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12th Feb '16 4:52:43 PM Kyle_Reese
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** Oliver's frequent use of torture is given this treatment, with a speech given by "Series/TheFlash" implying that it's okay for him to torture people as long as he doesn't give in to his inner darkness.
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** Oliver's frequent use of torture is given this treatment, with a speech given by "Series/TheFlash" Series/TheFlash implying that it's okay for him to torture people as long as he doesn't give in to his inner darkness.
12th Feb '16 4:51:30 PM Kyle_Reese
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** Ollie chastises Helena for her violent methods, conveniently forgetting that he's killed many, many more people. When she calls him out on this and gives a NotSoDifferent speech, his response is simply "no." After this treatment, Helena conveniently starts acting like an all-out villain and being treated as such by every character. In the next season however he has realized that people do see him as a murderer and he needs to change his ways.
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** Ollie chastises Helena for her violent methods, conveniently forgetting that he's killed many, many more people. When she calls him out on this and gives a NotSoDifferent speech, his response is simply "no." After this treatment, Helena conveniently starts acting like an all-out villain and being treated as such by every character. In the next season however he however, Oliver has realized that people do see him as a murderer and he needs to change his ways.
12th Feb '16 4:49:17 PM Kyle_Reese
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** Ollie chastises Helena for her violent methods, conveniently forgetting that he's killed many, many more people. When she calls him out on this and gives a NotSoDifferent speech, his response is simply "no." In the next season however he has realized that people do see him as a murderer and he needs to change his ways.
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** Ollie chastises Helena for her violent methods, conveniently forgetting that he's killed many, many more people. When she calls him out on this and gives a NotSoDifferent speech, his response is simply "no." After this treatment, Helena conveniently starts acting like an all-out villain and being treated as such by every character. In the next season however he has realized that people do see him as a murderer and he needs to change his ways.

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** Ollie chastises Helena for her violent methods, conveniently forgetting Oliver's frequent use of torture is given this treatment, with a speech given by "Series/TheFlash" implying that he's killed many, many more people. When she calls it's okay for him out on this and gives a NotSoDifferent speech, his response is simply "no." In the next season however he has realized that to torture people do see him as long as he doesn't give in to his inner darkness. * "Series/TheFlash": ** Team Flash's imprisonment of metahumans in their own personal prison without trial or due process is only addressed as possibly being a murderer bad idea once. ** Season 2 saw the Flash straight-up kill two villains without remorse or discussion. ** Later in Season 2, the Flash steals blood samples from people without their consent. * "Series/LegendsofTomorrow": ** When Dr. Martin Stein roofies and he needs to change his ways.kidnaps Jefferson Jackson.
12th Feb '16 11:20:25 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* In ''Go Go Gophers'', which ran on the ''WesternAnimation/{{Underdog}}'' cartoon, Colonel Kit Coyote was very much an obsessive and egotistical bully for constantly trying to get rid of the two Gopher Indians, but then again, those two did quite a few mean things to him as well in retaliation that often left him and his men injured or in the stockade, and ''never'' got punished for it.
11th Feb '16 1:58:52 PM LISBOAH
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** [[spoiler: After First Master Mavis Vermilion, explains how she got her curse, a curse that kills everything around her, and feels guilty for what happened because of it, the protagonists tell her not to feel guilty, even though she said that she killed people. And yet, for now, no one has ever shown any kind of sympathy for Zeref who has suffered the exact same curse for '400 years'. For centuries he has been known as the darkest and most evil magician in history, even though most of the deaths he caused were due to his curse. It is very possible that Mavis would too be considered as evil if she were to live as long as him.]] *** [[spoiler: The only one that seems to feel sympathy for him is Mavis herself, since she experienced the same curse, even if in a considerably shorter time.]]
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** [[spoiler: After First Master Mavis Vermilion, explains how she got her curse, a curse that kills everything around her, and feels guilty for what happened because of it, the protagonists tell her not to feel guilty, even though she said that she killed people. guilty. And yet, for now, no one has ever shown any kind of sympathy for Zeref who has suffered the exact same curse for '400 years'.''400 years''. For centuries he has been known as the darkest and most evil magician in history, even though most of the deaths he caused were due to his curse. It is very possible that Mavis would too be considered as evil if she were to live as long as him. The masters of Fairy Tail are aware of this so they maintain this story a secret.]] *** [[spoiler: The only one that seems to feel sympathy for him is Mavis herself, since she experienced the same curse, even if in a considerably shorter time.time, though she opposes the man she once loved after he declares his intention to wipe out humanity.]]
7th Feb '16 3:33:23 PM nombretomado
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* Very common of many of the protagonists from TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation. ''[[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes Warner Bros.]]'', ''[[TexAveryMGMCartoons MGM]]'' and other studios were commonly creating protagonists who were selfish, sociopathic jerks who self-righteously whaled on whoever got in their way for some slight against them no matter how minor. The slapstick, suspension of disbelief and occasional charm helped offset the jerkass tendencies.
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* Very common of many of the protagonists from TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation.UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation. ''[[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes Warner Bros.]]'', ''[[TexAveryMGMCartoons MGM]]'' and other studios were commonly creating protagonists who were selfish, sociopathic jerks who self-righteously whaled on whoever got in their way for some slight against them no matter how minor. The slapstick, suspension of disbelief and occasional charm helped offset the jerkass tendencies.
3rd Feb '16 8:27:49 AM catmuto
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* ''WebComic/HowIBecameYours'' ** Mai learns that Katara was pregnant with Zuko's child and hid the letter from him for a few years. She says it was because [[StrawmanHasAPoint she was trying to prevent a civil war from breaking out, due to the news that the Fire Lord had not only cheated on his fiancée and eventual wife, but also created a bastard child with a member of an opposing nation and destabilizing their already fragile Fire Nation]]. Zuko never sees anything wrong with what ''he'' did, physically assaults Mai and runs off to be with Katara. Consequently, Katara reveals to Zuko that she was planning to hide her child's existence from Zuko for the same reasons, but ''she'' is treated as being very considerate and kind for doing so. ** Eventually, Katara ends up killing Mai. It happened during the heat of a battle, which would lend to the idea of justified self-defense (Mai having attempted to have Katara killed prior, before trying it herself) but that part is never actually considered. And Sokka flat out says it was ''heroic'' of Katara to commit murder. Through bloodbending, something that she canonically hated doing.
3rd Feb '16 1:45:10 AM Green70
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** And then there's Mokuba, who after Seto's initial defeat following his attempt to steal Sugoroku's Blue Eyes White Dragon, had no compunctions about using violence and trickery to force Yugi into playing rigged games that had the threat of death should Yugi lose. As with Seto, Mokuba's actions are later excused by the other characters simply because of an abusive childhood.
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** And then there's Mokuba, who after Seto's initial defeat following his attempt to steal Sugoroku's Blue Eyes White Dragon, had no compunctions about using violence and trickery to force Yugi into playing rigged games that had the threat of death should Yugi lose. As with Seto, Mokuba's actions are later excused by the other characters simply because of an abusive childhood.childhood and love for his big brother. He is more easily excused as he is portrayed as younger than the other characters.
1st Feb '16 11:52:42 PM azul120
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Seen this edit elsewhere. Garnet was angry at Pearl for lying to her. She didn't mind the Lapis Lazuli/Jasper fusion given the intent of the former.
* Garnet from ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse''. When Pearl deceived her as to her reasons for wanting to fuse she acted like it was a HUGE deal, and was so angry that she actually [[spoiler: de-fused back into Ruby and Sapphire]]. Yet when Lapis Lazuli deceived Jasper as to her reason for wanting to fuse with Jasper, and actively prevented Jasper from breaking the fusion despite Jasper's obvious discomfort, Garnet just dropped a snarky one-liner about it and called it a day.

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28th Jan '16 12:52:07 PM MagBas
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The Mane six( less Fluttershy) not believed in Discord reform- and were not portrayed as incorrect- and only forgiven him when he demonstrated genuine repentance and not mere fear of losing Fluttershy's friendship. Similar to him, Trixie was forgiven when demonstrated repentence. And considering that the story is incredibly consistent in characters showing repentence deserving forgeviness, Sunset being forgiven not qualifies as a double standard.
* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' accidentally slides into this sometimes. Often what determines if a character is "good" or not is whether or not they're friends with the Mane Six: Discord and Starlight Glimmer were given [[GetOutOfJailFreeCard Get Out Of Jail Free Cards]] after befriending Fluttershy and Twilight Sparkle, respectively, while characters like Trixie are regularly portrayed as "villains" despite not being that bad at all.
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' accidentally slides into this sometimes. Often what determines if a character is "good" or not is whether or not they're friends with the Mane Six: Discord and Starlight Glimmer were given [[GetOutOfJailFreeCard Get Out Of Jail Free Cards]] after befriending Fluttershy and Twilight Sparkle, respectively, while characters like Trixie are regularly portrayed as "villains" despite not being that bad at all.sometimes:

** Sunset Shimmer was an interesting case. She was quickly forgiven and befriended by Twilight Sparkle after her apology, but not by anyone else. It seems people are ''far'' less forgiving than ponies, as she had to spend the entire sequel [[ReformedButRejected proving she had changed and earning her redemption]].
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