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28th May '17 10:26:22 AM gb00393
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** Roose Bolton is furious at his son Ramsay's torture and mutilation of Theon Greyjoy into madness - because it has destroyed Theon's usefulness to him as a valuable hostage. Roose also points out that Ramsay's habit of offering mercy to enemies who surrender, then torturing and executing them anyway, means that now ''no one'' is willing to surrender to them. He later points out that by [[spoiler:repeatedly raping and abusing Sansa, thus driving her to escape]], Ramsay made the same mistake that he did with Theon, [[spoiler:thereby costing the Boltons the chance at having a marriage and heir that would alow them to control the North]].

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** Roose Bolton Bolton:
*** Roose was genuinely shocked and upset when Locke arrived with Jaime missing his sword-hand. He's fine with torture but pointless brutality is obviously distasteful to him. Not because of morality, but because it risked damaging his attempt to curry favor with Tywin Lannister and that's a man even Roose doesn't want to cross by maiming his eldest son.
*** Roose
is furious at his son Ramsay's torture and mutilation of Theon Greyjoy into madness - because it has destroyed Theon's usefulness to him as a valuable hostage. Roose originally wanted to exchange Theon for Ironborn-occupied Moat Cailin, but King Balon would never consider giving up this strategic stronghold for a useless heir, since Theon can no longer sustain their line. Ramsay notes that he already made the offer before, but Balon didn't even consider it. He makes this point rather firmly to Ramsay, who flays people for not paying their taxes.
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Roose also points out that Ramsay's habit of offering mercy to enemies who surrender, then torturing and executing them anyway, means that now ''no one'' is willing to surrender to them. them.
*** Roose's entire motivation for legitimizing Ramsay. While he does not think highly of him, Roose knows that he is in need of an heir, especially if he is not able to sire an heir from Walda.
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He later points out that by [[spoiler:repeatedly raping and abusing Sansa, thus driving her to escape]], Ramsay made the same mistake that he did with Theon, [[spoiler:thereby costing the Boltons the chance at having a marriage and heir that would alow them to control the North]].North]].
*** Overall this deconstructed with him: He's capable of being a pragmatic villain and would love for his subordinates to be, but his ruthlessness, treachery and general psychopathology ensure that only sadists, sociopaths and the psychologically broken are willing to work for him. His approach to child-rearing also seems to have some amount of responsibility for transforming his only viable heir into a raving sadistic maniac.
26th May '17 7:23:44 AM NoxSky12599
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---> '''Corran''': Yeah, a refueling station might blow up really pretty, and might even set half a city on fire, but that's not the objective here. Look, you can kill a woolly-nerf and make a coat out of its skin, or you can shear the beast's coat and come back year after year for more wool. We play this right, six months from now we show up in the system, send a list of demands and they'll freighter the loot out to us.
23rd May '17 2:08:20 AM Shadowgazer
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** It's also a bad move because killing a beloved friar could cause a peasant rebellion.
20th May '17 3:37:33 PM Theokal3
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* The very reason the Series/FlandersCompany was created in-universe: after years spent slaughtering each other with no control, both supervillains and superheroes became aware of the high mortality rate, and villains widely agreed that, as fun as it was to kill indiscriminately, it really was more lucrative and beneficial for them to respect a specific set a rules (including not killing heroes or their relatives without permission and always letting the good guys win) in exchange for money. The few times the option or returning to the old system is suggested, most villains make it clear that none of them really miss that time.

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* The very reason the Series/FlandersCompany was created in-universe: after years spent slaughtering each other with no control, both supervillains and superheroes became aware of the high mortality rate, and villains widely agreed that, as fun as it was to kill indiscriminately, it really was more lucrative and beneficial for them to respect a specific set a rules (including not killing heroes or their relatives without permission and always letting the good guys win) follow ContractualGenreBlindness in exchange for money.getting paid. The few times the option or returning to the old system is suggested, most villains make it clear that none of them really miss that time.
20th May '17 3:35:37 PM Theokal3
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* The very reason the Series/FlandersCompany was created in-universe.

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* The very reason the Series/FlandersCompany was created in-universe.in-universe: after years spent slaughtering each other with no control, both supervillains and superheroes became aware of the high mortality rate, and villains widely agreed that, as fun as it was to kill indiscriminately, it really was more lucrative and beneficial for them to respect a specific set a rules (including not killing heroes or their relatives without permission and always letting the good guys win) in exchange for money. The few times the option or returning to the old system is suggested, most villains make it clear that none of them really miss that time.
19th May '17 10:54:40 AM Gravidef
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* In the ''Series/{{Monk}}'' episode "Mr. Monk Goes to Jail," it's revealed that the titular detective's ArchEnemy [[Fiction500 Dale]] [[FatBastard "the Whale"]] [[MagnificentBastard Biederbeck]] follows this philosophy--he won't commit a crime unless it benefits him in some way. Specifically, Dale is accused of murdering a fellow inmate who was already on death row; the man owed him $1,200, so the cops think the financier either killed him for the money or to send a message to the other inmates about double-crossing him. Dale scoffs at these ideas: he's already insanely rich ("I wouldn't bend over to pick up $1,200...I mean, even if I ''could''"), and his reputation most definitely proceeds him. He even [[EnemyMine hires Monk to solve the case and clear his name]] in exchange for information on Trudy's death...which is ultimately revealed to be part of an [[XanatosGambit elaborate plot]] to get Monk framed for a murder that Dale is planning ''years'' from now.

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* In the ''Series/{{Monk}}'' episode "Mr. Monk Goes to Jail," it's revealed that the titular detective's ArchEnemy [[Fiction500 Dale]] [[FatBastard "the Whale"]] [[MagnificentBastard Biederbeck]] follows this philosophy--he won't commit a crime unless it benefits him in some way. Specifically, Dale is accused of murdering a fellow inmate who was already on death row; the man owed him $1,200, so the cops think the financier either killed him for the money or to send a message to the other inmates about double-crossing him.how powerful he is. Dale scoffs at these ideas: he's already insanely rich ("I wouldn't bend over to pick up $1,200...I mean, even if I ''could''"), and his reputation most definitely proceeds him.precedes him, especially in the criminal world. He even [[EnemyMine hires Monk to solve the case and clear his name]] in exchange for information on Trudy's death...which is ultimately revealed to be part of an [[XanatosGambit elaborate plot]] to get Monk framed for a murder that Dale is planning ''years'' from now.
19th May '17 10:52:29 AM Gravidef
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* In the ''Series/{{Monk}}'' episode "Mr. Monk Goes to Jail," it's revealed that the titular detective's ArchEnemy [[Fiction500 Dale]] [[FatBastard "the Whale"]] [[MagnificentBastard Biederbeck]] follows this philosophy--he won't commit a crime unless it benefits him in some way. Specifically, Dale is accused of murdering a fellow inmate who was already on death row; the man owed him $1,200, so the cops think the financier either killed him for the money or to send a message to the other inmates about double-crossing him. Dale scoffs at these ideas: he's already insanely rich ("I wouldn't bend over to pick up $1,200...I mean, even if I ''could''"), and his reputation most definitely proceeds him. He even [[EnemyMine hires Monk to solve the case and clear his name]] in exchange for information on Trudy's death...which is ultimately revealed to be part of an [[XanatosGambit elaborate plot]] to get Monk framed for a murder that Dale is planning ''years'' from now.
8th May '17 1:36:41 PM Eddy1215
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* In ''Film/WhoFramedRoggerRabbit'', when Judge Doom and his weasels were searching the bar where Eddie and Roger were hiding, Doom nixed the weasels' suggestion to ransack the bar to find Roger because it would be quicker to get Roger to come out with the 'Shave and a Haircut trick', Toons being unable to resist saying "Two Bits".

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* In ''Film/WhoFramedRoggerRabbit'', ''Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit'', when Judge Doom and his weasels were searching the bar where Eddie and Roger were hiding, Doom nixed the weasels' suggestion to ransack the bar to find Roger because it would be quicker to get Roger to come out with the 'Shave and a Haircut trick', Toons being unable to resist saying "Two Bits".
8th May '17 1:35:21 PM Eddy1215
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* In ''Film/WhoFramedRoggerRabbit'', when Judge Doom and his weasels were searching the bar where Eddie and Roger were hiding, Doom nixed the weasels' suggestion to ransack the bar to find Roger because it would be quicker to get Roger to come out with the 'Shave and a Haircut trick', Toons being unable to resist saying "Two Bits".
7th May '17 11:30:05 PM ultimomant
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** Grand King Ghidorah, also an OmnicidalManiac, briefly gets into a fight with Starlight Glimmer, who actually manages to affect him with her spells and drain his power before getting knocked out. Ghidorah considers killing her, but impressed by her power, decides she is much more useful alive and brainwashes her to target Godzilla Junior, noting that he can kill her after she has drained his enemy and made him easier to defeat.
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