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9th Apr '18 9:44:28 PM costanton11
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* ''ComicBook/FutureQuest'' (the HannaBarberaBeyond cross-over of their 1960s action-adventure animated series) might be better named ''Invasion of the Mary Sues''. For example, Cobalt, a female [[TheImpossibles Impossible]] introduced in the series, [[SpotlightStealingSquad immediately proves more powerful and useful than all three male characters combined]] and frequently treats the trio condescendingly while [[BlaseBoast casually commenting about how easy it is for her to use her superior powers]]. Similarly, Professor Linda Kim-Conroy, a replacement for [[WesternAnimation/FrankensteinJr Buzz Conroy's]] conveniently dead 'dad-scientist', is [[SpotlightStealingSquad gratuitously retconned]] to have created the famous [[WesternAnimation/JonnyQuest spider-bot of Doctor Zin]], [[KillSteal gaining authority as a character]] [[CharacterShilling by theft from the character of Doctor Zin]]; in one issue, she is shown a number of times with Doctor Benton Quest and Doctor Zin, and in almost every scene, she looms in the foreground [[DemotedToExtra while even the famed Dr. Quest is relegated to a background character]]. This becomes even more noticeable because all the male characters respond to the female characters as unquestioned equals (or superiors) and do nothing to merit any contempt; not even the villains are sexist.

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* ''ComicBook/FutureQuest'' (the HannaBarberaBeyond ComicBook/HannaBarberaBeyond cross-over of their 1960s action-adventure animated series) might be better named ''Invasion of the Mary Sues''. For example, Cobalt, a female [[TheImpossibles Impossible]] introduced in the series, [[SpotlightStealingSquad immediately proves more powerful and useful than all three male characters combined]] and frequently treats the trio condescendingly while [[BlaseBoast casually commenting about how easy it is for her to use her superior powers]]. Similarly, Professor Linda Kim-Conroy, a replacement for [[WesternAnimation/FrankensteinJr Buzz Conroy's]] conveniently dead 'dad-scientist', is [[SpotlightStealingSquad gratuitously retconned]] to have created the famous [[WesternAnimation/JonnyQuest spider-bot of Doctor Zin]], [[KillSteal gaining authority as a character]] [[CharacterShilling by theft from the character of Doctor Zin]]; in one issue, she is shown a number of times with Doctor Benton Quest and Doctor Zin, and in almost every scene, she looms in the foreground [[DemotedToExtra while even the famed Dr. Quest is relegated to a background character]]. This becomes even more noticeable because all the male characters respond to the female characters as unquestioned equals (or superiors) and do nothing to merit any contempt; not even the villains are sexist.
3rd Apr '18 8:37:21 AM HighCrate
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* ''WebAnimation/TheMostPopularGirlsInSchool'':
** [[MagicalMinorityPerson Matthew Derringer]] and [[MagicalQueer Tanner Christiansen]] play the OnlySaneMan role to DumbJock Blaine, douchebag Than, and the [[YourCheatingHeart occasionally annoying]] Justin.
** Surprisingly for a such queer-friendly show, the two openly non-heterosexual female characters avert this: Jenna Darabond is a manipulative and even downright dangerous DepravedBisexual, and Lunch Lady Belinda is a DirtyOldWoman AbhorrentAdmirer who targets both males and females (but don't worry, the latter's loony behaviour is PlayedForLaughs).
3rd Apr '18 8:22:38 AM costanton11
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** [[MagicalMinority Matthew Derringer]] and [[MagicalQueer Tanner Christiansen]] play the OnlySaneMan role to DumbJock Blaine, douchebag Than, and the [[YourCheatingHeart occasionally annoying]] Justin.

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** [[MagicalMinority [[MagicalMinorityPerson Matthew Derringer]] and [[MagicalQueer Tanner Christiansen]] play the OnlySaneMan role to DumbJock Blaine, douchebag Than, and the [[YourCheatingHeart occasionally annoying]] Justin.
7th Jan '18 8:22:24 PM 64SuperNintendo
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9th Dec '17 12:34:17 PM tetsuzan
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** This is probably most prevalent in the future episodes where despite at least [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS14E11BartingOver two]] [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS16E5FatManAndLittleBoy episodes]] showing that Bart should be set for life. As well as him repeatedly being shown to be BrilliantButLazy. Despite this Bart is almost always shown to be a FutureLoser based entirely on the flaws he has as a ten year old. Lisa by contrast is always shown to have a RidiculouslySuccessfulFutureSelf inspite of her flaws. For example she repeatedly graduates early despite already showing that she canít handle to stress of not being top dog. So Bart will always be the same while Lisa will just [[HandWave get over it]].
8th Dec '17 3:39:14 PM CheeseDogX
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* Penny of ''WesternAnimation/InspectorGadget'', the most down to earth person on the show and several times more competent than her Uncle Gadget and the entire police department combined, it is not rare for her to save the day almost single-handedly while the latter completely screw things up (she is a 10 year old girl). Granted Brain is near equally skilled, if far more blundering and neurotic in execution. Other female characters such as bumbling MAD agents appear but are rare. This probably has less to do with her gender than her age and status as an AudienceSurrogate character. [[WesternAnimation/InspectorGadget2015 The 2015 series]] gives Penny more flaws, though she still looks far more competent than Gadget.

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* Penny of ''WesternAnimation/InspectorGadget'', the most down to earth person on the show and several times more competent than her Uncle Gadget and the entire police department combined, it is not rare for her to save the day almost single-handedly while the latter completely screw things up (she is a 10 year old girl). Granted Brain is near equally skilled, if far more blundering and neurotic in execution. Other female characters such as bumbling MAD agents appear but are rare. This probably has less to do with her gender than [[AdultsAreUseless her age age]] and status as an AudienceSurrogate character. [[WesternAnimation/InspectorGadget2015 The 2015 series]] gives Penny more flaws, though she still looks far more competent than Gadget.
8th Dec '17 3:15:51 PM CheeseDogX
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* The major reason for the general fandom rejection of [[TheScrappy Lola Bunny]] in ''Film/SpaceJam'', who aside from being the only newcomer that didn't follow any of the usual humorous slapstick conventions. For instance, later, Bugs pushes her out the way when one of the Monstars is about to squash her, as though she, unlike all the other toons and Bugs himself afterwards, will not just get flattened like a pancake or some other [[AmusingInjuries temporary cartoon injury]] that is easy to recover from. Even a ''human'' gets flattened and did not receive permanent damage. One could argue this is less a case of Positive Discrimination and more WouldntHitAGirl. That said, Lola exemplifies CloserToEarth, and she's the most talented basketball player of all the WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes.

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* The major reason for the general fandom rejection of [[TheScrappy Lola Bunny]] in ''Film/SpaceJam'', who aside from being the only newcomer that newcomer, she didn't follow any of the usual humorous slapstick conventions. For instance, later, at one point, Bugs pushes her out the way when one of the Monstars is about to squash her, her. It's as though she, unlike all the other toons and Bugs himself afterwards, will not just get flattened like a pancake or some other [[AmusingInjuries temporary cartoon injury]] that is easy to recover from. Even a ''human'' gets flattened and did not receive permanent damage. One could argue this is less a case of Positive Discrimination and more WouldntHitAGirl. That said, Lola exemplifies CloserToEarth, and she's the most talented basketball player of all the WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes.
8th Dec '17 2:56:09 PM CheeseDogX
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* ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' has gotten some flak for trying a little too hard to push the ActionGirl trope. Originally the show had two combat-capable male characters (Coulson and Ward) and one female one (May) though May was generally regarded as the best of them. This got a little more complicated as the show progressed - Ward left the team, his replacement Triplett [[spoiler: was killed off]], and Coulson was promoted to Director and stopped doing fieldwork nearly as often. Meanwhile, Skye TookALevelInBadass (rather quickly, considering her rather lack of fight scenes the season prior) and Lance Hunter and Bobbi Morse were added to the team. Mack was also introduced, and eventually revealed to be pretty tough, though he dislikes fighting and won't do it unless forced (and in fact spent the first half of season 2 pretending he couldn't). This left a ratio of roughly one active male fighter to three female ones on the team, and again, the women were usually portrayed as better. When the agents fight each other, the fights have always either ended ambiguously (May's first fight with Ward), with the woman winning (May's second fight with Ward, Bobbi sparring with Mack), or otherwise shown her as the better fighter despite a loss (Bobbi's fight with Ward, where she manages to fight him evenly until Kara, another female character, joins the fight on his side, despite Bobbi having spent the last few hours ''being tortured'' and not being in any condition for a fight).them.

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* ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' has gotten some flak for trying a little too hard to push the ActionGirl trope. Originally the show had two combat-capable male characters (Coulson and Ward) and one female one (May) though May was generally regarded as the best of them. This got a little more complicated as the show progressed - Ward left the team, his replacement Triplett [[spoiler: was killed off]], and Coulson was promoted to Director and stopped doing fieldwork nearly as often. Meanwhile, Skye TookALevelInBadass (rather quickly, considering her rather lack of fight scenes the season prior) and Lance Hunter and Bobbi Morse were added to the team. Mack was also introduced, and eventually revealed to be pretty tough, though he dislikes fighting and won't do it unless forced (and in fact spent the first half of season 2 pretending he couldn't). This left a ratio of roughly one active male fighter to three female ones on the team, and again, the women were usually portrayed as better. When the agents fight each other, the fights have always either ended ambiguously (May's first fight with Ward), with the woman winning (May's second fight with Ward, Bobbi sparring with Mack), or otherwise shown her as the better fighter despite a loss (Bobbi's fight with Ward, where she manages to fight him evenly until Kara, another female character, joins the fight on his side, despite Bobbi having spent the last few hours ''being tortured'' and not being in any condition for a fight).them. Then Simmons, the female half of the team's science duo, starts training, while Fitz is content to remain a NonActionGuy.
8th Dec '17 2:49:28 PM HighCrate
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* ''Film/IronMan''
** In ''Film/IronMan2'', ComicBook/BlackWidow causes the very problem she later blames Tony for on his evaluation (she gets close to him and then, aware that he's dying even though he doesn't know she is, tells him he should go out and do whatever he wants... and then slams him in the report for his irresponsible and impulsive actions) but is still held up as an insightful, intelligent agent. And when it comes time for her to fight, she defeats something like two dozen trained security personnel (all male) not only without any of them actually managing to challenge her, but without her even looking like she's trying. Just to drive it home, they include a male character who struggles with defeating ''one'' of these bad guys in the time she knocks out twenty. And he's supposed to be a bodyguard.
** Also, while Pepper Potts is not portrayed as an ActionGirl, the second and third movies especially try to drive home that she's much [[CloserToEarth more sensible]] than Tony (even as she spends the entire movie being passive-aggressive and rude) and [[WomenAreWiser morally superior as well]]. In the second movie, she becomes the company's CEO despite spending most of her career as a secretary.
** [[BlackBestFriend The lead's buddy]] [[ComicBook/WarMachine James Rhodes]] is also much more responsible, level-headed, and reasonable than Tony, to the point that he really does seem to be a much better choice for keeping the Iron Man suit.

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* ''Film/IronMan''
** In ''Film/IronMan2'', ComicBook/BlackWidow causes the very problem she later blames Tony for on his evaluation (she gets close to him and then, aware that he's dying even though he doesn't know she is, tells him he should go out and do whatever he wants... and then slams him in the report for his irresponsible and impulsive actions) but is still held up as an insightful, intelligent agent. And when it comes time for her to fight, she defeats something like two dozen trained security personnel (all male) not only without any of them actually managing to challenge her, but without her even looking like she's trying. Just to drive it home, they include a male character who struggles with defeating ''one'' of these bad guys in the time she knocks out twenty. And he's supposed to be a bodyguard.
** Also, while Pepper Potts is not portrayed as an ActionGirl, the second and third movies especially try to drive home that she's much [[CloserToEarth more sensible]] than Tony (even as she spends the entire movie being passive-aggressive and rude) and [[WomenAreWiser morally superior as well]]. In the second movie, she becomes the company's CEO despite spending most of her career as a secretary.
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''Film/IronMan'': [[BlackBestFriend The lead's buddy]] [[ComicBook/WarMachine James Rhodes]] is also much more responsible, level-headed, and reasonable than Tony, to the point that he really does seem to be a much better choice for keeping the Iron Man suit.
8th Dec '17 2:02:25 PM CheeseDogX
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** In ''Film/IronMan2'', ComicBook/BlackWidow causes the very problem she later blames Tony for on his evaluation (she gets close to him and then, aware that he's dying even though he doesn't know she is, tells him he should go out and do whatever he wants... and then slams him in the report for his irresponsible and impulsive actions) but is still held up as an insightful, intelligent agent. And when it comes time for her to fight, she defeats something like two dozen trained security personnel (all male) not only without any of them actually managing to challenge her, but without her even looking like she's trying. Just to drive it home, they include a male character who struggles with defeating ''one'' of these bad guys in the time she knocks out twenty.

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** In ''Film/IronMan2'', ComicBook/BlackWidow causes the very problem she later blames Tony for on his evaluation (she gets close to him and then, aware that he's dying even though he doesn't know she is, tells him he should go out and do whatever he wants... and then slams him in the report for his irresponsible and impulsive actions) but is still held up as an insightful, intelligent agent. And when it comes time for her to fight, she defeats something like two dozen trained security personnel (all male) not only without any of them actually managing to challenge her, but without her even looking like she's trying. Just to drive it home, they include a male character who struggles with defeating ''one'' of these bad guys in the time she knocks out twenty. And he's supposed to be a bodyguard.
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