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25th Jun '16 5:48:21 PM GreatWyrmGold
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*** This hit its peak when, during the ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom'' crossover, Wolverine calls out Cyke for killing Charles Xavier. Never mind that Cyke was possessed by a cosmic force and killed Xavier in self defense, ''Wolverine kills all the time!'' Cyclops calls him out on the hypocrisy, pointing out that Cyclops has killed one person, while Wolverine has killed ''many''. How does Wolverine respond? "Nobody I've killed matters." That is a direct quote. Note that at the time, Northstar was on his team, a character who, a few years ago, Wolverine had killed while brainwashed, essentially the same circumstances that Cyclops was under when he killed Xavier. No one points this out.

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*** This hit its peak when, during the ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom'' crossover, Wolverine calls out Cyke for killing Charles Xavier. Never mind that Cyke was possessed by a cosmic force and killed Xavier in self defense, ''Wolverine kills all the time!'' Cyclops calls him out on the hypocrisy, pointing out that Cyclops has killed one person, while Wolverine has killed ''many''. How does Wolverine respond? "Nobody I've killed matters." That is a direct quote. Note that at the time, Northstar was on his team, a character who, a few years ago, Wolverine had killed while brainwashed, essentially the same circumstances that Cyclops was under when he killed Xavier. No one points this out.out, not even [[DeathIsCheap Northstar himself]].
24th Jun '16 8:27:54 PM lalalei2001
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** In the early manga Yami Yugi fell into this, with his Penalty Games being portrayed as heroic no matter the outcome. While some were examples of poetic justice, others weren't. The most egregious examples would probably be forcing Kaiba to experience death ''repeatedly'' for stealing a Blue-Eyes card and trying to cheat at a game, and blowing a guy up with nitroglycerin for knocking over Yugi's class's snack stand.
22nd Jun '16 5:17:26 AM starofjusticev21
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** The episode "Secrets of the Guardian Strike Sword" gives multiple examples. 1) At the beginning of the episode Ace is saved from a tight spot by a guy named Deuce. When Zadavia finds out Deuce is around she angrily tells him to get off her planet, but refuses to explain why. Because Deuce saved him before, though, Ace decides to go over Zadavia's head and let him ride along on an important mission. But Deuce turns out to be evil and just trying to win Ace's confidence to steal the titular CoolSword from him, which can revive an army of MechaMooks. After this Zadavia finally explains her behavior: Deuce used to be a general in her army but he was obsessed with gathering glory in battle and had an insatiable desire for power, so she didn't agree to give him absolute control of her military and he deserted. [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot If she'd just said that in the first place]], Deuce probably wouldn't have gotten the sword and the danger would've been avoided, but it's mostly brushed aside with nobody having less faith in her or questioning her judgement later on. 2) Ace then makes getting the sword back his duty, and in the process Deuce sneaks up and jump-kicks him from behind, leading Ace to chew him out over such a dirty trick. As they duel the sword's knocked away from Deuce, and Ace takes advantage of him being distracted trying to summon it back to jump-kick ''him'' from behind, but this time it's okay because the hero did it. On top of that, the fight's supposed to be proof that Ace is "a true warrior" and the one who really deserves the sword. 3) In the wrap-up Ace asks Zadavia when she'll tell him what other powers his sword has, but she replies she'll do it when the time is right because too much knowledge is dangerous. Duck complains that too little knowledge is dangerous too, and as he does an inexplicable energy beam comes from Ace's sword and zaps him. This is treated as funny and something Duck deserves for contradicting Zadavia. Even though he was basically saying that ''knowing how to properly use a dangerous weapon is a good idea''. Not to mention how probably none of this would've happened if not for Zadavia withholding important info for no good reason, yet it turns right around and expects us to take it on faith that when she says it's not the time to discuss this, it's not the time to discuss it.

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** The episode "Secrets of the Guardian Strike Sword" gives multiple examples. 1) At the beginning of the episode Ace is saved from a tight spot by a guy named Deuce. When Zadavia finds out Deuce is around she angrily tells him to get off her planet, but refuses to explain why. Because Deuce saved him before, though, Ace decides to go over Zadavia's head and let him ride along on an important mission. But Deuce turns out to be evil and just trying to win Ace's confidence to steal the titular CoolSword from him, which can revive an army of MechaMooks. After this Zadavia finally explains her behavior: Deuce used to be a general in her army but he was obsessed with gathering glory in battle and had an insatiable desire for power, so she didn't agree to give him absolute control of her military and he deserted. [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot If she'd just said that in the first place]], Deuce probably wouldn't have gotten the sword and the danger would've been avoided, but it's mostly brushed aside with nobody having less faith in her or questioning her judgement later on. 2) Ace then makes getting the sword back his duty, and in the process Deuce sneaks up and jump-kicks him from behind, leading Ace to chew him out over such a dirty trick. As they duel the sword's knocked away from Deuce, and Ace takes advantage of him being distracted trying to summon it back to jump-kick ''him'' from behind, but this time it's okay because the hero did it. On top of that, the fight's supposed to be proof that Ace is "a true warrior" and the one who really deserves the sword. 3) In the wrap-up Ace asks Zadavia when she'll tell him what other powers his sword has, but she replies she'll do it when the time is right because too much knowledge is dangerous. Duck complains that too little knowledge is dangerous too, and as he does an inexplicable energy beam comes from Ace's sword and zaps him. This is treated as funny and something Duck deserves for contradicting Zadavia. Even though he was basically saying that ''knowing how to properly use a dangerous weapon is a good idea''. Not to mention how probably none of this would've happened if not for Zadavia withholding important info for no good reason, yet it the show turns right around and expects us the viewer to take it on faith that when if she says it's not the time to discuss talk about this, then it's not the time to discuss talk about it.
21st Jun '16 4:36:30 AM starofjusticev21
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* This was a consistent problem ''WesternAnimation/LoonaticsUnleashed'' had. Regardless of what was going on or the actual points anyone made, team leaders Zadavia and Ace and Lexi Bunny were always portrayed as right because they were "the heroes." On the other hand Danger Duck could be an egotistical jerk, so he was always wrong and deserved anything he got like, like Lexi giving him a "brain blast" over something like a mild insult. The episode "Secrets of the Guardian Strike Sword" gives multiple examples.
** At the beginning of the episode Ace is saved from a tight spot by a guy named Deuce. When Zadavia finds out Deuce is around she angrily tells him to get off her planet, but refuses to explain why. Because Deuce saved him before, though, Ace decides to go over Zadavia's head and let him ride along on an important mission. But Deuce turns out to be evil and just trying to win Ace's confidence to steal the titular CoolSword from him, which can revive an army of MechaMooks. After this Zadavia finally explains her behavior: Deuce used to be a general in her army but he was obsessed with gathering glory in battle and had an insatiable desire for power, so she didn't agree to give him absolute control of her military and he deserted. [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot If she'd just said that in the first place]], Deuce probably wouldn't have gotten the sword and the danger would've been avoided, but it's mostly brushed aside with nobody having less faith in her or questioning her judgement later on.
** Ace then makes getting the sword back his duty, and in the process Deuce sneaks up and jump-kicks him from behind, leading Ace to chew him out over such a dirty trick. As they duel the sword's knocked away from Deuce, and Ace takes advantage of him being distracted trying to summon it back to jump-kick ''him'' from behind, but this time it's okay because the hero did it. On top of that, the fight's supposed to be proof that Ace is "a true warrior" and the one who really deserves the sword.
** In the wrap-up Ace asks Zadavia when she'll tell him what other powers his sword has, but she replies she'll do it when the time is right because too much knowledge is dangerous. Duck complains that too little knowledge is dangerous too, and as he does an inexplicable energy beam comes from Ace's sword and zaps him. This is treated as funny and something Duck deserves for contradicting Zadavia. Even though he was basically saying that ''knowing how to properly use a dangerous weapon is a good idea'' (Not to mention the episode hinging on how even Zadavia makes mistakes and sometimes has poor reasons for holding out on them).

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* This was a consistent problem ''WesternAnimation/LoonaticsUnleashed'' had. Regardless of what was going on or the actual points anyone made, team leaders Zadavia and Ace and Lexi Bunny were always portrayed as right because they were "the heroes." On the other hand Danger Duck could be an egotistical jerk, so he was always wrong and deserved anything he got like, like Lexi giving him a "brain blast" over something like a mild insult. insult.
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The episode "Secrets of the Guardian Strike Sword" gives multiple examples.
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examples. 1) At the beginning of the episode Ace is saved from a tight spot by a guy named Deuce. When Zadavia finds out Deuce is around she angrily tells him to get off her planet, but refuses to explain why. Because Deuce saved him before, though, Ace decides to go over Zadavia's head and let him ride along on an important mission. But Deuce turns out to be evil and just trying to win Ace's confidence to steal the titular CoolSword from him, which can revive an army of MechaMooks. After this Zadavia finally explains her behavior: Deuce used to be a general in her army but he was obsessed with gathering glory in battle and had an insatiable desire for power, so she didn't agree to give him absolute control of her military and he deserted. [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot If she'd just said that in the first place]], Deuce probably wouldn't have gotten the sword and the danger would've been avoided, but it's mostly brushed aside with nobody having less faith in her or questioning her judgement later on.
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on. 2) Ace then makes getting the sword back his duty, and in the process Deuce sneaks up and jump-kicks him from behind, leading Ace to chew him out over such a dirty trick. As they duel the sword's knocked away from Deuce, and Ace takes advantage of him being distracted trying to summon it back to jump-kick ''him'' from behind, but this time it's okay because the hero did it. On top of that, the fight's supposed to be proof that Ace is "a true warrior" and the one who really deserves the sword.
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sword. 3) In the wrap-up Ace asks Zadavia when she'll tell him what other powers his sword has, but she replies she'll do it when the time is right because too much knowledge is dangerous. Duck complains that too little knowledge is dangerous too, and as he does an inexplicable energy beam comes from Ace's sword and zaps him. This is treated as funny and something Duck deserves for contradicting Zadavia. Even though he was basically saying that ''knowing how to properly use a dangerous weapon is a good idea'' (Not idea''. Not to mention the episode hinging on how even probably none of this would've happened if not for Zadavia makes mistakes withholding important info for no good reason, yet it turns right around and sometimes has poor reasons for holding expects us to take it on faith that when she says it's not the time to discuss this, it's not the time to discuss it.
** In "It Came From Outer Space" Rev and Lexi mess around with one of Tech's inventions that looks like a video game but actually controls some kind of orbital weapon system, and they find out they just fired real missiles at a real alien ship whose owner decides to invade the planet over this unprovoked attack. Eventually the alien warlord's driven off, his weapons destroyed, and Tech starts setting booby traps in his lab to discourage this from happening in the future. But nobody's ever really called
out on them).how by ignoring a simple request from Tech ("don't play with the powerful crime-fighting devices in my lab"), the Loonatics almost got the planet they're supposed to be protecting destroyed, and they're lauded for solving a serious problem they created themselves.
17th Jun '16 6:57:18 AM starofjusticev21
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** Ace then makes getting the sword back his duty, and in the process Deuce sneaks up behind him and jump-kicks him from behind, leading Ace to chew him out over such a dirty trick. As they duel the sword's knocked away from Deuce, and Ace takes advantage of him being distracted trying to summon it back to jump-kick ''him'' from behind, but this time it's okay because the hero did it. On top of that, the fight's supposed to be proof that Ace is "a true warrior" and the one who really deserves the sword.

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** Ace then makes getting the sword back his duty, and in the process Deuce sneaks up behind him and jump-kicks him from behind, leading Ace to chew him out over such a dirty trick. As they duel the sword's knocked away from Deuce, and Ace takes advantage of him being distracted trying to summon it back to jump-kick ''him'' from behind, but this time it's okay because the hero did it. On top of that, the fight's supposed to be proof that Ace is "a true warrior" and the one who really deserves the sword.
17th Jun '16 5:19:08 AM starofjusticev21
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** At the beginning of the episode Ace is saved from a tight spot by a guy named Deuce. When Zadavia finds out Deuce is around she angrily tells him to get off her planet, but refuses to explain why. Because Deuce saved him before, though, Ace decides to go over Zadavia's head and let him ride along on an important mission. But Deuce turns out to be evil and just trying to win Ace's confidence to steal the titular CoolSword from him, which can revive an army of MechaMooks. After this Zadavia finally explains her behavior: Deuce used to be a general in her army but he was obsessed with gathering glory in battle and had an insatiable desire for power, so she didn't agree to give him absolute control of her military and he deserted. [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot If she'd just said that in the first place]], Deuce probably wouldn't have gotten the sword and the danger would've been avoided, but it's brushed off as a tiny mistake anybody could've made.

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** At the beginning of the episode Ace is saved from a tight spot by a guy named Deuce. When Zadavia finds out Deuce is around she angrily tells him to get off her planet, but refuses to explain why. Because Deuce saved him before, though, Ace decides to go over Zadavia's head and let him ride along on an important mission. But Deuce turns out to be evil and just trying to win Ace's confidence to steal the titular CoolSword from him, which can revive an army of MechaMooks. After this Zadavia finally explains her behavior: Deuce used to be a general in her army but he was obsessed with gathering glory in battle and had an insatiable desire for power, so she didn't agree to give him absolute control of her military and he deserted. [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot If she'd just said that in the first place]], Deuce probably wouldn't have gotten the sword and the danger would've been avoided, but it's mostly brushed off as a tiny mistake anybody could've made.aside with nobody having less faith in her or questioning her judgement later on.



** In the wrap-up Ace asks Zadavia when she'll tell him what other powers his sword has, but she replies she'll do it when the time is right because too much knowledge is dangerous. Duck complains that too little knowledge is dangerous too, and as he does an inexplicable energy beam comes from Ace's sword and zaps him. This is treated as funny and something Duck deserves for contradicting Zadavia. Even though he was basically saying that ''knowing how to properly use a dangerous weapon is a good idea'' (Not to mention the episode hinging on how even Zadavia makes mistakes).

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** In the wrap-up Ace asks Zadavia when she'll tell him what other powers his sword has, but she replies she'll do it when the time is right because too much knowledge is dangerous. Duck complains that too little knowledge is dangerous too, and as he does an inexplicable energy beam comes from Ace's sword and zaps him. This is treated as funny and something Duck deserves for contradicting Zadavia. Even though he was basically saying that ''knowing how to properly use a dangerous weapon is a good idea'' (Not to mention the episode hinging on how even Zadavia makes mistakes).mistakes and sometimes has poor reasons for holding out on them).
16th Jun '16 8:00:53 PM BattleMaster
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* Simultaneously averted and played straight with ''Literature/AnitaBlake''. Anita does start sliding down the slippery slope of morality, noting how she's less affected by things as the series goes on, and can do things that morally she would have balked at earlier. However, everything she does is portrayed as the right and correct decision at the time, regardless of the consequences (and some of the things she's done would result in her perfectly legal summary execution).

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* Simultaneously averted and played straight with ''Literature/AnitaBlake''. In the ''Literature/AnitaBlake'' series, Anita does start starts sliding down the slippery slope of morality, morality by the seventh or eighth book, noting how she's less affected by things as the series goes on, and can do things that morally she would have balked at earlier. However, everything she does is portrayed as the right and correct decision at the time, regardless of the consequences (and some of the things she's done would result in her perfectly legal summary execution).execution), and she's quite willing to kill people for committing lesser crimes than she has who had decidedly greater justification than hers. She even set one character up who was supposedly under her protection to be hunted down and murdered simply because he refused to have sex with her. This was presented as the appropriate response to the reader.
16th Jun '16 6:08:57 PM nombretomado
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* Very common of many of the protagonists from UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation. ''[[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes Warner Bros.]]'', ''[[TexAveryMGMCartoons MGM]]'' and other studios were commonly creating protagonists who were selfish, sociopathic jerks who self-righteously whaled on whoever got in their way for some slight against them no matter how minor. The slapstick, suspension of disbelief and occasional charm helped offset the jerkass tendencies.

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* Very common of many of the protagonists from UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation. ''[[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes Warner Bros.]]'', ''[[TexAveryMGMCartoons ''[[WesternAnimation/TexAveryMGMCartoons MGM]]'' and other studios were commonly creating protagonists who were selfish, sociopathic jerks who self-righteously whaled on whoever got in their way for some slight against them no matter how minor. The slapstick, suspension of disbelief and occasional charm helped offset the jerkass tendencies.
15th Jun '16 10:05:42 PM JetpackPercy
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* In the story-presented-as-television ''Comeuppance'', Sian Welby [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement (as portrayed by the author)]] is supposed to be seen as always right, while [[TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong the contestants as always wrong.]] However, at times, it just comes off as whining on her part simply because contestant X [[StrawmanHasAPoint makes valid points]] and the author makes them look worse by playing up their [[DesignatedVillain supposed villainy]], or because they don't merely give her a free pass on anything for being a celebrity (as seen on Chapter 5's introduction):

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* In the story-presented-as-television ''Comeuppance'', ''[[https://tellygunge.wordpress.com/archives/story-archive/by-tellygunge/ Comeuppance]]'', Sian Welby [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement (as portrayed by the author)]] is supposed to be seen as always right, while [[TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong the contestants as always wrong.]] However, at times, it just comes off as whining on her part simply because contestant X [[StrawmanHasAPoint makes valid points]] and the author makes them look worse by playing up their [[DesignatedVillain supposed villainy]], or because they don't merely give her a free pass on anything for being a celebrity (as seen on Chapter 5's introduction):
15th Jun '16 10:03:45 PM JetpackPercy
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* In the story-presented-as-television ''Comeuppance'', Sian Welby [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement (as portrayed by the author)]] is supposed to be seen as always right, while [[TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong the contestants as always wrong.]] However, at times, it just comes off as whining on her part simply because contestant X [[StrawmanHasAPoint makes valid points]] and the author makes them look worse by playing up their [[DesignatedVillain supposed villainy]], or because they don't merely give her a free pass on anything for being a celebrity (as seen on Chapter 5's introduction):
--> '''Karen:''' We donít need excuses, Sian. If we donít like the look of you, youíre not coming in. Simple as that. And thereís no point arguing. Weíre there all night. If you want to stand there making a tit of yourself, thatís your choice.
--> '''Sian:''' [stamps her foot] Uuugghh!! [[InformedWrongness So unreasonable!]]
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