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16th Jun '17 6:51:20 AM td1989
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5th Jun '17 5:59:18 PM HighCrate
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* Moral Guardians often go after young females of a certain age if they make certain mistakes (Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus) in the media or present what is considered an overly-sexualized image. This is not an issue for young male artists, the implication being that young males don't need good wholesome pure innocent role models.
5th Jun '17 2:39:56 PM juniper
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* Moral Guardians often go after young females of a certain age if they make certain mistakes (Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus) in the media or present what is considered an overly-sexualized image. This is not an issue for young male artists, the implication being that young males don't need good wholesome pure innocent role models.
12th May '17 10:11:49 AM HighCrate
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* ''Series/HomicideLifeOnTheStreet'': Detective Kay Howard, initially the only woman on the Homicide squad, never fails to close a case. She is the only homicide detective with a perfect record. She eventually takes the sergeantís exam--and gets the highest score ever recorded. However, as somewhat bad as this was, it got much worse with later female characters Megan Russert, Laura Ballard, and Terri Stivers, whom unlike Howard, were largely solely brought in to be MsFanservice in hopes of boosting ratings, per ExecutiveMeddling.

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* ''Series/HomicideLifeOnTheStreet'': Detective Kay Howard, initially the only woman on the Homicide squad, never fails to close a case. She is the only homicide detective with a perfect record. She eventually takes the sergeantís exam--and gets the highest score ever recorded. However, as somewhat bad as this was, it got much worse with later female characters Megan Russert, Laura Ballard, and Terri Stivers, whom unlike Howard, were largely solely brought in to be MsFanservice in hopes of boosting ratings, per ExecutiveMeddling.
12th May '17 9:49:45 AM glickmam
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* ''Series/HomicideLifeOnTheStreet'': Detective Kay Howard, the only woman on the Homicide squad, never fails to close a case. She is the only homicide detective with a perfect record. She eventually takes the sergeantís exam--and gets the highest score ever recorded.

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* ''Series/HomicideLifeOnTheStreet'': Detective Kay Howard, initially the only woman on the Homicide squad, never fails to close a case. She is the only homicide detective with a perfect record. She eventually takes the sergeantís exam--and gets the highest score ever recorded. However, as somewhat bad as this was, it got much worse with later female characters Megan Russert, Laura Ballard, and Terri Stivers, whom unlike Howard, were largely solely brought in to be MsFanservice in hopes of boosting ratings, per ExecutiveMeddling.
3rd May '17 3:09:08 AM jamespolk
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* Creator/SidneyPoitier's most famous starring roles in ''Lilies of the Field'', ''Film/ToSirWithLove'', ''Film/InTheHeatOfTheNight'' and ''Film/GuessWhosComingToDinner''. For the most part, all these roles have Poitier playing men who are nearly perfect specimens of humanity except for a bit of righteous anger at injustice. ''Dinner'' is the most blatant with character being less a man than an demigod of perfection.

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* Creator/SidneyPoitier's most famous starring roles in ''Lilies of the Field'', ''Film/LiliesOfTheField'', ''Film/ToSirWithLove'', ''Film/InTheHeatOfTheNight'' and ''Film/GuessWhosComingToDinner''. For the most part, all these roles have Poitier playing men who are nearly perfect specimens of humanity except for a bit of righteous anger at injustice. ''Dinner'' is the most blatant with character being less a man than an demigod of perfection.
28th Apr '17 8:54:52 PM mlsmithca
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While the necessity of PositiveDiscrimination in the 20th century [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment may have been necessary]], in the 21st century it comes across [[{{YMMV}} more as gratuitous and grating]].



* Although in theory ''[[ComicBook/TheSimpsons Simpsons Comics]]'' (like ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' itself) is non-discriminatory in its negative stereotypes and ''everyone'' was supposed to be a blockhead, the Superior Squad (a superhero team led by Bart Simpson's favorite comic-book character Radioactive Man that fought supervillains between the 1950s and 1990s) mostly adhered to this trope. The team consisted of six men and two women - and guess which two were the most positively portrayed? One of the females, Lure Lass, was a regular MarySue, while the other, Weasel Woman, did have ''some'' flaws but was braver and more badass than everyone else on the team, including Radioactive Man himself. (One reader even wrote in to comment that Weasel Woman really should have been named the team leader.) In contrast, the two most profoundly flawed Superior Squad members were male, as well as the two ostensibly most powerful: Purple Heart (who later changed his name to [[BourgeoisBohemian "Bleeding Heart"]], then to [[DarkerAndEdgier "Heart of Darkness"]], then to "Bleeding Heart" again, and finally to [[BloodyHilarious "Bloody Heart"]]), who was your standard [[SmallNameBigEgo Ted Baxter]] type, and RM himself, who was well-meaning but very much a WindmillCrusader and rather stupid.
** Weasel Woman being a female version of Wolverine (created well before X-23 came along) might explain her popularity, though in the "Simpsons" universe she doesn't seem subject to [[WolverinePublicity Weasel Woman publicity]].

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* Although in theory ''[[ComicBook/TheSimpsons Simpsons Comics]]'' (like ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' itself) is non-discriminatory in its negative stereotypes and ''everyone'' was supposed to be a blockhead, the Superior Squad (a superhero team led by Bart Simpson's favorite comic-book character Radioactive Man that fought supervillains between the 1950s and 1990s) mostly adhered to this trope. The team consisted of six men and two women - and guess which two were the most positively portrayed? One of the females, Lure Lass, was a regular MarySue, stereotypically perfect, while the other, Weasel Woman, did have ''some'' flaws but was braver and more badass than everyone else on the team, including Radioactive Man himself. (One reader even wrote in to comment that Weasel Woman really should have been named the team leader.) In contrast, the two most profoundly flawed Superior Squad members were male, as well as the two ostensibly most powerful: Purple Heart (who later changed his name to [[BourgeoisBohemian "Bleeding Heart"]], then to [[DarkerAndEdgier "Heart of Darkness"]], then to "Bleeding Heart" again, and finally to [[BloodyHilarious "Bloody Heart"]]), who was your standard [[SmallNameBigEgo Ted Baxter]] type, and RM himself, who was well-meaning but very much a WindmillCrusader and rather stupid.
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stupid. Weasel Woman being a female version of Wolverine (created well before X-23 came along) might explain her popularity, though in the "Simpsons" universe she doesn't seem subject to [[WolverinePublicity Weasel Woman publicity]].



* FutureQuest (the HannaBarberaBeyond cross-over of their 1960s action-adventure animated series) might be better named *Invasion of the [[MarySue MarySues]]*. For example, Cobalt, a female [[TheImpossibles Impossible]] introduced in the series, [[SpotlightStealingSquad immediately proves more powerful and useful than all three male characters combined]] and frequently treats the trio condescendingly while [[BlaseBoast casually commenting about how easy it is for her to use her superior powers]]. Similarly, Professor Linda Kim-Conroy, a replacement for [[FrankensteinJr Buzz Conroy's]] conveniently dead 'dad-scientist', is [[SpotlightStealingSquad gratuitously retconned]] to have created the famous [[JonnyQuest spider-bot of Doctor Zin]], [[KillSteal gaining authority as a character]] [[CharacterShilling by theft from the character of Doctor Zin]]; in the most recent issue, she is shown a number of times with [[JonnyQuest Doctor Benton Quest and Doctor Zin]], and in almost every scene, she looms in the foreground [[DemotedToExtra while even the famed]] [[JonnyQuest Dr. Quest]] [[DemotedToExtra is relegated to a background character]]. This becomes even more noticeable because all the male characters respond to the female characters as unquestioned equals (or superiors) and do nothing to merit any contempt; not even the villains are sexist.
** Sadly, were it not for her distasteful MarySue [[KillSteal gratuitous theft of credit for]] [[JonnyQuest Doctor Zin]]'s [[KillSteal spider-bot]] and PositiveDiscrimination aspects, Professor Kim-Conroy would otherwise be an interesting character.
** This gratuitiously MarySue level of PositiveDiscrimination is a shame since it discredits some genuinely interesting new female cast members, such as secret agent [[FrontlineGeneral Deva]] [[TheAce Sumadi]], as well as a welcome reappearance of [[JonnyQuest Jezebel Jade]] and [[TheHerculoids Queen Tara]].

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* FutureQuest ''ComicBook/FutureQuest'' (the HannaBarberaBeyond cross-over of their 1960s action-adventure animated series) might be better named *Invasion ''Invasion of the [[MarySue MarySues]]*.Mary Sues''. For example, Cobalt, a female [[TheImpossibles Impossible]] introduced in the series, [[SpotlightStealingSquad immediately proves more powerful and useful than all three male characters combined]] and frequently treats the trio condescendingly while [[BlaseBoast casually commenting about how easy it is for her to use her superior powers]]. Similarly, Professor Linda Kim-Conroy, a replacement for [[FrankensteinJr [[WesternAnimation/FrankensteinJr Buzz Conroy's]] conveniently dead 'dad-scientist', is [[SpotlightStealingSquad gratuitously retconned]] to have created the famous [[JonnyQuest [[WesternAnimation/JonnyQuest spider-bot of Doctor Zin]], [[KillSteal gaining authority as a character]] [[CharacterShilling by theft from the character of Doctor Zin]]; in the most recent one issue, she is shown a number of times with [[JonnyQuest Doctor Benton Quest and Doctor Zin]], Zin, and in almost every scene, she looms in the foreground [[DemotedToExtra while even the famed]] [[JonnyQuest famed Dr. Quest]] [[DemotedToExtra Quest is relegated to a background character]]. This becomes even more noticeable because all the male characters respond to the female characters as unquestioned equals (or superiors) and do nothing to merit any contempt; not even the villains are sexist.
** Sadly, were it not for her distasteful MarySue [[KillSteal gratuitous theft of credit for]] [[JonnyQuest for Doctor Zin]]'s [[KillSteal Zin's spider-bot]] and PositiveDiscrimination aspects, Professor Kim-Conroy would otherwise be an interesting character.
** This gratuitiously MarySue gratuitious level of PositiveDiscrimination is a shame since it discredits some genuinely interesting new female cast members, such as secret agent [[FrontlineGeneral Deva]] [[TheAce Sumadi]], as well as a welcome reappearance of [[JonnyQuest [[WesternAnimation/JonnyQuest Jezebel Jade]] and [[TheHerculoids [[WesternAnimation/TheHerculoids Queen Tara]].



* The early movies starring Creator/AdamSandler would often show not just Adam's character but practically everyone else to be annoying, bizarre, or just plain unpleasant (due to RuleOfFunny). The one exception would be the pretty young woman whom the Sandler character lusts after, who was always about as MarySue as it could get: always did the right thing, never disgraced or embarrassed, and without any but the smallest flaws that could be easily ignored by the story. The implication was that Sandler didn't deserve such a perfect creature and had to spend the entire movie reforming his behavior to be worthy of her. As time went on, the usual Sandler formula began to be subverted. In ''Film/BigDaddy'', for instance, the girl Sandler is with at the start of the film is even more morally flawed than he is, and [[BreakTheHaughty receives her comeuppance in the final scene as most of the movie's characters (both male and female) laugh at her]]. And the remake of ''Mr. Deeds'' [[InvertedTrope turns the trope completely inside-out]]: the heroine of the story is actually a ''villain'' at the start of it (well, more of a DefectorFromDecadence) while Deeds (Sandler) is IncorruptiblePurePureness personified. The girl ends up having to suffer quite a few indignities (including a brutal TheReasonYouSuckSpeech) as part of her HeelFaceTurn and to prove to Deeds that ''she's'' worthy of ''him'' - and, just to add insult to injury, also discovers that in ''this'' film, SlapstickKnowsNoGender. ''Film/TheWaterboy'' subverts this, too: Sandler's love interest is good-hearted, but also somewhat trashy and a petty criminal to boot.

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* The early movies starring Creator/AdamSandler would often show not just Adam's character but practically everyone else to be annoying, bizarre, or just plain unpleasant (due to RuleOfFunny). The one exception would be the pretty young woman whom the Sandler character lusts after, who was always about as MarySue absurdly perfect as it could get: always did the right thing, never disgraced or embarrassed, and without any but the smallest flaws that could be easily ignored by the story. The implication was that Sandler didn't deserve such a perfect creature and had to spend the entire movie reforming his behavior to be worthy of her. As time went on, the usual Sandler formula began to be subverted. In ''Film/BigDaddy'', for instance, the girl Sandler is with at the start of the film is even more morally flawed than he is, and [[BreakTheHaughty receives her comeuppance in the final scene as most of the movie's characters (both male and female) laugh at her]]. And the remake of ''Mr. Deeds'' [[InvertedTrope turns the trope completely inside-out]]: the heroine of the story is actually a ''villain'' at the start of it (well, more of a DefectorFromDecadence) while Deeds (Sandler) is IncorruptiblePurePureness personified. The girl ends up having to suffer quite a few indignities (including a brutal TheReasonYouSuckSpeech) as part of her HeelFaceTurn and to prove to Deeds that ''she's'' worthy of ''him'' - and, just to add insult to injury, also discovers that in ''this'' film, SlapstickKnowsNoGender. ''Film/TheWaterboy'' subverts this, too: Sandler's love interest is good-hearted, but also somewhat trashy and a petty criminal to boot.



* Delta, the only black cast member of ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}'', is the smartest and most level-headed of the entire group. Unless you count "being a workaholic" as an actual flaw, she's about as MarySue as they get.

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* Delta, the only black cast member of ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}'', is the smartest and most level-headed of the entire group. Unless you count "being a workaholic" as an actual flaw, she's about as MarySue absurdly perfect as they get.
28th Apr '17 8:12:54 AM name_already_chosen
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* FutureQuest (the HannaBarberaBeyond cross-over of their 1960s action-adventure animated series) might be better named *Invasion of the [[MarySue MarySues]]*. For example, Cobalt, a female [[TheImpossibles Impossible]] introduced in the series, [[SpotlightStealingSquad immediately proves more powerful and useful than all three male characters combined]] and frequently treats the trio condescendingly while [[BlaseBoast casually commenting about how easy it is for her to use her superior powers]]. Similarly, Professor Linda Kim-Conroy, a replacement for [[FrankensteinJr Buzz Conroy's]] conveniently dead 'dad-scientist', is [[SpotlightStealingSquad gratuitously retconned]] to have created the famous [[JonnyQuest spider-bot of Doctor Zin]], [[KillSteal gaining authority as a character]] [[CharacterShilling by theft from the character of Doctor Zin]]; in the most recent issue, she is shown a number of times with [[JonnyQuest Doctor Benton Quest and Doctor Zin]], and in almost every scene, she looms in the foreground [[DemotedToExtra while even the famed]] [[JonnyQuest Dr. Quest]] [[DemotedToExtra is relegated to a background character]].

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* FutureQuest (the HannaBarberaBeyond cross-over of their 1960s action-adventure animated series) might be better named *Invasion of the [[MarySue MarySues]]*. For example, Cobalt, a female [[TheImpossibles Impossible]] introduced in the series, [[SpotlightStealingSquad immediately proves more powerful and useful than all three male characters combined]] and frequently treats the trio condescendingly while [[BlaseBoast casually commenting about how easy it is for her to use her superior powers]]. Similarly, Professor Linda Kim-Conroy, a replacement for [[FrankensteinJr Buzz Conroy's]] conveniently dead 'dad-scientist', is [[SpotlightStealingSquad gratuitously retconned]] to have created the famous [[JonnyQuest spider-bot of Doctor Zin]], [[KillSteal gaining authority as a character]] [[CharacterShilling by theft from the character of Doctor Zin]]; in the most recent issue, she is shown a number of times with [[JonnyQuest Doctor Benton Quest and Doctor Zin]], and in almost every scene, she looms in the foreground [[DemotedToExtra while even the famed]] [[JonnyQuest Dr. Quest]] [[DemotedToExtra is relegated to a background character]]. This becomes even more noticeable because all the male characters respond to the female characters as unquestioned equals (or superiors) and do nothing to merit any contempt; not even the villains are sexist.
28th Apr '17 8:06:06 AM name_already_chosen
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While the necessity of PositiveDiscrimination in the 20th century [[RuleOfCautiousEditing may have been necessary]], in the 21st century it comes across [[{{YMMV}} more as gratuitous and grating]].

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While the necessity of PositiveDiscrimination in the 20th century [[RuleOfCautiousEditing [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment may have been necessary]], in the 21st century it comes across [[{{YMMV}} more as gratuitous and grating]].
28th Apr '17 8:05:32 AM name_already_chosen
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While the necessity of PositiveDiscrimination in the 20th century [[RuleOfCautiousEditing may have been necessary]], in the 21st century it comes across [[{{YMMV more as gratuitous and grating]].

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While the necessity of PositiveDiscrimination in the 20th century [[RuleOfCautiousEditing may have been necessary]], in the 21st century it comes across [[{{YMMV [[{{YMMV}} more as gratuitous and grating]].
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