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15th Dec '17 1:37:02 AM KnightofLsama
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** The important parts of the point defence systems of up to date ships in the settings are counter-missiles, very small, ''very'' fast missiles with no warhead who take out attacking missiles by simply ramming it at a closing speed very close to the speed of light and laser clusters that shoot down missiles before they can attack. The reason autocannon became useless at the job is because of the development of laser warheads that use an explosion to generate several powerful x-ray or gamma-ray lasers as their main means of attack. Since they don't have to get up close to attack, autocannon were just too slow and too short ranged to be effective anymore.
9th Dec '17 8:10:45 PM Trooper924
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** In the ''[[StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]]'' episode "Valiant", Red Squad's plan to destroy a massive Dominion warship involves them flying up to it real close and hitting it's weak point with a special torpedo. They fly in, fire the torpedo, and the Dominion warship [[spoiler: [[SubvertedTrope is completely unaffected]], it's weak point being better defended than what Red Squad had assumed. Things go downhill from there...]]
12th Nov '17 4:19:38 PM Ninjat126
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** Notably, the series explicitly states that laser point defense is almost completely reliable. Since the lasers travel at essentially lightspeed and the setting's computers are so powerful, GARDIAN systems will functionally always destroy fighters and ordnance within range. Different ship design philosophies use different kinds of point defense, but the thing they all have in common is that they're functionally flawless until they overheat or are somehow damaged.
6th Sep '17 9:47:36 PM LinTaylor
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** In ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Char's Counterattack]]'', a Neo-Zeon ace is killed by the ''[[CoolShip Ra-Cailum]]'''s point defense after getting cocky and attacking the ship by herself.
** Garrod Ran of ''[[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam X]]'' managed to defeat a MonsterOfTheWeek mobile suit, a Correl, with his Gundam's head vulcans, but only because it was the most fragile of {{Fragile Speedster}}s.[[note]]The pilot, whose preferred combat style was DeathByAThousandCuts, ordered the mechanics to strip it of any and all excess weight -- which included all the armor except for the bare minimum required to cover up the internal machinery.[[/note]]

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** In Quite a few mobile suits (including almost every single Gundam) have vulcan guns mounted in their heads or chests. These rarely ever get used, since all they're good for is taking out cameras or the occasional CriticalHit; they don't even get used to shoot down missiles, their intended function. The only aversion comes in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeed Gundam SEED C.E.73 Stargazer]]'', where we get a very visceral demonstration of anti-personnel machineguns mounted in the [[MeaningfulName Slaughter Daggers']] feet. Exceptions also occur in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Char's Counterattack]]'', a Neo-Zeon ace is killed by Counterattack]]'' (where the ''[[CoolShip Ra-Cailum]]'''s point defense after getting cocky Nu Gundam shreds a Geara Doga with its head vulcans) and attacking the ship by herself.
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in ''[[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam X]]'' managed to defeat X]]'', where (the Double X defeats a MonsterOfTheWeek mobile suit, a Correl, suit with his Gundam's head vulcans, but only vulcans because it was the most fragile of {{Fragile Speedster}}s.[[note]]The pilot, whose preferred combat style was DeathByAThousandCuts, ordered the mechanics to strip it of any and all excess weight -- which included all the armor except for the bare minimum required to cover up the internal machinery.[[/note]][[/note]]).
** Also in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Char's Counterattack]]'', a Neo-Zeon ace is killed by the ''[[CoolShip Ra-Cailum]]'''s point defenses after getting cocky and attacking the ship by herself.



** Additionally, quite a few mobile suits (including almost every single Gundam) has vulcan guns mounted in their heads or chests. These rarely ever get used, since all they're good for is taking out cameras or the occasional CriticalHit; they don't even get used to shoot down missiles, their intended function. The only aversion comes in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeed Gundam SEED C.E.73 Stargazer]]'', where we get a very visceral demonstration of anti-personnel machineguns mounted in the [[MeaningfulName Slaughter Daggers']] feet. Exceptions also occur in ''Char's Counterattack'' (where the Nu Gundam shreds a Geara Doga with its head vulcans) and the aforementioned example from ''Gundam X''.
22nd Aug '17 8:48:04 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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** Notably, an aversion is hinted at in the ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration TNG]]'' episode "Conundrum," when six Lysian fighters attempt to intercept ''Enterprise''. In a casual, almost offhanded salvo of phaser fire, ''Enterprise'' [[CurbStompBattle destroys all six at very close range in under two seconds]].
22nd Aug '17 5:47:39 AM EDP
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** Similarly, the space battle at the end of ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' shows Naboo fighters getting blown out of the sky, but they don't seem to bother Anakin in the least.

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** Similarly, the space battle at the end of ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' shows the guns of the droid control ship are ineffective against the Naboo fighters getting blown out of the sky, but they don't seem to bother and, most importantly, can't stop Anakin from ''landing in their hangar''. {{Justified}} as [[TechnicallyATransport it's actually a giant merchant ship that was originally unarmed (the powerful shields and the least.sheer size being its best defense against attacks from underequipped pirates) and has been hastily refitted with some weapons]] before the invasion of Naboo (as a planetary government would have access to better weapons than pirates).
16th Jul '17 4:31:43 PM WillKeaton
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** Garrod Ran of ''[[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam X]]'' managed to defeat a MonsterOfTheWeek mobile suit, a Correl, with his Gundam's head vulcans, but only because it was the most fragile of {{Fragile Speedster}}s[[note]]The pilot, whose preferred combat style was DeathByAThousandCuts, ordered the mechanics to strip it of any and all excess weight -- which included all the armor except for the bare minimum required to cover up the internal machinery[[/note]].

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** Garrod Ran of ''[[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam X]]'' managed to defeat a MonsterOfTheWeek mobile suit, a Correl, with his Gundam's head vulcans, but only because it was the most fragile of {{Fragile Speedster}}s[[note]]The Speedster}}s.[[note]]The pilot, whose preferred combat style was DeathByAThousandCuts, ordered the mechanics to strip it of any and all excess weight -- which included all the armor except for the bare minimum required to cover up the internal machinery[[/note]].machinery.[[/note]]
26th Jun '17 7:42:00 AM InterLoper
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* Downplayed and justified in ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'': ''Touch-and-Go'' wouldn't be able to scratch [[spoiler: UNS battleplate ''Morokweng'']] if the latter's annie-plants and shields weren't down in an attempt to [[spoiler: hide from a [[EldritchAbomination Pa'anuri]]]], and the remaining point defenses were ineffective against Tagii who had her shield still up as she [[spoiler: [[RammingAlwaysWorks rammed the battleplate]] and smashed clear through before the Pa'anuri she lured in tore ''Morokweng'' apart like a wet tissue]]. And still, [[spoiler: ''Touch-and-Go'' was rendered barely mobile and irreparably damaged by the [=PDs=] in the process]].

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25th Jun '17 9:08:07 AM trumpetmarietta
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*** ''HMS Repulse'' and ''HMS Prince of Wales'' were sunk in 1941 by land-based Japanese aircraft, and became the first capital ships to be sunk purely by air-power. They were operating without the support of any smaller vessels or fighter cover. The early loss of electrical power on the modern ''Prince of Wales'' didn't help, as its anti-aircraft turrets were rendered inoperative. It also helped the Japanese a lot that the 40 mm shells had suffered from heat and humidity and the [[DidntThinkThisThrough electronics and fine mechanics of the HACS anti-aircraft fire control system was designed for operating in cold and temperate climates]], such as Atlantic and Mediterranean, and was rendered inoperable in the heat and humidity tropics. Both ships could have just as well thrown rocks against the attacking Japanese. On the other hand, RN capital ships had successfully defended themself against German and Italian land-based bombers for two years at Atlantic and Mediterranean before the Force Z disaster.

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*** ''HMS Repulse'' HMS ''Repulse'' and ''HMS Prince HMS ''Prince of Wales'' were sunk in 1941 by land-based Japanese aircraft, and became the first capital ships to be sunk purely by air-power. They were operating without the support of any smaller vessels or fighter cover. The early loss of electrical power on the modern ''Prince of Wales'' didn't help, as its anti-aircraft turrets were rendered inoperative. It also helped the Japanese a lot that the 40 mm shells had suffered from heat and humidity and the [[DidntThinkThisThrough electronics and fine mechanics of the HACS anti-aircraft fire control system was designed for operating in cold and temperate climates]], such as Atlantic and Mediterranean, and was rendered inoperable in the heat and humidity tropics. Both ships could have just as well thrown rocks against the attacking Japanese. On the other hand, RN capital ships had successfully defended themself against German and Italian land-based bombers for two years at Atlantic and Mediterranean before the Force Z disaster.
4th Jun '17 1:21:46 PM thatother1dude
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' used this. One wonders why Xanatos and Macbeth invested so much money in their respective point-defence systems, given that the turrets were invariably too slow to track gargoyles in NotQuiteFlight and were made short work of.
* Averted in Disney's ''WesternAnimation/TaleSpin'', the only entrance to Cape Suzette by air or sea is through a long, narrow canyon cut into a sheer cliff. To protect the city against invasion, the top of the cliff, as well as the canyon walls, are littered with dozens of manned anti-air flak guns. Although individually they're not very accurate, the sheer ''[[MoreDakka number]]'' of them makes their barrage so fearsome even the Air Pirates in their flying fortress would rather turn tail than face them.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' used this. ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'': One wonders why Xanatos and Macbeth invested so much money in their respective point-defence systems, given that the turrets were invariably too slow to track gargoyles in NotQuiteFlight and were made short work of.
* Averted in Disney's ''WesternAnimation/TaleSpin'', ''WesternAnimation/TaleSpin'': the only entrance to Cape Suzette by air or sea is through a long, narrow canyon cut into a sheer cliff. To protect the city against invasion, the top of the cliff, as well as the canyon walls, are littered with dozens of manned anti-air flak guns. Although individually they're not very accurate, the sheer ''[[MoreDakka number]]'' of them makes their barrage so fearsome even the Air Pirates in their flying fortress would rather turn tail than face them.
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