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24th Nov '17 3:40:54 AM captainspycrab
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* ''[[Videogame/TheJourneymanProject The Journeyman Project III: Legacy of Time.]]'' The El Dorado fragment of the titular Legacy gives the city's shaman precognitive abilities, which are usually scarily accurate to the point that some of the city's Nazca-esque line art (in the first millennium AD) depicts the exact logo of your 24th-century top secret TimePolice organization. However, one particular prophecy he receives apparently shows a nearby farm boy using the legacy fragment to stop the Two Brothers (actually the alien species Cyrollan and Qo'Thalas) from destroying the city; actually he's seeing the player character, disguised as the boy, retrieving the fragment and bringing it back to the future to stop them from destroying the Earth. El Dorado, on the other hand, is utterly destroyed in the crossfire the very night after the player leaves.
8th Nov '17 5:22:43 AM TitaniumDragon
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* ''MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' features this in "It's About Time", when future!Twilight comes back in time to warn past!Twilight about something, but gets cut off before she can explain what she was warning against. Twilight spends the next week freaking out because her future self looked pretty rough. [[spoiler: Turns out that she looked rough because she had spent all week freaking out, and when she finally found the time travel spell, goes back in time in a vain attempt to warn herself not to worry about what is going to happen.]]
4th Nov '17 11:33:55 PM captainspycrab
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* ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure'': The Stand Thoth is a comic book that shows the future, and just like its user Boingo says, its predictions are ''never'' wrong; however, when they come true, they do so in an extremely convoluted way that ends up having the opposite effect of what Boingo and his allies expect. It's appeared twice so far:
** The first time it appeared, it predicted that Boingo's brother Oingo would plant a bomb disguised as an orange in the Joestar company's car, and when it went off, it would split Jotaro's face in half. When Oingo went to plant the bomb, the Joestar group returned earlier than expected, forcing Oingo to disguise himself as Jotaro[[note]]the only member of the group not present at the time[[/note]]. Forced to enter the car with them to maintain his cover, Oingo tossed the bomb-orange out the window, but Iggy retrieved it. Oingo then claimed he needed a bathroom break and took the opportunity to flee, but Polnareff noticed that the bomb-orange had been in Iggy's mouth and tossed it out the window, whereupon it landed directly beneath the feet of Oingo, still disguised as Jotaro. One guess what happened to him.
** The second time, it predicted that if [[TheGunslinger Hol Horse]] fired his gun down an open pipe, the bullets would ricochet out the other end and hit Jotaro in the face at exactly noon. Horse complied with the prediction, but Jotaro moved out of the way just in time, and the bullets ricocheted off a building and passed through ''the picture of Jotaro in Thoth itself,'' and Horse's head behind it.
22nd Oct '17 12:48:47 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** The ones relating directly to her family tend to be extremely straightforward, like "at this date and time avoid a falling brick". There's also a clear prophesy that the pair above will fall in love and have sex while working on the problem (with lots of "encouraging" commentary from generations in between in the notes); the non-descendent is rather disturbed to learn this.
22nd Oct '17 12:30:04 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* ''Film/{{Willow}}'' sees the [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen evil Queen]] Bavmorda come across the prophecy of a child bearing a mark, who will lead to her destruction. Naturally, she scours the land capturing all pregnant women in search for this child. When Elora Dannan is born, all those people who have heard of the prophecy rally to protect the newborn so she can fulfill her destiny... accidentally bringing together a force that can storm Bavmorda's castle, while the queen herself is destroyed by the very spell she intended to kill baby Elora with.

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* ''Film/{{Willow}}'' sees the [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen evil Queen]] Bavmorda come across the prophecy of a child bearing a mark, who will lead to her destruction. Naturally, she scours the land capturing all pregnant women in search for this child. When Elora Dannan is born, all those people who have heard of the prophecy rally to protect the newborn so she can fulfill her destiny... accidentally bringing together a force that can storm Bavmorda's castle, while the queen herself is destroyed by the very spell she intended to kill baby Elora with. In the ([[BrokenBase divisive]]) sequel novel series ''Chronicles of the Shadow War'' this leads to all sorts of problems when she grows up as TheChosenOne who's already done what she was Chosen to do (it involves alternate timelines and inter-dimensional travel).
12th Oct '17 6:46:00 AM JamesAustin
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* In the 1997 version of ''Film/PrinceValiant'', the bad guys steal Excalibur, but in their base, the sword embeds itself into the floor. Morgan le Fay orders her MagicMirror to show them a person worthy of pulling the sword out besides King Arthur. It shows what appears to be Sir Gawain, so they try to kidnap him and force him to pull it out. Naturally, the mirror had shown Prince Valiant in Sir Gawain's armor.

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* In the 1997 version of ''Film/PrinceValiant'', ''Film/PrinceValiant1997'', the bad guys steal Excalibur, but in their base, the sword embeds itself into the floor. Morgan le Fay orders her MagicMirror to show them a person worthy of pulling the sword out besides King Arthur. It shows what appears to be Sir Gawain, so they try to kidnap him and force him to pull it out. Naturally, the mirror had shown Prince Valiant in Sir Gawain's armor.
23rd Sep '17 2:10:56 PM Plactus
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* In the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' books, Voldemort hears half of a prophecy about a boy about to be born who will be his nemesis. With two possible choices, he chooses Harry, but in the process of trying to kill him, gives Harry both the power and a reason to defy him, which was the half of the prophesy that he missed. Also a SelfFulfillingProphecy.
** It's implied that the prophesy still would have been true if he had attacked the other boy, in a bit of a SchrodingersGun.

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* In the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' books, Voldemort hears half of a prophecy about a boy about to be born who will be his nemesis. With two possible choices, he chooses Harry, but in the process of trying to kill him, gives Harry both the power and a reason to defy him, which was the half of the prophesy prophecy that he missed. Also a SelfFulfillingProphecy.
** It's implied that the prophesy prophecy still would have been true if he had attacked the other boy, in a bit of a SchrodingersGun.
2nd Aug '17 11:43:18 AM StFan
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A variation on the ProphecyTwist and, sometimes, the [[SelfFulfillingProphecy Self Fulfilling Prophecies]], the Prophetic Fallacy is different in that the prophecy itself - typically a prophetic dream or glimpse through a time window - is incomplete or deceptive in some way rather than simply vague.

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A variation on the ProphecyTwist and, sometimes, the [[SelfFulfillingProphecy Self Fulfilling Self-Fulfilling Prophecies]], the Prophetic Fallacy is different in that the prophecy itself - -- typically a prophetic dream or glimpse through a time window - -- is incomplete or deceptive in some way rather than simply vague.



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* In ''Manga/{{Basara}}'', male and female twins are born, and it is prophesised that one of them will overthrow the evil kings that rule post-apocalyptic Japan. The villages automatically assume that the boy is the saviour... but he gets killed, leading the girl to disguise herself as him and lead the rebellion. The village wise man comments that she noticed without realising it that she was in fact the saviour.

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* In ''Manga/{{Basara}}'', male and female twins are born, and it is prophesised prophesized that one of them will overthrow the evil kings that rule post-apocalyptic Japan. The villages automatically assume that the boy is the saviour...savior... but he gets killed, leading the girl to disguise herself as him and lead the rebellion. The village wise man comments that she noticed without realising realizing it that she was in fact the saviour.savior.






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* In the 1997 version of ''ComicStrip/PrinceValiant'', the bad guys steal Excalibur, but in their base, the sword embeds itself into the floor. Morgan le Fay orders her MagicMirror to show them a person worthy of pulling the sword out besides King Arthur. It shows what appears to be Sir Gawain, so they try to kidnap him and force him to pull it out. Naturally, the mirror had shown Prince Valiant in Sir Gawain's armor.
* In the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels, the Jedi Council is beginning to suspect that they have misunderstood the prophecy that someone would come to bring balance to The Force. The prophecy omitted all details of what bringing balance to The Force would entail. They assumed that it would involve the destruction of the Sith, which was correct. What they failed to account for was that TheChosenOne would first ''destroy the Jedi and become a Sith'', and only years later would he also end the Sith by killing his master at the cost of his own life.

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* In the 1997 version of ''ComicStrip/PrinceValiant'', ''Film/PrinceValiant'', the bad guys steal Excalibur, but in their base, the sword embeds itself into the floor. Morgan le Fay orders her MagicMirror to show them a person worthy of pulling the sword out besides King Arthur. It shows what appears to be Sir Gawain, so they try to kidnap him and force him to pull it out. Naturally, the mirror had shown Prince Valiant in Sir Gawain's armor.
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In the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels, the Jedi Council is beginning to suspect that they have misunderstood the prophecy that someone would come to bring balance to The Force. The prophecy omitted all details of what bringing balance to The Force would entail. They assumed that it would involve the destruction of the Sith, which was correct. What they failed to account for was that TheChosenOne would first ''destroy the Jedi and become a Sith'', and only years later would he also end the Sith by killing his master at the cost of his own life.






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* A sort-of example: in the ExpandedUniverse series of ''StarWars'' novels called the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'', the enemy are ScaryDogmaticAliens, the Yuuzhan Vong. One note about the Vong is that twins are exceedingly rare-and their religious beliefs indicate that one will always kill the other. They are intrigued not only by Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa Solo, but by Leia's children, Jacen and Jaina. To that end, they attempt to ''make'' it happen, by capturing one and them inducing them to kill the other. This in fact leads to their downfall, as with a little help from a spy Jacen not only is able to fake loyalty to the Yuuzhan Vong, but learns a number of Force uses that become instrumental in the war, but also that he corrupts a critical piece of Vong biotech.

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* A sort-of example: in the ExpandedUniverse series of ''StarWars'' ''Star Wars'' novels called the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'', the enemy are ScaryDogmaticAliens, the Yuuzhan Vong. One note about the Vong is that twins are exceedingly rare-and their religious beliefs indicate that one will always kill the other. They are intrigued not only by Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa Solo, but by Leia's children, Jacen and Jaina. To that end, they attempt to ''make'' it happen, by capturing one and them inducing them to kill the other. This in fact leads to their downfall, as with a little help from a spy Jacen not only is able to fake loyalty to the Yuuzhan Vong, but learns a number of Force uses that become instrumental in the war, but also that he corrupts a critical piece of Vong biotech.






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* The series that was truly the king of this trope was the contemporaneous ''OneStepBeyond'', which seemingly used this twist every other episode.

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* The series that was truly the king of this trope was the contemporaneous ''OneStepBeyond'', ''Series/OneStepBeyond'', which seemingly used this twist every other episode.







* In OedipusRex, Oedipus was prophesied to "Kill his father and marry his mother." Consequently, Oedipus left his family and his city to wander the world. In the process, he did kill his father and marry his mother in unrelated events. The prophecy omitted critical information about the events of the prophecy. (Any vision of the events would have seen beyond the bare statement of the prophecy, which naturally implies immediate connection between the two events.)

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\n* In OedipusRex, ''Theatre/OedipusRex'', Oedipus was prophesied to "Kill his father and marry his mother." Consequently, Oedipus left his family and his city to wander the world. In the process, he did kill his father and marry his mother in unrelated events. The prophecy omitted critical information about the events of the prophecy. (Any vision of the events would have seen beyond the bare statement of the prophecy, which naturally implies immediate connection between the two events.)
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16th Jun '17 8:19:37 AM Jake
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* An AppliedPhlebotinum / TechnoBabble-powered example occurred in the first episode of ''Series/BlakesSeven'' after the super-computer [=ORAC=] joined the cast, when they tested out its future-prediction capabilities and got a short video clip of what appeared to be the ''Liberator'' exploding. [[spoiler:Turns out it was another ship of the same design, launched in pursuit after they spent the episode trying to escape the people who built the ''Liberator'' and disputed their salvage claim, and it turned out to have been [=ORAC=] who sabotaged it.]] Apparently they decided that getting [=ORAC=] to predict the future was more trouble than it was worth, as it was never used again.

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* An AppliedPhlebotinum / TechnoBabble-powered example occurred in the first episode of ''Series/BlakesSeven'' after the super-computer [=ORAC=] joined the cast, when they tested out its future-prediction capabilities and got a short video clip of what appeared to be the ''Liberator'' exploding. [[spoiler:Turns out it was another ship of the same design, launched in pursuit after they spent the episode trying to escape the people who built the ''Liberator'' and disputed their salvage claim, and it turned out to have been [=ORAC=] who sabotaged it.]] Apparently they decided that getting [=ORAC=] to predict the future was more trouble than it was worth, worth after that, as it was never used again.again. It's also vaguely implied that [=ORAC=] was intentionally screwing with them, either to make a point or for its own amusement.
5th Jun '17 1:23:20 AM SSJMagus
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* In the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels, the Jedi Council is beginning to suspect that they have misunderstood the prophecy that someone would come to bring balance to The Force. The prophecy omitted all details of what bringing balance to The Force would entail.

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* In the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels, the Jedi Council is beginning to suspect that they have misunderstood the prophecy that someone would come to bring balance to The Force. The prophecy omitted all details of what bringing balance to The Force would entail. They assumed that it would involve the destruction of the Sith, which was correct. What they failed to account for was that TheChosenOne would first ''destroy the Jedi and become a Sith'', and only years later would he also end the Sith by killing his master at the cost of his own life.
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