 3:12:50 PM BlackBaroness
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* One advert for ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog''-themed ice cream bars has Sonic and Tails [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNRmP5WIKrc torturing Dr. Robotnik with electricity]]. The advertisement expects its audience to be familiar with [[WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM this incarnation]] of Robotnik, who is far more evil than in other adaptations, and thus more of a HateSink, but when would Sonic ever resort to ColdBloodedTorture?!? The {{pun}}-laden trigger warning at the beginning may have been a more sincere than it was intended to be.

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* One advert for ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog''-themed ice cream bars has Sonic and Tails [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNRmP5WIKrc torturing Dr. Robotnik with electricity]]. The advertisement expects its audience to be familiar with [[WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM this incarnation]] of Robotnik, who is far more evil than in other adaptations, and thus more of a HateSink, but when would Sonic ever resort to ColdBloodedTorture?!? The {{pun}}-laden trigger warning at the beginning of the advert may have been a more sincere than it was intended to be.
1st Jan '17 3:10:31 PM BlackBaroness
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* One advert for ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog''-themed ice cream bars has Sonic and Tails [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNRmP5WIKrc torturing Dr. Robotnik with electricity]]. The advertisement expects its audience to be familiar with [[WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM this incarnation]] of Robotnik, who is far more evil than in other adaptations, and thus more of a HateSink, but when would Sonic ever resort to ColdBloodedTorture?!? The {{pun}}-laden {{Trigger}} warning at the beginning may have been a more sincere than it was intended to be.

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* One advert for ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog''-themed ice cream bars has Sonic and Tails [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNRmP5WIKrc torturing Dr. Robotnik with electricity]]. The advertisement expects its audience to be familiar with [[WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM this incarnation]] of Robotnik, who is far more evil than in other adaptations, and thus more of a HateSink, but when would Sonic ever resort to ColdBloodedTorture?!? The {{pun}}-laden {{Trigger}} trigger warning at the beginning may have been a more sincere than it was intended to be.
1st Jan '17 3:09:25 PM BlackBaroness
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[[folder:Advertising]]
* One advert for ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog''-themed ice cream bars has Sonic and Tails [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNRmP5WIKrc torturing Dr. Robotnik with electricity]]. The advertisement expects its audience to be familiar with [[WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM this incarnation]] of Robotnik, who is far more evil than in other adaptations, and thus more of a HateSink, but when would Sonic ever resort to ColdBloodedTorture?!? The {{pun}}-laden {{Trigger}} warning at the beginning may have been a more sincere than it was intended to be.
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[[folder:Advertising]]
* One advert for ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog''-themed ice cream bars has Sonic and Tails [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNRmP5WIKrc torturing Dr. Robotnik with electricity]]. The advertisement expects its audience to be familiar with [[WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM this incarnation]] of Robotnik, who is far more evil than in other adaptations, and thus more of a HateSink, but when would Sonic ever resort to ColdBloodedTorture?!? The {{pun}}-laden {{Trigger}} warning at the beginning may have been a more sincere than it was intended to be.
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