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18th Jun '17 1:34:59 PM MarqFJA
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Though sometimes introduced as anti-heroes or turncoats from the other side, they cease to be those things because they place their fundamental loyalty upon the shoulders of their "master". Basically they become a good guy's secretly-evil minion, or a bad guy's [[TheDragon much-badder sidekick]].

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Though sometimes introduced as anti-heroes or turncoats from the other side, they cease to be those things because they place their fundamental loyalty upon the shoulders of their "master". Basically they become a good guy's secretly-evil minion, or a bad guy's [[EvilerThanThou much-badder]] [[TheDragon much-badder sidekick]].
18th Jun '17 1:28:35 PM MarqFJA
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The Poisonous Friend is usually attached to a [[ActualPacifist pacifist]]/[[AllLovingHero all-loving]] IdealHero or a [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]]/[[NobleDemon noble]] AntiVillain. They tend to consider their "master" a person to be worshipped or protected at all costs -- even ones that the master [[WhatTheHellHero would not knowingly permit]].

For example, if the master is a [[TheFettered Fettered]] pacifist [[ThouShaltNotKill completely against killing his enemies]], the Poisonous Friend might pay lip-service to this trait while the master is nearby... and then turn around and butcher the enemy behind the master's back. If caught, they'll claim they just [[IDidWhatIHadToDo "did what had to be done"]]. [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter Few masters catch on.]]

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The Poisonous Friend is usually attached to a [[ActualPacifist pacifist]]/[[AllLovingHero all-loving]] an IdealHero or a [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]]/[[NobleDemon noble]] an AntiVillain. They tend to consider their "master" a person to be worshipped or protected at all costs -- even ones that the master [[WhatTheHellHero would not knowingly permit]].

For example, if the master is a [[TheFettered Fettered]] pacifist ActualPacifist or a NobleDemon who is [[ThouShaltNotKill completely against killing his enemies]], the Poisonous Friend might pay lip-service to this trait while the master is nearby... and then turn around and butcher the enemy behind the master's back. If caught, they'll claim they just [[IDidWhatIHadToDo "did what had to be done"]]. [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter Few masters catch on.]]
18th Jun '17 1:26:56 PM MarqFJA
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The Poisonous Friend is usually attached to a [[ActualPacifist pacifist]]/[[AllLovingHero all-loving]] HeroProtagonist or an [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]]/[[NobleDemon noble]] AntiVillain. They tend to consider their "master" a person to be worshipped or protected at all costs -- even ones that the master [[WhatTheHellHero would not knowingly permit]].

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The Poisonous Friend is usually attached to a [[ActualPacifist pacifist]]/[[AllLovingHero all-loving]] HeroProtagonist IdealHero or an a [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]]/[[NobleDemon noble]] AntiVillain. They tend to consider their "master" a person to be worshipped or protected at all costs -- even ones that the master [[WhatTheHellHero would not knowingly permit]].
18th Jun '17 1:25:15 PM MarqFJA
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The Poisonous Friend is usually attached to a [[ActualPacifist pacifist]]/[[AllLovingHero all-loving]] HeroProtagonist or an [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]]/[[NobleDemon noble]] villain. They tend to consider their "master" a person to be worshipped or protected at all costs -- even ones that the master [[WhatTheHellHero would not knowingly permit]].

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The Poisonous Friend is usually attached to a [[ActualPacifist pacifist]]/[[AllLovingHero all-loving]] HeroProtagonist or an [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]]/[[NobleDemon noble]] villain.AntiVillain. They tend to consider their "master" a person to be worshipped or protected at all costs -- even ones that the master [[WhatTheHellHero would not knowingly permit]].
18th Jun '17 1:24:45 PM MarqFJA
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The Poisonous Friend is usually attached to a [[AllLovingHero pacifist protagonist]] or an [[WellIntentionedExtremist idealistic villain]]. They tend to consider their "master" a person to be worshipped or protected at all costs -- even ones that the master [[WhatTheHellHero would not knowingly permit]].

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The Poisonous Friend is usually attached to a [[AllLovingHero pacifist protagonist]] [[ActualPacifist pacifist]]/[[AllLovingHero all-loving]] HeroProtagonist or an [[WellIntentionedExtremist idealistic villain]].well-intentioned]]/[[NobleDemon noble]] villain. They tend to consider their "master" a person to be worshipped or protected at all costs -- even ones that the master [[WhatTheHellHero would not knowingly permit]].
16th May '17 4:17:52 PM nombretomado
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* Subverted in ''TheTwelveKingdoms:'' In the last arc, Kouya initially appears to be a PoisonousFriend to his leader, Atsuyu; he murders dissidents regularly and claims to have "exiled" them when Atsuyu, who is presented in a positively saintly light, asks. However, Atsuyu is revealed to be a ManipulativeBastard who abuses Kouya's extreme loyalty to get away with atrocities while keeping his own hands clean.

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* Subverted in ''TheTwelveKingdoms:'' ''LightNovel/TheTwelveKingdoms:'' In the last arc, Kouya initially appears to be a PoisonousFriend to his leader, Atsuyu; he murders dissidents regularly and claims to have "exiled" them when Atsuyu, who is presented in a positively saintly light, asks. However, Atsuyu is revealed to be a ManipulativeBastard who abuses Kouya's extreme loyalty to get away with atrocities while keeping his own hands clean.
21st Apr '17 10:31:21 AM EdwardGil
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** ''Manga/PuellaMagiOrikoMagica'' demonstrates thjs beautifully where Madoka [[WhatTheHellHero calls Homura out for only protecting her]]. Homura responds by saying to never ask Homura to stop protecting Madoka.

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** ''Manga/PuellaMagiOrikoMagica'' demonstrates thjs this beautifully where Madoka [[WhatTheHellHero calls Homura out for only protecting her]]. Homura responds by saying to never ask Homura to stop protecting Madoka.
19th Apr '17 9:22:32 AM dmcreif
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* Detective Jimmy [=McNulty=] in ''Series/TheWire'' is likeable, witty, fairly moral for a Baltimore city police, and one of the best detectives in the BPD. Sadly, he has a habit of backstabbing his colleagues in order to get results and wildly breaking the rules, to the point that nearly every detective ends up having to do some serious fighting to hold onto their careers after one of [=McNulty=]'s crazier/stupider plans goes [[DidntThinkThisThrough disastrously wrong.]]
-->'''Detective Crutchfield''': Did [[=McNulty=]] fuck you?
-->'''Detective Moreland / "The Bunk"''': He tried. But mostly he just fucks himself.

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* Detective Jimmy [=McNulty=] in ''Series/TheWire'' is likeable, witty, fairly moral for a Baltimore city police, and one of the best detectives in the BPD. Sadly, he has a habit of backstabbing his colleagues in order to get results and wildly breaking the rules, to the point that nearly every detective ends up having to do some serious fighting to hold onto their careers after one of [=McNulty=]'s crazier/stupider plans goes [[DidntThinkThisThrough disastrously wrong.]]
-->'''Detective -->'''Michael Crutchfield''': Did [[=McNulty=]] fuck you?
-->'''Detective Moreland / "The Bunk"''': -->'''Bunk Moreland''': He tried. But mostly he just fucks himself.



* [[VillainProtagonist Walter White]] is this to [[AntiVillain Jesse Pinkman]] in ''Series/BreakingBad''. While Jesse wasn't completely innocent before getting into business with Walt, it's undeniable that his life has taken a definite [[BreakTheCutie turn for the worse]] because of Walt's influence. [[spoiler:Walt even manages to manipulate Jesse into killing a man in cold blood.]] Jesse is equally poisonous to Walt, if usually unintentionally, and in a completely different way: while his sincerity might be debatable, we continue to see Walt go to impressive lows in order to ensure Jesse's safety, despite the fact that he is an emotionally volatile wild card and a liability. Add this to the fact that Jesse is the one who gets Walt into the drug business in the first place, and you have a recipe for one of the most mutually poisonous friendships on television. One so toxic, it has a collateral death count of [[spoiler: close to a hundred, if not ''in'' the hundreds]].

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* [[VillainProtagonist Walter White]] is this to [[AntiVillain Jesse Pinkman]] in ''Series/BreakingBad''. While Jesse wasn't completely innocent before getting into business with Walt, it's undeniable that his life has taken a definite [[BreakTheCutie turn for the worse]] because of Walt's influence. [[spoiler:Walt even manages to manipulate Jesse into killing a man Gale in cold blood.]] Jesse is equally poisonous to Walt, if usually unintentionally, and in a completely different way: while his sincerity might be debatable, we continue to see Walt go to impressive lows in order to ensure Jesse's safety, despite the fact that he is an emotionally volatile wild card and a liability. Add this to the fact that Jesse is the one who gets Walt into the drug business in the first place, and you have a recipe for one of the most mutually poisonous friendships on television. One so toxic, it has a collateral death count of [[spoiler: close to a hundred, if not ''in'' the hundreds]].


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* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Matt Murdock has a bit of this going on with his double life as both a lawyer and the Devil of Hell's Kitchen. In season 2, his troubles balancing out the two sides of his life - between defending Frank Castle and running around with Elektra - ultimately end up straining his friendships with Foggy and Karen. Matt is self-aware of this, admitting during his makeout scene with Karen early in season 2, "I have this incredible ability to bring disaster to the best things in my life." Karen gets a glimpse of it after Matt's faltering in contributing to Frank's trial and seeing Elektra in Matt's bed, saying to Frank during the diner scene:
-->'''Karen Page:''' He's the kind of man that hurts people. Not like you, but... he damages them. Breaks them.
19th Apr '17 9:13:21 AM dmcreif
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-->-- '''Detective Lester Freamon''', ''Series/TheWire''

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-->-- '''Detective Lester '''Lester Freamon''', ''Series/TheWire''
9th Apr '17 5:34:31 PM intastiel
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* Perrin's loving girlfriend and wife Faile in ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime''. Besides being a very jealous type and giving him a hard time over any woman she suspects might want him, she also indulges in all the dirty aspects of politics he considers to be wrong, including sabotage, espionage, manipulation and assassination. Some of those things he tells her not to do, but she doesn't listen. The rest, he just doesn't know about...
** That's doubtful, as he knew the type of woman he married, especially after meeting her parents. It's more of a contrived ignorance, as he is very aware of just how ruthless she can be. It's more that he knows better than to ''ask'' as he would probably not like the answer.

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* Perrin's loving girlfriend and wife Faile in ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime''. Besides being a very jealous type and giving him a hard time over any woman she suspects might want him, she also indulges in all the dirty aspects of politics he considers to be wrong, including sabotage, espionage, manipulation and assassination. Some of those things he tells her not to do, but she doesn't listen. The rest, he just doesn't know about...
** That's doubtful, as he knew the type of woman he married, especially after meeting her parents. It's more of a contrived ignorance, as he is very aware of just how ruthless she can be. It's more that he knows better than to ''ask'' as he would probably
chooses not like the answer.to ask about or think about too closely.
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