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22nd Mar '17 11:21:21 AM adbrown
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** It gets worse: when V [[spoiler:tells V's mate that V made a DealWithTheDevil to save V's mate and their children]], and ze gets angry. V insists that ze doesn't know the whole story. Ze admits this, but calls V on [[spoiler:keeping the power V needed to save their family]], and asks V to make a choice between V's power and their family. V could have tried to explain more, if only to justify hirself and why V needs (or wants) to keep V's power a little longer, but instead V just says that V needs to make everything right again. An ultimatum had been issued and time was slipping away, but for someone who wants to keep both, V certainly isn't acting in a manner that will let V do so. Though V's mental state may be justified.

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** It gets worse: when V Vaarsuvius [[spoiler:tells V's mate Inkyrius that V made a DealWithTheDevil to save V's mate and their children]], and ze Inkyrius gets angry. V insists that ze Inkyrius doesn't know the whole story. Ze Inkyrius admits this, but calls V on [[spoiler:keeping the power V needed to save their family]], and asks V to make a choice between V's power and their family. V could have tried to explain more, if only to justify hirself and why V needs (or wants) to keep V's hold on to the power a little longer, but instead V just says that V needs to make everything right again. An ultimatum had been issued and time was slipping away, but for someone who wants to keep both, V certainly isn't acting in a manner that will let V do so. Though V's mental state may be justified.
5th Mar '17 6:29:59 PM nombretomado
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* The famous "{{Marvel}} misunderstanding" -- [[LetsYouAndHimFight the stock situation in which superheroes who unexpectedly run into each other promptly start a fight because at least one side jumps to the conclusion that the other is up to no good]]. Once in a while even lampshaded by more self-aware characters (such as ComicBook/{{Quasar}} in one of his own issues).

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* The famous "{{Marvel}} "{{Creator/Marvel}} misunderstanding" -- [[LetsYouAndHimFight the stock situation in which superheroes who unexpectedly run into each other promptly start a fight because at least one side jumps to the conclusion that the other is up to no good]]. Once in a while even lampshaded by more self-aware characters (such as ComicBook/{{Quasar}} in one of his own issues).
23rd Feb '17 9:19:44 PM Gravidef
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* In ''Theatre/SweeneyTodd'', Mrs. Lovett deliberately invokes this trope when she remarks that Sweeney's wife, Lucy, poisoned herself after Judge Turpin sent Sweeney away on a trumped-up charge and then brutally raped her. [[spoiler: [[ExactWords While Lucy did in fact poison herself]], she didn't ''die''--instead, she lost her mind and became the homeless, taunting Beggar Woman.]] Even at the very beginning of the musical, [[spoiler: the Beggar Woman seems to recognize Sweeney ("Hey, don't I know you, mister?"), and had Sweeney taken some time to speak with her--or even looked more closely at her--he might have realized who she was and kept a lot of innocent people, and Lucy herself, from dying]].
* In ''Theatre/{{Wicked}}'', the entire subplot involving Nessarose, Elphaba's younger sister, centers on this. In the first act, Glinda tries to stop Boq, a Munchkin hopelessly in love with her, from getting on her nerves by pairing him with Nessa. Boq's too much of a NiceGuy to tell Nessa what's really going on (although he does try), and Nessa, who's in a wheelchair and has never been shown any affection from the opposite sex, immediately decides that they're meant to be together. This leads to all sorts of disasters, including Nessa becoming the Wicked Witch of the East (she takes over leadership of Munchkinland after her father, the governor, dies and strips the Munchkins of their rights to keep Boq close to her) and Boq [[spoiler: becoming the Tin Man]] when she screws up a spell designed to make him fall in love against his will. Heck, the whole situation indirectly [[spoiler: brings Dorothy to Oz]] when Glinda (who's angry at her fiancee for leaving her for Elphaba) tells the Wizard and Madame Morrible that the witch's one weakness is her sister.
** The above "fiancee" situation is another example. Fiyero is ''initially'' a BrainlessBeauty and thus a perfect match for Glinda, but it isn't long before his more sensitive, activist side begins to emerge. He never clearly tells Glinda that he isn't the same party animal that he used to be, and as a result, she doesn't (or wills herself not to) see that he's no longer in love with her.
23rd Feb '17 9:01:56 PM Gravidef
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* Parodied in "The Poptart Tragedy," a SoBadItsGood story (most likely deliberately awful) about a boy and girl. The girl wants some Pop-Tarts, and asks her boyfriend to get them. When he returns, she tells him that she's pregnant and asks if he'll stay with her boyfriend. When he says "no," she cries and runs away--but without eating the Pop-Tarts, her blood sugar lowers and she tumbles to the ground, somehow dying. The boyfriend then reveals that he said he wasn't going to be her boyfriend because he planned on proposing, thus becoming her ''husband.'' Listen to the [[SarcasmMode heart-rending tragedy]] narrated [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcn1Q9fWahM here]].
** A similar example occurs in "5ever." A girl asks her boyfriend if he will love her forever; again, he says no, and again, she runs away and dies (this time she's struck by a car). When he finds her corpse, he explains that he didn't plan on loving her forever--he was going to love her ''five''ever, which is apparently more than "four"ever.
5th Feb '17 9:04:03 AM Nazetrime
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* ''Wecomic/SonicTheGUNProject'': If Shadow had been upfront with Sonic, Knuckles and Sally in the first encounter in the first issue, they could've likely stopped [[spoiler: Commander Tower]] sooner. By the time he did, the three had unwittingly clued in [[spoiler: Tower]] that Shadow was onto him and forced him to get involved

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* ''Wecomic/SonicTheGUNProject'': If Shadow had been upfront with Sonic, Knuckles and Sally in the first encounter in the first issue, they could've likely stopped [[spoiler: Commander Tower]] sooner. By the time he did, the three had unwittingly clued in [[spoiler: Tower]] that Shadow was onto him and forced him to get involvedinvolved.
* ''Webcomic/StandStillStaySilent'': In Chapter 13, poor phrasing on both sides during a tense combat situation kept both Sigrun and Mikkel from realizing that [[spoiler:there still was a troll under the tank, giving the thing ample time to break through the vehicle's floor before Lalli noticed its presence, and time to bite Tuuri before Lalli could take care of it]].
29th Jan '17 1:29:10 PM Dravencour
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In order for this trope to work, the misunderstanding or miscommunication must be borne out of the natural characterization of the characters involved. A character who has a hard time trusting someone, for example, is more likely to dismiss that someone's explanation of what's going on out of hand than to hear the person out. Someone who is naturally shy or has NoSocialSkills may also have trouble getting their point across. A HorribleJudgeOfCharacter may implicitly trust a villain who wants nothing but bad things for him, and tend not to believe those who tell him of the villain's evil intentions. A [[TheDitherer Ditherer]] may refuse to speak up on something because it would involve making a choice one way or the other.

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In order for this trope to work, the misunderstanding or miscommunication must be needs to have a reason to occur, best borne out of the natural characterization of the characters involved. A character who has a hard time trusting someone, for example, is more likely to dismiss that someone's explanation of what's going on out of hand than to hear the person out. Someone who is naturally shy or has NoSocialSkills may also have trouble getting their point across. A HorribleJudgeOfCharacter may implicitly trust a villain who wants nothing but bad things for him, and tend not to believe those who tell him of the villain's evil intentions. A [[TheDitherer Ditherer]] may refuse to speak up on something because it would involve making a choice one way or the other.
29th Jan '17 1:28:08 PM Dravencour
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Basically, the miscommunication or misunderstanding should be borne out of flaws and behaviors that a character has had from the start rather than something that happened because the author needed a story to go a certain way and [[CharacterDerailment derailed the characters involved]], making them hold the IdiotBall. Authors who don't do this run the risk of straining the audience's WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.

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Basically, the miscommunication or misunderstanding should be borne out of flaws and behaviors that a character has had from the start rather than something that happened because the author needed a story to go a certain way and [[CharacterDerailment derailed the characters involved]], making them hold the IdiotBall. Authors who don't do pull this trope badly run the risk of straining the audience's WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.
29th Jan '17 11:24:33 AM Dravencour
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Sometimes, this poor communication can be entirely legitimate. After all, miscommunication and misunderstanding are TruthInTelevision, and some stories are written with this point in mind. This often happens in mystery stories, such as where a murderer [[MurderByMistake kills an innocent victim due to a misunderstanding]].

But frequently, a situation arises where the author wants the plot to go a certain direction, but for it to do so, one or more characters have to misunderstand each other. Common enough in RealLife, so it should be no trouble to pull off in fiction, right? Well, there's a few problems... the misunderstanding is pretty easy to clear up, and the characters are pretty good speakers who are on good terms and speak frankly to each other without needlessly holding back.

So what's the author to do? They have ''the coolest'' [[MandatoryTwistEnding plot twist]] or ClimaxBoss fight, but it absolutely hinges on these guys being, however briefly, unable to articulate their point. To solve this problem, the author reduces the characters' verbal skills to those of three-year-olds. ''Shy'' three-year-olds, with a stutter. And then we see that poor communication kills.

All the characters involved go [[OutOfCharacterMoment out of character for a moment]] so that they [[CannotSpitItOut can't (or won't) tell]] their [[OneSideOfTheStory side of the story]], or create a false urgency because there's "NoTimeToExplain", or just plain act like a disgruntled loner and tell their friends to FigureItOutYourself when cooperation (or at least [[RightHandVersusLeftHand non-interference]]) is infinitely preferable. No matter which reason, it seems that at least half of the people involved have simultaneously gotten hold of the IdiotBall, if not [[IdiotPlot everyone]].

Or to summarize: Poor Communication Kills is when a misunderstanding is [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief entirely implausible]] and [[CharacterDerailment against]] the characters' previously exhibited communication skills, personality, and relationship(s), and any normal person could clear up the misunderstanding in less than 30 seconds and solve the plot. (However, those rarer instances when ''in-character'' poor communication kills can count, too.) This is a frequent companion trope of the IdiotBall and can often drive an IdiotPlot right off a cliff.

Though similar, this trope does not include things like SelectiveObliviousness, YoureJustJealous, or SarcasticConfession, as those are failures to ''listen'' rather than speak; though, honestly, authors can nerf even ''that'' ability when they need the ReasonableAuthorityFigure to become a [[AdultsAreUseless useless adult.]]

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Sometimes, this poor communication can be entirely legitimate. After all, In many stories, particularly those that rely on {{Dramatic|Irony}} or Tragic {{Irony}}, miscommunication and misunderstanding are TruthInTelevision, and some stories are written with this point can often play a role in mind. setting off or allowing bad things to happen. This often happens in mystery stories, such as where a murderer [[MurderByMistake kills an innocent victim due to a misunderstanding]].

But frequently, a situation arises
misunderstanding]], as well as in {{Traged|y}}ies, where poor communication is often the author wants result of the plot characters' own {{Fatal Flaw}}s, which lead them to commit {{Tragic Mistake}}s that pave the way for everything to go a certain direction, but for it to do so, one or more characters have to misunderstand each other. Common enough pear-shaped. This is also an all-too-common occurrence in RealLife, so it should be no trouble where many real life tragedies could have been avoided had the right people shared information that could have prevented it, but didn't for all kinds of reasons.

In order for this trope
to pull off in fiction, right? Well, there's a few problems... work, the misunderstanding is pretty easy to clear up, and or miscommunication must be borne out of the natural characterization of the characters are pretty good speakers involved. A character who are on good terms and speak frankly has a hard time trusting someone, for example, is more likely to each other without needlessly holding back.

So
dismiss that someone's explanation of what's the author to do? They have ''the coolest'' [[MandatoryTwistEnding plot twist]] or ClimaxBoss fight, but it absolutely hinges going on these guys being, however briefly, unable to articulate their point. To solve this problem, the author reduces the characters' verbal skills to those of three-year-olds. ''Shy'' three-year-olds, with a stutter. And then we see that poor communication kills.

All the characters involved go [[OutOfCharacterMoment
out of character for a moment]] so that they [[CannotSpitItOut can't (or won't) tell]] hand than to hear the person out. Someone who is naturally shy or has NoSocialSkills may also have trouble getting their [[OneSideOfTheStory side point across. A HorribleJudgeOfCharacter may implicitly trust a villain who wants nothing but bad things for him, and tend not to believe those who tell him of the story]], or create a false urgency villain's evil intentions. A [[TheDitherer Ditherer]] may refuse to speak up on something because there's "NoTimeToExplain", it would involve making a choice one way or just plain act like a disgruntled loner and tell their friends to FigureItOutYourself when cooperation (or at least [[RightHandVersusLeftHand non-interference]]) is infinitely preferable. No matter which reason, it seems that at least half of the people involved have simultaneously gotten hold of other.

Basically,
the IdiotBall, if not [[IdiotPlot everyone]].

Or to summarize: Poor Communication Kills is when a
miscommunication or misunderstanding is [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief entirely implausible]] should be borne out of flaws and behaviors that a character has had from the start rather than something that happened because the author needed a story to go a certain way and [[CharacterDerailment against]] derailed the characters' previously exhibited communication skills, personality, and relationship(s), and any normal person could clear up characters involved]], making them hold the misunderstanding in less than 30 seconds and solve IdiotBall. Authors who don't do this run the plot. (However, those rarer instances when ''in-character'' poor communication kills can count, too.) This is a frequent companion trope risk of straining the IdiotBall and can often drive an IdiotPlot right off a cliff.

audience's WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.

Though similar, this trope does not include things like SelectiveObliviousness, YoureJustJealous, or SarcasticConfession, as those are failures to ''listen'' rather than speak; though, honestly, authors can nerf even ''that'' ability when they need the ReasonableAuthorityFigure to become speak (though listening is also a [[AdultsAreUseless useless adult.]]
vital part of good communication).



* BeAsUnhelpfulAsPossible: A character goes out of their way to not give someone useful information, usually due to lack of trust.



* CassandraDidIt: when she's proven right, sometimes, everyone will just assume she did it.

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* CassandraDidIt: when When she's proven right, sometimes, everyone will just assume she did it.it.
* CellPhonesAreUseless: characters are unable to communicate by phone due to a plot-convenient malfunction, such as a lack of signal or a flat battery.



* ConvenientlyInterruptedDocument: Parts of a FictionalDocument are redacted or otherwise rendered illegible, or a character is interrupted in the course of reading them, preventing the character from finding out what they need to know.
* CorruptedData: The message cannot be read on arrival
* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: When it's acknowledged InUniverse that this trope happened.



* TheEndIsNigh: No-one believes those crazy guys with sandwich boards anyway.
* CellPhonesAreUseless: characters are unable to communicate by phone due to a plot-convenient malfunction, such as a lack of signal or a flat battery.
* ConvenientlyInterruptedDocument: Parts of a FictionalDocument are redacted or otherwise rendered illegible, or a character is interrupted in the course of reading them, preventing the character from finding out what they need to know.
* CorruptedData: The message cannot be read on arrival
* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: When it's acknowledged InUniverse that this trope happened.



* TheEndIsNigh: No-one believes those crazy guys with sandwich boards anyway.



* MomentKiller: A character who wants to get their point across is interrupted by another character.



* TragicallyMisguidedFavor: When you think you do something good for a person, but it turns out to be the worst thing that could happen.

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* TragicallyMisguidedFavor: When you think you do did something good for a person, but it turns out to be the worst thing that could happen.
27th Jan '17 7:55:29 AM kataangluvr
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* In Shion's route for ''VisualNovel/StarStruckLove'', Kujo never explains to the heroine the reason why she should stay away from Shion. This leads to her believing that he's a terrible person and [[spoiler:Shion locking her in a motel room.]]
8th Jan '17 5:11:56 AM CASCHero
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* ''Wecomic/SonicTheGUNProject'': If Shadow had been upfront with Sonic, Knuckles and Sally in the first encounter in the first issue, they could've likely stopped [[spoiler: Commander Tower]] sooner. By the time he did, the three had unwittingly clued in [[spoiler: Tower]] that Shadow was onto him and forced him to get involved
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