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* ''WesternAnimation/LesSisters'': Wendy and Marine frequently cause problems for the people around them, yet when one of the antagonists does the same things as them, it's treated as despicable. Thirteen-year-old Rachel attacks seven-year-old Marine for humiliating her? Rachel is a horrible person (while Rachel can be pretty bad at times, she wasn't that bad in the episode in question). Thirteen-year-old Wendy attacks seven-year old Loulou and throws paint on her because Loulou humiliated her in public? Loulou apparently deserved it.
13th Apr '18 3:42:05 PM chucknormie
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** Akihiko Kayaba, creator of the eponymous [[TheMostDeadlyVideoGame game]], is responsible for approximately 4,000 deaths and 6,000 more kidnappings for no solid reason at all. But because he viewed Kirito as a WorthyOpponent, granted him a special skill, [[AMillionIsAStatistic never directly harmed the protagonists]][[note]]Even when he did kill Asuna, he brought her BackFromTheDead after being defeated[[/note]], and helped Kirito later on, Kirito considers him worthy of respect. In comparison, Sugou, who is responsible for kidnapping a small fraction of that number, is viewed as ''worse'' than Kayaba because he tried to {{rape|IsASpecialKindOfEvil}} Asuna. While he is unquestionably a psycho that tried to commit a heinous crime, the only thing that makes him worse than the architect of a ''genocide'' in-universe is Kirito's judgement.

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** Akihiko Kayaba, creator of the eponymous [[TheMostDeadlyVideoGame [[TheMostDangerousVideoGame game]], is responsible for approximately 4,000 deaths and 6,000 more kidnappings for no solid reason at all. But because he viewed Kirito as a WorthyOpponent, granted him a special skill, [[AMillionIsAStatistic never directly harmed the protagonists]][[note]]Even when he did kill Asuna, he brought her BackFromTheDead after being defeated[[/note]], and helped Kirito later on, Kirito considers him worthy of respect. In comparison, Sugou, who is responsible for kidnapping a small fraction of that number, is viewed as ''worse'' than Kayaba because he tried to {{rape|IsASpecialKindOfEvil}} Asuna. While he is unquestionably a psycho that tried to commit a heinous crime, the only thing that makes him worse than the architect of a ''genocide'' in-universe is Kirito's judgement.



* Torture, rape, and murder are seen as heinous in-story, and those who commit them are nothing short of monstrous; Kirito himself is shown to suffer from crippling trauma after being forced to kill three people in self-defense, and wonders if he's evil because of it. {{Player Killer}}s who torture and murder, like [[spoiler:Death Gun]] are shown to be complete lunatics, and Sugou's AttemptedRape of Asuna shows that he's evil to the core. When Kirito, after defeating Sugou, turns the pain sensor UpToEleven and hacks him apart so much, it maims him in the real world, he shows no remorse and receives no punishment from the law or the other characters, with neither anyone in-story or the narration suggesting that it was anything less than a noble thing to do. In real life, his RoaringRampageOfRevenge would likely get him slapped with a hefty lawsuit, if not also jail time, as it wouldn't be considered self-defense anymore since Sugou was disarmed and not a threat anymore.

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* ** Torture, rape, and murder are seen as heinous in-story, and those who commit them are nothing short of monstrous; Kirito himself is shown to suffer from crippling trauma after being forced to kill three people in self-defense, and wonders if he's evil because of it. {{Player Killer}}s Player killers who torture and murder, like [[spoiler:Death Gun]] are shown to be complete lunatics, and Sugou's AttemptedRape of Asuna shows that he's evil to the core. When Kirito, after defeating Sugou, turns the pain sensor UpToEleven and hacks him apart so much, it maims him in the real world, he shows no remorse and receives no punishment from the law or the other characters, with neither anyone in-story or the narration suggesting that it was anything less than a noble thing to do. In real life, his RoaringRampageOfRevenge would likely get him slapped with a hefty lawsuit, if not also jail time, as it wouldn't be considered self-defense anymore since Sugou was disarmed and not a threat anymore.
13th Apr '18 3:39:54 PM chucknormie
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* ''LightNovel/BlackBullet'': Tina Sprout is sent to kill Seitenshi, and nearly does before Rentaro manages to stop her. Keep in mind that attempted assassination of what is basically the leader of a nation is an extremely serious crime no matter where in the world you are, but she gets let off the hook by ''Seitenshi herself'' because Rentaro and Enju had befriended her the day before. When the leader of Seitenshi's RoyalGuard, pissed off at her clemency, attempts to take matters into his own hands and execute Tina for her crime, [[{{Fingore}} Rentaro shoots his finger off]] and Seitenshi permanently banishes him from the city. He gets permanently maimed and sentenced to death in all but name just for attempting to uphold the law, you know, ''like his damn job is'', while Tina never faces any sort of punishment for her attempted murder.

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* ''LightNovel/BlackBullet'': Because in the world of this novel series, HumansAreBastards and Cursed Children are always innocent victims, any time a human opposes the protagonists, they are always wrong even if they have good points. For instance, Tina Sprout is sent to kill Seitenshi, and nearly does before Rentaro manages to stop her. Keep in mind that attempted assassination of what is basically the leader of a nation is an extremely serious crime no matter where in the world you are, but she gets let off the hook by ''Seitenshi herself'' because Rentaro and Enju had befriended her the day before. When the leader of Seitenshi's RoyalGuard, pissed off at her clemency, attempts to take matters into his own hands and execute Tina for her crime, [[{{Fingore}} Rentaro shoots his finger off]] and Seitenshi permanently banishes him from the city. He gets permanently maimed and sentenced to death in all but name just for attempting to uphold the law, you know, ''like his damn job is'', while Tina never faces any sort of punishment for her attempted murder.murder.
* ''LightNovel/NoGameNoLife'': Just like the ''Manga/YuGiOh'' example above, any time antagonists cheat in games, they are viewed as a bunch of cowards who weren't strong enough to try to win the right way. When Sora cheats, it's just viewed as intelligently taking advantage of LoopholeAbuse, or justified because the opponents did it first.
* ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'':
** Akihiko Kayaba, creator of the eponymous [[TheMostDeadlyVideoGame game]], is responsible for approximately 4,000 deaths and 6,000 more kidnappings for no solid reason at all. But because he viewed Kirito as a WorthyOpponent, granted him a special skill, [[AMillionIsAStatistic never directly harmed the protagonists]][[note]]Even when he did kill Asuna, he brought her BackFromTheDead after being defeated[[/note]], and helped Kirito later on, Kirito considers him worthy of respect. In comparison, Sugou, who is responsible for kidnapping a small fraction of that number, is viewed as ''worse'' than Kayaba because he tried to {{rape|IsASpecialKindOfEvil}} Asuna. While he is unquestionably a psycho that tried to commit a heinous crime, the only thing that makes him worse than the architect of a ''genocide'' in-universe is Kirito's judgement.
** Asuna's mother Kyoko is seen as a controlling bitch for disapproving of the relationship between her and Kirito, trying to make an ArrangedMarriage for her daughter, and wanting to transfer her out of the SAO Survivors' School. This is disregarding the fact that her daughter has spent years trapped away from the real world, suffered through events that would give anyone severe mental problems, and has made no significant progress in reintegrating into society, as the government's plan for rehabilitating survivors is stated in-universe to be completely ineffective (the school mentioned above is not teaching the students much of anything to prepare them for college or the workforce). As Kirito is just as socially maladjusted as Asuna, nothing suggests to Kyoko that either of them will be able to function in society or provide for each other, so taking steps to try to advance Asuna's rehabilitation or if that fails, marry her to someone who can take care of her, makes sense...but because both of those decisions get in the way of Kirito and Asuna's relationship, they're completely wrong and selfish in-story.
* Torture, rape, and murder are seen as heinous in-story, and those who commit them are nothing short of monstrous; Kirito himself is shown to suffer from crippling trauma after being forced to kill three people in self-defense, and wonders if he's evil because of it. {{Player Killer}}s who torture and murder, like [[spoiler:Death Gun]] are shown to be complete lunatics, and Sugou's AttemptedRape of Asuna shows that he's evil to the core. When Kirito, after defeating Sugou, turns the pain sensor UpToEleven and hacks him apart so much, it maims him in the real world, he shows no remorse and receives no punishment from the law or the other characters, with neither anyone in-story or the narration suggesting that it was anything less than a noble thing to do. In real life, his RoaringRampageOfRevenge would likely get him slapped with a hefty lawsuit, if not also jail time, as it wouldn't be considered self-defense anymore since Sugou was disarmed and not a threat anymore.


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* ''VideoGame/Persona5'' has multiple examples on its own:
** People with power, especially [[AcceptableTargets politicians]], using it to create propaganda lying to the public or making themselves look better is seen as unilaterally wrong and likened to brainwashing. This would be all well and good if the protagonists themselves didn't [[HeelFaceBrainwashing literally use their powers to brainwash people]].
** The thing that makes all the antagonists bad is their ability to escape the law and justice, via either ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections or ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney. However, the protagonists are not above screwing the rules themselves, going after the antagonists and playing judge, jury, and executioner from a horrifically biased standpoint. But their judgements are always proven to be correct (even when it looks like they target an innocent person, he turns out to be guilty of something else), and anyone who disagrees with the Phantom Thieves' methods or points out that their vigilante justice may have gone too far is either proven wrong and agrees with the them in the end, or is a villain.
13th Apr '18 12:11:36 PM foxmccloud4387
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* This is an in-universe plot point in ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''; the main criteria for a human becoming a Heroic Spirit is they are the hero of their own story. Even if they are truly rotten (like Gilgamesh and [[LightNovel/FateZero Bluebeard]]), if they were a "hero" by that definition their soul is stored in the Throne of Heroes rather than reincarnated. Originally the Grail System was designed to prevent such "Anti-Heroes" from being summoned in any role other than Assassin. After the Third Grail War this restriction was removed due to [[spoiler:the corruption of the Grail by Angra Mainyu]].

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* This is an in-universe plot point in ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''; the main criteria for a human becoming a Heroic Spirit is they are the hero of their own story. Even if they are truly rotten (like Gilgamesh rotten, and [[LightNovel/FateZero Bluebeard]]), thus rightfully remembered as an antagonist in their legend, if they were a "hero" by that definition their soul is stored in the Throne of Heroes rather than reincarnated. Originally the Grail System was designed to prevent such "Anti-Heroes" from being summoned in any role other than Assassin. After the Third Grail War this restriction was removed due to [[spoiler:the corruption of the Grail by Angra Mainyu]].
10th Apr '18 3:25:20 PM chucknormie
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* ''LightNovel/BakaAndTest'':
** The [[FillerVillain delinquent couple]] mock Shouko for her "stupid dream" of becoming Yuuji's bride in the future. Everyone, including Yuuji himself, comes to her defense and gets pissed off at them for how horrible it was for them to say something like that to them (and he decides to beat them up for it as well). The problem is, Shouko daily inflicts violence on Yuuji that stretches well beyond DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale territory into the downright ''criminal''. Apparently, being a torturous, psychotic {{Yandere}} is okay if you're one of the protagonists, but verbally knocking her down a peg is not.
** Kyoji Nemoto getting his hands on Mizuki's love letter and using it to blackmail her in order to get her out of the class battle makes him a cheating scumbag, and the protagonists continue to believe he only did it because he had something personal against her or was a misogynist, even though he makes it clear it had nothing to do with either of those things and was just trying to get her out of the way so his class could win, considering she's basically the only reason why Class F keeps winning so much. The story agrees with them; not only is Nemoto soundly defeated, he's subjected to various humiliations for it which quickly become {{disproportionate|Retribution}}. When Miharu uses a compromising photo to blackmail the two main boys, which gets them ostracized and beat up by the entire female enrollment of the school, nothing bad happens to her, even when she's found out, and her own misandry is never brought up, even though Nemoto is called a misogynist just because the target of his blackmail happened to be a girl.
** The Tokonatsu duo had a very legitimate gripe with Aki and Yuuji; when they ate at class F's cafe during the school festival, Yuuji was completely rude to them, served them [[LethalChef Mizuki's cooking]] despite knowing full well that it wasn't safe for human consumption, and ''beat them up'' when they complained. When they attempt to get one back on the boys for ruining something ''they paid for'', everyone views them as assholes, although at worst they're just being petty, which is no worse than Yuuji seemingly going out of his way just to pick a fight with them.
* ''LightNovel/BlackBullet'': Tina Sprout is sent to kill Seitenshi, and nearly does before Rentaro manages to stop her. Keep in mind that attempted assassination of what is basically the leader of a nation is an extremely serious crime no matter where in the world you are, but she gets let off the hook by ''Seitenshi herself'' because Rentaro and Enju had befriended her the day before. When the leader of Seitenshi's RoyalGuard, pissed off at her clemency, attempts to take matters into his own hands and execute Tina for her crime, [[{{Fingore}} Rentaro shoots his finger off]] and Seitenshi permanently banishes him from the city. He gets permanently maimed and sentenced to death in all but name just for attempting to uphold the law, you know, ''like his damn job is'', while Tina never faces any sort of punishment for her attempted murder.
7th Apr '18 4:56:19 PM ading
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* ''Film/PitchPerfect'': Bumper, the leader of the Treblemakers, is the closest thing the movie has to a villain. The Bellas' leader, Aubrey, is every bit as cruel, arrogant, selfish, and obnoxious as he is, but she's on the same team as the main character and he isn't, so the audience is supposed to root for her.
4th Apr '18 9:39:09 AM Polaris
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* ''Series/NCIS'': Gibbs has done things like assassinate targets on foreign soil ([[RoaringRampageOfRevenge in revenge for his wife and daughter's deaths]]), and arranged for the deaths of criminals he isn't able to prosecute, such as a gang leader with insufficient evidence for trial, where he instead dropped hints with the rest of the gang that the leader was duping them and a news story at the end announces the finding of the leader's body. Note that this is not true of other characters: Gibbs finds Jenny's assassination of the Frog troubling, despite the similar circumstances to his own revenge (though it is implied she may have the incorrect target); Ziva is pulled up more than once by the accusation of going too far with suspects, including one she roughed up whose death may or may not have been a result of that action.

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* ''Series/NCIS'': ''{{Series/NCIS}}'': Gibbs has done things like assassinate targets on foreign soil ([[RoaringRampageOfRevenge in revenge for his wife and daughter's deaths]]), and arranged for the deaths of criminals he isn't able to prosecute, such as a gang leader with insufficient evidence for trial, where he instead dropped hints with the rest of the gang that the leader was duping them and a news story at the end announces the finding of the leader's body. Note that this is not true of other characters: Gibbs finds Jenny's assassination of the Frog troubling, despite the similar circumstances to his own revenge (though it is implied she may have the incorrect target); Ziva is pulled up more than once by the accusation of going too far with suspects, including one she roughed up whose death may or may not have been a result of that action.
4th Apr '18 9:37:25 AM Polaris
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* ''Series/NCIS'': Gibbs has done things like assassinate targets on foreign soil ([[RoaringRampageOfRevenge in revenge for his wife and daughter's deaths]]), and arranged for the deaths of criminals he isn't able to prosecute, such as a gang leader with insufficient evidence for trial, where he instead dropped hints with the rest of the gang that the leader was duping them and a news story at the end announces the finding of the leader's body. Note that this is not true of other characters: Gibbs finds Jenny's assassination of the Frog troubling, despite the similar circumstances to his own revenge (though it is implied she may have the incorrect target); Ziva is pulled up more than once by the accusation of going too far with suspects, including one she roughed up whose death may or may not have been a result of that action.
26th Mar '18 4:58:07 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** One major example is "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E6BoastBusters Boast Busters]]": While Trixie does go overboard with her ego, one of the ponies who calls her out and complains is Rainbow Dash, who's not exactly the picture of modesty and humility herself. Rarity and Applejack didn't cover themselves in glory in that episode either. While they criticized Trixie for her boasting and bombast, they wasted no time trying to show up the stage magician at her own show and get the spotlight on themselves. Fanfic writers didn't miss the hypocrisy.
** In the same episode, Twilight magically zips Spike’s mouth shut. Later in Magic Duel (coincidentally Trixie’s reappearance), Trixie uses a cursor to remove Pinkie’s mouth. Trixie’s act is presented as evil, but not Twilight’s (in Twilight's defense, Trixie left Pinkie like that for a while).
** [[OverlyLongGag In '''that''' same episode,]] Twilight could have given Pinkie Pie her mouth back as soon as the Alicorn Amulet was swiped from Trixie (in fact, Twilight even indicates Pinkie nearby while explaining about the plan), but doesn’t bother doing so until the very end of the episode. The morality of this act of negligence and incompetence is not discussed or elaborated on at all.

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** One major example is "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E6BoastBusters Boast Busters]]": While Trixie does go overboard with her ego, one of the ponies who calls her out and complains is Rainbow Dash, who's not exactly the picture of modesty and humility herself. Rarity and Applejack didn't cover themselves in glory in that episode either. While they criticized Trixie for her boasting and bombast, they wasted no time trying to show up the stage magician at her own show and get the spotlight on themselves. Fanfic writers didn't miss the hypocrisy.
themselves.
** In the same episode, Twilight magically zips Spike’s mouth shut. Later in Magic Duel ''Magic Duel'' (coincidentally Trixie’s reappearance), Trixie uses a cursor to remove Pinkie’s mouth. Trixie’s act is presented as evil, but not Twilight’s (in Twilight's defense, Trixie left Pinkie like that for a while).
** [[OverlyLongGag In '''that''' same episode,]] Twilight could have given Pinkie Pie her
while), nor was Twilight's not bothering to actually restore Pinkie's mouth back as soon as the Alicorn Amulet was swiped from Trixie (in fact, Twilight even indicates Pinkie nearby while explaining about the plan), but doesn’t bother doing so until the very end of ending for the episode. The morality sake of this act of negligence and incompetence is not discussed or elaborated on at all.a gag.
26th Mar '18 4:51:39 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''VideoGame/RatchetAndClankGoingCommando'': MegaCorp basically rules the entire Bogon galaxy. It's products tend to malfunction, often explosively. It runs [[BreadAndCircuses gladiator tournaments]] on public television. They've [[HostileTerraforming hostile terraformed]] at least one planet so that it would be easier to mine it using slave labor. Are they the villains? No, they're the ones who ''hired'' Ratchet! Even once the dust settles and all the plot twists have resolved themselves, the company gets off [[KarmaHoudini scott free]] (unless you count all the bolts [[DestructiveSaviour Ratchet]] [[RewardingVandalism must have cost them]]).
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