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24th Jul '16 5:18:55 AM Beedle
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* In ''Film/KickAss'', the titular protagonist seems to have made the overall situation ''worse'' by being there. sure, he ultimately saved the say, but Big Daddy and Hit Girl would likely have beaten the bad guys without him, just a lot sooner and with less blood spilt. (And none of ''his own'' spilt.)

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* In ''Film/KickAss'', the titular protagonist seems to have made the overall situation ''worse'' by being there. sure, Sure, he ultimately saved the say, day, but Big Daddy and Hit Girl would likely have beaten the bad guys without him, just a lot sooner and with less blood spilt. (And none of ''his own'' spilt.)
24th Jul '16 5:14:19 AM Beedle
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* Kate Macer in ''Film/{{Sicario}}''. She's [[LockedOutOfTheLoop told practically nothing about her mission]] and Matt and Alejandro do pretty everything of actual importance to the plot. This turns out to be because [[spoiler: the CIA is not allowed to operate on American soil except when working with a domestic agency, so literally her only purpose on the team is to be present and allow them to use the loophole]].
23rd Jul '16 8:07:26 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* In ''Film/KickAss'', the titular protagonist seems to have made the overall situation ''worse'' by being there. sure, he ultimately saved the say, but Big Daddy and Hit Girl would likely have beaten the bad guys without him, just a lot sooner and with less blood spilt. (And none of ''his own'' spilt.)
21st Jul '16 4:19:15 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* Luke Skywalker in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. No, seriously. While the movie did have a great deal of CharacterDevelopment for him, he really didn't contribute much to the setting and the overall conflict here. Had he not been there, the movie would have ended much the same way, with the deaths of Palpatine and Darth Vader, and destruction of the Death Star. His actions let his father die a hero, but it's doubtful Luke could have ever convinced anyone of Vader's true hidden depths. (If you read the EU books, he clearly convinced nobody; Anakin Skywalker was forgiven by his son, but Luke was in the minute minority there.)
16th Jul '16 3:04:13 PM Bissek
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* For roughly three quarters of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'', all the party does is try to survive in a world where virtually everybody wants to kill them for being L'Cie, something that was done to them without their consent for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Most of the remaining quarter is their coming to terms with the fact that as L'Cie, they are little more than pawns in a centuries spanning scheme that they have virtually no hope of stopping - even dying to spite TheChessmaster will just delay his plans until he can find a new batch of pawns to run through the same situation. The first thing they do that diverges from the BigBad's plot takes place in the penultimate cutscene.
3rd Jul '16 1:06:46 PM Anddrix
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* A huge criticism of ''Film/JupiterAscending'' was that the lead character is this. WordOfGod is that they wanted a female protagonist who didn't conform to RealWomenNeverWearDresses. Unfortunately, Jupiter is merely swept up into a plot she has no idea of and nothing to do with. Other people help her and rescue her, and she's just along for the ride. She displays no special skills or knowledge to contribute anything. The first thing she does for herself is to agree to marry Titus in exchange for pardoning Cain - which is over an hour into the film.

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* A huge criticism of ''Film/JupiterAscending'' was that the lead character is this. WordOfGod is Jupiter Jones from ''Film/JupiterAscending''. The directors [[WordOfGod have stated]] that they wanted to have a female protagonist who didn't conform to RealWomenNeverWearDresses. Unfortunately, Jupiter is merely swept up into a plot she has no idea of and nothing to do with. Other people help her and rescue her, and she's just along for the ride. She displays no special skills or knowledge to contribute anything. The first thing she does for herself is to agree [[spoiler:agree to marry Titus in exchange for pardoning Cain Caine and Stinger]] - which is over an hour into the film.



* Fans of the NFL, when discussing which quarterback is better than another, tend to fall into two distinct categories. One school believes that a quarterback's statistical achievement determines his greatness. The second cares less about the stats and more about his leadership--the best quarterbacks are the ones who win games and bring home championships, even if their stats don't always impress. When the Baltimore Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2001, it was due almost entirely to a defense of almost legendary repute. Their quarterback that year was Trent Dilfer, who bounced around from team to team his entire career and was never any better than strictly average throughout. He 'won' the Super Bowl that year and was unceremoniously dumped by the team soon after. Because of this, Dilfer embodies the PinballProtagonist trope among NFL fans, and if the topic is ever brought up for any reason, Dilfer's name inevitably follows as an example. ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' even drew attention to this, apologizing to TV viewers on the NFL's behalf for the MVP award not going to linebacker Ray Lewis and flat-out stating: "Trent Dilfer sucks."

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* Fans of the NFL, when discussing which quarterback is better than another, tend to fall into two distinct categories. One school believes that a quarterback's statistical achievement determines his greatness. The second cares less about the stats and more about his leadership--the best quarterbacks are the ones who win games and bring home championships, even if their stats don't always impress. When the Baltimore Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2001, it was due almost entirely to a defense of almost legendary repute. Their quarterback that year was Trent Dilfer, who bounced around from team to team his entire career and was never any better than strictly average throughout. He 'won' the Super Bowl that year and was unceremoniously dumped by the team soon after. Because of this, Dilfer embodies the PinballProtagonist this trope among NFL fans, and if the topic is ever brought up for any reason, Dilfer's name inevitably follows as an example. ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' even drew attention to this, apologizing to TV viewers on the NFL's behalf for the MVP award not going to linebacker Ray Lewis and flat-out stating: "Trent Dilfer sucks."
30th Jun '16 10:51:15 AM longWriter
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** For many players, games with excessive amounts of FollowThePlottedLine, {{Railroading}}, EvilPlan, MissionControl and StopHelpingMe can rob them of all SuspensionOfDisbelief about their and their PlayerCharacter's creativity and initiative, causing them to feel like a complete nonentity even if "their" successful execution of goals make a huge difference in the events of the plot.

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** For many players, games with excessive amounts of FollowThePlottedLine, {{Railroading}}, EvilPlan, MissionControl and StopHelpingMe AnnoyingVideoGameHelper can rob them of all SuspensionOfDisbelief about their and their PlayerCharacter's creativity and initiative, causing them to feel like a complete nonentity even if "their" successful execution of goals make a huge difference in the events of the plot.
22nd Jun '16 11:50:30 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* ''Literature/OliverTwist'': Oliver is a helpless orphan boy who is pushed from one set of circumstances to another without any real power. In fact, his inaction is his greatest triumph, as he never gets corrupted by his ill fortunes.



** [[Literature/OliverTwist The book version]] is no more proactive.

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** [[Literature/OliverTwist The book version]] is no more proactive.
22nd Jun '16 11:45:27 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* ''Film/TheBigLebowski'': The Dude just wants to bowl and smoke weed when his life is interrupted by a case of mistaken identity, resulting in the ruining of his rug. His attempt to obtain a new rug leads him down a twisted path of mystery and intrigue that he ultimately has no control over.

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* ''Film/TheBigLebowski'': The Dude just wants to bowl and smoke weed when his life is interrupted by a case of mistaken identity, resulting in the ruining of his rug. His attempt to obtain a new rug leads him down a twisted path of mystery and intrigue that he ultimately has no control over. The soundtrack likens him to a "tumbling tumbleweed," passively blown around by exterior forces.
6th Jun '16 12:38:46 PM rjung
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The protagonist has spent a significant portion of the story bouncing around the tale like a pinball. He provides no plot impetus in and of himself, and has essentially spent the entire story thus far in a reactive state.

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The protagonist has spent a significant portion of the story bouncing around the tale (figuratively) like a pinball.{{pinball}}. He provides no plot impetus in and of himself, and has essentially spent the entire story thus far in a reactive state.
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