History Main / PropheticFallacy

15th Apr '17 9:16:30 AM nombretomado
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* ''TheFaerieQueene'': The sea nymph Marinell's mother was scared by a vague prophecy made by a sea god Proteus that a woman would be the cause of her son's doom. Assuming that the woman who could hurt him the most would be the one he loved, she forbade her son from falling in love or getting married... eventually leaving his girlfriend [[DistressedDamsel Florimell]] easy pickings for [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty Proteus]]. Meanwhile, the prophecy was fulfilled when Marinell was severely injured ''in battle'' with the ActionGirl KnightInShiningArmor Britomart. His mother eventually saw her error in interpreting the prophecy and got Zeus to release Florimell and give Proteus a stern lecture on abusing the power of prophecy to manipulate people.

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* ''TheFaerieQueene'': ''Literature/TheFaerieQueene'': The sea nymph Marinell's mother was scared by a vague prophecy made by a sea god Proteus that a woman would be the cause of her son's doom. Assuming that the woman who could hurt him the most would be the one he loved, she forbade her son from falling in love or getting married... eventually leaving his girlfriend [[DistressedDamsel Florimell]] easy pickings for [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty Proteus]]. Meanwhile, the prophecy was fulfilled when Marinell was severely injured ''in battle'' with the ActionGirl KnightInShiningArmor Britomart. His mother eventually saw her error in interpreting the prophecy and got Zeus to release Florimell and give Proteus a stern lecture on abusing the power of prophecy to manipulate people.
5th Apr '17 9:19:51 AM Kereea1
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5th Apr '17 9:18:10 AM Kereea1
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** Elderly lasat mystic Chava discusses this trope. She's lived long enough to give multiple prophecies and knows there are multiple ways of interpreting even what seems very straightforward. In relation to her most recent prophecy about The Child, The Warrior, and the Fool, she admits to Zeb (the Child) that people change throughout their lives and thus his disbelief that Kallus is the Warrior (based in what he knows of Kallus) isn't enough to discount the entire prophecy. So far the parts involving Zeb and Kallus have been right, but part of Kallus fulfilling his part and forging his own destiny [[spoiler: via becoming the next Fulcrum]] only happened because Zeb, having fulfilled his role already, was willing to give him a chance and save his life.
3rd Apr '17 2:52:27 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* Overlapping with the self-fulfilling variation, the wizard whose prophesies form the narrative of the Myth 2 mod ''The Seventh God'' can see everything about the war but the identity of the BigBad, a foreigner who had united the scattered goblin tribes. He tries to prevent the game's events by traveling to their lands and trying to unite them and "lead them to greater glory." This trope is actually a rule of prophesies in the setting, as seers can't see their own future.

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* Overlapping with the self-fulfilling variation, the wizard whose prophesies form the narrative of the Myth 2 mod ''The Seventh God'' can see everything about the war but the identity of the BigBad, a foreigner who had united the scattered goblin tribes. He tries to prevent the game's events by traveling to their lands and trying to unite them and "lead them to greater glory." This trope is actually a rule of prophesies in the setting, as seers can't see their own future. He actually knows this rule, but is thrown off because he actually can see himself in the prophesies; it turns out it's his apprentice, who had adopted his name.
3rd Apr '17 2:32:19 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** ''Discworld/InterestingTimes'' references Croesus (below). A seer, who, as he's on the Discworld, probably has a decent batting average, is completely flummoxed by a demand to predict the outcome of a battle, which is understandable as Lady Luck, several billion chaotic-system-generating butterflies, and Rincewind ("With him here, even uncertainty is uncertain") are all in the immediate vicinity. Knowing that he would be put to death for admitting it, he says only that "a decisive victory would be won" -- neglecting to mention who would be the victor. Even then, he almost doesn't get away with it; Lord Hong demands to know if he's sure, and he only manages to escape by pretending to get indignant: "What, so you're the seer now? You can see what the liver means just here? I suppose you know all about this green wobbly bit over here!"

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** ''Discworld/InterestingTimes'' references Croesus (below). A seer, who, as he's on the Discworld, probably has a decent batting average, is completely flummoxed by a demand to predict the outcome of a battle, which is understandable as Lady Luck, several billion chaotic-system-generating butterflies, and Rincewind ("With him here, even uncertainty is uncertain") are all in the immediate vicinity. Knowing that he would be put to death for admitting it, he says only that "a decisive victory would be won" -- neglecting to mention who would be the victor. Even then, he almost doesn't get away with it; Lord Hong demands to know if he's sure, and he only manages to escape by pretending to get indignant: "What, so you're the seer now? You can see what the liver means just here? I suppose you know all about this green wobbly bit over here!"here!" He then waited until Hong had lost interest in him and legged it.
3rd Apr '17 2:30:23 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** It's also clear that Voldemort intended to kill both children, just to be sure. But once Harry survived the attempt and Voldemort was temporarily reduced to a near-death state, it became obvious that he was the one the prophecy referred to and thus Voldemort lost interest in the other child. He didn't realize, [[spoiler:and never did figure out]], that Harry was only TheChosenOne of the prophecy because ''[[HoistByHisOwnPetard Voldemort was the one who chose him]]''. As mentioned above, that's the Fallacy part of the PropheticFallacy.

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** It's also clear that Voldemort intended to kill both children, just to be sure. But once Harry survived the attempt and Voldemort was temporarily reduced to a near-death state, it became obvious that he was the one the prophecy referred to and thus Voldemort lost interest in the other child. He didn't realize, [[spoiler:and never did figure out]], that Harry was only TheChosenOne of the prophecy because ''[[HoistByHisOwnPetard Voldemort was the one who chose him]]''. As mentioned above, that's the Fallacy part of the PropheticFallacy. Also, the other child ended up being instrumental in his defeat.
15th Mar '17 7:37:49 PM AthenaBlue
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* Happens in ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' with a prophecy about how the leader of the monkey ninjas will be unstoppable. At the end of the episode the prophecy spirit rather sheepishly shows up to explain to the disgruntled monkey ninjas that due to a typo he actually meant something else ([[spoiler:[[SideKick Ron Stoppable]]]]).


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* Happens in ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' with a prophecy about how the leader of the monkey ninjas will be unstoppable. At the end of the episode the prophecy spirit rather sheepishly shows up to explain to the disgruntled monkey ninjas that due to a typo he actually meant something else ([[spoiler:[[SideKick Ron Stoppable]]]]).


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* ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'': In [[Recap/StarWarsRebelsS1E10VisionOfHope "Vision of Hope"]], Ezra has a Force vision of himself meeting [[VoiceOfTheResistance Senator-in-exile Gall Trayvis]], who says he knew Ezra's parents. Kanan warns him that he may be seeing what he wants to see, but Ezra blows him off. It turns out [[spoiler:Trayvis is TheMole, and he didn't actually know Ezra's parents, he'd only heard of them.]]


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20th Jan '17 10:40:53 AM Morgenthaler
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* In the trilogy ''MemorySorrowAndThorn'' by Creator/TadWilliams, a prophecy speaks about three swords that have to be united, so the early can resist against the late. This is interpreted by the protagonists that they have to [[GottaCatchThemAll get all three swords]] to resist the undead Storm King. [[spoiler:Unfortunately, no one remembered the fact that the elves lived in the world ''before'' the humans arrived]]. Or, for that matter, that the prophecy was written by a servant/victim of the BigBad.

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* In the trilogy ''MemorySorrowAndThorn'' ''Literature/MemorySorrowAndThorn'' by Creator/TadWilliams, a prophecy speaks about three swords that have to be united, so the early can resist against the late. This is interpreted by the protagonists that they have to [[GottaCatchThemAll get all three swords]] to resist the undead Storm King. [[spoiler:Unfortunately, no one remembered the fact that the elves lived in the world ''before'' the humans arrived]]. Or, for that matter, that the prophecy was written by a servant/victim of the BigBad.
8th Jan '17 12:37:27 PM nombretomado
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* In the graphic novel ''ComicBook/TopTen-- The Forty-Niners'', two characters see part of a newspaper headline from the future that suggests Nazis have taken over America. However, the headline is later shown in full and revealed to be celebrating the Nazis' ''failure''.

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* In the graphic novel ''ComicBook/TopTen-- ''ComicBook/TopTen -- The Forty-Niners'', two characters see part of a newspaper headline from the future that suggests Nazis have taken over America. However, the headline is later shown in full and revealed to be celebrating the Nazis' ''failure''.
8th Jan '17 12:37:21 PM nombretomado
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* In the graphic novel ''TopTen -- The Forty-Niners'', two characters see part of a newspaper headline from the future that suggests Nazis have taken over America. However, the headline is later shown in full and revealed to be celebrating the Nazis' ''failure''.

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* In the graphic novel ''TopTen -- ''ComicBook/TopTen-- The Forty-Niners'', two characters see part of a newspaper headline from the future that suggests Nazis have taken over America. However, the headline is later shown in full and revealed to be celebrating the Nazis' ''failure''.
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