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19th Sep '16 4:17:47 PM Celcey
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* Iroh from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' had a vision when he was young that he'd be the one successfully claim the city of Ba Sing Se for the Fire Nation -- only to end the siege in his grief at his son's death. Years later, he finally did claim the city -- ''from'' the Fire Nation, in the name of the Earth Kingdom. As he says "Destiny is a funny thing".
** There's also the entirety of the Fortune Teller episode, which SEEMS to be leading this way. Everything she prophesises is either incredibly vague or self-fulfilling ("I'll meet my wife on the day I wear red shoes, so every day I wear red shoes!" type of self-fulfilling.) Then she makes a series of predictions that not only fly in the face of logic concerning the local about-to-erupt volcano, and everyone adopts a very laissez faire approach. It gets so bad that the Gaang has to fly up and literally rearrange the clouds to get her to change her prophecy, which FINALLY gets everyone off their asses, proving that her initial prediction was the wrong one.... The subversion, pointed out explicitly by her, is that it ended up that everything turned out literally as she predicted (the village itself was ''not'' destroyed by the volcano).

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* General Iroh from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' had a vision when he was young that he'd be the one successfully claim conquer the Earth Kingdom city of Ba Sing Se for Se. He led the Fire Nation -- in a 600 day siege of the city, only to end the siege it in his grief at over his son's untimely death. Years later, he finally did claim conquered the city -- city- ''from'' the Fire Nation, in the name of the Earth Kingdom. As he says "Destiny says: destiny is a funny thing".
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** There's also the entirety of the Fortune Teller episode, which SEEMS to be leading this way. Everything she prophesises is either incredibly vague or self-fulfilling ("I'll meet my wife on the day I wear red shoes, so every day I wear red shoes!" type of self-fulfilling.) shoes!"). Then she makes a series of predictions that not only fly in the face of logic concerning the local about-to-erupt volcano, and everyone adopts a very laissez faire approach. It gets so bad that the Gaang has to fly up and literally rearrange the clouds to get her to change her prophecy, which FINALLY gets everyone off their asses, proving that her initial prediction was the wrong one....one. The subversion, pointed out explicitly by her, is that it ended up that everything turned out literally as she predicted (the village itself was ''not'' destroyed by the volcano).
26th Jul '16 4:30:57 PM nombretomado
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* In ''ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace'', Merlin tells King Rience that if he attacks Arthur a great king will fall. [[AuthorCatchphrase You can't beat the classics]].

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* In ''ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace'', ''Webcomic/ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace'', Merlin tells King Rience that if he attacks Arthur a great king will fall. [[AuthorCatchphrase You can't beat the classics]].
15th Jul '16 6:47:43 AM Willbyr
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* ''[[SteinsGate Steins;Gate]]'' manages this despite the "prophecy" being something the protagonist ''[[TrickedOutTime saw with his own eyes.]]'' [[spoiler: Turns out "the female lead dies" was a red herring for the real fixed point in time: "the main character sees the female lead lying in a pool of blood, prompting him to send the text message that leads to the discovery of time travel."]]

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* ''[[SteinsGate Steins;Gate]]'' ''VisualNovel/SteinsGate'' manages this despite the "prophecy" being something the protagonist ''[[TrickedOutTime saw with his own eyes.]]'' [[spoiler: Turns out "the female lead dies" was a red herring for the real fixed point in time: "the main character sees the female lead lying in a pool of blood, prompting him to send the text message that leads to the discovery of time travel."]]



* In ''[[Anime/{{Naruto}} Naruto]]'', the Great Toad Sage from Mount Myoboku foresaw Jiraiya travelling the world, writing a book and being the master of someone who will bring a great change in the world, who which either save it or destroy it. Jiraiya would then have to make a difficult choice. And that choice will determine the fate of the world. Listening the prophecy, Jiraiya then travels the world, meets people, write a book and take various pupils: Nagato, Minato and Naruto. All three have the requirements to become the chosen one. Over the course of the story, Minato dies, Nagato takes the path of evil and then dies, leaving only Naruto to takes the role of the Chosen One, since he's the last pupil of Jiraya still alive.

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* In ''[[Anime/{{Naruto}} Naruto]]'', ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', the Great Toad Sage from Mount Myoboku foresaw Jiraiya travelling the world, writing a book and being the master of someone who will bring a great change in the world, who which either save it or destroy it. Jiraiya would then have to make a difficult choice. And that choice will determine the fate of the world. Listening the prophecy, Jiraiya then travels the world, meets people, write a book and take various pupils: Nagato, Minato and Naruto. All three have the requirements to become the chosen one. Over the course of the story, Minato dies, Nagato takes the path of evil and then dies, leaving only Naruto to takes the role of the Chosen One, since he's the last pupil of Jiraya still alive.
19th Jun '16 2:38:42 PM nombretomado
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* The ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' "[[TheThrawnTrilogy Thrawn]]" trilogy has this kind of prophecy from the insane Jedi Master Joruus C'Baoth. He prophesied that Mara Jade would become his apprentice because he saw a vision of her [[KneelBeforeZod kneeling before him]]. Turns out that Mara "kneels" [[spoiler: in order to duck under C'Baoth's Force Lightning and chop him in half with her lightsaber.]]

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* The ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' "[[TheThrawnTrilogy "[[Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy Thrawn]]" trilogy has this kind of prophecy from the insane Jedi Master Joruus C'Baoth. He prophesied that Mara Jade would become his apprentice because he saw a vision of her [[KneelBeforeZod kneeling before him]]. Turns out that Mara "kneels" [[spoiler: in order to duck under C'Baoth's Force Lightning and chop him in half with her lightsaber.]]
26th May '16 8:47:06 PM PaulA
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* Creator/HarryTurtledove's fourth ''Tales Of The Fox'' story has a prophecy about "bronze and wood" that fools even the clever and well-educated Fox into thinking it just refers to chariots, but that's okay; it wasn't meant for him anyway, but for his son and his demigod houseguest, who puzzle out the true meaning just in time to save the Fox's army.

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* Creator/HarryTurtledove's fourth ''Tales Of The Fox'' ''Literature/TalesOfTheFox'' story has a prophecy about "bronze and wood" that fools even the clever and well-educated Fox into thinking it just refers to chariots, but that's okay; it wasn't meant for him anyway, but for his son and his demigod houseguest, who puzzle out the true meaning just in time to save the Fox's army.
24th Mar '16 10:06:17 AM Yagami1211
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* In ''[[Anime/{{Naruto}} Naruto]], the Great Toad Sage from Mount Myoboku foresaw Jiraiya travelling the world, writing a book, being the master of someone who will bring a great change in the world, he either save it or destroy it. Jiraiya would then have to make a difficult choice. And that choice will determine the fate of the world. Jiraiya then travels the world, meets people, write a book and take various pupils. Nagato, Minato and Naruto. All three have the requirements to become the chosen one. Over the course of the story, Minato dies, Nagato takes the path of evil and then dies, leaving only Naruto to takes the role of the Chosen One, since he's the last pupil of Jiraya still alive.

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* In ''[[Anime/{{Naruto}} Naruto]], Naruto]]'', the Great Toad Sage from Mount Myoboku foresaw Jiraiya travelling the world, writing a book, book and being the master of someone who will bring a great change in the world, he who which either save it or destroy it. Jiraiya would then have to make a difficult choice. And that choice will determine the fate of the world. Listening the prophecy, Jiraiya then travels the world, meets people, write a book and take various pupils. pupils: Nagato, Minato and Naruto. All three have the requirements to become the chosen one. Over the course of the story, Minato dies, Nagato takes the path of evil and then dies, leaving only Naruto to takes the role of the Chosen One, since he's the last pupil of Jiraya still alive.
24th Mar '16 10:04:30 AM Yagami1211
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* In ''[[Anime/{{Naruto}}]], the Great Toad Sage from Mount Myoboku foresaw Jiraiya travelling the world, writing a book, being the master of someone who will bring a great change in the world, he either save it or destroy it. Jiraiya would then have to make a difficult choice. And that choice will determine the fate of the world. Jiraiya then travels the world, meets people, write a book and take various pupils. Nagato, Minato and Naruto. All three have the requirements to become the chosen one. Over the course of the story, Minato dies, Nagato takes the path of evil and then dies, leaving only Naruto to takes the role of the Chosen One, since he's the last pupil of Jiraya still alive.

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* In ''[[Anime/{{Naruto}}]], ''[[Anime/{{Naruto}} Naruto]], the Great Toad Sage from Mount Myoboku foresaw Jiraiya travelling the world, writing a book, being the master of someone who will bring a great change in the world, he either save it or destroy it. Jiraiya would then have to make a difficult choice. And that choice will determine the fate of the world. Jiraiya then travels the world, meets people, write a book and take various pupils. Nagato, Minato and Naruto. All three have the requirements to become the chosen one. Over the course of the story, Minato dies, Nagato takes the path of evil and then dies, leaving only Naruto to takes the role of the Chosen One, since he's the last pupil of Jiraya still alive.
24th Mar '16 10:04:04 AM Yagami1211
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* In ''[[Anime/{{Naruto}}]], the Great Toad Sage from Mount Myoboku foresaw Jiraiya travelling the world, writing a book, being the master of someone who will bring a great change in the world, he either save it or destroy it. Jiraiya would then have to make a difficult choice. And that choice will determine the fate of the world. Jiraiya then travels the world, meets people, write a book and take various pupils. Nagato, Minato and Naruto. All three have the requirements to become the chosen one. Over the course of the story, Minato dies, Nagato takes the path of evil and then dies, leaving only Naruto to takes the role of the Chosen One, since he's the last pupil of Jiraya still alive.
1st Feb '16 6:20:53 PM nombretomado
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* In the trilogy ''MemorySorrowAndThorn'' by TadWilliams, a prophecy speaks about three swords that have to be united, so the early can resist against the late. This is interpreted by the protagonists that they have to [[GottaCatchThemAll get all three swords]] to resist the undead Storm King. [[spoiler:Unfortunately, no one remembered the fact that the elves lived in the world ''before'' the humans arrived]]. Or, for that matter, that the prophecy was written by a servant/victim of the BigBad.

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* In the trilogy ''MemorySorrowAndThorn'' by TadWilliams, Creator/TadWilliams, a prophecy speaks about three swords that have to be united, so the early can resist against the late. This is interpreted by the protagonists that they have to [[GottaCatchThemAll get all three swords]] to resist the undead Storm King. [[spoiler:Unfortunately, no one remembered the fact that the elves lived in the world ''before'' the humans arrived]]. Or, for that matter, that the prophecy was written by a servant/victim of the BigBad.
1st Feb '16 7:30:19 AM ErikModi
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** Anakin's own visions of Padme's death in childbirth count. They showed exactly what would happen if Anakin became obsessed with ''stopping'' exactly that event and turned to the Dark Side. Said visions may have been influenced by Palpatine for exactly that effect.
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