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14th Aug '17 2:42:23 PM Gregzilla
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** In ''TabletopGame/SirenTheDrowning'', while [[TheHunter Flensers]] will sometimes rely on [[ToxicInc willingly polluting an area]] to attract Sirens, even the least moral of them usually avoid resorting to this if possible, because [[RealityEnsues it typically also gets the attention of mortal ecologists and authorities, who can quickly shut down an entire Flenser institution because of this]].

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** In ''TabletopGame/SirenTheDrowning'', while [[TheHunter [[HunterOfMonsters Flensers]] will sometimes rely on [[ToxicInc willingly polluting an area]] to attract Sirens, even the least moral of them usually avoid resorting to this if possible, because [[RealityEnsues it typically also gets the attention of mortal ecologists and authorities, who can quickly shut down an entire Flenser institution because of this]].
13th Aug '17 3:25:21 PM Bugfragged
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* In ''LightNovel/IzureShinwaNoRagnarok'', the warring gods put their previous war on hold when they realized they were razing the very lands that they were fighting over. Their current rules now limit them to an island for their battlefield.
10th Aug '17 4:07:15 PM EnigmusPrime
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** Harley Quinn has a similar moment earlier in the story, when she points out a major flaw in Ivy's [[BlackWidow plan]]: if they flat out kill Bruce, then the various young wards he's taken in will swarm in to battle for the inheritance, slinging all sorts of slander her and Ivy's way. And even if nothing was ever tied to the two of them, the media would have enough of a field day to make their legitimacy as heirs highly questionable. Ergo, one of them (namely Harley) should at least get pregnant first, so that they'll at least get something for child support.
10th Aug '17 9:28:08 AM Peridonyx
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** The season sixth premiere revealed why King Sombra hid the Crystal Heart away rather than destroy it so it couldn't be used to stop him: its magic was the only thing protecting the Crystal Empire from the dangerous weather surrounding it.

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** The season sixth premiere revealed why King Sombra hid the Crystal Heart away rather than destroy it so it couldn't be used to stop him: its magic was the only thing protecting the Crystal Empire from the dangerous weather surrounding it. And even before that revelation, it was already [[http://orig12.deviantart.net/16e7/f/2012/357/5/2/sombra_stained_glass_window_vector_by_phantombadger-d5m8i9j.png implied]] that he wanted to convert it from an AchillesHeel to an ArtifactOfDoom.
8th Aug '17 7:51:47 PM TheSinful
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** Harry later convinces Slytherins not to use the slur "mudblood" by pointing out that not only is such language unbecoming of someone of their upbringing, but it's a rather foolish idea to potentially insult someone who might have more power (magical or political) than you.
2nd Aug '17 1:42:36 PM gb00393
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** Cersei is clearly appalled by [[spoiler: Joffrey's decision to have Eddard executed, knowing that Ned's survival was the only way to prevent war with the North]], and indeed she had preferred [[spoiler:simply exiling Eddard Stark to the Night's Watch]].

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** Despite generally being StupidEvil, there are a few moments when even Cersei realizes that petty revenge is a bad idea.
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is clearly appalled by [[spoiler: Joffrey's decision to have Eddard executed, knowing full well that a tame wolf is better than a dead one and that Ned's survival was the only way to prevent war with the North]], and indeed she had preferred [[spoiler:simply exiling stripping Eddard Stark of his lands and titles and having him exiled to the Night's Watch]].Watch]]. There is an element of EvenEvilHasStandards here, albeit expressed in a cruel IronicEcho: since Ned planned to exile her rather than allowing her and her children to be murdered, it is sort of "fair" to "only" plan to exile the Starks rather than killing them.
*** In the second season, even she seems taken aback by Joffrey's order to kill Robert's bastard children, not necessarily because of personal standards, but because something like murdering children and babies draws the wrong type of attention. She even seems offended that Tyrion initially thinks she was the one who ordered it, though in the books, the purge of Robert's bastards was all her idea and Joffrey was unaware/uncaring of it, making for another point where Tyrion had to rein her in. However, she's also too prideful to admit Joffrey was wrong to do so.
30th Jul '17 10:34:19 AM Discar
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* ''Literature/SufficientlyAdvancedMagic2017'': Part of the reason that Corin refuses to work with [[spoiler:Professor Orden]] (besides the moral objections) is because the organization keeps taking massive risks in order to advance their country's place in the world, but if they make any mistake along the way, their entire nation could be wiped out. Corin just isn't willing to work with people so reckless.
26th Jul '17 8:49:33 PM TheNerevarine
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** Also in this same comic, [[TheChessmaster Black Sabbat]] stops [[DumbMuscle Atilla the Hun]] from murdering [[TheHero Requiem]] for the heinous crime of being ''[[BadIsGoodAndGoodIsBad kind and honorable]]'' (which by Hell standards, its considered [[CrapsackWorld quite objectionable]]) by pointing out they need every available vampire knight to fight their wars and they can't afford to waste their forces. Of course, Sabbat has ulterior plans for Requiem too so that is why he had him spared.



* ''ComicBook/{{Crimson}}'': Victor Van Fleet is a [[CorruptPolitician corrupt US senator]] and secretly a VampireMonarch in league with the BigBad to take over the world. However, he is extremely unhappy when [[spoiler:dragons are unleashed from Hell and cause devastation upon the world]], not because of any particular moral reservations over innocents being hurt, but because it threatens his [[VillainWithGoodPublicity public image]]. He is concerned he will be seen as a collaborator and a traitor, instead of a proper leader. [[spoiler:When the BigBad reveals that [[OmnicidalManiac her master goal is to unmake reality]], Van Fleet turns on her and helps the main protagonist because he realizes that he wouldn't get to rule over anything if she ever succeeded in her plans]].

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* ''ComicBook/{{Crimson}}'': Victor Van Fleet is a [[CorruptPolitician corrupt US senator]] and secretly a VampireMonarch in league with the BigBad to take over the world. However, he is extremely unhappy when [[spoiler:dragons are unleashed from Hell and cause devastation upon the world]], not because of any particular moral reservations over innocents being hurt, but because it threatens his [[VillainWithGoodPublicity public image]]. He is concerned he will be seen as a [[TheQuisling collaborator and a traitor, traitor]], instead of a proper leader. [[spoiler:When the BigBad reveals that [[OmnicidalManiac her master goal is to unmake reality]], Van Fleet turns on her and helps the main protagonist because he realizes that he wouldn't get to rule over anything if she ever succeeded in her plans]].


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* Count Dracula from Marvel's ''ComicBook/TheTombOfDracula'' had previously tried to gain supreme power or take over the world on separate occasions, but he was foiled each time by different heroes over the years. He decided to sit back and have vampires hide in the shadows away from human eyes because they couldn't possibly compete with other superhumans on Earth, as well as because they prospered better while hidden. This angered his son Xarus, who attempted a coup on him in ''ComicBook/CurseOfTheMutants''. That doesn't mean his conquest aspirations are dead and buried: after the superhero community was thrown into disorder by the events of ''ComicBook/{{Infinity}}'' which saw the Terrigen cloud awakening Inhumans around the world and poisoning mutants, Dracula tried to take advantage of the superhero community being in disarray to stage a invasion, though he ended up being stopped by ComicBook/OldManLogan.
26th Jul '17 1:12:33 PM ironballs16
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** One of Tywin Lannister's defining features, as he saw his house nearly destroyed by his good-hearted and gentle father. As a result, Tywin is brutal and vicious, but (he believes) only when there is a profit to be gained from it; for example, when he rides into a camp and finds his men randomly torturing and executing prisoners, he immediately gives them a dressing down for wasting valuable manpower during war time. Instead, he starts asking the prisoners their trades, and orders his men to put them to work. But when he suspects an assassin attempting to kill him, he immediately orders a decimation of the garrison, along with torture and interrogation of anyone suspected of aiding or knowing about the assassin. Later, his retort for [[spoiler: arranging the "Red Wedding" is "Explain to me why it is more noble to kill ten thousand men in battle than a dozen at dinner."]] He is also fair and generous to his enemies after they surrender to him, not because he cares about them in any way... but because, as he points out to Joffrey, if you crush people who submit then no one will be willing to surrender in the future. In the books, it was mentioned that he's had enough of that last one after Aerys II violated that maxim by executing Houses Darklyn and Hollard after they capitulated. Tywin also disapproved of The Mountain's brutal murder of the Targaryen Children... gentle words and a soft pillow could have done the job with much less fuss. He also grudgingly respects Tyrion's political acumen and adaptability, putting his skills to use instead of just ignoring him altogether. Even naming Tyrion the Master of Coin, a job Tyrion himself balks at because he's never managed wealth in his life, seems to be because he believes Tyrion will do a good job. However, this is bizarrely averted during the Harrenhall arc. He recognizes Arya as a highborn girl and instead of doing what we would expect from his character (or from any sensible person in that situation) determining her identity to see if she can be used as a hostage or bargaining material with someone he decides to... uh, chat with her. And then leave her with Ser Gregor's crew.

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** One of Tywin Lannister's defining features, as he saw his house nearly destroyed by his good-hearted and gentle father. As a result, Tywin is brutal and vicious, but (he believes) only when there is a profit to be gained from it; for example, when he rides into a camp and finds his men randomly torturing and executing prisoners, he immediately gives them a dressing down for wasting valuable manpower during war time. Instead, he starts asking the prisoners their trades, and orders his men to put them to work. But when he suspects an assassin attempting to kill him, he immediately orders a decimation of the garrison, along with torture and interrogation of anyone suspected of aiding or knowing about the assassin. Later, his retort for [[spoiler: arranging the "Red Wedding" is "Explain to me why it is more noble to kill ten thousand men in battle than a dozen at dinner."]] He is also fair and generous to his enemies after they surrender to him, not because he cares about them in any way... but because, as he points out to Joffrey, if you crush people who submit then no one will be willing to surrender in the future. In the books, it was mentioned that he's had enough of that last one after Aerys II violated that maxim by executing Houses Darklyn and Hollard after they capitulated. Tywin also disapproved of The Mountain's brutal murder of the Targaryen Children... [[VorpalPillow gentle words and a soft pillow could have done the job with much less fuss.fuss]]. He also grudgingly respects Tyrion's political acumen and adaptability, putting his skills to use instead of just ignoring him altogether. Even naming Tyrion the Master of Coin, a job Tyrion himself balks at because he's never managed wealth in his life, seems to be because he believes Tyrion will do a good job. However, this is bizarrely averted during the Harrenhall arc. He recognizes Arya as a highborn girl and instead of doing what we would expect from his character (or from any sensible person in that situation) determining her identity to see if she can be used as a hostage or bargaining material with someone he decides to... uh, chat with her. And then leave her with Ser Gregor's crew.
25th Jul '17 3:37:49 PM Morgenthaler
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* Crowley from ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' is all about this. He's willing and eager to work with the Winchesters or even angels if it means furthering his goals, and doesn't KickTheDog unless it benefits him in some way. He ''strictly'' follows one rule: [[IGaveMyWord you make a deal, you keep it]], even if breaking the deal would be more beneficial to him. Normally someone makes a DealWithTheDevil they get 10 years of life before their soul is claimed, and Crowley is outraged with one of his followers for abusing a loophole to come for them early:

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* Crowley from ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' is all about this. He's a demon who's willing and eager to work with the Winchesters or even angels if it means furthering his goals, and doesn't KickTheDog unless it benefits him in some way. He ''strictly'' follows one rule: [[IGaveMyWord you make a deal, you keep it]], even if breaking the deal would be more beneficial to him. Normally someone makes a DealWithTheDevil they get 10 years of life before their soul is claimed, and Crowley is outraged with one of his followers for abusing a loophole to come for them early:
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