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13th Jan '17 6:57:31 PM flamemario12
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** Taken UpToEleven with Mega Rayquaza in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'', which was so ridiculously powerful that it caused Website/{{Smogon}} to restructure the way [[CharacterTiers tiers]] work. Before, "Ubers" was technically the banlist, but Mega Rayquaza was decided to be too powerful even for it, thus "Ubers" was reclassified as a proper tier, while a new tier (appropriately named "Anything Goes") was created to allow Mega Rayquaza to be used along with some items and abilities that are otherwise banned in all other tiers.
** That said, ''Pokémon'' is also a subversion in that many monsters from early versions of the game also frequently get new moves, abilities, evolutions and other changes to mechanics that make them much more playable. One such change was dividing all attacks into being physical or special, rather than one or the other based on its type. This allowed many Pokemon to make better use of their attacking stats.[[labelnote:*]]For example, the Kingler line has high Attack power, but since Water-type attacks were originally special in nature (thus running off its lower Special Attack), Kingler's then-SecretArt Crabhammer wasn't very useful. In newer games, Crabhammer is considered a physical attack and runs off Kingler's Attack stat, allowing it to do a lot more damage.[[/labelnote]]

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** Taken UpToEleven with Mega Rayquaza in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'', which was so ridiculously powerful that it caused Website/{{Smogon}} to restructure the way [[CharacterTiers tiers]] work. Before, "Ubers" was technically the banlist, but Mega Rayquaza was decided to be too powerful even for it, thus "Ubers" was reclassified as a proper tier, while a new tier (appropriately named "Anything Goes") was created to allow Mega Rayquaza to be used along with some items and abilities that are otherwise banned in all other tiers.
** That said,
''Pokémon'' is also a subversion in that many monsters from early versions of the game also frequently get new moves, abilities, evolutions and other changes to mechanics that make them much more playable. One such change was dividing all attacks into being physical or special, rather than one or the other based on its type. This allowed many Pokemon to make better use of their attacking stats.[[labelnote:*]]For example, the Kingler line has high Attack power, but since Water-type attacks were originally special in nature (thus running off its lower Special Attack), Kingler's then-SecretArt SecretArt Crabhammer wasn't very useful. In newer games, Crabhammer is considered a physical attack and runs off Kingler's Attack stat, allowing it to do a lot more damage.[[/labelnote]]
12th Jan '17 6:50:06 PM Nicoaln
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** If you want a more ''direct'' example of Power Creep, just take a look at these two cards introduced in ''The Grand Tournament'' expansion: Evil Heckler is exactly the same as Booty Bay Bodyguard (A 5-Mana 5/4 minion with Taunt), but costs 1 Mana less, and Ice Rager marginally beats out the infamously bad [[GlassCannon Magma Rager]] in usefulness by the merit of having ''a single point of Health more'' than Magma Rager (as a 5/2, as opposed to a 5/1).

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** If you want a more ''direct'' example of Power Creep, just take a look at these Players actually called this with two cards introduced in ''The Grand Tournament'' expansion: Evil Heckler is exactly the same as Booty Bay Bodyguard (A 5-Mana 5/4 minion with Taunt), but costs 1 Mana less, and Ice Rager marginally beats out the infamously bad [[GlassCannon Magma Rager]] in usefulness by the merit of having ''a single point of Health more'' than Magma Rager (as a 5/2, as opposed to a 5/1).5/1). This was acknowledged by Blizzard, and even parodied (see below). However, as pointed out by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC0cvwnG0Ik Extra Credits]], Neither Magma Rager ''nor'' Booty Bay Bodyguard ever saw use except as throwaways by new players who didn't have anything better.
5th Jan '17 10:56:20 AM TokoWH
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** The game's PowerCreep is so infamous, these days, it's become somewhat of a poster boy for PowerCreep in tabletop games. The most infamous example from the ARC-V era has to be Zoodiacs, an archetype designed to be so powerful that ''[[https://kensir096.blogspot.sg/2017/01/this-is-what-happens-when-you-play-too.html many Japanese card shops refused to have them legal in their tournaments out of protest]]''. When Zoodiacs were released, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc_3A2YaK1g the OCG metagame consisted of nothing else than Zoodiac decks and Zoodiac hybrid decks]]. This example has become so infamous that many are using as an example of how ''not'' to design an archetype for a cardgame, and why PowerCreep in games can be a very, very bad thing.
3rd Dec '16 8:53:02 PM Vir
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* ''''VideoGame/MapleStory'' takes this trope and ''runs'' with it. Character power levels in the newest version are astronomical compared to those in the original but to their credit Wizet often overhauls old classes to the point where they can at least keep up with the latest big thing.

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* ''''VideoGame/MapleStory'' ''VideoGame/MapleStory'' takes this trope and ''runs'' with it. Character power levels in the newest version are astronomical compared to those in the original but to their credit Wizet often overhauls old classes to the point where they can at least keep up with the latest big thing.
14th Oct '16 3:35:31 PM nombretomado
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This concept is discussed along with ways to circumvent it by ''WebVideo/ExtraCredits'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxszx60ZwGw here]] and again [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZnjwdStzUc here]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3b3hDvRjJA here]].

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This concept is discussed along with ways to circumvent it by ''WebVideo/ExtraCredits'' ''WebAnimation/ExtraCredits'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxszx60ZwGw here]] and again [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZnjwdStzUc here]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3b3hDvRjJA here]].
24th Sep '16 4:23:13 AM SpinAttaxx
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** That said, ''Pokémon'' is also a subversion in that many monsters from early versions of the game also frequently get new moves, abilities, evolutions and other changes to mechanics that make them much more playable. One such change was dividing all attacks into being physical or special, rather than one or the other based on its type. This allowed many Pokemon to make better use of their attacking stats. For example, the Kingler line has high Attack power, but since Water-type attacks were originally special in nature (thus running off its lower Special Attack), Kingler's then-SecretArt Crabhammer wasn't very useful. In newer games, Crabhammer is considered a pysical attack and runs off Kingler's Attack stat, allowing it to do a lot more damage.

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** That said, ''Pokémon'' is also a subversion in that many monsters from early versions of the game also frequently get new moves, abilities, evolutions and other changes to mechanics that make them much more playable. One such change was dividing all attacks into being physical or special, rather than one or the other based on its type. This allowed many Pokemon to make better use of their attacking stats. For [[labelnote:*]]For example, the Kingler line has high Attack power, but since Water-type attacks were originally special in nature (thus running off its lower Special Attack), Kingler's then-SecretArt Crabhammer wasn't very useful. In newer games, Crabhammer is considered a pysical physical attack and runs off Kingler's Attack stat, allowing it to do a lot more damage. damage.[[/labelnote]]
24th Sep '16 4:22:05 AM SpinAttaxx
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* ''VideoGame/{{Pokemon}}'': Pokémon stat spreads slowly became more specialized as time went on. Those that could be see as {{Lightning Bruiser}}s in ''Red and Blue'' became [[JackOfAllStats Jacks-Of-All-Stats]] as more MinMaxing was done by the designers. In ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' it reached its zenith with [[SuperMode Mega Evolutions]], which are explicitly designed to be on par with the series OlympusMons with less stat points to go around.
** Taken UpToEleven with Mega Rayquaza in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'' which was so ridiculously powerful that it caused Smogon, the largest competative Pokémon community, to restructure the way [[CharacterTiers tiers]] work. Before [=OrAs=], ''Ubers'' was technically the banlist, but Mega Rayquaza was decided to be too powerful for even the banlist and caused ''Ubers'' to be reclassified as a propper tier while ''Anything Goes'' was created to allow Mega Rayquaza to be used as well as some items and abilities that are otherwise banned in all other tiers.
** That said, ''Pokemon'' is also a subversion in that many monsters from early versions of the game also frequently get new moves, abilities, evolutions and other changes to mechanics that make them much more playable. One such change was the dividing attacks into Physical and Special types. This allowed many Pokemon to make better use of their attacking stats. For example, the Krabby and Kingler line had high Physical attack power, but since Water-elemental attacks were originally Special in nature, Kingler's SignatureMove Crabhammer wasn't very useful. In newer versions of the game, Crabhammer is considered a Physical attack and runs off Kingler's high Physical attack power, allowing it to do a lot more damage.

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Pokémon stat spreads slowly became more specialized as time went on. Those that could be see seen as {{Lightning Bruiser}}s in ''Red and Blue'' became [[JackOfAllStats Jacks-Of-All-Stats]] as more MinMaxing was done by the designers. In ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'', it reached its zenith with [[SuperMode Mega Evolutions]], which are explicitly designed to be on par with the series series's OlympusMons with less stat points to go around.
** Taken UpToEleven with Mega Rayquaza in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'' Sapphire]]'', which was so ridiculously powerful that it caused Smogon, the largest competative Pokémon community, Website/{{Smogon}} to restructure the way [[CharacterTiers tiers]] work. Before [=OrAs=], ''Ubers'' Before, "Ubers" was technically the banlist, but Mega Rayquaza was decided to be too powerful for even the banlist and caused ''Ubers'' to be for it, thus "Ubers" was reclassified as a propper tier proper tier, while ''Anything Goes'' a new tier (appropriately named "Anything Goes") was created to allow Mega Rayquaza to be used as well as along with some items and abilities that are otherwise banned in all other tiers.
** That said, ''Pokemon'' ''Pokémon'' is also a subversion in that many monsters from early versions of the game also frequently get new moves, abilities, evolutions and other changes to mechanics that make them much more playable. One such change was the dividing all attacks into Physical and Special types.being physical or special, rather than one or the other based on its type. This allowed many Pokemon to make better use of their attacking stats. For example, the Krabby and Kingler line had has high Physical attack Attack power, but since Water-elemental Water-type attacks were originally special in nature (thus running off its lower Special in nature, Attack), Kingler's SignatureMove then-SecretArt Crabhammer wasn't very useful. In newer versions of the game, games, Crabhammer is considered a Physical pysical attack and runs off Kingler's high Physical attack power, Attack stat, allowing it to do a lot more damage.
9th Sep '16 10:34:07 PM ChaosGallade
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[[caption-width-right:350:[-'''On your left''': Four useful cards at the time of their releases but with some draw-back (Blue-Eyes[[note]]a powerful 3000 ATK monster which requires 2 tributes[[/note]]; Nyan Nyan[[note]]Powerful 1900 ATK monster that dies if you control a non-LIGHT monster[[/note]]; Moisture[[note]]Requires 2 or 3 tributes. If summoned with 3 tributes, destroys enemy's Spell and Trap cards[[/note]]; Gilford[[note]]Requires 2 or 3 tributes. If summoned with 3 tributes, destroys enemy's Monsters[[/note]]). '''On your right''': One card released later that can do the same as those four, at the same time, with no draw-back. [[note]]Can be summoned with no tributes with 1900 ATK. Can be summoned with 2 tributes with 3000 ATK. Can be summoned with 3 tributes to destroy all cards on your opponent's field.[[/note]]-] ]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:[-'''On your left''': Four useful cards at the time of their releases but with some draw-back (Blue-Eyes[[note]]a (Blue-Eyes White Dragon[[note]]A powerful 3000 ATK monster which requires 2 tributes[[/note]]; Tributes to Normal Summon[[/note]]; Thunder Nyan Nyan[[note]]Powerful 1900 ATK monster that dies if you control a non-LIGHT monster[[/note]]; Moisture[[note]]Requires Moisture Creature[[note]]Requires 2 or 3 tributes. Tributes. If summoned Tribute Summoned with 3 tributes, destroys enemy's Spell and Trap cards[[/note]]; Gilford[[note]]Requires Gilford the Lightning[[note]]Requires 2 or 3 tributes. Tributes. If summoned Tribute Summoned with 3 tributes, destroys enemy's Monsters[[/note]]). '''On your right''': One Beast King Barbaros, a card released later that can do the same as those four, at the same time, with no draw-back. drawbacks. [[note]]Can be summoned with no tributes Tributes with 1900 ATK. Can be summoned with 2 tributes Tributes with 3000 ATK. Can be summoned with 3 tributes Tributes to destroy all cards on your opponent's field.[[/note]]-] ]]
12th Aug '16 8:21:50 AM bionichamster
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** Taken UpToEleven with Mega Rayquaza in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'' which was so ridiculously powerful that it caused Smogon, the largest competative Pokémon community, to restructure the way [[CharacterTiers tiers]] work. Before [=OrAs=], ''Ubers'' was technically the banlist, but Mega Rayquaza was decided to be too powerful for even the banlist and caused ''Ubers'' to be reclassified as a propper tier while ''Anything Goes'' was created to allow Mega Rayquaza to be used as well as some items and abilities that are otherwise banned in all other tiers.
6th Aug '16 11:15:24 PM Vir
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* ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' is a FreeToPlay MultiplayerOnlineBattleArena that updates frequently, usually accompanied with new characters. Accusations of this concept happening to the game are frequent and its developers' have made it clear they are seized on avoiding letting the issue pop up. {{Nerf}}s regularly happen in updates to the point that some players accuse the developer of releasing characters PurposelyOverpowered to cause [[{{Munchkin}} players who like winning]] to flock buying them with {{Microtransactions}} and then {{Nerf}} them in the next patch to placate their fanbase after raking in cash for a few weeks. That being said, numerous characters have been newly released with players responding loudly and surely that they're completely ''under''powered. While power creep has ''definitely'' set in over the years, Riot does seem to be making an effort to keep it from getting out of hand, which is best evidenced by their tendency to nerf strong champs rather than buff weak ones (as an overabundance of buffs tends to lead to the game turning into a trigger-happy crowd control and burst-fest).

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* ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' is a FreeToPlay MultiplayerOnlineBattleArena that updates frequently, usually accompanied with new characters. Accusations of this concept happening to the game are frequent and its developers' developers have made it clear they are seized on avoiding letting the issue pop up. {{Nerf}}s regularly happen in updates to the point that some players accuse the developer of releasing characters PurposelyOverpowered to cause [[{{Munchkin}} players who like winning]] to flock buying them with {{Microtransactions}} and then {{Nerf}} them in the next patch to placate their fanbase after raking in cash for a few weeks. That being said, numerous characters have been newly released with players responding loudly and surely that they're completely ''under''powered. While power creep has ''definitely'' set in over the years, Riot does seem to be making an effort to keep it from getting out of hand, which is best evidenced by their tendency to nerf strong champs rather than buff weak ones (as an overabundance of buffs tends to lead to the game turning into a trigger-happy crowd control and burst-fest).
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