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14th Jan '17 8:02:39 PM Monolaf317
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* ''WebAnimation/TheMostPopularGirlsInSchool'': [[MagicalMinority Matthew Derringer]] and [[MagicalQueer Tanner Christiansen]] play the OnlySaneMan role to DumbJock Blaine, douchebag Than, and the [[YourCheatingHeart occasionally annoying]] Justin.
** Surprisingly for a such queer-friendly show, the two openly non-heterosexual female characters avert this: Jenna Darabond is a manipulative and even downright dangerous DepravedBisexual, and Lunch Lady Belinda is a DirtyOldWoman AbhorrentAdmirer who targets both males and females.

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[[MagicalMinority Matthew Derringer]] and [[MagicalQueer Tanner Christiansen]] play the OnlySaneMan role to DumbJock Blaine, douchebag Than, and the [[YourCheatingHeart occasionally annoying]] Justin.
** Surprisingly for a such queer-friendly show, the two openly non-heterosexual female characters avert this: Jenna Darabond is a manipulative and even downright dangerous DepravedBisexual, and Lunch Lady Belinda is a DirtyOldWoman AbhorrentAdmirer who targets both males and females.females (but don't worry, the latter's loony behaviour is PlayedForLaughs).
31st Dec '16 11:29:57 PM NeoTerraKnight
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* In ''WesternAnimation/YinYangYo'', the two main leads are girl and boy versions of each other. Yin is the overly girlish girl who likes ponies and anything pink and naturally is the more studious, mature, and level-headed of the two. Yang is a crass, crude-humor spouting blue bunny who likes boyish things like monster trucks, mindless video games, fighting anything that moves, and not studying. Also, Yang is more likely to receive [[AmusingInjuries physical slapstick]]. Once again, the three shows share writers and directors, it is not much of a surprise.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/YinYangYo'', the two main leads are girl and boy versions of each other. Yin is the overly girlish girl who likes ponies and anything pink and naturally is the more studious, mature, and level-headed of the two. Yang is a crass, crude-humor spouting blue bunny who likes boyish things like monster trucks, mindless video games, fighting anything that moves, and not studying. Also, Yang is more likely to receive [[AmusingInjuries physical slapstick]]. Once again, the three shows share writers and directors, it is not much of a surprise. Subverted later on when Yin herself is more prone to the dark side because [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys she love bad boys]] and that Yang shows that he's more competent and talented than he looks because he prefers to hide it so he can get away with his BookDumb status. FridgeBrilliance since Yin is the name of darkness while Yang is the name of light.
18th Dec '16 5:59:31 PM Solicitr
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* Creator/GeorgeLucas's ''Film/RedTails'' does this with the African-American Tuskegee Airmen, not by making them unusually good, but by making their white counterparts incredibly incompetent, instead. It's not that they're incompetent, but that they're reckless and glory hungry and leave the bombers they're supposed to be escorting unprotected to go after shoot down German fighters. The Tuskegee pilots are not above this, especially Lightning, but their commanding officer Col. Bullard orders them to stay with their bombers at all costs. There's also more of a risk for the Tuskegee pilots compared to the white pilots; if they don't do their jobs correctly, they'll be sent back to doing reconnaissance missions in rural areas so they need to be more competent and careful than the white pilots, to prove they deserve their jobs escorting the bombers.

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* Creator/GeorgeLucas's ''Film/RedTails'' does this with the African-American Tuskegee Airmen, not by making them unusually good, but by making their white counterparts incredibly incompetent, instead. It's not that they're incompetent, but that they're reckless and glory hungry and leave the bombers they're supposed to be escorting unprotected to go after shoot down German fighters. The [[note]] Itself an instance of HollywoodHistory, inserted for dramatic effect[[/note]]The Tuskegee pilots are not above this, especially Lightning, but their commanding officer Col. Bullard orders them to stay with their bombers at all costs. There's also more of a risk for the Tuskegee pilots compared to the white pilots; if they don't do their jobs correctly, they'll be sent back to doing reconnaissance missions in rural areas so they need to be more competent and careful than the white pilots, to prove they deserve their jobs escorting the bombers.
4th Dec '16 7:29:13 PM lucy24
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* ''Series/HomicideLifeOnTheStreet'': Detective Kay Howard, the only woman on the Homicide squad, never fails to close a case. She is the only homicide detective with a perfect record. She eventually takes the sergeantís exam--and gets the highest score ever recorded.
30th Nov '16 1:00:11 PM KingZeal
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* The current trend in ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle''. In all of the mixed gender matchups so far, only one of them so far has ended with the male character winning: [[spoiler:Dante vs. Bayonetta and Zoro vs. Erza]].

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* The current trend in ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle''. In all of the mixed gender matchups so far, only one of them so far has ended with the male character winning: [[spoiler:Dante vs. Bayonetta and Zoro vs. Erza]].
30th Nov '16 12:39:54 PM fdjhdjshfdjshfg
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* The current trend in ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle''. In all of the mixed gender matchups so far, only one of them so far has ended with the male character winning: [[spoiler:Dante vs. Bayonetta]].

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* The current trend in ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle''. In all of the mixed gender matchups so far, only one of them so far has ended with the male character winning: [[spoiler:Dante vs. Bayonetta]].Bayonetta and Zoro vs. Erza]].
23rd Nov '16 3:59:33 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* Although in theory ''[[ComicBook/TheSimpsons Simpsons Comics]]'' (like ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' itself) is non-discriminatory in its negative stereotypes and ''everyone'' was supposed to be a blockhead, the Superior Squad (a superhero team led by Bart Simpson's favorite comic-book character Radioactive Man that fought supervillains between the 1950s and 1990s) mostly adhered to this trope. The team consisted of six men and two women - and guess which two were the most positively portrayed? One of the females, Lure Lass, was a regular MarySue, while the other, Weasel Woman, did have ''some'' flaws but was braver and more {{Badass}} than everyone else on the team, including Radioactive Man himself. (One reader even wrote in to comment that Weasel Woman really should have been named the team leader.) In contrast, the two most profoundly flawed Superior Squad members were male, as well as the two ostensibly most powerful: Purple Heart (who later changed his name to [[BourgeoisBohemian "Bleeding Heart"]], then to [[DarkerAndEdgier "Heart of Darkness"]], then to "Bleeding Heart" again, and finally to [[BloodyHilarious "Bloody Heart"]]), who was your standard [[SmallNameBigEgo Ted Baxter]] type, and RM himself, who was well-meaning but very much a WindmillCrusader and rather stupid.

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* Although in theory ''[[ComicBook/TheSimpsons Simpsons Comics]]'' (like ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' itself) is non-discriminatory in its negative stereotypes and ''everyone'' was supposed to be a blockhead, the Superior Squad (a superhero team led by Bart Simpson's favorite comic-book character Radioactive Man that fought supervillains between the 1950s and 1990s) mostly adhered to this trope. The team consisted of six men and two women - and guess which two were the most positively portrayed? One of the females, Lure Lass, was a regular MarySue, while the other, Weasel Woman, did have ''some'' flaws but was braver and more {{Badass}} badass than everyone else on the team, including Radioactive Man himself. (One reader even wrote in to comment that Weasel Woman really should have been named the team leader.) In contrast, the two most profoundly flawed Superior Squad members were male, as well as the two ostensibly most powerful: Purple Heart (who later changed his name to [[BourgeoisBohemian "Bleeding Heart"]], then to [[DarkerAndEdgier "Heart of Darkness"]], then to "Bleeding Heart" again, and finally to [[BloodyHilarious "Bloody Heart"]]), who was your standard [[SmallNameBigEgo Ted Baxter]] type, and RM himself, who was well-meaning but very much a WindmillCrusader and rather stupid.



* This has been a criticism of ''Series/GameOfThrones'' depiction of Brienne of Tarth. While she is still a credible {{Badass}} in the books, the show drives this home by giving her extra fight scenes where she goes up against some of the best swordsmen in Westeros like Jaime Lannister and Sandor Clegane and wins. These scenes are not in the books, and generally serve little narrative purpose beyond the {{fanservice}} of the fight and reinforcing how awesome she is when she inevitably wins. From the other side, it's been pointed out that [[WorfHadTheFlu the men she beats in these fights are never at full strength]].

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* This has been a criticism of ''Series/GameOfThrones'' depiction of Brienne of Tarth. While she is still a credible {{Badass}} badass in the books, the show drives this home by giving her extra fight scenes where she goes up against some of the best swordsmen in Westeros like Jaime Lannister and Sandor Clegane and wins. These scenes are not in the books, and generally serve little narrative purpose beyond the {{fanservice}} of the fight and reinforcing how awesome she is when she inevitably wins. From the other side, it's been pointed out that [[WorfHadTheFlu the men she beats in these fights are never at full strength]].



* ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' has gotten some flak for trying a little too hard to push the ActionGirl trope. Originally the show had two combat-capable male characters (Coulson and Ward) and one female one (May) though May was generally regarded as the best of them. This got a little more complicated as the show progressed - Ward left the team, his replacement Triplett [[spoiler: was killed off]], and Coulson was promoted to Director and stopped doing fieldwork nearly as often. Meanwhile, Skye TookALevelInBadass (rather quickly, considering her rather lack of fight scenes the season prior) and Lance Hunter and Bobbi Morse were added to the team. Mack was also introduced, and eventually revealed to be a {{Badass}}, though he dislikes fighting and won't do it unless forced (and in fact spent the first half of season 2 pretending he couldn't). This left a ratio of roughly one active male fighter to three female ones on the team, and again, the women were usually portrayed as better. When the agents fight each other, the fights have always either ended ambiguously (May's first fight with Ward), with the woman winning (May's second fight with Ward, Bobbi sparring with Mack), or otherwise shown her as the better fighter despite a loss (Bobbi's fight with Ward, where she manages to fight him evenly until Kara, another female character, joins the fight on his side, despite Bobbi having spent the last few hours ''being tortured'' and not being in any condition for a fight).them.

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* ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' has gotten some flak for trying a little too hard to push the ActionGirl trope. Originally the show had two combat-capable male characters (Coulson and Ward) and one female one (May) though May was generally regarded as the best of them. This got a little more complicated as the show progressed - Ward left the team, his replacement Triplett [[spoiler: was killed off]], and Coulson was promoted to Director and stopped doing fieldwork nearly as often. Meanwhile, Skye TookALevelInBadass (rather quickly, considering her rather lack of fight scenes the season prior) and Lance Hunter and Bobbi Morse were added to the team. Mack was also introduced, and eventually revealed to be a {{Badass}}, pretty tough, though he dislikes fighting and won't do it unless forced (and in fact spent the first half of season 2 pretending he couldn't). This left a ratio of roughly one active male fighter to three female ones on the team, and again, the women were usually portrayed as better. When the agents fight each other, the fights have always either ended ambiguously (May's first fight with Ward), with the woman winning (May's second fight with Ward, Bobbi sparring with Mack), or otherwise shown her as the better fighter despite a loss (Bobbi's fight with Ward, where she manages to fight him evenly until Kara, another female character, joins the fight on his side, despite Bobbi having spent the last few hours ''being tortured'' and not being in any condition for a fight).them.



** When wrestling shows first began to appear on TV, Westerns were popular, so it was perhaps inevitable that "Indian chief" characters would appear. The promoters were aware that depicting a member of America's smallest minority group as a cheating, savage, murderous heel would be, to put it lightly, kind of mean - so they set out to subvert the negative stereotype and overdid it. Every Native American wrestler between the 1940s and the 1990s - Chief Jay Strongbow most famously - was the NobleSavage incarnate and always a hero, with the exception of Apache Bull Ramos, who even then had to fight for the right to work {{heel}} but had a successful feud in the western Wrestling/{{N|ationalWrestlingAlliance}}WA territories with Mil Mascaras which would pave way for Wrestling/{{Tatanka}} (a real-life Lumbee from North Carolina, [[FakeNationality although he depicted a Lakota]]) to turn ''spectacularly'' heel in 1994, joining [[Wrestling/TedDiBiase Ted DiBiase's]] Million Dollar Corporation. (Later, when he returned to WWE in the mid-2000s, Tatanka would turn heel in a different way, this time painting his face with creepy makeup and claiming to be a "vengeful ghost warrior" - and his new gimmick was so {{Badass}} that it just resulted in [[DracoInLeatherPants Draco In A Leather Loincloth]]. Worse, he got only two matches with the new gimmick before [[PutOnABus mysteriously disappearing]].)

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** When wrestling shows first began to appear on TV, Westerns were popular, so it was perhaps inevitable that "Indian chief" characters would appear. The promoters were aware that depicting a member of America's smallest minority group as a cheating, savage, murderous heel would be, to put it lightly, kind of mean - so they set out to subvert the negative stereotype and overdid it. Every Native American wrestler between the 1940s and the 1990s - Chief Jay Strongbow most famously - was the NobleSavage incarnate and always a hero, with the exception of Apache Bull Ramos, who even then had to fight for the right to work {{heel}} but had a successful feud in the western Wrestling/{{N|ationalWrestlingAlliance}}WA territories with Mil Mascaras which would pave way for Wrestling/{{Tatanka}} (a real-life Lumbee from North Carolina, [[FakeNationality although he depicted a Lakota]]) to turn ''spectacularly'' heel in 1994, joining [[Wrestling/TedDiBiase Ted DiBiase's]] Million Dollar Corporation. (Later, when he returned to WWE in the mid-2000s, Tatanka would turn heel in a different way, this time painting his face with creepy makeup and claiming to be a "vengeful ghost warrior" - and his new gimmick was so {{Badass}} powerful that it just resulted in [[DracoInLeatherPants Draco In A Leather Loincloth]]. Worse, he got only two matches with the new gimmick before [[PutOnABus mysteriously disappearing]].)



* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'' used to have this issue, when the only female characters were Tex and Shiela, one of whom is canonically ''the'' biggest {{Badass}} in the series and the other is a tank's AI. Later seasons grew out of this to some extent, after introducing a female character who is just as laughably incompetent as the main cast (Sister), and giving real flaws to the more hypercompetent ladies (Tex).person.

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* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'' used to have this issue, when the only female characters were Tex and Shiela, one of whom is canonically ''the'' biggest {{Badass}} best warrior in the series and the other is a tank's AI. Later seasons grew out of this to some extent, after introducing a female character who is just as laughably incompetent as the main cast (Sister), and giving real flaws to the more hypercompetent ladies (Tex).person.
23rd Nov '16 3:56:58 PM ChaoticNovelist
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When the TokenMinority and/or [[TheSmurfettePrinciple Token Female]] character can do no wrong. They will never bumble or make a mistake, even in a show where the majority of the team does. They will be much smarter and have more common sense than average, they have more knowledge and skill than they have any reason to possess given their professional background, and they will ''definitely'' be of [[CloserToEarth superior moral character]].

They may not be the star who actually saves the day (or they may be but will simply not get public credit for it, but since they're [[PuritySue so selfless]] they [[ThinkNothingOfIt don't really care]]), but they will never hinder the progress of the team. In fact, this trope is far more blatant if they're in a relatively minor role but are consistently better than the male, non-minority lead at damn near everything.

You will virtually never see Native Americans in more recent works without this trope being present in spades, usually in a hybrid of the MagicalNativeAmerican and NobleSavage tropes. The individual in question will be depicted as having a much stronger/more active connection to God or spirituality than whites are supposedly capable of, and will therefore automatically be morally superior as well.

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When the TokenMinority and/or [[TheSmurfettePrinciple Token Female]] character can do no wrong. They will never bumble or make a mistake, even in a show where the majority of the team cast does. They will be much smarter and have more common sense than average, they have more knowledge and skill than they have any reason to possess given their professional background, and they will ''definitely'' be of [[CloserToEarth superior moral character]].

They may not be the star who actually saves the day (or they may be but will simply not get public credit for it, but since they're [[PuritySue [[HumbleHero so selfless]] they [[ThinkNothingOfIt don't really care]]), but they will never hinder the progress of the team.anyone else. In fact, this trope is far more blatant if they're in a relatively minor role but are consistently better than the male, non-minority lead at damn near everything.

You will virtually never see Native Americans in more recent 21st century works without this trope being present in spades, usually in a hybrid of the MagicalNativeAmerican and NobleSavage tropes. The individual in question will be depicted as having a much stronger/more active connection to God or spirituality than whites are supposedly capable of, and will therefore automatically be morally superior as well.



Sometimes the writers are being deliberately {{Anvilicious}} about equality and discrimination. Other times, they're just concerned about [[UnfortunateImplications looking racist, sexist, homophobic, ableist etc.]] if the only X on the show does something wrong, since X isn't on the list of AcceptableTargets, and they overcompensate the other direction. Rarely do they come across the solution of simply having more than one X, which is, of course, half the problem of the TokenMinority and TheSmurfettePrinciple in the first place. Of course, this trope, just like all tropes by their nature, has its own inertia, and thus adding more X doesn't always solve the problem. Instead, often ''all'' of the X will still be unfailingly more competent and better than the others, essentially making the UnfortunateImplications of "X is superior in every way to Y" explicit. It certainly doesn't help that [[EverythingIsRacist there are people out there who will indeed call the show racist/sexist/ableist/whatever if any of the multiple X on the show has any kind of flaw or suffers any kind of hardship]], and the writers may end up taking these accusations to heart if there is a significant number of them.

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Sometimes the writers are being deliberately {{Anvilicious}} about equality and discrimination. Other times, they're just concerned about [[UnfortunateImplications looking racist, sexist, homophobic, ableist etc.]] etc. if the only X on the show does something wrong, since X isn't on the list of AcceptableTargets, and they overcompensate the other direction. Rarely do they come across the solution of simply having more than one X, which is, of course, half the problem of the TokenMinority and TheSmurfettePrinciple in the first place. Of course, this trope, just Just like all tropes by their nature, this one has its own inertia, inertia and thus adding more X doesn't always solve the problem. Instead, often ''all'' of the X will still be unfailingly more competent and better than the others, essentially making giving the UnfortunateImplications message of "X is superior in every way to Y" explicit. It certainly doesn't help Contributing to this is that [[EverythingIsRacist there are people out there who will indeed call the show racist/sexist/ableist/whatever if any of the multiple X on the show has any kind of flaw or suffers any kind of hardship]], and the writers may end up taking these accusations to heart if there is a significant number of them.



The issue of Positive Discrimination can lead to a case of UnpleasableFanbase. On one hand, lack of Positive Discrimination, as stated above, puts the writer in danger of being called racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. just because they gave the TokenMinority [[FelonyMisdemeanor something as heinous as a common flaw]]. On the other hand, it puts the discriminatee in danger of becoming the CreatorsPet, since he/she will often be seen as a MarySue or MartyStu in the eyes of the audience that is blatantly shilled one too many times and it leads to major UnfortunateImplications that someone from X isn't equal, but superior and can do [[PuritySue no wrong]]. Even worse, in RealLife it tends to set the victim up for a dizzying fall: if they are assumed to be so hypercompetent, then their making even the slightest mistake will be seen as disgrace or, worse, hypocrisy. (To quote Creator/BillCosby: "If a white man falls off a chair drunk, it's just a drunk. But if a black man does it, then it's the whole damned Negro race.")

Some media may be shrewd enough to place the odd token flaw or NotSoAboveItAll moment, but usually dilute it as much as possible ([[InformedFlaw occasionally to the point of near non-existence]]), or at least emphasize the fact it is rare. In other cases they may actually indeed be just as flawed as the rest of the cast, [[DesignatedHero just designated]] [[SelectiveEnforcement to be treated]] [[TheUnfairSex as better]]. In the long run, however, their shortcomings will usually at the very least be [[IdiotBall far less]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero detrimental]] than others'.

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The issue of Positive Discrimination can lead to a case of UnpleasableFanbase. On one hand, lack of Positive Discrimination, as stated above, puts the writer in danger of being called racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. just because they gave the TokenMinority [[FelonyMisdemeanor something as heinous as a common flaw]]. On the other hand, it puts the discriminatee in danger of becoming the CreatorsPet, since he/she will often be seen as a MarySue or MartyStu in the eyes of the audience that is blatantly shilled one too many times and it leads to major UnfortunateImplications implications that someone from X isn't equal, but superior and can do [[PuritySue no wrong]]. Even worse, in RealLife it tends to set the victim up for a dizzying fall: if they are assumed to be so hypercompetent, then their making even the slightest mistake will be seen as disgrace or, worse, hypocrisy. (To quote Creator/BillCosby: "If a white man falls off a chair drunk, it's just a drunk. But if a black man does it, then it's the whole damned Negro race.")

Some media may be shrewd enough to place the odd token flaw or NotSoAboveItAll moment, but usually dilute it as much as possible ([[InformedFlaw occasionally to the point of near non-existence]]), or at least emphasize the fact it is rare. In other cases they may actually indeed be just as flawed as the rest of the cast, [[DesignatedHero just designated]] but [[SelectiveEnforcement to be treated]] [[TheUnfairSex as better]]. In the long run, however, their shortcomings will usually at the very least be [[IdiotBall far less]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero detrimental]] than others'.
2nd Nov '16 7:53:52 AM HighCrate
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* In ''WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon'', Astrid has established that she is not only the most competent trainee but the ''only'' competent trainee. The others (who are mostly boys) barely do anything to the dragons. This is justified, though, by the amount of work she has put into not being seen as "just a girl". She spends a much larger amount of time training because she actually wants to be the best, she isn't just written as a perfect character.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon'', Astrid has established that she is not only the most competent trainee but the ''only'' competent trainee. The others (who are mostly boys) barely do anything to the dragons. This is justified, though, by the amount of work she has put into not being seen as "just a girl". She spends a much larger amount of time training because she actually wants to be the best, she isn't just written as a perfect character.
2nd Nov '16 7:37:03 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon'', Astrid has established that she is not only the most competent trainee but the ''only'' competent trainee. The others (who are mostly boys) barely do anything to the dragons. This is justified, though, by the amount of work she has put into not being seen as "just a girl". She spends a much larger amount of time training because she actually wants to be the best, she isn't just written as a perfect character.
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* In ''WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon'', Astrid has established that she is not only the most competent trainee but the ''only'' competent trainee. The others (who are mostly boys) barely do anything to the dragons. This is justified, though, by the amount of work she has put into not being seen as "just a girl". She spends a much larger amount of time training because she actually wants to be the best, she isn't just written as a perfect character.
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