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25th May '16 11:47:00 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''Franchise/HarryPotter'' Voldemort is as much of a BadBoss as this trope allows it. PragmaticVillainy and all this prevents him from wantonly murdering his pawns and only tortures them to scare them, with two exceptions and both had a pragmatic motive [[spoiler:once to keep them from learning about the Horcruxes and secondly when sacrificing a minion (even one of the best ones) would be the key to unlimited power]]. Also he is willing to play the role of the good boss who rewards whoever serves him well handsomely because it helps cultivate his image that he is not ungrateful and that he is close to each of his henchmen (which is a lie).

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* ''Franchise/HarryPotter'' Voldemort is as much of a BadBoss as this trope allows it. PragmaticVillainy Pragmatic Villainy and all this prevents him from wantonly murdering his pawns and only tortures them to scare them, with two exceptions and both had a pragmatic motive [[spoiler:once to keep them from learning about the Horcruxes and secondly when sacrificing a minion (even one of the best ones) would be the key to unlimited power]]. Also he is willing to play the role of the good boss who rewards whoever serves him well handsomely because it helps cultivate his image that he is not ungrateful and that he is close to each of his henchmen (which is a lie).
25th May '16 11:38:50 AM Shadowgazer
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* ''Franchise/HarryPotter'' Voldemort is as much of a BadBoss as this trope allows it. PragmaticVillainy and all this prevents him from wantonly murdering his pawns and only tortures them to scare them, with two exceptions and both had a pragmatic motive [[spoiler:once to keep them from learning about the Horcruxes and secondly when sacrificing a minion (even one of the best ones) would be the key to unlimited power]].

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* ''Franchise/HarryPotter'' Voldemort is as much of a BadBoss as this trope allows it. PragmaticVillainy and all this prevents him from wantonly murdering his pawns and only tortures them to scare them, with two exceptions and both had a pragmatic motive [[spoiler:once to keep them from learning about the Horcruxes and secondly when sacrificing a minion (even one of the best ones) would be the key to unlimited power]]. Also he is willing to play the role of the good boss who rewards whoever serves him well handsomely because it helps cultivate his image that he is not ungrateful and that he is close to each of his henchmen (which is a lie).
23rd May '16 10:28:54 AM ScytheTheWicked
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** When the Three Fiends make a DealWithTheDevil with [[spoiler:Vaarsuvius]], he is suspicious that they are trying to trick him in some manner. The Fiends reply, no, they are being perfectly fair in their deal, and they actually ''are''. One of them says "We simply don't need to trick you when we can get what we want by playing it straight."

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** When the Three Fiends make a DealWithTheDevil with [[spoiler:Vaarsuvius]], he [[spoiler:Vaarsuvius]] is suspicious that they are trying to trick him them in some manner. The Fiends reply, no, they are being perfectly fair in their deal, and they actually ''are''. One of them says "We simply don't need to trick you when we can get what we want by playing it straight."
22nd May '16 8:16:09 AM TrollBrutal
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* ''Fanfic/TheUltimateEvil'': In addition to telling Valerie where Hsi Wu is keeping Jade, Shendu also reveals that [[spoiler: Jade is Hsi Wu's Other]]. When asked why Shendu would sell out his brother like this, he admits that this way his sibling can't be on equal standing as him.
22nd May '16 8:03:46 AM ZimFan89
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* In a chapter of ''Fanfic/TheNuptialverse'' series, [[https://www.fimfiction.net/story/147356/21/direction/the-victor-go-the-spoils Directions]]. [[spoiler:Discord scolds Queen Chrysalis for trying to kill the Mane Five,]] in that doing so would alert the llamas of their presence and they no longer provide a threat [[spoiler:without Twilight.]]

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* In a chapter of ''Direction'', the third story in ''Fanfic/TheNuptialverse'' series, [[https://www.fimfiction.net/story/147356/21/direction/the-victor-go-the-spoils Directions]]. [[spoiler:Discord scolds Queen Chrysalis for trying to kill the Mane Five,]] Five]], in that doing so would alert the llamas of their presence presence, and besides that, they no longer provide a threat [[spoiler:without Twilight.]]


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* ''Fanfic/TheUltimateEvil'': In addition to telling Valerie where Hsi Wu is keeping Jade, Shendu also reveals that [[spoiler: Jade is Hsi Wu's Other]]. When asked why Shendu would sell out his brother like this, he admits that this way his sibling can't be on equal standing as him.
20th May '16 5:19:14 PM TheSinful
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* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2565609/135/Odd-Ideas Dungeons and Drow]]'', the titular Drow is told by her new owner (Literature/HarryPotter) that he doesn't plan to rape or torture her for the same reason she wouldn't use her concealed dagger to chip stone: it ruins a useful tool to accomplish something meaningless.
18th May '16 6:03:01 AM Euodiachloris
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': This work constantly reminds us that Stupid (either StupidEvil or StupidGood) has a price, so makes the Pragmatic stuff that much [[EvilIsCool shinier]] by comparison (even if Pragnmatism also tends to come at a less acute, [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating predictable price]] further down the line).

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': This work constantly reminds us that Stupid (either StupidEvil or StupidGood) has a price, so makes the Pragmatic stuff that much [[EvilIsCool shinier]] by comparison (even if Pragnmatism cold pragmatism also tends to come at a less acute, [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating predictable price]] further down the line).



** [[RoyalBrat Viserys Targaryen]] shows off some of his lovely StupidEvil moves when he chooses to insult a whole hall stuffed full of [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy "barbarians"]] [[AlcoholInducedIdiocy while drunk]]. Unsurprisingly, this doesn't end well. That's just one of his more impressive moments, though: he had plenty, far less impressive examples like that one in the tank. Why is this here? Because his sister, Daenerys Targaryen, resolves from then on that, should she ''have'' to be nasty to regain the throne, she'll try to be neither as Stupid nor as unnecessarily Evil (when Good is not an option) with it. She's making her own mistakes, sure: but, she's been careful to ''not'' duplicate her brother's. She's somewhere between being a learner PragmaticHero and Villain, as a result. Depending on who you ask.
** [[EvilIsPetty House]] [[SacredHospitality Frey]]: [[{{Troll}} We Insult and Enrage People Wholesale]]... all while ''thinking'' they're being Pragmatic, in a notable inversion of the trope (or an outright defiance after acknowledging its existence). No, really. Most '''''genuinely''''' think this is good business (we're ''really'' not joking, here). Which only makes the Stupid that much ''worse'' when you read it. Even [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Cersei]] isn't as bad when it comes to [[SmugSnake delusional competency]], as she actually ''has'' some basic understanding of what "''Pragmatic Villainy''" means[[note]]she, for one, had advised simply exiling Ned Stark to the Night's Watch[[/note]], even while she chooses to try twisting reality to fit her [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity bonkers outlook]] and, therefore, becomes increasingly unable to use it.

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** [[RoyalBrat Viserys Targaryen]] shows off some of his lovely StupidEvil moves when he chooses to insult a whole hall stuffed full of [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy "barbarians"]] [[AlcoholInducedIdiocy while drunk]]. Unsurprisingly, this doesn't end well. That's just one of his more impressive moments, though: he had plenty, far [[EvilIsPetty less impressive impressive]] examples like than that one in the tank. Why is this here? Because his sister, Daenerys Targaryen, resolves from then on that, should she ''have'' to be nasty to regain the throne, she'll try to be neither as Stupid nor as unnecessarily Evil (when Good is not an option) with it. She's making her own mistakes, sure: but, she's been careful to ''not'' directly duplicate her brother's. She's somewhere between being a learner PragmaticHero and Villain, Villain with a spotty record, as a result. Depending on who you ask.
** [[EvilIsPetty House]] [[SacredHospitality Frey]]: [[{{Troll}} We Insult and Enrage People Wholesale]]... all while ''thinking'' they're being Pragmatic, in a notable inversion of the trope (or an outright defiance after acknowledging its existence). No, really. Most '''''genuinely''''' think this is good business with no hint of irony (we're ''really'' not joking, here). Which only makes the Stupid that much ''worse'' when you read it. Even [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Cersei]] isn't as bad when it comes to [[SmugSnake delusional competency]], as she actually ''has'' some basic understanding of what "''Pragmatic Villainy''" means[[note]]she, for one, had advised simply exiling Ned Stark to the Night's Watch[[/note]], even while she chooses to try twisting reality to fit her [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity bonkers outlook]] and, therefore, becomes increasingly unable to use it.
15th May '16 2:54:52 PM ultimomant
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* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': Even when he considered himself a villain, Accelerator buys his groceries and meals instead of taking it by force. When questioned about this by Last Order, he explains that although he's powerful enough to just take anything he wants, it's too much hassle to have to deal with the authorities and others futilely trying to fight him off. Buying stuff without making a fuss means he gets it quickly and without any problems.



** Roose Bolton is also extremely pragmatic, with his preference for "a quiet land and a quiet people". This leads to some annoyance with his son's open and increasingly inconvenient sadism. He gets a Crowning Moment Of Pragmatic Villainy after his son expresses a desire to flay a noblewoman who doesn't like him and make her skin into footwear. She's actually a useful political ally with a decent levy-army, so...

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** Roose Bolton is also extremely pragmatic, with his preference for "a quiet land and a quiet people". This leads to some annoyance with his son's son Ramsey's open and increasingly inconvenient sadism. He gets a Crowning Moment Of Pragmatic Villainy after his son expresses a desire to flay a noblewoman who doesn't like him and make her skin into footwear. She's actually a useful political ally with a decent levy-army, so...
14th May '16 9:40:54 AM Mooncalf
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** The Garrets are willing to aid the Followers in fighting addiction in their customers, because addicts cause more trouble than they're worth and scare off the more profitable tourist clientele. (May touch on EvenEvilHasStandards since - bad reputation aside - they never do anything really bad in-game, and value a good reputation.)
6th May '16 8:27:23 AM Peridonyx
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* ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros''' Bowser. At times he helps the Mario Brothers and other people, only because he wants to be the only one to take over the Mushroom Kingdom. Also, since his goal is [[EvilVersusOblivion conquest and not destruction]], he'll assist the Mario Brothers so that others can't destroy what he wants to conquer.

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Bowser. At times he helps the Mario Brothers and other people, only because he wants to be the only one to take over the Mushroom Kingdom. Also, since his goal is [[EvilVersusOblivion conquest and not destruction]], he'll assist the Mario Brothers so that others can't destroy what he wants to conquer.conquer.
** ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'''s Dimentio is perhaps one of the darkest-ever takes on this trope. He repeatedly helps the heroes from behind the scenes... but is actually '''''far''''' worse than the [[AntiVillain main villain]], only doing this to be able to [[spoiler:weaken said villain enough so that his ArtifactOfDoom can ultimately be stolen for Dimentio's own ends. In the end, he even decides to subvert this trope altogether by using the last of his power to attempt a multiversal TakingYouWithMe out of sheer spite.]]
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