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22nd Jul '17 9:15:49 PM wuggles
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* In ''Series/TourDePharmacy'', this is an ExaggeratedTrope with Marty, who is a white person of American descent born and raised in Nigeria and touts being the first Nigerian in the Tour de France [[spoiler: (and when Slim Robinson, an African-American wins, he bemoans the fact that an African such as himself didn't win)]]. In reality, he attended American schools and didn't interact with any actual black Nigerians.
21st Jul '17 8:48:23 PM bt8257
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* [[TropeNamers Named]] for the song "Pretty Fly (for a White Guy)" by Music/TheOffspring. It looks as though it's about race, but looking closer, it's clear the kid is just middle class, and has no idea of the actual hip-hop and ghetto culture. Thus he looks like an ass, more so in the music video where he flashes gangbanger signs to a black man and shows off his lowrider's hydraulic system to a pair of Mexicans who obviously shake their heads in consternation. Songwriter Dexter Holland summed up as a song about guys “from, like, Omaha, Nebraska, regular white-bread boys, but who act like they’re from Compton. It’s so fake and obvious that they’re trying to have an identity.”

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* [[TropeNamers Named]] for after the song "Pretty Fly (for (For a White Guy)" by Music/TheOffspring. It looks as though it's about race, but looking closer, it's clear the kid is just middle class, and has no idea of the actual hip-hop and ghetto culture. Thus he looks like an a total ass, more so in the music video where he flashes gangbanger gang-banger signs to a black man and shows off his lowrider's low-rider's hydraulic system to a pair of Mexicans who obviously shake their heads in consternation. Songwriter Dexter Holland summed up as a song about guys “from, like, Omaha, Nebraska, regular white-bread boys, but who act like they’re from Compton. It’s so fake and obvious that they’re trying to have an identity.”



** Weird Al has actually covered the Trope Namer as ''Pretty Fly For A Rabbi'', which [[InvertedTrope inverts things]]: the Rabbi in the song is popular and cool because of how good he is at being Jewish.

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** Weird Al has actually covered the Trope Namer as ''Pretty Fly For A for a Rabbi'', which [[InvertedTrope inverts things]]: the Rabbi in the song is popular and cool because of how good he is at being Jewish.
18th Jul '17 6:51:29 PM Ultraman-Prime
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* The upside is that sometimes Cultural Appropriation is the only means by which a wide audience gets exposed to the culture ''at all''. ThereIsNoSuchThingAsBadPublicity, after all. Besides, cultural appropriation ''can'' be performed in a respectful manner. ''Disney/{{Moana}}'', for instance, is a story about brown people by white people, and while most agree that it should've been by brown people instead, most ''also'' agree that the white people did a pretty good job of it -- for instance, by actually hiring a number of Polynesian people to work behind the scenes and guarantee some level of authenticity.

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* The upside is that sometimes Cultural Appropriation is the only means by which a wide audience gets exposed to the culture ''at all''. ThereIsNoSuchThingAsBadPublicity, There is NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity, after all. Besides, cultural appropriation ''can'' be performed in a respectful manner. ''Disney/{{Moana}}'', for instance, is a story about brown people by white people, and while most agree that it should've been by brown people instead, most ''also'' agree that the white people did a pretty good job of it -- for instance, by actually hiring a number of Polynesian people to work behind the scenes and guarantee some level of authenticity.
17th Jul '17 11:20:32 AM slvstrChung
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The most common form of this is likely just trying to imitate an accent. The most notorious form is middle class {{suburb|ia}}an white kids imitating the urban black culture. Note that it's the middle class culture, not the race, that determines whether someone's a poser. You can be Asian, Native American, AmbiguouslyBrown, or even African American, and still not be able to imitate the urban culture. The end result of this usually sounds TotallyRadical to natives of said culture. These people are sometimes called "wiggers", combining the words "white" (or occasionally "wannabe," which is also useful if the person in question isn't, in fact, white) and a certain racial slur that [[NWordPrivileges white people generally avoid using]] (except for these guys, often with [[HilarityEnsues hilarious consequences]]).

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The most common form of this is likely just trying to imitate an accent. The most notorious form is middle class {{suburb|ia}}an white kids imitating the urban black culture. Note that it's the middle class culture, not the race, that determines whether someone's a poser. You can be Asian, Native American, AmbiguouslyBrown, or even African American, and still not be able to imitate the urban culture. The end result of this usually sounds TotallyRadical to natives of said culture. These people are sometimes called "wiggers", a portmanteau of combining the words "white" (or occasionally "wannabe," which is also useful if "wannabe" since the person in question isn't, in fact, may not be white) and a certain racial slur that [[NWordPrivileges white people generally avoid using]] (except for these guys, often with [[HilarityEnsues hilarious consequences]]).
consequences]]).



One common variation is white people, usually otaku, who are obsessed with Japanese culture. These people are often called "Wapanese" or, due to the efforts of 4Chan, "[[OccidentalOtaku weeaboos]]." [[note]]It is often said that you can still like the Japanese culture and not be a weaboo, but if you reject your native culture in favor of a stereotyped and distorted image of Japanese culture formed from only consuming highly stylized media, that is being a weaboo.[[/note]]

In more academic circles, this trope is usually called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation cultural appropriation]]. This happens when a member of one culture (usually a more dominant, powerful one) takes on some of the trappings of another culture, such as clothing, music, and religious or political symbols. This is usually done for the sake of glamor and exoticism with a very superficial understanding of that culture (or none at all), resulting in the culture being commodified, sexualized, oversimplified, and/or caricatured. It isn't always a bad thing though, as it can also garner interest in a deeper understanding of that culture or even become a long-standing tradition.

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One common Another variation is white people, usually otaku, who are obsessed with Japanese culture. These people are often called "Wapanese" or, due to the efforts of 4Chan, "[[OccidentalOtaku weeaboos]]." [[note]]It is often said that you can still like the Japanese culture and not be a weaboo, but if you reject your native culture in favor of a stereotyped and distorted image of Japanese culture formed from only consuming highly stylized media, that is being a weaboo.[[/note]]

In more academic circles, this trope This is usually a subtrope of a greater phenomenon called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation cultural appropriation]]. This happens appropriation]], which is when a member of one culture (usually a more dominant, powerful one) takes on some of the trappings of another culture, such as clothing, music, and religious or political symbols. This Typically (but not always) it is a member of a more dominant culture (IE those involved in colonialism) (IE MightyWhitey cultures) ripping off a less-powerful one (IE those that were colonies). It's usually done for the sake of glamor and exoticism exoticism, often with a very superficial (if not nonexistent) understanding of that culture (or none at all), resulting culture. This can result in the culture being commodified, sexualized, oversimplified, and/or caricatured. It isn't always becoming misrepresented or oversimplified. TropesAreTools, but this one is particularly fraught with complications.
* If the Cultural Appropriation is from
a bad thing though, as it can also garner interest in a deeper understanding of that less-powerful culture to a more-powerful one, it can be PlayedForLaughs on a meta-narrative level. "Sure, I got EagleLand wrong, but go look at all these Hollywood movies that got it right." But if it's a Hollywood movie that gets it wrong -- say, a movie that [[Film/FiftyShadesOfGrey completely misrepresents BDSM]] -- what do we compare it to? Films about non-dominant cultures ''by'' non-dominant cultures may not reach a wide audience or even become ''exist''. (Okay, BDSM is a long-standing tradition.
bad example, since TheInternetIsForPorn, but you see what we're getting at.)
* The upside is that sometimes Cultural Appropriation is the only means by which a wide audience gets exposed to the culture ''at all''. ThereIsNoSuchThingAsBadPublicity, after all. Besides, cultural appropriation ''can'' be performed in a respectful manner. ''Disney/{{Moana}}'', for instance, is a story about brown people by white people, and while most agree that it should've been by brown people instead, most ''also'' agree that the white people did a pretty good job of it -- for instance, by actually hiring a number of Polynesian people to work behind the scenes and guarantee some level of authenticity.
25th Jun '17 1:55:09 PM igordebraga
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* [[TropeNamers Named]] for the song "Pretty Fly (for a White Guy)" by Music/TheOffspring. It looks as though it's about race, but looking closer, it's clear the kid is just middle class, and has no idea of the actual hip-hop and ghetto culture. Thus he looks like an ass, more so in the music video where he flashes gangbanger signs to a black man and shows off his lowrider's hydraulic system to a pair of Mexicans who obviously shake their heads in consternation.

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* [[TropeNamers Named]] for the song "Pretty Fly (for a White Guy)" by Music/TheOffspring. It looks as though it's about race, but looking closer, it's clear the kid is just middle class, and has no idea of the actual hip-hop and ghetto culture. Thus he looks like an ass, more so in the music video where he flashes gangbanger signs to a black man and shows off his lowrider's hydraulic system to a pair of Mexicans who obviously shake their heads in consternation. Songwriter Dexter Holland summed up as a song about guys “from, like, Omaha, Nebraska, regular white-bread boys, but who act like they’re from Compton. It’s so fake and obvious that they’re trying to have an identity.”


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* This trope is not so common in Brazil, a country marked by miscigenation and where even [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dZpvh0c1UM one of the earliest rappers to break out was white]]. Still, there is still some {{narm}} to be found in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy5cbFxoS2M white chicks that not only attempt to rap, but also incorporate ghetto slang.]]
12th Jun '17 2:23:14 PM TheBigBopper
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12th Jun '17 2:19:17 PM TheBigBopper
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One common variation is white people, usually OccidentalOtaku, who are obsessed with Japanese culture. These people are often called "Wapanese" or, due to the efforts of 4Chan, "[[OccidentalOtaku weeaboos]]." [[note]]You can still like the Japanese culture, but if you obsess over the Anime and Manga created by Japanese artists and animation studios while disrespecting the rich culture... that, is a weeaboo.[[/note]]

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One common variation is white people, usually OccidentalOtaku, otaku, who are obsessed with Japanese culture. These people are often called "Wapanese" or, due to the efforts of 4Chan, "[[OccidentalOtaku weeaboos]]." [[note]]You [[note]]It is often said that you can still like the Japanese culture, culture and not be a weaboo, but if you obsess over the Anime reject your native culture in favor of a stereotyped and Manga created by distorted image of Japanese artists and animation studios while disrespecting the rich culture... that, culture formed from only consuming highly stylized media, that is being a weeaboo.weaboo.[[/note]]
12th Jun '17 2:13:00 PM TheBigBopper
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One common variation is white people, usually {{otaku}}, who are obsessed with Japanese culture. These people are often called "Wapanese" or, due to the efforts of 4Chan, "[[OccidentalOtaku weeaboos]]." [[note]]You can still like the Japanese culture, but if you obsess over the Anime and Manga created by Japanese artists and animation studios while disrespecting the rich culture... that, is a weeaboo.[[/note]]

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One common variation is white people, usually {{otaku}}, OccidentalOtaku, who are obsessed with Japanese culture. These people are often called "Wapanese" or, due to the efforts of 4Chan, "[[OccidentalOtaku weeaboos]]." [[note]]You can still like the Japanese culture, but if you obsess over the Anime and Manga created by Japanese artists and animation studios while disrespecting the rich culture... that, is a weeaboo.[[/note]]
10th Jun '17 1:47:15 AM Az_Tech341
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One common variation is white people, usually {{otaku}}, who are obsessed with Japanese culture. These people are often called "Wapanese" or, due to the efforts of 4Chan, "[[OccidentalOtaku weeaboos]]." [[note]]You can still like the Japanese culture, but if you obsess over the Anime and Manga created by Japanese artists and animation studios while disrespecting the rich culture... That, is a weeaboo.[[/note]]

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One common variation is white people, usually {{otaku}}, who are obsessed with Japanese culture. These people are often called "Wapanese" or, due to the efforts of 4Chan, "[[OccidentalOtaku weeaboos]]." [[note]]You can still like the Japanese culture, but if you obsess over the Anime and Manga created by Japanese artists and animation studios while disrespecting the rich culture... That, that, is a weeaboo.[[/note]]
10th Jun '17 1:46:07 AM Az_Tech341
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The most common form of this is likely just trying to imitate an accent. The most notorious form is middle class {{suburb|ia}}an white kids imitating the urban black culture. Note that it's the middle class culture, not the race, that determines whether someone's a poser. You can be Asian, Native American, AmbiguouslyBrown, or even African American, and still not be able to imitate the urban culture. The end result of this usually sounds TotallyRadical to natives of said culture. These people are sometimes called "wiggers", combining the words "white" (or occasionally "wannabe," which is also useful if the person in question isn't, in fact, white,) and a certain racial slur that [[NWordPrivileges white people generally avoid using]] (except for these guys, often with [[HilarityEnsues hilarious consequences]]).

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The most common form of this is likely just trying to imitate an accent. The most notorious form is middle class {{suburb|ia}}an white kids imitating the urban black culture. Note that it's the middle class culture, not the race, that determines whether someone's a poser. You can be Asian, Native American, AmbiguouslyBrown, or even African American, and still not be able to imitate the urban culture. The end result of this usually sounds TotallyRadical to natives of said culture. These people are sometimes called "wiggers", combining the words "white" (or occasionally "wannabe," which is also useful if the person in question isn't, in fact, white,) white) and a certain racial slur that [[NWordPrivileges white people generally avoid using]] (except for these guys, often with [[HilarityEnsues hilarious consequences]]).



One common variation is white people, usually {{otaku}}, who are obsessed with Japanese culture. These people are often called "Wapanese" or, due to the efforts of 4Chan, "[[OccidentalOtaku weeaboos]]." [[note]] You can still like the Japanese culture, but if you obsess over the Anime and Manga created by Japanese artists and animation studios while disrespecting the rich culture... That, is a weeaboo.[[/note]]

In more academic circles, this trope is usually called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation cultural appropriation]]. This happens when a member of one culture (usually a more dominant, powerful one) takes on some of the trappings of another culture, such as clothing, music, and religious or political symbols. This is usually done for the sake of glamor and exoticism with a very superficial understanding of that culture (or none at all), resulting in the culture being commodified, sexualized, oversimplified, and/or caricatured. It isn't always a bad thing though as it can also garner interest in a deeper understanding of that culture or even become a long-standing tradition.

This trope has some similarities to {{blackface}}. The difference is that blackface is done to deliberately mock black people, while this trope is usually done out of admiration or [[ForeignCultureFetish fetishization]] of black culture. However, if it's not done carefully, this trope can appear just as insulting as blackface. Also see ModernMinstrelsy.

Contrast MightyWhitey for when a white person enters a non-white culture and becomes its greatest member, and TheWhitestBlackGuy for when one has trouble fully identifying with one's own group.

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One common variation is white people, usually {{otaku}}, who are obsessed with Japanese culture. These people are often called "Wapanese" or, due to the efforts of 4Chan, "[[OccidentalOtaku weeaboos]]." [[note]] You [[note]]You can still like the Japanese culture, but if you obsess over the Anime and Manga created by Japanese artists and animation studios while disrespecting the rich culture... That, is a weeaboo.[[/note]]

In more academic circles, this trope is usually called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation cultural appropriation]]. This happens when a member of one culture (usually a more dominant, powerful one) takes on some of the trappings of another culture, such as clothing, music, and religious or political symbols. This is usually done for the sake of glamor and exoticism with a very superficial understanding of that culture (or none at all), resulting in the culture being commodified, sexualized, oversimplified, and/or caricatured. It isn't always a bad thing though though, as it can also garner interest in a deeper understanding of that culture or even become a long-standing tradition.

This trope has some similarities to {{blackface}}. The difference is that blackface is done to deliberately mock black people, people deliberately, while this trope is usually done out of admiration or [[ForeignCultureFetish fetishization]] of black culture. However, if it's not done carefully, this trope can appear just as insulting as blackface. Also see ModernMinstrelsy.

Contrast MightyWhitey for when a white person enters a non-white culture and becomes its greatest member, and TheWhitestBlackGuy for when one has trouble fully identifying fully-identifying with one's own group.
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